The bermuda triangle, UFO's, Ghost's etc

[Cam]

What People's views on these was watching programme on the bermuda triangle last night a people do have some interesting storys..

I am not to sure about stuff like UFO's ghosts and that..

You had any weird experiences? :y:

[Mochachino]

I LOVE this sort of stuff. Not ghosts, but UFO's that triangle.

Another thing im amazed by is secrecy, so Area 69 or whatever it called amazes me

[Cam]

I LOVE this sort of stuff. Not ghosts, but UFO's that triangle.

Another thing im amazed by is secrecy, so Area 69 or whatever it called amazes me

sarcasm? or you being serious lol?

[Mochachino]

Im being serious why lol

[Daz_Kez]

What People's views on these was watching programme on the bermuda triangle last night a people do have some interesting storys..

I am not to sure about stuff like UFO's ghosts and that..

You had any weird experiences? :y:

I caught one this morning on the Discovery channel I think it was,
about 2am?
Very interesting stuff.. I'm not sure how exactly to voice my opinion on the 'super natural' stuff (I've never had any experiences myself)

Does baffle me though.. Can't really justify that many planes/people/boats etc etc go missing!

Especially flight 19, how do you lose 6 air craft and 20 crew members? :wacko:

[Lucas_VTR]

Do a wigi board and your see some messed up stuff!

[Mochachino]

Do a wigi board and your see some messed up stuff!

Have you done one?

Ouija**

[Daz_Kez]

Do a wigi board and your see some messed up stuff!

Nah, I wouldn't bother messing around with stuff like that..
I'm interested in the whole mysterious kinds of stuff area 51, bermuda triangle etc etc
Not so much 'disturbing' spirits :p

[holdawayt]

I've done a Ouija board, it was weird.


Bermuda triangle has no more sinkings etc than any other area of sea that's as busy as that. There's nothing weird about it except for flight 19. but that was just an american pilot that got lost. hardly unexplainable.

[Mochachino]

Whatare peoples experiences with ouija boards?

[Lucas_VTR]

Have you done one?

Ouija**

Yeah i done a few, ex gf's parents were into all of that spiritual shit! I dont talk bout it cuz people just laugh and go 'you talk pure shit' lol but yeah first time i didnt sleep for about 2 weeks :panic:

[Daz_Kez]

I've done a Ouija board, it was weird.


Bermuda triangle has no more sinkings etc than any other area of sea that's as busy as that. There's nothing weird about it except for flight 19. but that was just an american pilot that got lost. hardly unexplainable.

Pilot? *s
20 crew and 6 aircraft..
If theres a reasonable explaination for it fair enough but I've yet to hear one with evidence to back it up.
I can agree with the missing ships etc, But randomly people who supposedly go missing etc, just doesn't make sense to me personally.
This all could just be a big scam thought up to increase tourism or something daft but I don't think it is..
SO I don't know :)

[cyne]

Im being serious why lol

Area 69 :zainy:

Can say I saw a ghost about 6-7 years ago, I was convinced it was a person just sitting in the corner of my room so I moved rooms a couple days later, it followed me to the new room. Parents wouldn't believe me, I would scream and cry through the night, used to see footprints in the carpet where it was moving, but it wasn't really visible as to what it was, just a figure basically. My mum didn't see the ghost or the footprints but I was convinced it was there.

She told me it was all in my head, which it was tbh, stopped thinking about and told myself there is nothing there. Never seen it since.

Now when people ask if I think they are real, I say no.

Bermuda triangle is fiction.

UFOs are fiction/imagination if you mean like the space saucer kind. If you mean aircraft flying that is unknown then yeah all time, I would imagine the RAF practice at night as well as day. If you mean aliens, doubtful, but no one can really know.

[Lucas_VTR]

Area 69 :zainy:

Can say I saw a ghost about 6-7 years ago, I was convinced it was a person just sitting in the corner of my room so I moved rooms a couple days later, it followed me to the new room. Parents wouldn't believe me, I would scream and cry through the night, used to see footprints in the carpet where it was moving, but it wasn't really visible as to what it was, just a figure basically. My mum didn't see the ghost or the footprints but I was convinced it was there.

She told me it was all in my head, which it was tbh, stopped thinking about and told myself there is nothing there. Never seen it since.

Now when people ask if I think they are real, I say no.

Bermuda triangle is fiction.


UFOs are fiction/imagination if you mean like the space saucer kind. If you mean aircraft flying that is unknown then yeah all time, I would imagine the RAF practice at night as well as day. If you mean aliens, doubtful, but no one can really know.


