Moxy's VTS... Project ENDED...

[moxy89]

Right Ive been saying for so long i wanted to build a epic little saxo, and today i started it. Cut it short i want the car to have around 230bhp + and be used as a fast road track focused car.

The Spec.
Engine.
Ran 126.6bhp with just a 421 manifold (raceland)
Piper Full system with piper decat
Group N engine mounts (all of them)
Green Panel filter

Suspension
Lowered 40mm
Spax Psx on the front, being changed asap
B8's on the rears
Pro race 1.2 to be in satin black

Interior
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm :y:

And all of this is happening due to this bad boy, my new daily..
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm76/saxoll/DSC00248.jpg

Great comfy car 2.0 16v, so slow compared to the VTS but still, nice car for FREE!!!

Now the the project begun today.

General photos.

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Then today.. After many hours with still many more to even get it anywhere near and mucho money to be spent on her to get it to my standards. I was going to get a M3 however moving out next year so my M3 fund is now my house fund. So the project begins..

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm76/saxoll/DSC00249.jpg

How it started
http://s293.photobucket.com/albums/mm76/saxoll/?action=view&current=DSC00254.jpg

then the lightness begun.

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Problem 1.

I want to remove the airbag wire from under my seats. removing this box will do this correct ??? Any information please post!!!

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm76/saxoll/DSC00259.jpg
how she lays for now, working on it all night and tomorrow but then cleaning the daily.

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[mlawlan69]

it looks so tidy why are you making it into a track car :(

could have bought an old banged up S and started from there

[lee_saxo]

so what's your plans to extract the other 100ponies your wanting from the engine ?

[Saxovch22]

Didn't you make a thread for an AX
You've had like 4 progress threads and for sale threads for this car lol
Talk about changing your mind lol

[moxy89]

i was going to break it for parts however its to tidy... i was going to convert a AX but my shell it to tidy for the scrap yard.

Next on the list is a

LSD s2 rallye gearbox
other ponies will be coming from a turbo

[Eskimo]

You can remove the airbag box, it won't cause any problems, I've done mine.

[moxy89]

thanks mate, two sebrings to be fitted once the interior is sprayed, the bank hates me.

[mangojace]

Really looking forward to this,let me know what trackday you do and ill come on track too :)

[bod_bod]

wow about time, loving the chav daily aswell :)

[JRC1]

I've never, ever, ever, ever, ever known anyone to change their mind so much about a car haha! I'm sure you've had about 3 different for sale threads, 4 different progress threads and about 5 different what car threads this year alone! :p Please actually do what you've said in post one and turn it into an absolute beast rather than make another thread next week saying your breaking it again! :homme:

What management are you gunna be using cos Andy is close with getting the 3 plug running now isn't he? Ideal that he's right near us like :y:

[bod_bod]

I've never, ever, ever, ever, ever known anyone to change their mind so much about a car haha! I'm sure you've had about 3 different for sale threads, 4 different progress threads and about 5 different what car threads this year alone! :p Please actually do what you've said in post one and turn it into an absolute beast rather than make another thread next week saying your breaking it again! :homme:

What management are you gunna be using cos Andy is close with getting the 3 plug running now isn't he? Ideal that he's right near us like :y:

there done mate, he want 2 run a tester ecu on mine but as im up for sale i said no no! u camming?

[JRC1]

there done mate, he want 2 run a tester ecu on mine but as im up for sale i said no no! u camming?

Tempting but i'll probs wait for a few to buy and use first, in case there are issues to begin with etc! Definitely tempting though seeing as he's in Soton!

[J222JRA]

If you change your mind again im banning you/

[moxy89]

andy was round mine earlier... i will be buying a predator... and james your ban finger must nearly be worn out lol..

and the daily is like that out of the factory not chavvy at all imsucher kit or something only made them in 1999

[moxy89]

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm76/saxoll/IMG_0010.jpg

cheeky hopefully all goes well and i have one!!!

[chinabluegti]

this looks awesome, I don't think P 1.2's will ever get old.

[raunchz]

How was the Predator? Go out for a drive with it?

The board looks tiny !

[moxy89]

No didnt take it out, getting it sorted again sunday.. so hopefully a S1box this weekend

[raunchz]

Your car should feel bloody quick when mapped up on the Predator, then can easily go bodies or boost!!

Would just need to bolt some bodies on ;)

[moxy89]

get down here then, and im going boost mate, Na for da gay manz

[moxy89]

Right spent a fair bit of time on her today, all wiring removed.

1 question removing the handbrake wire that allows the light to turn on and off on the dash, do you need it for mot, as i may have slipped with a stanley knife... lol

cheeky bit of carbon with more bits awaiting fitting when cage and interior is painted

all the cars interior wirining hidden in this bad boy.

[moxy89]

Right picture time, the car is getting sprayed end of august once my full SD cage has been welded in (oppps bank balance hates me) So a friend of mine is going to spray it will a compressor and get it looking bang on, but im doing all the prep work.. mods will be arriving very soon, just trying to do this, and keep saving for a house not easy...

But afer a massive hang over the saxo was the easiest way to get over it...

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The floor

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Take that.....

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finished..

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another one of the wiring.. lots more was removed today. Got a week off, which i will be prepping the interior and then, research.... need stuff like heatwrap for my manifold but then it seems like a waste of cash if i go boost new manifold needed anyway...

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[raunchz]

What you got hanging from your mirror?!

Nice bit of carbon on the dash !!

[moxy89]

it brought it home after a messy night out in town.... lol.... SD cage purchased.... so be welded in around the 20th of this month....

[-shuggles-]

Liking where this is going :y: It will be nice to see a well speced track saxo that looks clean too :y:

[raunchz]

An sd cage ?! You're a nutter

[Yates]

get down here then, and im going boost mate, Na for da gay manz

big words for someone who as said constantly changes his mind!

[moxy89]

its to late to change my mind now.....

[moxy89]

Right interior is prepped ready for the cage and spraying to be done, didnt really get as much as i wanted this week but both of my driveshafts are fubared so new ones of them are needed.

Anyway some more little updates with a really nice one coming sunday or early next week that will finish the inside off a treat..

