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saxo_vtr_53
26th June 2011, 21:39
what you least favourite car and why?
mine is the BMW X5
i hate it for the simple fact it has no purpose, it cant go off road, its carnt go on road lol, its not all that good looking either, its expensive to run etc, overall just pointless
i hate cars that have no purpose
what cars do you hate?
MiniGibbo
26th June 2011, 21:42
I LOVE the original X5 think it Looks amazing!!
I hate the fiat multipla it makes me want to cry it's so ugly..
bucko1987
26th June 2011, 21:42
i hate nissan micras driven by old people
Prickle
26th June 2011, 21:46
vauxhall astras.
weetz
26th June 2011, 21:48
I hate corsas...no explaination required
barwell1992
26th June 2011, 21:48
mostly dont like cars but hate low spec fiat 500's puke ...
bucko1987
26th June 2011, 21:49
vauxhall astras.
your not a old person are you lol?
Prickle
26th June 2011, 21:51
your not a old person are you lol?
no. :homme:
saxo_vtr_53
26th June 2011, 21:51
I LOVE the original X5 think it Looks amazing!!
I hate the fiat multipla it makes me want to cry it's so ugly..
thats so true i didnt think that, i always think it reminds me of a fat kid wid roles and man boobs, i dunno why, i think im rather wierd for that one lol
saxo_vtr_53
26th June 2011, 21:52
vauxhall astras.
why?....
saxo_vtr_53
26th June 2011, 21:53
I hate corsas...no explaination required
my first car, corsa C 1.3 cdti lol, it got crashed into outside my house and wrote off, so now its saxo VTR time :P
weetz
26th June 2011, 21:55
your not a old person are you lol?
Vauxhall Ashtrays are horrendous
dunno
26th June 2011, 22:28
Errrrrmmmmmmmmmmm would possibly have to be the G-Whiz. Most pointless piece of crap ever made.
Jack
26th June 2011, 22:30
Errrrrmmmmmmmmmmm would possibly have to be the G-Whiz. Most pointless piece of crap ever made.
I agree. Although technically it's classed as a 'quadricycle'.
e8_pqck
26th June 2011, 22:37
guys driving cars that should only be owned by women..
jones91
26th June 2011, 22:41
My least favourite car has got to be a police car because of the simple fact of them always pulling me over and trying to do me for speeding.
TypeRDavid
26th June 2011, 22:45
Anything VAG, Simply the owners who think its cool cause their Jettas got airbags and stupid overpriced replica "Euro" wheels, so itz kool innit proper dank, ya get me do bloodz!, something like that anyway lol.
Mochachino
26th June 2011, 22:47
Any Rover.
Lewis
26th June 2011, 22:48
Original VW beetle. Hate how people think they're cute and friendly, 'love' bugs. In reality it is just the produce of a talented dictator
wadoryu
26th June 2011, 22:48
corsa's they're just shite
-shuggles-
26th June 2011, 22:49
99% of corsa's or those jumped up sneezing bodykitted micra type things
kevin37
26th June 2011, 22:52
i hate nissan micras driven by old people
+1 hate all micras there are rubbish little cars. Mate of mine drives one and the interior is horrible all stupid scratchy plastics that just make it feel cheap and nasty and not somewhere inviting to be either
jonas2112
26th June 2011, 23:08
vw golfs, brother has had 4 including the one he has now, and im sure they was made by a couple clowns for a circus act, build quaity is shit and as for being reliable, the damm things were forever breaking down.
saxo-parts
26th June 2011, 23:20
ssangyong mussos, anything by Kia or Daewoo/Chevrolet(the new ones,not proper Chevs)
Prickle
26th June 2011, 23:21
+1 hate all micras there are rubbish little cars. Mate of mine drives one and the interior is horrible all stupid scratchy plastics that just make it feel cheap and nasty and not somewhere inviting to be either
ohhhhhhhhhh the irony. ;)
Car(s); Citroen Saxo 1.1
Ive had/got both. They are about a plasticy as each other.
saxo_vtr_53
26th June 2011, 23:23
lol i agree micra's are crap!!
i dont see why people hate corsa's so much, there not as good as saxo's obviously but still they aint that bad.