Well i believe in aliens, cant tell me in the whole of the galaxy or space there is not another life form out there? And the way technology is moving forward ever so fast, nano technology, smartphones etc... its coming from somewhere. Also think of this, why is every alien film you watch, they all look the same? There drip feeding it to us and making us use to seeing them so maybe not in our lifetime but when they do release what ever it is they have in mexico the whole world wont shit themselfs and have mass panic!

[Mochachino]

I belive in Chinese Lanterns.

[NickJ]

Don't believe in much myself, you see all this stuff in films which I think strengthens people's beliefs, but never do you see hard solid proof of aliens / UFO's / ghosts - it's always suspicious footage

Did a Ouija board at school one night, one kid absolutely freaked out, went insane and burst into tears. Didn't affect me at all, think ignorance was bliss though (didn't fully understand what they were at the time)

We've got telescopes that can see for millions of miles, and avid ghost hunters, but we're yet to see proven footage of paranormal activity

[Dom]

Whatare peoples experiences with ouija boards?

Fucked up.

Ask the question;

"Which one of us is going to die first" and it does the initials of your friends name, its a great relief to you, but he didn't find it funny and cried lol

[cyne]

Well i believe in aliens, cant tell me in the whole of the galaxy or space there is not another life form out there? And the way technology is moving forward ever so fast, nano technology, smartphones etc... its coming from somewhere. Also think of this, why is every alien film you watch, they all look the same? There drip feeding it to us and making us use to seeing them so maybe not in our lifetime but when they do release what ever it is they have in mexico the whole world wont shit themselfs and have mass panic!

No I can't tell you, but you can't tell anyone either as no one knows.

Why is it every picture of jesus the same? Are they preparing us for when he comes back as well, so there isn't mass panic?

Last time I checked as well the aliens in aliens vs predator looked a lot different from the ones in district 9 or the ones in attack the block.

I think they have mexicans in mexico mate.

Unless you are joking as I'm sure I've heard what you have said somewhere before.

[Lionsden]

I'm not a big believer in ghosts and things like that, but had one experience when I was about 15 which really shit me up.

My parents house is a big old Victorian terraced house and still has most of it's original features, one of which is a pair of pretty scary looking heads above the top and bottom of the main staircase. In Victorian times when someone died the body would be kept in the sitting room until it was buried so that people could pay their respects. These heads were there to stop spirits of the deceased from traveling up the stairs to the bedrooms.

One night I sneaked downstairs to raid the fridge at about 2am. On my way back up I felt a freezing cold draft do what I can only describe as pass through me, accompanied by really loud banging and muffled shouts or moaning like someone falling down the stairs.

I shit bricks ran up to my room and stayed there until the morning, when I mentioned it to my mother, who said I must have dreamed it. I'd forgotten about it for a few months until I was out in the front garden while my mother was speaking to my next door neighbour's elderly mother who had lived next door to us all her life.
My mother and her were talking about the metal fences and gates that had been reclaimed during the war for use in munitions factories and it reminded me of that experience, and I asked her if she knew of any ghost stories about any of the houses and she said yes there's loads... Straight away she said your house is supposedly haunted by a woman who fell down the stairs one night while arguing with her husband. This made me shiver, but to this day I've never heard that noise again but I still wonder what I felt and heard, as I know it wasn't a dream.

[Daz_Kez]

Can I just say no-one can say I don't believe in UFO's?
UFO has nothing to do with extraterrestrial life at all..
UFO as anyone should know is merely an abbreviation for Unidentified Flying Object..
and since most UFO's are seen at night and the Human being has not yet mastered being able to see in the dark it just proves that the majority of these seeings could infact be everyday things.. Thus not relating in any way to being from another planet blah blah blah

[W103_A5H]

Look up something called the zone of silence, in mexico. I find that quite interesting as it seems to have some sort of magnetic field that drags things to it. It is also said that you cant get any radio, phone or any type of communication in the area.

Pena and his group became aware of the "silence" when they found that it
was impossible to communicate with one another via walkie-talkies: radio waves
are not transmitted at the accustomed speed and frequency. Portable radios would
emit but the lightest whisper when turned on at full volume. To this day,
television signals cannot be received in Ceballos or in the neighboring ranches.
Some magnetic force, with the power to dampen radio waves, seems to exist in the
region.

And a bit more info on it

Francisco Sarabia, an aviator from the northern Mexican state of Coahuila,
reported that his radio had mysteriously ceased to function, earning him the
distinction of being the Zone of Silence's first victim.


