VibraTechnic Engine mounts

[MR_N]

Right people,

Engine mounts are next on the cards for the little saxo. But im still unsure on which to buy.

I was pretty sure on buying the competition mounts but not sure now wether to get fast road ones or not.

The car is no daily, gets used once a week (if that) for a little b road blast. Plans are to make it more performance orientated and do alot more track days over the coming year or so.
Given my limited use with the car is it ok to get the competition mounts or am i asking for more trouble than they are worth in stuff liable to break?

Also i have a group a lower fork bush that i haven't fitted yet. Is it worth fitting it? ,as i have heard that vibrations are mad and they can lead to gearbox breakages.

Thanks for the help, sorry if its been asked a million times before.



Sam

[Mochachino]

I would get the cheapest solid rubber mounts. BakerBM lower GrpN and I think they do gearbox upper mount too.then Vibratechnics ECU mount.

GrpA lower fork bush is tiny, it dosent break the gearbox or anything. Think the rumours you have hear maybe the lower mount. One thing I would consider doing if using solid mounts would be seam weld the mounting plate the lower fork bolts too as apparently they can rip off. I had GrpA solid lower mount and fork bush and never had a problem though in thousands of miles.

[MR_N]

So you think a mix of baker and vibra?
We taking competition mounts then?

[Mochachino]

Thats how Ive always done it. The quality of the BakerBM is good enough and durable enough to not warrent spending more on the vibratechnics imo. The Vibratechnic ones look better, but how often you going to see them?

Ive had a mix of bakerbm mounts before and always been good.

Hard Rubber upper and solid lower is how I like it.

[MR_N]

thanks buddy.
Any other opinions

[jpsaxo]

I've always wondered what people rate and what they don't...

I'm currently running a group A bottom mount and group N on the 2 top engine mounts and like them, feels solid but the vibrations aren't too bad :)

[axsaxoman]

I qwould suggest complete set of vibra technics --all 3-- £177.57 inc vat
instock both road + competition types
unless its an out and out rally car go for road type is my advice

[mangojace]

Im using the competition vibra mount and doesnt feel to bad at all!A few vibrations but not to bad!

[AndySAXO]

I use the vibra tech competion mounts..... For every day I think I would get annoyed with the vibration.

But they are very good, they have no movement in them.

[mangojace]

I use the vibra tech competion mounts..... For every day I think I would get annoyed with the vibration.

But they are very good, they have no movement in them.

Not really mate.My cars all stripped out,no carpet,speakers etc! And yeah it vibrates but its easy to live with :p

[jpsaxo]

I qwould suggest complete set of vibra technics --all 3-- £177.57 inc vat
instock both road + competition types
unless its an out and out rally car go for road type is my advice

Over the pug sport stuff? Any reason John?

[mangojace]

mate has pugsport engine mounts and there good too!

[AndySAXO]

They are all good.... The group a pug sport that Alex is using are good but give of more vibration.

But again as a daily, and the fact the group a competion mounts are very stiff which add stress to other weak points on the chassis wouldn't use it every day.

[jpsaxo]

They are all good.... The group a pug sport that Alex is using are good but give of more vibration.

But again as a daily, and the fact the group a competion mounts are very stiff which add stress to other weak points on the chassis wouldn't use it every day.

I think Alex is using the same set up as me, how did mine and his compare to the vibratechnics?

[AndySAXO]

Well didnt really feel what your was like as I was only in it round the ring and not thing I was thinking about lol

But group a compare to vibra tech ones is different I think that the group a ones use the metal buffers that want give that extra little vibration I think.

I wouldn't think there much between the mounts.

But vibra tech do look different in a good IMO.... I got mine because I got a good deal.

[AndySAXO]

And the fact vibra tech are not as expensive maybe that what will swing it most times.

[mangojace]

Mine vibra technics didnt come with buffers!They wont be available till august :/

[MR_N]

Thanks for all the info guys, after speaking to a few people im going to go for the fast road vibra technics as i dont wanna cause any stress on other parts too much if i use it a bit more in the future. Feel free to keep this topic open and active to help others

[AndySAXO]

Dnt need the buffers work fine without.

The buffers on the group A ones give more vibration abd noise.

I like mine hold the engine very well, my engine never moves, very positive.

But remember with really stiff mounts the chassis will take the extra stress

[adamskiTNR]

bear in mind that a higher compression engine will induce far sharper resonance vibrations into the mounts and chassis. so on solid mounts they will tend to do more damage than engines on lower compression.