CEdwards
26th June 2011, 23:33
Ford KA's
bucko1987
26th June 2011, 23:47
face it micra's are crap end of even the new shape so ugly
Prickle
26th June 2011, 23:53
face it micra's are crap end of even the new shape so ugly
any after the k11 are shit. ;)
bucko1987
27th June 2011, 00:00
any after the k11 are shit. ;)
yours is ok tho john ;) old people make them worse doin 5mph everywer and swerving at you on motorways etc they dont even no they doing it untill you blast your horn lol
Prickle
27th June 2011, 00:03
Awwh cheers. :sweetheart: i know you're joking XD
Agree matey, some right old nuggets in them, like coming out of roundabouts @ 10mph.
bucko1987
27th June 2011, 00:07
Awwh cheers. :sweetheart: i know you're joking XD
Agree matey, some right old nuggets in them, like coming out of roundabouts @ 10mph.
yeh deffo i had some old bloke behind me in a micra and i stopped at the traffic lights because they went to red and he beeped me because i stopped :wacko:
bucko1987
27th June 2011, 00:08
i think thats why i dont like them lol
VTR_Bass87
27th June 2011, 00:29
Daewoo matiz and fiat cheekquento, mistake them for shopping trollies at tesco.
TomBob
27th June 2011, 00:32
Daihatsu Move
http://fr.academic.ru/pictures/frwiki/68/Daihatsu_Move_1995.jpg
LSOfreak
27th June 2011, 01:31
Anything VAG, Simply the owners who think its cool cause their Jettas got airbags and stupid overpriced replica "Euro" wheels, so itz kool innit proper dank, ya get me do bloodz!, something like that anyway lol.
anyone with a vag thinks its the best car in the world and it wont break 'cos its vag'
rob_s
27th June 2011, 01:35
anyone with a vag thinks its the best car in the world and it wont break 'cos its vag'
Same! My mk4 golf was a bigger pos than any of my 106's and saxes only had it 3 mnth then sold it needing a new inlet Manifold, piston rings on way out/oil pressure problem
Was a w reg at time newest thing I had owned! And was only on 80k witch is low for one
Jay_T87
27th June 2011, 04:04
Volvo 240... Theres always one that tootles along at 35 in a 60 zone.. Hurry the fuck up:wall:
kclipston
27th June 2011, 04:38
I really dislike the nissan juke because for a modern car they are ugly!
Theres always one that drives around my block, just drives around and around... i'm guessing he's a dealer or something? or has dementia...
joe333
27th June 2011, 05:17
The old ka!
Phils_VTR
27th June 2011, 05:22
vw golfs, brother has had 4 including the one he has now, and im sure they was made by a couple clowns for a circus act, build quaity is shit and as for being reliable, the damm things were forever breaking down.
I own a 25 year old Golf, the build quality is 10x better than that of my 2000 plate Saxo.
Non-reliable? Are you kidding? That made me chuckle, that comment is invalid as you own a Saxo. VW have the best engines, I'm not one of them over the top fagboy fanboys but seriously.
Phils_VTR
27th June 2011, 05:26
I hate Corsa Bs and Multiplas.
Corsa Bs are the ugliest cheapest shit wagons, so fucking dirty and shit. I'll have someone be like 'yeeaaah but redtop n ting' ... I saw a soft top Corsa B yesturday first time ever, and seriously wtf is that?! I'm happier now that I blinded myself by driving a stanley blade into my pupils and letting the blood, puss and brown mucas shit pour out so that I never see one again. I may have looked like I was crying whilst doing it ut I assure you they were tears of joy.
W103_A5H
27th June 2011, 05:30
fiat mulipla, seriously..who designed such a terrible looking car?
http://vehiclez.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/800px-fiat_multipla_front_20080825.jpg
Phils_VTR
27th June 2011, 05:46
fiat mulipla, seriously..who designed such a terrible looking car?
http://vehiclez.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/800px-fiat_multipla_front_20080825.jpg
Reminds me of that Simpsons episode where Homer designs that car and everyones just like... :|
Gary-VTR
27th June 2011, 06:23
Anything VAG again. Can't stand the unjustified hype that surrounds them - especially old Golfs and their 20vt engine. &Only reliable because up until 2008 most old VWs were owned by the over 40s.
Nik_L
27th June 2011, 07:04
Are we talking from experience or just by what we hear on the interweb??