Nonetheless, it wasn't until 1970 that the zone first entered public
awareness when an American missile, an Athena, fired from the White Sands Missile
Base, went off course inexplicably, heading for the Zone of Silence, where it
ultimately crashed. A few years later, an upper stage from one of the Saturn
boosters used on the Apollo project broke up over the very same area. The U.S,
military sent a team down to the region to investigate its surprising natural
properties.

Link if you want to read some more on it: http://www.strangemag.com/zoneofsilence.html

Also, if you are into historic stuff that is to do with religion/aliens/gods etc. watch a program on the history channel called Ancient Aliens it gets really in depth to do with odd goings on in past times from the last century to thousends of years back.

[Daz_Kez]

Look up something called the zone of silence, in mexico. I find that quite interesting as it seems to have some sort of magnetic field that drags things to it. It is also said that you cant get any radio, phone or any type of communication in the area.



And a bit more info on it



Link if you want to read some more on it: http://www.strangemag.com/zoneofsilence.html

Also, if you are into historic stuff that is to do with religion/aliens/gods etc. watch a program on the history channel called Ancient Aliens it gets really in depth to do with odd goings on in past times from the last century to thousends of years back.

Good information, I'll be sure to have a read :)
Will no doubt be something to do with the planets magnetic field but interesting non-the less... :p

[Rudpud]

Aliens are real. Its been proven as alien bacteria was found on a fallen meteor. I also believe that there is much more intelligent life out there than us.

I think ghosts/spirits are real as things happen in our house. When several family members and friends have witnessed it its hard not to believe, even though i believed before it happened.

The bermuda triangle fascinates me, but im sure theres something scientific about it all causing the shit to happen.

[Frankay]

Illuminati! its all real they brain wash people with shit that they put in the paper. the bilderberg group run the whole world they make decisions! not our goverment. Check out the bilderberg group if you have never seen or heard of it

[Cam]

Thanks for the feedback people some real interesting stuff :y:

[Daz_Kez]

The bermuda triangle fascinates me, but im sure theres something scientific about it all causing the shit to happen.

I think you have it there..
One of our planets properties is it being magnetically charged to some extent.. Thus the North and South Pole.. But the Bermuda Triangle, the 'Zone of Silence' probably amongst other areas across the planet may have a break in this field? Causing 'paranormal' activity.. whether this break is permanent or not is a different matter.. as the z-o-s seems permanent.. Bermuda seems to be hit and miss.. Could be something to do with the planet shifting or something thus affecting the magnetic field or something?
As you can tell.. I'm no scientist or anything, merely a curious person! :)

[CHIP]

Aliens - Got to be some out there. Space goes on forever apparently, so how can there not be at least one more form of life out there.

Ghosts - I've never seen one, i've had some freaky experiences. Due to my experiences i'd say they exist but no one knows for sure.

[cyne]

Illuminati! its all real they brain wash people with shit that they put in the paper. the bilderberg group run the whole world they make decisions! not our goverment. Check out the bilderberg group if you have never seen or heard of it

What has the illuminati got to do with anything in this thread? Though if you like reading about that sort of thing. I used to read about the Illuminati a lot, got bored after I realised I couldn't give a shit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemian_Grove

Honestly though there is loads of things that no one knows or will probably ever know.

Such as the loch ness monster, how the pyramids where built, whos responsible for 9/11, what happens in palestine, whos god is real etc.

[Frankay]

What has the illuminati got to do with anything in this thread? Though if you like reading about that sort of thing. I used to read about the Illuminati a lot, got bored after I realised I couldn't give a shit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemian_Grove

Honestly though there is loads of things that no one knows or will probably ever know.

Such as the loch ness monster, how the pyramids where built, whos responsible for 9/11, what happens in palestine, whos god is real etc.

Well its a conspiracy no one really knows if its true so i thought itd be appropriate very interesting none the less.

[Dury]

I always used to get creeped out by documentarys on stuff like the bermuda triangle & ghosts, etc. But ive sat by people when they did a ouiji board and it freaked the hell out of me. I would never do it just no if things like that exist then they exist im not gonna go messing about with stuff thats not to be messed with.

[Frankay]

Aliens - Got to be some out there. Space goes on forever apparently, so how can there not be at least one more form of life out there.

Ghosts - I've never seen one, i've had some freaky experiences. Due to my experiences i'd say they exist but no one knows for sure.

Thats one thing i would really love to know before i did, surley there is an end to space? i want to know whats up there

[Daz_Kez]

What has the illuminati got to do with anything in this thread? Though if you like reading about that sort of thing. I used to read about the Illuminati a lot, got bored after I realised I couldn't give a shit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemian_Grove

Honestly though there is loads of things that no one knows or will probably ever know.