Interior complete (awaiting cage, interior painted then ;) )
Another set of brand new Areo catches,
and satin black TOW eye cover, chevrons and the wheels are off ready to be done satin black.

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now the moneys being spent engine wise.

Next week Atspeed L&B flywheel
New gearbox
New shafts.

Then collect parts for boost

[shell-vt]

looking well ...

[ed-bradley]

How did you go about removing the deadening from the floor? Chisel hammer & brute force? Lol
Did you use any de-greaser etc to finish it up in the 3rd & 4th pictures also?
I've been delaying doing mine as I didn't want a mess Haha.

[moxy89]

3 whole bottles of auto glym tar remover just poured a bottle at a time on the floor and it done the rest....

[raunchz]

Mate, ive still got my 24mm rear anti roll bar if any use to you for a few pennies?

I'm guessing yours is 22mm so could be a nice subtle upgrade.

Cars looking good mate, is a good idea to plonked a lightweight flywheel on there when fitting new box - makes a good difference!!

[raunchz]

Will get those aerocatches fitted when I'm next back!

[moxy89]

ARB just purchased off raunchz, yeah mate ill take the ARB bring it down!!!

[moxy89]

Today.. I got more updates however picture will be tomorrow buts it a very nice bug update.....

Also removed battery and started to relocate,

also some spraying, just to tidy up bits in the bay with surface rust but she is getting there and looking HAWWWTTT

[SaxoIOW]

Looking foreward to the pics! Is the SD cage staying black or getting coloured the same as the interior?

[raunchz]

Today.. I got more updates however picture will be tomorrow buts it a very nice bug update.....

Also removed battery and started to relocate,

also some spraying, just to tidy up bits in the bay with surface rust but she is getting there and looking HAWWWTTT

Pics needed !!!

There better not be overspray everywhere!

[Barry123]

What are the plans for this then man?

[raunchz]

What are the plans for this then man?

Depends on the weather

[RDKells]

Looking like a turd bucket, looking forward to seeing it finished :P, what colour you respraying it? Excuse me if you said but I've had a few lol

[moxy89]

car is staying silver,,,

adsayer, like raunchz said depends i change my mind daily, however what ever will be done will be track focused, ive spent so much this week and enjoyed so much working on the car... so im not fussed on the money as long as i enjoy it... More updates tomorrow with pictures

[raunchz]

I'm only playing mate!!

I think deep down I'd love to see this boosted with around 200bhp atw and reliable - then just brakes and suspension and it'd be perfect!

[moxy89]

very excited for tomorrow very very early start though.... ;)

[raunchz]

Pictures !!

[moxy89]

Detailed... today got bored so moved on to more focussed stuff ;)

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old seat bracket,, needs cutting out and re welding!!! pissed off

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simple bay

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[raunchz]

Lol, what've you done with the seat bracket?!?!

Could just weld some bars in and bolt a bucket seat to the bars?!

[moxy89]

seat bracket was like that when removed the old seat... was not happy mate,, im getting it cut out and welded over then seats bars welded in...

[moxy89]

Picked this bad boy up from AlexR today for a bargin... Monaco s eat your heart out

cobra evolution S bang tidy... Mint condition its going to faded though.... i know it..

love it awating a cobra suzuka S that should be here within the hour for the passenger seat..

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[Ashleyp]

Alex finally shifted that thing then :P

good buy, at a good price! i don't think he ever even sat in it within a car.

[moxy89]

Yeah well happy with it, i paid more for the suzuka.... Got some 4 points Luke Harnesses coming as well... Should be tidy... going to fit them and then drive it until cage it ready with the interior to be finished, yes i am a big kid

[Aaron]

you need sidemounts ?

lol at the seat mounting bolt

[moxy89]

i have sidemounts, it just put in, ill put the suzuka and harnesses in tonight promise xxxx,,, seat mounting give a shit will be fine lol... when cage goes in will be welded to the floor

[SaxoIOW]

Looking good! I should have a 4 point omp harness turing up tomorrow :D You going to trax?

[raunchz]

Love this seat, did 3000+ miles in one round Europe and was fine for 8+ hours of driving in a day - not great for French toll booths though!!

If you can, try and mount it as low as possible - then get an rmd dished steering wheel and it'll be awesome to drive!!

[SaxoIOW]

Second that! Ive got the corbeau sprint on the lowest sidemount setting and a omp 330mm corsica, epic driving position :y:

[moxy89]

Fuck side mounts blue tack to the floor epic driving position will update later when fully fitted...

[JRC1]

Fookin lovely seat! Annoys me when people get a different passenger one to the drivers one though.. just doesn't make sense :err:

[moxy89]

why waste money on a passenger mate??? they dont need to be fixed in as well as myself, also can i tap and die one of the threads on these ?? as one of the screws isnt biting for shit

[raunchz]

Can do but be careful - the thread should be fine, don't just crank a bolt in there!!

[moxy89]

there is no thread left in the hole...

[RobertosVTS]

Mate this project is lookin good be great to see a vts with 200bhp plus what you done with ur carpet is it for sale what colour is it?

[moxy89]

Next weeks plans are...

focused on getting interior prepped, need to sort out collection from depot on my cage aswell, going silver inside and matt black cage. Then heavy tinted rear windows to remain a little bit of a sleeper

[moxy89]

LUKE 4 points fitted this evening... battery in the boot,, yet to connect as need a battery tray made..

[KieranYeh]

Good lad moxy, glad youve made your mind up, as you said.. they are so fun to do up, not quick as boosted, but way funner.

thats why ive had 4 :y:

Going good mate, keep it up! love the seat btw.. porn

[jsdvtr]

Look forward to see'ing more progress on this :y:

[Ashleyp]

Fookin lovely seat! Annoys me when people get a different passenger one to the drivers one though.. just doesn't make sense :err:

Over £400 for a second evo with sidemounts and subframe. A lot of money for something you (the driver) will never use.

I say just stick with one seat, fuck passengers off completely :)

[raunchz]

Over £400 for a second evo with sidemounts and subframe. A lot of money for something you (the driver) will never use.