[vtr_chris90]

Iirc the difference between group a and group n Peugeot sport mounts is just the lower mount being alloy on the group a's and hard rubber on group n's and with the group a kit you also get a fork bush aswell I've not seen one with the group a kit

i have driven with the vibratechnics fast road mounts and the Peugeot sport group n mounts
when i had the vibratechnics fast road upper mounts fitted, i had a Peugeot sport group n lower, and the vibrations were minimal tbh im pretty sure there wasnt much more than a powerflex causes, but yet it felt so much better than a powerflex lowr and standard uppers, it drove great and was still nice on long journeys and i drove the car 5-6 days a week doing roughly 300 miles over 1 and a half weeks and it was very tolerable, and felt really solid still
i then thught id try a peugeot sport group a lower since it was kocking around in the garage with the spoox uppers still, and vbrations ddnt increase much and felt even more solid still was vry tolerable

i then had the peugeot sport uppers and group n lower, as i got them ata great price from a mate and thought id try them as i sold my vibratechnics ones for the same money so broke even really too
now with the peugeot sport group n set, i actually have alot more vibration than i even did with the group a lower and vibratechnics uppers lol, but I don't think it felt much different If any from the vibratechnics uppers and group a lower
i only drove my car twice maybe 3 times a week anyway and roughly 300miles in a month maybe, so i didnt mind the extra vibration and noise i think if it was a daily i may get a bit sick of it, plus the omp inox exhaust isnt exactly what you call quiet either lol

But Also with the design of the vibratechnics, you don't need buffers at all

I've been to their site and had a few tests done on the mounts too, they also explained alot to me which is very helpful.

Their mounts are designed to have minimal movement backwards forwards and side to side, but they have a rubber buffer there which allows movement up and down only about 2-3mm but it's this movement that helps prevent the vibration but still keep the solidness.
Where as the Peugeot sport ones are just hard rubber, so not as much up n down movement which there tests proved, which is why the Peugeot sport ones vibrate more, but the vibratechnics had less movement backwards and forwards
The vibratechnics lower mount was also stiffer than the Peugeot sport group n lower.

Oh and forgot to say don't mix and match mounts I.e bakerbm upper gearbox side an vibratechnics ecu side, I did this and found out the hard way, I had it on the rollers at the time and I noticed the engine was twisting, there was a he'll of a lot less movement ecu side compared to gearbox side, I also had a knocking noise too low down when I let off (it probably happened higher in the revs too but couldn't here it) and when changing gear, so I changed it to a matching fast road vibratechnics one and all clunking went, I was also back on the rollers a couple weeks later changing cam timing again and there was no movement gearbox side this time :)

That's my bit anyway lol.

Sorry it's an essay haha

[AndySAXO]

i think the group A ones do use abit stiff rubber than the group N ones.

but that a very good write up, i really like my competion vibra tech ones.

but really all will be very good.

[vtr_chris90]

Ahh right, I didn't know what if they do.
Still I suppose the problem with Peugeot sport items now is the fast they are costing well over £200 either way, isn't it touching near £250 for group a?
And vibratechnics will do just as good a job if not better imo, and a bit selling point is the lack of vibration compared to the pugsport mounts

I agree though mate, I'm happy with my fast road ones, I'd say they are perfect for some one who will still be using daily, and wants to do a couple track days here and there.

[mangojace]

I have the competition one which is probably just as good as the group n pugsport if not better? But cheaper price

[vtr_chris90]

I'd say they were better mate
I'd also go as far as saying the fast Road ones were just as good as the Peugeot sport group n's tbh (in my opinion)

Its the design that makes them different, like I said in the other post, theyre designed to have maximum rigidity and minimal vibration, which is exactly what they do
Since I honestly could barely tell the difference between the group n and fast road vibratechnics apart from the massive difference in lack of vibration with the vibratechnics.

[AndySAXO]

Competion ones are more group A mount spec. The fast road the group n spec ones.

[jpsaxo]

Excellent post there Chris :) the group A bottom mount is solid metal pressed into the cradle with a small rubber bush around the bolt.

[AlexB]

Im rocking group A pugsports

Couldnt give a crap about vibrations but even with the rattly french plastics tbh there not that bad not even the misses minds
There pretty stiff tbh (basic test of grabbing the exhaust mani and giving the motor a good shake proved there a lot harder than standards) watching on rollers my motor doesnt move in the bay and shifts are a lot nicer as the box isnt moving around misaligning the linkages

All in id reccomend them

[jpsaxo]

I'm assuming your still rocking one of the sets I got direct from pug sport France Alex? Love mine as well. Vibrations arent anything more than you would expect from a car with a cage, hard suspension etc in it, and holds the engine nice and firm as well :)

[AlexB]

Yea josh i am
kept them and my 4pots across most of the cars ive had haha

[AndySAXO]

Never said it was a bad thing but the vibration vs the vibra tech ones is noticeable different between what mine sound like and what yours sound like.