From experience,i can safely say i hate Saxo's.Although i do appreciate a nice clean,standard,VTR/S to look at.
As for hating Corsa's,isn't that just standard practice for Saxo drivers/forum members??Mostly folk with fuk all experience of them.
Nik_L
27th June 2011, 07:08
As for reliabilty.Any car can be reliable,but only if its looked after.And as with VW's,they have theyr issue's too.
jonas2112
27th June 2011, 07:26
phils_vtr, aint trying too kid anyone im just saying what i see, just because they have a vw badge dont make a golf reliable, at the end of the day there just a very average car with a expensive badge.
Packham
27th June 2011, 11:12
most vauxhalls especially the previous generation to what's out now
the_mighty_booosh
27th June 2011, 11:26
Fiesta's, just because their wank
kevin37
27th June 2011, 11:31
ohhhhhhhhhh the irony. ;)
Car(s); Citroen Saxo 1.1
Ive had/got both. They are about a plasticy as each other.
Yeh I'm not saying mine isn't but his is alot newer than mine and meant to be top of the range interior and it feels as nasty as mine does
LSOfreak
27th June 2011, 20:56
anyone with a vag thinks its the best car in the world and it wont break 'cos its vag'
I own a 25 year old Golf, the build quality is 10x better than that of my 2000 plate Saxo.
Non-reliable? Are you kidding? That made me chuckle, that comment is invalid as you own a Saxo. VW have the best engines, I'm not one of them over the top fagboy fanboys but seriously.
exactly my point
my friend owns a mk2 golf rallye, it rattles more on the inside than my mk1 saxo. French cars are often slated for being unreliable but my friends with german cars seem to have just as many if not more expensive problems
Stissy
29th June 2011, 11:21
Anything VAG again. Can't stand the unjustified hype that surrounds them - especially old Golfs and their 20vt engine. &Only reliable because up until 2008 most old VWs were owned by the over 40s.
aww man, quit laying into vag :(
i love the 20vt engine, and i love vag cars.
my least favourite car on the other hand is the corsa b...
Viper
29th June 2011, 11:27
Original VW Beetle and old Golfs
Sean_VTR
29th June 2011, 11:27
Anything boring and pointless, Seat Leon's etc, Astra's without a doubt!
Gary-VTR
29th June 2011, 11:32
aww man, quit laying into vag :(
i love the 20vt engine, and i love vag cars.
my least favourite car on the other hand is the corsa b...
Hahah I'm just jel I don't have boost anymore! :hug:
maddison_vts
29th June 2011, 11:57
glanza's. micra with a body kit, not fast and they all need crushing.
civics (especially the ep3 type r, I seriously f*cking hate them.)
any vw between 96 and 2006. The whole 'lowered with a bonnet bra and the same wheels that every other v dub bummer has is getting a tad lame.
4x4 chelsea chariots, I hate these. (range rovers, x5's, q7's etc) not defenders as they are for a purpose
Subaru impreza's. Don't dislike the cars as they good cars, I dislike the owners that normally have a shaved head and wear a subaru branded t-shirt, hat, jacket then they put a scooby doo teddy on the parcel shelf etc it's just f*cking sad.
Corsa's. These are just a woeful car in general. don't go well, handle like the titanic and people rave about the new vxr and tbh even that sucks.
Most vauxhalls. I just think they suck.
I could go on for ages. Tbh, with the above cars I think its more the typical owners of them I dislike not so much the cars.
Giraffe
29th June 2011, 12:04
I've never given it any thought, never needed to. Cars are cars. Other than that, I can safely say that this thread is full of shit.
craig180
29th June 2011, 12:05
Anything VAG, Simply the owners who think its cool cause their Jettas got airbags and stupid overpriced replica "Euro" wheels, so itz kool innit proper dank, ya get me do bloodz!, something like that anyway lol.
Don't tar us all with the same brush ;)
I bought my vRS because it's a good all rounder, with little compromise for my needs :A:
Although I see where you're coming from with the VAG scene, you could say the same about the French car and the Japseye scene ;)
0rang3peel
29th June 2011, 12:10
phils_vtr, aint trying too kid anyone im just saying what i see, just because they have a vw badge dont make a golf reliable, at the end of the day there just a very average car with a expensive badge.