I say just stick with one seat, fuck passengers off completely :)

Couldn't agree more - when you start modifying a saxo you start to not have passengers anymore as they'd rather make their own way to places

[moxy89]

Lol, went to buy a CUPRA R today, still staying with the saxo, but the astra is just boring me... cupra was a dog but i was half expecting it... Cant wait till your down ross, need a gearbox asap so i can get it to the welder for a cage...

Just purchased

RMD suede wheels
and omp boss oh haiiii

[moxy89]

Got my LUKE 4 Point harnesses however sending them back as want 4inch..... but going for the same ones again,
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and come home to find a sticker made by my brother.... i like it..

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[mangojace]

Have you actually done trackdays or you want to do them in the future?

[moxy89]

car is not ready, done rockingham... but until it built to a spec i want then i doubt it will be moving... ie need my cage welded in first..

[mangojace]

Nice let me know when its done and have a saxp track sesh :)

[SaxoIOW]

I like the sound of a saxp track sesh! Mine should be ready for some track action soon so would definetly be interested.

[mangojace]

Same :) What track does everyone want to do?

[joe333]

Ahhhhaaa lol as some as i see that picture omg i just pissed myself!:clapping:

Fucking legand!

[AndySAXO]

Should just get out there, but if you don't then don't spend lots and never use it like main people on here with 'track car'

[Ashleyp]

Should just get out there, but if you don't then don't spend lots and never use it like main people on here with 'track car'

Got to agree 100% with this. I began falling into this trap when i owned a saxo, and incidently stopped modding it.

Moxy, you have a stripped out car with a healthy engine, decent suspension and brakes, and a single bucket with harness. Perfect spec to get out and gain some experience in your car? (Stu [sexy_Gt] is a perfect example of just getting out on track, his driving skills reward the 'lack' of power)

Too many people build 'epic' ASW builds, but are shit drivers on track because they only know how to brag on a forum and have never even driven their car to it's potential on track.

[mark1311]

totali agree with above tbh, i fell into the must be bang on befor use it on track etc. whent to cadwell on monday in the new vtr. 1st proper track session, standad vtr with my brakes and susspention was plenty quick enough to learn it. better/easyer to beable to learn/drive a slower car then a faster one. i would get your cage in then do 4/5 track sessions whilst collecting parts etc. then over upgrade the engine mate. am quite happy with the vtr engine for now till i learn the car and track then will add more power and sticky tryes.

spend your money on track time. yes 200 bhp maybe alot more fun then 120bhp, but imo i rather do a track day every month for a year learning car, learning to drive well on track. then save all money for epic engine, then you go out with loads of power and not much experiance at track driving and then bin it on 1st few laps.

[AndySAXO]

Yer I am not trying to be harsh in anyway.

We all full in to the trap, I did, but I am now getting out there.

And now getting the best out of the car.

Strip maybe a cage, good suspension, brakes, some good tryes.

Get out there, have fun and learn the car, what can be better, improved and do it like that.

[AndySAXO]

Also don't have to buy all the best stuff, you may want it to handle ect in different ways.

Just learn the car and improve it.

[Ashleyp]

spend your money on track time. yes 200 bhp maybe alot more fun then 120bhp, but imo i rather do a track day every month for a year learning car, learning to drive well on track. then save all money for epic engine, then you go out with loads of power and not much experiance at track driving and then bin it on 1st few laps.

Youre right IMO. doing a few track days in a lesser powered car is more fun than doing no track days but telling people you have a high powered car.

Take AlexB for example, biggest ASW on the forum, and constantly tells people how high spec is car is. but by his own admission, he can't drive it quick.

No disrespect here moxy, or to anyone for that matter. But the way i see it is, you have a tidy car to be able to get out there and enjoy it. dont fanny around with all the fancy engine parts that only people on the internet will care about. people on the track care about how well you drive, not how much you spent on a build.

[Jay_]

Drive it! :y:

[mark1311]

another thing aswell... you make your "spec list" then build the car..? imo thats 1st mistake.

how do you no you need to change all the brake setup? i.e braided lines, 4 pots, etc. whe you havet drove it standard? i think best thing to do is do cpouple track days learn it then think right i dont like this and dont like that be better if was bit stiffer etc.

i have done my track day and now started my list, i no i defo wont a diff and shorter box, but if i had gone out in it with a diffed s1 box to start with. how owuld i realise how much better it is with that money spend? i no fact when i have the new box on i will be abe to tell its money well spent alot more then if just whent out with it to start with.

[moxy89]

i prob will be getting out there, but not hitting a track until i have a cage welded in...

[mark1311]

i prob will be getting out there, but not hitting a track until i have a cage welded in...

yer onli defo things i would say would be nice seats, cage, nice steering wheel then off you go. maybe a satchshifter if you have the funds;)

[AndySAXO]

All about learning your car.

[J222JRA]

Im going for an epic engine spec and never plan to drive the car hard......what does that make me??

[mark1311]

Im going for an epic engine spec and never plan to drive the car hard......what does that make me??

lots of things:P. leave tht to viper though.:homme:

things is you no that and you no your building it to be a whore and not a track car. what were saying is... its fine to be ASW, nice car to look at epic engine thats fine. but if your wonting a track car then get it on track learn it then build an epic engine.

[J222JRA]

Ahhhh ok.

Defo not going to be a track car......couldnt bring myself to raise the suspension to make it handle properly.

[mark1311]

Ahhhh ok.

Defo not going to be a track car......couldnt bring myself to raise the suspension to make it handle properly.

that and i done one track session in myn... should see the dead flys on paint work, stone chips, and a scuff down side where i spun it off and took a marker out.

eva thought about just getting another one to actuali use and abuse?

[J222JRA]

that and i done one track session in myn... should see the dead flys on paint work, stone chips, and a scuff down side where i spun it off and took a marker out.

eva thought about just getting another one to actuali use and abuse?

Ive got a kit car for that dude......putting that back on the road in the next few weeks.

[Ashleyp]

You've never claimed it to be for track though james, (the saxo i mean) so a different scenario imo.