Such as the loch ness monster, how the pyramids where built, whos responsible for 9/11, what happens in palestine, whos god is real etc.

AVP.. That is all!
Predators used to :boxing: Aliens off at the top of the Pyramids :y:

[0rang3peel]

I'm the most sceptical twat around I'm constantly telling my mum to get a grip and stop watching bollocks like on tv about stuff like this but...

one day I was messing around in a field with an at the time best mate (I was probably like 11, I still remember it because I was so freaked out) the field was large & completely open with short grass, we were stood near a bush, behind the bush there's a thin ally but it was winter and you could see clearly straight through the bush as the leaves were dead.

There then was the most creepy dead mans voice that said, "get off my land", we both looked at each other as if to say, wtf did you hear that & evidently my friend did aswel. We turned around in a complete circle looking for someone and there was nothing there, you could see for miles, despite the voice sounding like it was literally whispered in to our ears.

We both ran home and got called idiots by our mothers.

cool story bro

[Jamie]

I would never mess with a ouiji board. I don't tend to mess with what I do not understand. Freaks me the fcuk out.

Other intelligent life forms yeah why not? Afterall we are here...

'Ghosts' yeah spirits roam the earth alot of unexplained mysterious things happen in the world daily so again I have no reason to believe they don't exist just because I don't see them! I don't see oxygen but it exists...

[Prickle]

Pretty sure theres a ghost hovering bout in my house... made a thread not long back but people thought it was a jokes thread. :wacko:

[Heliosphan]

What has the illuminati got to do with anything in this thread? Though if you like reading about that sort of thing. I used to read about the Illuminati a lot, got bored after I realised I couldn't give a shit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemian_Grove

Honestly though there is loads of things that no one knows or will probably ever know.

Such as the loch ness monster, how the pyramids where built, whos responsible for 9/11, what happens in palestine, whos god is real etc.

What's the mystery about "Palestine" ?

[logic_guy]

I LOVE this sort of stuff. Not ghosts, but UFO's that triangle.

Another thing im amazed by is secrecy, so Area 69 or whatever it called amazes me

Its actually Area 19.

I was looking this up a few nights back.

Its a owned by the US goverment/ USAF and is in Nevada Test Site (NTS)

It isn't restricted air space, so you can fly over it and even land on a runway there. When you request permission to land they wash the stones and dust from the runway.

Its a ot of hangers and you may go for a guided tour. I believe photography is prohibited though and you can't go into many buildings.

Here's on of the websites (http://www.area51zone.com/a19.shtml#air) i was reading it up on:

[Barry123]

Area 51 aka Groom Lake surely?

[logic_guy]

Iirc, the reason for missing planes/ airplane instruments messing up and then crashing is because the triangle holds a hell of a lot of Methane and other gases that interfere with the instruments on boats and planes. Its a scientific reason more then 'spooky'

I think the gases are released from the small islands, tropical seas and the hot weather.


I'm not 100% sure i believe in Alien's, though, in comparison. We (Earth) are a needle in a haystack (universe) Each star is a sun, each sun would have planets orbiting it. There's bound to be something somewhere.

What i find quite odd, and funny is when you speak to someone about Aliens, and ask them to draw what you think they would look like, they all do the classic alien drawing:

http://ecdn0.hark.com/images/000/004/224/4224/original.png

I'm still not sure that i believe in ghosts, although i did once see a man, lady and child in my room (All were dark, i could only see their figure) looking at a chest of draws of mine. There was a person trying to sell it to them. I said "hello" and they went.... never seen again.

We did/ sometimes still hear a baby crying in the house if you stand in a particular place (under the light in the kitchen). Its as clear as day and sounds like its crying from like the other end of the house. We have had all the windows shut. We have double glazing and no neighbours have any babies/ young children.

All the family herd it... ONLY when you stand under the light you hear it... weird shit.


I've done a Ouija board.... Fuck that shit too. The glass wobbled as soon as it hit the paper. We did it at school. We smashed the glass and burnt the paper. I've done it at home with a mate too and the glass wobbled by its self again.

Spooky shit!

[logic_guy]

Area 51 aka Groom Lake surely?

Some people say that it is connected to Area 51. Some say it is part of A51. All i know is that it is linked with the NTS, which i guess is A51 (As thats where they do allot of explosive testing.

[logic_guy]

This is a video that i took filming a Ouija board when i went on a ghost hunt at Brentwood Nuclear Secret Bunker, in Essex, last year. It was a private hire function and it was about mid night too. Eary place by your self in there. I got the shivers a few times.

http://youtu.be/ft1YKabwhJ4

I am filming. There are 4 ladies doing this (All seemed thick as shit). I believe that they moved the glass because they believed in spirits.