Average car maybe but they are proven to be reliable... how many saxos do you know of with 244k on the clock?
Not one I doubt but my 26 year old golf has that on & is still going strong...
as for worst car, without a doubt for me it's the multipla.
maddison_vts
29th June 2011, 12:11
Japseye scene ;)
The jap scene is pretty retarded tbh, all the 'scenes' are pretty similar. Just a bunch of bummers with tunnel vision.
One thing I do like about the jap scene is when driving my s14 is if I drive past another 14, s body, skyline etc I get a friendly thumbs up. When I drive the saxo and I see another saxo, I get a spotty teenager giving me evils.
0rang3peel
29th June 2011, 12:12
One thing I do like about the jap scene is when driving my s14 is if I drive past another 14, s body, skyline etc I get a friendly thumbs up. When I drive the saxo and I see another saxo, I get a spotty teenager giving me evils.
Exactly this, applies for the VW scene aswel.
I broke down in my golf, wheel nuts weren't done up tight enough and sheered off.. complete nightmare
another dub owner came past and helped me right out.
If it was in a saxo I would of been spat on/pissed on and probably my car burnt out when I went off to buy some new nuts lol
N80Jamie
29th June 2011, 12:31
Saxos.
Jonny52002
29th June 2011, 12:55
An '05 Renault Clio 1.5 dCi, was the biggest pile of shit I ever owned and cost me a whole lot of money when I bought it to save money, hate that car and ruined Renault's for me, absolute pile of wank.
outrage_uk
29th June 2011, 13:19
I hate anything new that looks like a cross between a bubble and a shoe box - but everyone thinks they're cool because they have Sport or S in their name (Ford Tiesto's, Focus's, Meganes, new Corsa's, Clios) . So any new car really.
I like the angry looking scene of 2000-2002.
I hate Micra's, but I think that's more the twatty old drivers that knock people off of motorbikes because they can't pull around a parked car, without going completely over the other side of the road..
Other than that, Multipla's, G-Whiz, Starlets and S13's (other than sileighty's)
CHIP
29th June 2011, 14:27
I'm glad some folk's think the same as me regard's VW's. They aren't all that well built anymore. The old stuff is that old it can't help but rattle nowadays. And they aren't as reliable as folk make out at all. My dad's garage has so much german car's in you'd think it's all they do!
Regard's the scene's both the Jap scene and Dub scene is rather retarded. I hate how up a scene's arse some people can be, ruins it in my eye's.
Probably what i like about the French scene tbh... The fact there isn't much of one. It's just people who like car's.
Worst car... I'm going to have to ponder on that one.
maddison_vts
29th June 2011, 14:28
I hate Micra's, but I think that's more the twatty old drivers that knock people off of motorbikes because they can't pull around a parked car, without going completely over the other side of the road..
Other than that, Multipla's, G-Whiz, Starlets and S13's (other than sileighty's)
how can you dislike s13's but not sileighty's?:geek:
how can you dislike s13's but not sileighty's?:geek:
Don't like the front end of S13's, looks sooo much better as a sileighty.
Mochachino
29th June 2011, 14:39
The jap scene is pretty retarded tbh, all the 'scenes' are pretty similar. Just a bunch of bummers with tunnel vision.
One thing I do like about the jap scene is when driving my s14 is if I drive past another 14, s body, skyline etc I get a friendly thumbs up. When I drive the saxo and I see another saxo, I get a spotty teenager giving me evils.
Saxo Scene - Rev of the engine or bwaarrrp BANG or race at the traffic lights type of acknoledgment.
I like the car I drive, get acknoledgement of alsorts of people, quite a few oldies too. Had an executive guy in a BM estate nod at me as he over took me on the motorway. Middle aged guy in an evo 9 beep and wave, and countless others in just one weekend. Loving it!
maddison_vts
29th June 2011, 14:41
Don't like the front end of S13's, looks sooo much better as a sileighty.
thats a fair point, the s13 kind of looks like a ford probe, the later models of the s13 are nice though
Giraffe
29th June 2011, 14:42
Saxo Scene - Rev of the engine or bwaarrrp BANG or race at the traffic lights type of acknoledgment.
I like the car I drive, get acknoledgement of alsorts of people, quite a few oldies too. Had an executive guy in a BM estate nod at me as he over took me on the motorway. Middle aged guy in an evo 9 beep and wave, and countless others in just one weekend. Loving it!