I think youre crazy for spending that much on a saxo, but hey, it's your money and youre 100% in a much better financial position than me, so i guess my opinion is completely invalid in that respect.

As you say, you have a car which will undoubtedly be more capable on track if you desired the need for it.

[mangojace]

Youre right IMO. doing a few track days in a lesser powered car is more fun than doing no track days but telling people you have a high powered car.

Take AlexB for example, biggest ASW on the forum, and constantly tells people how high spec is car is. but by his own admission, he can't drive it quick.

No disrespect here moxy, or to anyone for that matter. But the way i see it is, you have a tidy car to be able to get out there and enjoy it. dont fanny around with all the fancy engine parts that only people on the internet will care about. people on the track care about how well you drive, not how much you spent on a build.

Actually couldnt agree more, well said!

[blackie_2k5]

Youre right IMO. doing a few track days in a lesser powered car is more fun than doing no track days but telling people you have a high powered car.

Take AlexB for example, biggest ASW on the forum, and constantly tells people how high spec is car is. but by his own admission, he can't drive it quick.

No disrespect here moxy, or to anyone for that matter. But the way i see it is, you have a tidy car to be able to get out there and enjoy it. dont fanny around with all the fancy engine parts that only people on the internet will care about. people on the track care about how well you drive, not how much you spent on a build.

well said, ive got a mate with a caged corsa sport, it looks like a banger racing car, its a right mess, he loves it, drives the wheels off it, thats waht track days are for :y:

end of the day, the more money you sink into it, the more your worried about ruining it, mines not far from being able to actually get some track time, but im worried now lol, its not gonna stop me though!

[Yates]

Im going for an epic engine spec and never plan to drive the car hard......what does that make me??

regardless of what money you have, it makes you stupid, why would you spend money on the engine and then never drive it to its potential?!

its just pointless and by sounds of it, just for forum asw, interested to know why you intend on spending money on it?

a light saxo with bodies/turbo/sc is going to be great fun on tracks and in the twisties

[mangojace]

regardless of what money you have, it makes you stupid, why would you spend money on the engine and then never drive it to its potential?!

its just pointless and by sounds of it, just for forum asw, interested to know why you intend on spending money on it?

a light saxo with bodies/turbo/sc is going to be great fun on tracks and in the twisties

Couldnt agree more. A bodied saxo keeps up with a hell of alot on say a track like cadwell/brands!

No point spending loads and loads if you dont plan on driving it hard, may as well make it a show car!

[J222JRA]

regardless of what money you have, it makes you stupid, why would you spend money on the engine and then never drive it to its potential?!

its just pointless and by sounds of it, just for forum asw, interested to know why you intend on spending money on it?

a light saxo with bodies/turbo/sc is going to be great fun on tracks and in the twisties

I see your point and yeah i guess i am a little stupid but i guess we can all do what we wish to our own cars yeah??

At the end of the day i will enjoy it in my own special way so all is good.





No point spending loads and loads if you dont plan on driving it hard, may as well make it a show car!

Its done 65 miles in the last 2-3 years.....when its finished i intend on it being a show car. A show car however needs to have all areas covered imo....bodywork, engine etc etc

Each to their own.

[moxy89]

i promise it will be used and abused.. i know longer car what it looks like, it just want it to make me smile.. more update coming this week

[raunchz]

I think people should be allowed to do what they want with cars.

I love big progress threads and enjoy what people do with their cars.

I got sucked into building a car to spec - would I do it again?! Yes, why?! Because I enjoyed it and learnt a lot.

The only thing I'd do differently, having spent £xxxx on a Saxo and sold it all off, is I'd start with a quicker car like a Renaultsport megane

[jsdvtr]

i prob will be getting out there, but not hitting a track until i have a cage welded in...

What cage you going for?

[moxy89]

got a full SD CAGE, weld in starring right at me wrapped up in my room... matt black, bit of sex wee come out then... Ross is down soon and ill let him drive the saxo and within a week he wil have one fact

[mark1311]

wont be matt black for long if your welding it in lol:P

[raunchz]

got a full SD CAGE, weld in starring right at me wrapped up in my room... matt black, bit of sex wee come out then... Ross is down soon and ill let him drive the saxo and within a week he wil have one fact

I refuse to drive the Saxo as it'll end up costing me a lot

[moxy89]

Right. raunchz is coming down on the 11th

our plans are

-fit areo catches
-Relocate battery to boot
-Tidy interior loom.
-maybe fit 4 pots...

im going to trax but not in the saxo, meanwhile i spray the boot and it come out awesome, however, once the cage is welded in, i will take it to a bodyshop so it looks bang tidy!!!

[moxy89]

Update from today..

Arrow stickers (didnt want tow)
Painted rear beam looks awesome..
removed more wiring, i will be boosting this car, im out there every second working on it and getting into a nice usuable state. I will be aiming for around 250bhp (200ish atw).. cant wait for the winter to get it tucked into the garage and make the magic work

[moxy89]

Update day..

24mm arb fitted
areo catches fitted love the look of it now, just need the alloys sprayed a mad colour or matt black and outside finished maybe some carbon in the future in the way of a bonnet!!

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm76/saxoll/IMG_0038.jpg

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm76/saxoll/IMG_0041.jpg

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm76/saxoll/IMG_0040.jpg

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm76/saxoll/IMG_0039.jpg

[Jay_]

matt black for the wheels, would ruin it if they were bright IMO!

[moxy89]

going for satin black!!! will match the cage then !

[harry289]

Your arches look filthy ;) aero catches fit nicely! :)

[Aaron]

Did you fit all that??

[moxy89]

I done the ARB while ross done the areo catches. Only had one dremel otherwise i would have jumped in... its starting to get there... need to start saving again for parts as dont want to use my savings

[moxy89]

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm76/saxoll/IMG_0042.jpg

just fitted these.

and took of these to do this...

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm76/saxoll/DSC00128.jpg

dropping two down tomorrow to get repsrayed gloss black, was going to get them all done satin black however two are mint so going to get the curbed one sprayed gloss black, that way halves the cost to fund my brembros.