[Olly]

The competition ones i have, i couldnt see why anyone would go for fast road... Theres hardly any vibrations, yet zero engibe movement.

[MR_N]

Im probably going for fast road ones tbh. Car will see track but not yet and dont want to and stress elsewhere on the car

[jpsaxo]

The competition ones i have, i couldnt see why anyone would go for fast road... Theres hardly any vibrations, yet zero engibe movement.

Pugsport of vibratechnics Olly?

Mr_n - if I was you, choose your spec now and keep to it, nothing worse than getting all the stuff you want, using it once, then having to change half the stuff again for the desired feel.

Andy - are you using the vibratechnics competition ones?

[MR_N]

Thanks JP. Sticking to the fast road ones i think.

[AlexB]

Never said it was a bad thing but the vibration vs the vibra tech ones is noticeable different between what mine sound like and what yours sound like.

Mine sounds bad because of rattly plastics as ive got full interior

[lwigmore]

Mine sounds bad because of rattly plastics as ive got full interior

Same with mine but it's my sunroof that vibrates. i've got pugsport group N engine mounts

[AndySAXO]

Josh I have competions one think Olly's are the same both competion ones.

Yer I ent used the fast road ones from vibra tech but competion ones I can have the sitting there rev the engine hard and just no movement.

Alex don't blame that :p get ride of all that shit!! :D

[AlexB]

Its my daily so no!

[AndySAXO]

Don't think there be much different between all the engine mounts.

All be good.... I like the look of the vibra tech ones different.

Not a fan of what the bm baker look like... Not try them but sure they will do the job.

[jpsaxo]

The vibre tech ones sound best all over tbh, but if you already have the group n stuff then I don't think it's really worth changing them

[AndySAXO]

Yer I have vibra tech ones got them at a good price I paid the same as one for the set :D

[Fulch]

I qwould suggest complete set of vibra technics --all 3-- £177.57 inc vat
instock both road + competition types
unless its an out and out rally car go for road type is my advice

I'm gonna be cheeky and bump this.

My ECU mount has broke and so I'm just gonna replace all and might as well upgrade at the same time. I have read through the whole thread so there are so many mixed reviews.

From searching over the net I have found these results and would like opinions.

AxSaxoMan can do a kit of Vibra for £177.57 inc Vat (both road and compo)

Demons only do Vibra (all seperate) but combined its £183.30 inc P&P and VAT on Road use ones and then £190.48 (2 compo and the lower as road) inc VAT and P&P

BakerBM site does there our Grp N as a kit for £158.40

I cant really find anything else but what I'm stuck with is what brand I should get and whether I shoud get Grp N or A.

Its a daily runner but I do about 3/4 track days a year and hoping to up this to 6/7 during 2012.

Roll on the comments :)

[mangojace]

Get the competition vibratechnics ones mate, better than the road ones imo!I use my car daily its fine!

[MR_N]

After all this i have bought a pugsport Grp n fork bush and think ill buy the fast road vibra ones for the other three. Dont want to put soo much stress on other parts. Cant help thinking that i could of bought the competition ones tho =/

[mangojace]

The competition ones are fine for road use,i do 30,000 miles a year and use it as a daily.No problems!

[MR_N]

Sorry bud, ive taken everything into consideration and bought the fast road ones now. Thanks to everyone for their support though.

[Fulch]

Sorry bud, ive taken everything into consideration and bought the fast road ones now. Thanks to everyone for their support though.

Fitted yet?

[vtr_chris90]

Sorry bud, ive taken everything into consideration and bought the fast road ones now. Thanks to everyone for their support though.

You won't be disappointed with the fast road ones mate :)

They are still a very good improvement, and as I mentioned in my post I foun the fast road ones to be just as stiff as the pugsport group n's which are plenty stiff enough but you don't get as much vibration so it's a win win really.

[MR_N]

Fitted yet?

Nope they are in le post at the mo

You won't be disappointed with the fast road ones mate :)

They are still a very good improvement, and as I mentioned in my post I foun the fast road ones to be just as stiff as the pugsport group n's which are plenty stiff enough but you don't get as much vibration so it's a win win really.

Thanks mate, i think i made the right decision for my requirements.