You driving the 330 still? Surprises me that anyone would acknowledge you in one of them, BM's aren't exactly uncommon...
Hatcha
29th June 2011, 14:42
Corsa C's.
Gary-VTR
29th June 2011, 14:44
Saxo Scene - Rev of the engine or bwaarrrp BANG or race at the traffic lights type of acknoledgment.
Speaking of which.. that seems to be the latest thing with turbo'd cars.
Literally every time I drive past one lately they lift off, so I can hear they've got a mad sik dump valve. Even had a fackin VW Transporter do it the other day. :geek:
gaz4399
29th June 2011, 14:45
Are we talking from experience or just by what we hear on the interweb??
From experience,i can safely say i hate Saxo's.Although i do appreciate a nice clean,standard,VTR/S to look at.
As for hating Corsa's,isn't that just standard practice for Saxo drivers/forum members??Mostly folk with fuk all experience of them.
i completely agree with this, corsas are better built than saxos tbh they dont handle as well out of the box but are far more comfortable for everyday use. (ive owned two corsas and two saxos in the past and driven many at work btw)
Mochachino
29th June 2011, 14:46
You driving the 330 still? Surprises me that anyone would acknowledge you in one of them, BM's aren't exactly uncommon...
Nah got a teg now!
Speaking of which.. that seems to be the latest thing with turbo'd cars.
Literally every time I drive past one lately they lift off, so I can hear they've got a mad sik dump valve. Even had a fackin VW Transporter do it the other day. :geek:
HA I noticed this
Ryan
29th June 2011, 14:49
Any Honda.
Why because I don't like the styling on almost all of them and think vtec is way way over rated.
Mochachino
29th June 2011, 14:51
Any Honda.
Why because I don't like the styling on almost all of them and think vtec is way way over rated.
You just had to post that after Iposted didnt you ;)
Ryan
29th June 2011, 14:54
You just had to post that after Iposted didnt you ;)
Only just saw the thread lol....
It's been a few days has vtec kicked in y0.
badwool
29th June 2011, 14:58
Any Rover.
+1 /6char
Mochachino
29th June 2011, 14:58
Its kicked in a few times, made me cry with fright :(
kev250
29th June 2011, 23:00
Least favourite car would be an old boxy civic
avard22
30th June 2011, 07:58
Ford KA
Ryan-S
30th June 2011, 08:02
chrysler pt cruiser!!
eurgh :n:
johnny86
30th June 2011, 10:12
Smart car, old beetles, new beetles..
Why all the hate for corsa bs? There not that bad
hellonpluto
30th June 2011, 10:22
Saxo / 106
Lacey_106
30th June 2011, 10:38
Are we still on topic?
Fiat miximatosis
http://www.travellerspoint.com/photos/96207/multipla.jpg
Rat car - particularly in pink
http://www.ssrfanatic.com/forum/attachments/f5/48587d1208310585-towing-car-ssr-smart-boys.jpg
Don't need to explain this one:
http://www.g-wiz.org.uk/gallery/dscn1495.jpg
If you are interested there is an owners club ;) g-wiz owners club (http://www.g-wiz.org.uk/information-electric-car.html)
Chrysler PT cruiser. FUCKING HATE this car. Pretentious cunts drive them and they look like a disgusting cockroach.
spudders
30th June 2011, 10:39
enything made in germany especially beemers bought by arseholes driven like arseholes look like shit.... then followed buy that is enything vauxhall....
Stissy
30th June 2011, 11:06
Speaking of which.. that seems to be the latest thing with turbo'd cars.
Literally every time I drive past one lately they lift off, so I can hear they've got a mad sik dump valve. Even had a fackin VW Transporter do it the other day. :geek:
...aww man i'm guilty of this every once in a while
Saxovch22
30th June 2011, 11:29
http://automodified.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Corsa-B-Opel.jpg
http://static.cargurus.com/images/site/2008/06/06/11/21/2001_rover_25-pic-14610.jpeg
TOM-DL
30th June 2011, 11:46
all vauxhalls.
adjy90
30th June 2011, 11:55
fiat chincochento
http://images02.mundoanuncio.com/ui/2/68/53/l-1165526553-02.jpg
skitts
30th June 2011, 22:52
fiat chincochento
http://images02.mundoanuncio.com/ui/2/68/53/l-1165526553-02.jpg
+ 1 :afro:
Chimaira
30th June 2011, 23:02
http://photos.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_430/car_photo_215325_7.jpg
piranhamatt
1st July 2011, 00:44
Are we still on topic?