[blackie_2k5]

nice plans mate, IMO if you can find a set, get some hispec's or similar, about the same price by the times you get discs and pads, but they dont squeel

dont get me wrong, i love my brembos, and the stopping power is unreal, but if i had the choice now id go hispecs as 1 they dont squeel and 2 you can still run 14" rims on them, so it makes track tyres ALOT cheaper

something worth thinking about

[moxy89]

good shout. i think i will still be running 15inch track wheels mate, i might get rid of the pro race and get c5 steelies. i dont want the car to look anything special, need to get the alloys done for the winter though and get it tucked away in the garage and put more towards a house deposit!! fail

[blackie_2k5]

just a heads up mate, decent rubber is significantly cheaper in 14" thats why most stick to 14s for track wheels :y:

cant wait to see this one go mind

[moxy89]

cheers mate... mmm. something i really have to consider.. got me thinking mate. i cant wait to see it go mate, a lot of work to be done over the winter, want usable power though something around your figure will be awesome... get a few track days in over the winter while its a NA

[raunchz]

Cars looking very tidy inside.

Could try these 4pots? http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=353680&highlight=Hispec

They should be plenty powerful enough, plus will fit under 14s?

Get the new gearbox on !!

[moxy89]

WINTER TAKE THIS...

two coats of underseal applied... looks really tidy aswell,

as you can see the wheels were dropped down yesterday... going gloss black again, why because it was the cheapest option, and means that i dont have to respray the cage and badges and what knot.

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm76/saxoll/IMG_0047.jpg

[blackie_2k5]

looking good, need to get mine done tbh, i havent done them on this sax yet :D

going to be off the road majority of winter like :D

[Ashleyp]

going gloss black again, why because it was the cheapest option, and means that i dont have to respray the cage and badges and what knot.

For someone that bangs on about track cars being about performance and not looks you don't half contradict yourself...

I'm sure nobody's that fussed that you want your "track slag" to look nice at local meets etc - you just seem to want to be in with the ASW track look crew and be in with the cool crowd who actually go on track, taking it in turns to slate the other group so you don't lose face with either - which inevitably just makes it look like you try to hard to fit in.

[moxy89]

why... i dont want it looking like a heap of shit... the alloys were fucked... therefore im gettting them resprayed!!! simple really, and as for a track car, not many track people buy a full SG cage!!! they buy cheap shit.. i can assure you that the car will be used and driven hard both on road and track...

[MiniGibbo]

Wouldnt drive it hard on road with a cage unless your planning to always wear your helmet?

[moxy89]

not allowed helmets in cars are ya ?? and i wont wear one just wont intend to crash it

[lwigmore]

not allowed helmets in cars are ya ?? and i wont wear one just wont intend to crash it

But how do you know you won't crash??

[moxy89]

i dont, i didnt say i wouldnt, i said i dont intend to crash.... if i do i do,

[MiniGibbo]

Good plan, I hear brain damage and clotting never happens when you bang your head on large tubes of metal at speed..

[Aaron]

That's what bubblewraps for^^^ lols

[moxy89]

agree, bubble wrapped as cage padding is over priced for what it is

[AlexB]

The thing loads of people bang on about hitting your head on acage in proper seat and harness setup means either

Your harness isnt set up properly and youve come out of it
Your neck has allready snapped
Your seats rediculously high in the car

Or the cage has deformed in which case hitging your head on it isnt the worst case senario

Yes it can happen but sit in a car in a harness done tight and look at where the cage is

Even a seat bending with a few lateral g of 13 stone id be suprised to see enough of an impact to cause severed damage

Yes helmets help but how many race drivers have ruined helmets after crashes??
its not a very high number tbh

Look at foggy the other year rolled his 1400 rally sax
Bent both a pillars on the cage
Not a mark on the helmet of him or his co driver

[moxy89]

atm i must admit my seats are very high however just purchased some weld in seat bars so issue sorted...

[jsdvtr]

Alex is totally right her, i was talking about this to a mate of mine a few years back before i got a full cage whos got a caged turbo delsol and he said if the cage is right for the car, etc your head should be nowhere near it.

In my car i think my head is a good 3 inches away from cage and my seat is slightly higher than the passenger one due to having a slider on it.

[raunchz]

Mate sorry haven't replied sooner - my old BTB exhaust is at mine in Bournemouth if you still wanted it? You looking to shift the Piper first, or you want to buy the BTB asap?

[moxy89]

can do either mate!!1 ideally sell the piper first... but can i send cash to you and collect soon, or wait till your down

[stokesy]

loving the progress mate.. aero catches look good
they hard work getting them to look the same angle either side? i have no idea on how there fitted, apart from obv cutting the bonnet, and know if i had a go theyd look at completly diff angles and look gash :/
how long until the cage fitted?? any track days booked yet?

[moxy89]

got track day booked for november, will either be in the mk2 RS focus or ideally my saxo, just need a gearbox then progress can go all out... cage hopefully this week though pending weather and using my works land rover and a trailer... see how it goes.. update tomorrow ;)

[stokesy]

youve got this and an rs :/
not too bad to have lying around for when the saxo decides to not work aha..
what track you doing in nov??

[moxy89]

No brothers has a mk2 rs, i have a astra sri for a daily... but my brother is more than happy for me to drive the RS.. Hopefully brands, picking up a gearbox early next month off parry then will all start taking shape for it to come back off the road for boost

[MiniGibbo]

Why do you want to run 15's so bad?

Get some 14's dude as not only are the tyres cheaper but think of the unpsrung weight its worth its weight in gold..

[moxy89]

ill be running C5 steelies!!! im on the hunt for speedline comp2 in 14's that come on some saxos in gold :) some banging updates for tomorrow!!!

[moxy89]

just sold my piper, will be missed as the noise was mental, however want something that i wont get turned away at track days and something that will help boost.. BTB was the only answer, pick it up tomorrow cant wait!!!!

[Barry123]

Let me know how you get on with fitting... my centre box is mm's from either side of the heat shield, so the only thing I can do is have the system dropped a bit but can't find any decent exhaust mounts that'll do the job.

[raunchz]

Let me know how you get on with fitting... my centre box is mm's from either side of the heat shield, so the only thing I can do is have the system dropped a bit but can't find any decent exhaust mounts that'll do the job.

Powerflex universal mounts are what I used and were spot on. I think it's number 6 or something - it's like a chunk of stiff rubber with different holes in it which let's you adjust it

[Barry123]

Powerflex universal mounts are what I used and were spot on. I think it's number 6 or something - it's like a chunk of stiff rubber with different holes in it which let's you adjust it

Ross you're a beauty. I popped to halfords today and they had three, no less, different exhaust mounts.

http://www.powerflex.co.uk/resize_image.php?image=1-EXH_renderComp_web.jpg&w=150

Would you recognise it from the pic?

From that small pic, they had in stock. 1, 5 and 10. but can always pop to other halfords that are about.

Cheers man!

[raunchz]

I used the bottom right one for the Backbox, and one of those stiff rubber ones from Kam-Racing

[moxy89]

1) dont have heatshields they broke off....
2) and already have the stiff mounts, i wont be fitting it for a while as working all week ;(

[moxy89]

Fitting BTB tomorrow morning as collected it tonight!! to say I'm excited is a understatement...

[MR_N]

Nice one Moxy, will have to meet up soon as i really want to hear a BTB.

[moxy89]

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm76/saxoll/IMG_0051.jpg

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm76/saxoll/IMG_0052.jpg

fitted its spot on love, and to be honest the noise, there isnt one, just slightly louder than standard, however didnt buy it for the noise, tbh love the quiet system and adds to the sleeperness, however its one small set to boost!! all systems go!!

[jsdvtr]

Ive got a miltek system and thats really quiet compared to alot of exhausts but since having it decatted its got a slight rasp higher up in the rpm range.

What size bore is the btb?

[ChAdS]

I thought btb systems supposed to sound nuts :

Saxo VTS BTB Exhaust - YouTube


Never thought they were a quiet exhaust

[moxy89]

Sure it's 2.5 inch mate.. Nice and quiet. Spot on for boost and trackdays... Bangs like fook though

[moxy89]

Running cams... That one mine ain't far off that... But compared to my piper it's very quiet

[Barry123]

It's comparable to a magnex system in terms of noise just a much deeper but broader tone throughout the rev range. I've got to say hats off to btb for designing it the way they did it sounds fab.

[moxy89]

very deep tone, however from inside can barely hear it which is bang on as mine is tottally gutted... Love it, should work wonders with boost

[ChAdS]

Running cams... That one mine ain't far off that... But compared to my piper it's very quiet

Well if it sounds like that mate then I would say its quite loud sounds wicked love the roar from btb! Its different not like supersprint noise or kam racing noise getting a bit boring now also the look of them is boring.

[moxy89]

never look back, love the oval look and fits spot on, and saying you got a btb is awesome as no one has them!!!

[raunchz]

Looks tidy mate, enjoy it !!

My only future improvement which I had on the cards was a new stainless 'decat' section instead of the cut straight tube.

Time for boost now !!

[moxy89]

mate boost is looking very very promising.... get yourself a sax again!!!!

[raunchz]

mate boost is looking very very promising.... get yourself a sax again!!!!

I wish mate - you never know !! I need to buy a house first so I've got space for another toy.

The vectra munches motorway miles too well to be replaced by a saxo for a commute, plus it'll happily cruise at 1xx without breaking a sweat and is quiet inside.

Still long for a 205 gti6 or a 7 style kitcar

[moxy89]

Got a lot to do, im going to do it slowly, no rush. went to look at a new daily today as want rid of the astra. 306gti 6, 65k on it, i would leave it fully standard as well, but more money toward the saxo and a house!!

Now until decemeber will be on a slow down on parts going to save a fair chunk and buy loads all together!!! So will all come together soon...

[Dave_P]

That looks a heavy ass exhaust did you put it on the scales b4 u fitted it?

[moxy89]

It's a very heavy system. Properly double the weight of my piper

[AlexB]

It's a very heavy system. Properly double the weight of my piper

For allmost no difference in performance

The added weight probably makes the car slower
never been a fan of the btb unless your boosted theres no need for an exhaust that size

[ChAdS]

For allmost no difference in performance

The added weight probably makes the car slower
never been a fan of the btb unless your boosted theres no need for an exhaust that size

I don't think the exhaust is that heavy to say it would make the car slower its not made of cast iron.

Same sort of weight as a magnex system with a midi box I'd say.

BTB exhaust systems sound awesome!

[Barry123]

It's heavier than the magnex but not by that much - put it like this, the difference can be made up by changing your diet if someone is that concerned about it.


All this pipe diameter chit-chat not necessary really. It's the manifold where the diameter is most in important as that's where the influence on scavenging is most pronounced. The exhaust system, particularly down stream of the first silencer is much less of a worry. The original BTB's that had the dummy cat pretty much negated the worry about the over sized pipe diameter since the reflections spent very little time at the over sized diameter before pinging back to the engine. As most of them now don't have the dummy cat then it'll be similar to the regular decatted systems that everyone has. But let's face it, does anyone actually know how to calculate all this information and spec an exhaust accordingly? Naa of course not, it's just saxo owners going on a hunch and pulling bits of information off from dubious websites. If anyone starts debating it someone will keyboard-shit themselves and tell them is a bad thing, press them further on the matter and they can't really say how bad it is because they don't have a firm enough grasp of the physics and mechanics behind it. Unless you idiot is spec'ing a 4" pipe diameter then it's not going to affect performance enough to worry anyone realistically.
Added to that the standard saxo exhaust diameter is way over spec'd for even a moderately tuned engine - bet you didn't know that people??? A BTB isn't going to turn a moderately tuned VTS into a 1.1.

So choose a system you like to listen to (unless it's a supersprint and similar as they sound shit.) and don't fart around worrying about the performance difference.

[moxy89]

jealously.... barry we are a elite force!!! BTBerience ???... took my car out, alot more driveable ears didnt bleed, yeah its not noisey doesnt sound like a rally car!!! Car didnt feel any different with the btb!! so many people say you loose bhp, that fine rolling roading it next weekend!!! if gearbox gets fitted

[wicked-vtr]

I thought btb systems supposed to sound nuts :

Saxo VTS BTB Exhaust - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGA962coqGc)


Never thought they were a quiet exhaust

Aha my car!