Fiat miximatosis
http://www.travellerspoint.com/photos/96207/multipla.jpg
Rat car - particularly in pink
http://www.ssrfanatic.com/forum/attachments/f5/48587d1208310585-towing-car-ssr-smart-boys.jpg
Don't need to explain this one:
http://www.g-wiz.org.uk/gallery/dscn1495.jpg
If you are interested there is an owners club ;) g-wiz owners club (http://www.g-wiz.org.uk/information-electric-car.html)
Chrysler PT cruiser. FUCKING HATE this car. Pretentious cunts drive them and they look like a disgusting cockroach.
You see for the g.wiz forum, every modification in the mod section is like changing lights or battery. Whoa
stevie_m
1st July 2011, 20:27
Anything with a BMW badge, just hate everything about them
MiniGibbo
1st July 2011, 20:44
Anything with a BMW badge, just hate everything about them
Lol :homme:
GolfJay
1st July 2011, 22:00
Anything VAG, Simply the owners who think its cool cause their Jettas got airbags and stupid overpriced replica "Euro" wheels, so itz kool innit proper dank, ya get me do bloodz!, something like that anyway lol.
Funny, most VW's with just 'bags will have had more cash put into them than the majority of Saxos on here.
And as for the stupid "chav" speak, isn't the Saxo THE most reputable car with chavs? Admittedly Sax-p doesn't seem like that but that is the general thought.
And last of all, replica wheels? I bet 90% of the "replicas" out there are real. BBS and Schmits, the VW boys don't want fakes, they want the real thing.
Idiot post. There's a reason VW's have such a cult following and that is quality.
The 1007. An overpriced, useless mechanical zimmer frame.
http://foto.autozone.be/fotosauto/PEU/web450x300/Peugeot-1007_10380582.jpg
I mean, if it was something like a perodua or Dacia, then it would be excusable because thats what you'd expect it to look like. But a company like Peugeot should know better.
Packham
1st July 2011, 23:27
If you are interested there is an owners club ;) g-wiz owners club (http://www.g-wiz.org.uk/information-electric-car.html)
:panic: the web design is amazing saxp should be like this.
http://automodified.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Corsa-B-Opel.jpg
I think that's actually not bad, I've just got I'm front the pub though :geek:
Saxovch22
2nd July 2011, 00:18
I think that's actually not bad, I've just got I'm front the pub though :geek:
its awful, never liked them and never will.
also i forgot to add
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/24/Daewoo_Matiz.jpg/250px-Daewoo_Matiz.jpg
and LOLworthy Daewoo Lanos
http://www.designercars.net/biler/Daewoo-Lanos-6.jpg
Lacey_106
2nd July 2011, 08:14
Oh I have to add this in...
I have an unnatural hatred for this car.
http://gallery.mg-rover.org/data/502/medium/59211999_Rover_BRM_LE.JPG
MiniGibbo
2nd July 2011, 08:29
BRM's are good cars despite the looks.
Viper
2nd July 2011, 09:06
Lace, is the hatred all 25s or just the model with the orange grill?
TypeRDavid
2nd July 2011, 09:10
Funny, most VW's with just 'bags will have had more cash put into them than the majority of Saxos on here.
And as for the stupid "chav" speak, isn't the Saxo THE most reputable car with chavs? Admittedly Sax-p doesn't seem like that but that is the general thought.
And last of all, replica wheels? I bet 90% of the "replicas" out there are real. BBS and Schmits, the VW boys don't want fakes, they want the real thing.
Idiot post. There's a reason VW's have such a cult following and that is quality.
You just bought a Golf or something? as you seem to be on the defensive lol, would rather own something that was unique and not following the crowd with my stupid Dubway stickers and ronal turbos.
Lacey_106
2nd July 2011, 09:17
Lace, is the hatred all 25s or just the model with the orange grill?
I dislike all 25s. But I reserve a special hatred for that orange grill one.
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