I took the btb off and fitted a saxsport to see if there was any noticable difference in power, there wasnt. I soon went back to the btb as the saxsport made the car sound like a lawnmower. All this "rasp" people go on about is bollocks really.

Also it was my understanding the "dummy cat" was a expansion chamber, i red up about it on the gmc website. Mine still has one in and its not fooling anyone if its meant to be a dummy cat lol

[moxy89]

VTS in my hands, car will soon be able to be moved once again...

Whats the best stuff to degrease a box and spray it ???

[AlexB]

Barry i didnt say the sizes would effect performance too much i was saying the weight difference wuld i know it wont make a world of difference but why swap an exaust that works for one that looks the same sounds the same makes similar power but weighs a few kg more in essence allthough even small youve lost performance
it may id centre of gravity ect but mainly i was taking the piss


And how many cars running decent power have a 2.25" system or bigger i think ryans one of the only guys with something that size that actually might be benefitting from it i dont know enough about exhausts to be able to definitavely say oh a 2.5" is too big but just looking at most well specced cars a 2" is ample

[moxy89]

I swapped to be a ASW as not many people have a BTB lol, No my plans are to boost the car and a BTB is perfect, the noise is spot on where as my piper was a fucking nightmare.. I love the btb..

[Dave_P]

I swapped to be a ASW as not many people have a BTB

At least your honest... ;)

...but seriously, you've got the right size exhaust if you want boost. :)

[AlexB]

Fair cop then fella

[mtpagey]

Just read your thread Moxy to find out what you were up to with the car this time :P

"it's going... its staying... its going...!" :panic:

How much did you pick up the BTB for? Guessing its a 'cat' back guaging by the picture? Just that I've an price in mind for selling my full BTB system but they hardly ever come up for sale.

You said you thought the BTB was pretty quiet, what manifold are you using? Still the raceland one? Just that a full BTB system is anything but quiet... I got mine measured at work before going to the ring, averaged about 93 decibels at 5.5k revs.

[moxy89]

LOL mate she staying for good this time.. its not worth much anymore with it stripped and all the parts i have waiting to be fitted i cant wait to get it back on the road!!! No it aint a cat back had the other piece on the fitted to the manifold already, full btb system... Just one of the early ones!!

[Pat_Vts]

For allmost no difference in performance

The added weight probably makes the car slower
never been a fan of the btb unless your boosted theres no need for an exhaust that size

+1 that's what i thought

[moxy89]

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm76/saxoll/DSC00678.jpg

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm76/saxoll/DSC00677.jpg

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm76/saxoll/DSC00676.jpg

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm76/saxoll/DSC00679.jpg

Alloys powdercoated black

BTB very low to the ground ;)

[jsdvtr]

Looking good, how long did it take to fit the aerocatches?

[moxy89]

Ross done them, took a fair wack of time, broke the dremel lol, However well worth it, was around 2-3 hours fitting them

[raunchz]

Spent a bit of time making sure they were symmetrical and a good fit to the bonnet.

Where they are is right above the bracing on the bonnet so takes a bit of cutting

[mangojace]

Looking good man.

You will have to let me know when you track it next year :)

[moxy89]

From this

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm76/saxoll/DSC00714.jpg

to this in under two weeks, it was hard but however the saxo was always going to be a money pit, it needed alot of welding and i saved so hard i couldnt waste a single penny more on it as i knew i would never get it back, on wards and upwards, new car very soon that will have a very large turbo !!!!!!

love you saxo... piece of fucking shit

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm76/saxoll/IMG_0063-1.jpg

[joe333]

:(Epic fail! :n: Real shame was a lush sax!

[moxy89]

shame the cunting thing never worked to its full mate... Astra GSI boom...

[joe333]

shame the cunting thing never worked to its full mate... Astra GSI boom...

Dickkk allow i want one of them :( get a rallye then we can be rallye hoe's!

[moxy89]

mate get a gsi.... mate just dont bother with insurance the boost should allow you to outrun the plod...

[Jay_]

a final decision! :n: was a very tasty motor! hope you do you magic on the next one!

[Bensvts]

liked the sax mate, and am liking ur thinking i have a silver mk1 S on bodies and am getting a GSI next year ;)

[MiniGibbo]

What a suprise...

[moxy89]

a final decision! :n: was a very tasty motor! hope you do you magic on the next one!

oh i will mate, learnt alot... but it was not worth spending the money... it would have sat on my drive all year and not been used... the seat ripped out the floor, something not right there... had to go... got a works van and a daily so going to save like fuck and see what comes around so i dont have to use my house deposit

[Tufty]

Fair play mate. I think it`s best, you were ooooing and arrrrring for a long time with the car! People don`t want to pay good money for decent motors nowadays...so breaking it is the best option. :)

[moxy89]

What a suprise...

even in the state it is in now, i would still rather be seen in it that your fucking turd...

[MiniGibbo]

even in the state it is in now, i would still rather be seen in it that your fucking turd...

You sure about that or do you want to make a thread about it, then gauge interest on it then sell it then gauge interest again then keep it then think about it again?

[moxy89]

would have still been faster than yours FACT... I loved the car, but when you see it sat on the drive for so long not moving it makes you all out of love with it... it had to go... it would not have been worth the cash spending all the cash on it just to get it to a usable condition...

[MiniGibbo]

You sure or do you want to put a thread up in general chat and ask if it would of been faster?

[moxy89]

easy... If it aint a M it aint even worth driving...

[MiniGibbo]

*insert generic youre a dreamer and a time waster comment*

[boony]

yawn, gibbo why do all the arguments always revolve around you . Insted of giving out little snidy comments just chill

[moxy89]

*insert generic youre a dreamer and a time waster comment*

ok sweetheart... ok....

[MiniGibbo]

So give us a heads up whats the next bullshit on the cards?

New GTR?
Ferrari 458?


Or you going to build a 1000hp project car?

[moxy89]

My car is a 2.0 sri and im saving for something that i can drive daily, have fun in and not look like a bellend in, so the idea of a bmw 3 series in yellow is out the window

[MiniGibbo]

Im not going to bother reading that reply its safe to say itll be full of bullshit that wont come true and youll have a new dream within the hour..

[moxy89]

we will soon see....

[MiniGibbo]

Doubt it...

[moxy89]

what ever it will be, i wont a mustard yellow

[Simon0014]

Shame you ended the project mate, look forward to seeing what you actually end up getting to replace it!

[Barry123]

Im not going to bother reading that reply its safe to say itll be full of bullshit that wont come true and youll have a new dream within the hour..

Gibbo, I wholeheartly suggest you read it.

[mattknight1984]

So the supposed mint shell was full of rust? You were asking a fair bit for the car before deciding to keep it and track it... Lovely late example etc etc.

No need for all the threads when basically nothing much happened, just a load of talk!

Good luck with whatever u get next - no need for more threads on it though ;)

[mangojace]

My car is a 2.0 sri and im saving for something that i can drive daily, have fun in and not look like a bellend in, so the idea of a bmw 3 series in yellow is out the window

As i said to you the other day when you was round. Mini hippos a bellend. Just ignore him :homme:

[baker556]

I don't get it?

You underseal, fit a bigger arb, strip it put a bucket seat in, i dont know whether it had a raylle box or not, fit a predator then looks like a standard ecu, try selling it then say your going to boost it, buy a btb and rate it so much compared to everything else.

I know gibbo talks shit but im a little with him on this one..

You gave it a 19hour detailing session the other day, what for?

It never saw track although suppose to be a 'track car'.

My 1.4 furio saw track, it has a full interior along with 128000 miles, its a daily, and i loved the track session even if its slower than everything!

Srs some people have so much time on there hands..

[MiniGibbo]

As i said to you the other day when you was round. Mini hippos a bellend. Just ignore him :homme:

Aww did you two spoon and wisper into each others ears how much you hate me :homme:

[mangojace]

I don't get it?

You underseal, fit a bigger arb, strip it put a bucket seat in, i dont know whether it had a raylle box or not, fit a predator then looks like a standard ecu, try selling it then say your going to boost it, buy a btb and rate it so much compared to everything else.

I know gibbo talks shit but im a little with him on this one..

You gave it a 19hour detailing session the other day, what for?

It never saw track although suppose to be a 'track car'.

My 1.4 furio saw track, it has a full interior along with 128000 miles, its a daily, and i loved the track session even if its slower than everything!

Srs some people have so much time on there hands..

I used to be like this all the time with the sax tho.When i drove it on track and stuff i never wanted to sell it. When i wasnt driving it, i had no moitvation with it and kep thinking why am i spending shit loads on a saxo :/ After owning 4 saxos i finally went jap lol!

[moxy89]

When a car is sat there for a year without moving you fall out of love with it, it had a rallye box and the casing cracked!!! The car was mint, however it was never going to be upto my standards without thousands spent on it... and at the end of the day it a saxo thats worth fuck all!!!!

[moxy89]

and PS, rate it, its a btb, thee best system for a saxo...

[luthor1]

Have a look at QRTY's car, that should get your blood going, it's frickin' awesome! He's got a video of it on bodies with a Pred..

[Aly]

From this

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm76/saxoll/DSC00714.jpg

to this in under two weeks, it was hard but however the saxo was always going to be a money pit, it needed alot of welding and i saved so hard i couldnt waste a single penny more on it as i knew i would never get it back, on wards and upwards, new car very soon that will have a very large turbo !!!!!!

love you saxo... piece of fucking shit

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm76/saxoll/IMG_0063-1.jpg

Not being nasty or anything but I was in the exact same scenario 10 months ago.

I took Saxo off the road, was in process of building it up. Realised my plans and money were not worth it.

Bought a Clio 172 for less 1/4 of the price of how much it was going to cost to build up my Saxo and it was a lot nicer to driver and a lot quicker.

Good luck anyway. Was a nice car.

[moxy89]

yeah, like tufty said i was ummm and arring with this car for ages, i never fell in love with it... i was stupid for buying a VTS in the first place was a impulse buy wanted a starlet after my 1.1.. It time to grow up, get a nice fast daily and move out and enjoy...

[mattknight1984]

Those who r going to turbo their cars just get on and do it - not create x number of threads stating their plans which never happen.

There's a lesson in there somewhere.

[moxy89]

i was well up for doing it, i loved the way the saxo drove, however when you price everything up and then think to yourself it a saxo, then when i though i can get a decent car and be comfortable..

[J222JRA]

As promised I'm banning you.

[moxy89]

top lads... going to miss you james xx hugs and kissess

[baker556]

and PS, rate it, its a btb, thee best system for a saxo...

Its overpriced, the car in the youtube vid was karls it was cammed i heard it yeah it sounded great. But it definitely wasn't the best sound it was pretty quiet infact. Srs as said its only a saxo why spend so much on an exhaust anyways :homme:

[moxy89]

cause i got it for a very good price ;)

[Aly]

As promised I'm banning you.

I think you should ban MinniRoidhead.

He seems to be running wild on this forum.

[Barry123]

I think you should ban MinniRoidhead.

He seems to be running wild on this forum.

I heard Bournemouth didn't make the short list for 2011 best seaside towns so I can understand his very public outbursts at the moment.

[blackie_2k5]

I heard Bournemouth didn't make the short list for 2011 best seaside towns so I can understand his very public outbursts at the moment.

FLOL :clapping:

[Aly]

I heard Bournemouth didn't make the short list for 2011 best seaside towns so I can understand his very public outbursts at the moment.

LOL, well seems like he will now have to keep them outbursts to himself

[Aaron]

I think you should ban MinniRoidhead.

He seems to be running wild on this forum.

your wish has came true!:clapping:


whats next for you luke?

[moxy89]

next car is a sensible daily mate.. as i am moving out in febuary!!! cant wait... Astra gsi or leon cupra r... something boosted and fun but comfy

[joe333]

S1 rallye???? :p

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