When the lads took part, most of them didn't believe in this stuff (i my self took part and i am very open ,minded on this subject) the glass didn't even move... apparently there wasn't enough 'energy' with us lads. More like 4 / 5 of us didn't believe that this would work and i think most of it is physiological.

[Rob_McLav]

i really do think its stupid to say that we are the only life in the universe. how many planets are there, galaxies ect. i bet we arnt the only inteligent life force!!

also, if nasa ect found a new life force i pretty much doubt they would tell us. emagine the panic ect.

[logic_guy]

i really do think its stupid to say that we are the only life in the universe. how many planets are there, galaxies ect. i bet we arnt the only inteligent life force!!

also, if nasa ect found a new life force i pretty much doubt they would tell us. emagine the panic ect.

Well Nasa has ditched the manned space shuttle program as of a few days ago and now they are concentrating in out of space!

Why don't you think they would tell us? They have sent a CD/ MP3 and iPod player into space with all the worlds different language explaining who we are.

And if UFO's did exist... quite clearly Aliens are clever then us. They travel light years to come to earth, come into our air space and look around then shoot off. Thats some clever engineering.

[cyne]

What's the mystery about "Palestine" ?

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/mapstellstory.html

Basically which country does the land belong to.

[Heliosphan]

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/mapstellstory.html

Basically which country does the land belong to.

Oh ok.

That link is probably the most biased article you'll ever read on the subject.

[lwigmore]

I only watch Ghost hunters on sky living :D

Also watched the bermuda triangle programme aswell,

I hope Viper goes to the bermuda triangle and disappears for good :)

[logic_guy]

I only watch Ghost hunters on sky living :D

Also watched the bermuda triangle programme aswell,

I hope Viper goes to the bermuda triangle and disappears for good :)

Iirc, there are several programs on sky about this.

+1 :clapping:

[m11ler]

Stuff like this really interests me, well not so much ghosts, more the secrecy side of things such as area 51 and the bermuda triangle, also conspiracies such as 9/11 etc..

One thing i do have to add to the collection of ghost encounters though, when i was younger we lived in a really old victorian terraced house, and there was a little boy ghost who used to wake me up because he'd be playing with my toys near my door. He would also sit on the stairs and giggle like he wasnt supposed to be there, and my parents would think it was me and apparently shout telling me to go back to bed. But there was nobody there.

[Rob_McLav]

Well Nasa has ditched the manned space shuttle program as of a few days ago and now they are concentrating in out of space!

Why don't you think they would tell us? They have sent a CD/ MP3 and iPod player into space with all the worlds different language explaining who we are.

And if UFO's did exist... quite clearly Aliens are clever then us. They travel light years to come to earth, come into our air space and look around then shoot off. Thats some clever engineering.

i dont think they would tell us. imagine the panic it would spread with some people.

if ufo's have visited us then yes the are smarter. we can just manage the moon. mars ect is possible but would take a long time. the technology they would need to move through space fast over a huge distance would be something else

[VTR_Bass87]

I've experienced something not normal and it wasn't a hallucination from tiredness, basically i stayed awake all night playing xbox and it was about 4:30am when I went to open the window for some fresh air and noticed a lot of planes about.

Your thinking ok thats natural why the hell are you saying this? Well what wasn't normal was a black dot in the sky that literally stopped for i'd say a good 5 seconds before doing a huge loop at stupid speeds and disappearing into the high sky!

It wasn't a bird cause birds don't have smoke coming out their ass beforehand and it wasn't a plane cause it wouldn't stop and loop the loop in a matter of seconds before its gone!

It's no biggy and its probably something daft but it did question me for a while.

[logic_guy]

i dont think they would tell us. imagine the panic it would spread with some people.

if ufo's have visited us then yes the are smarter. we can just manage the moon. mars ect is possible but would take a long time. the technology they would need to move through space fast over a huge distance would be something else

Can you imaging the energy it would need to propel its self to get up to speed (You'd only need to acceleration energy. There isn't any air in space so there's not any friction, so it would be cruising the rest of the way)

I dont think it would be possible for life form to travel at the speed of light, any life form would just be a jelly from the G-Force's applied up on them. Just a wild guess, but maybe if your travelling that fast, you would stretch?

As for 9/11 - I cant see how it is possible for a steel building to collapse in a vertical motion. Can you imaging all the steel from the building, there would be tonnes of it and it would be stacked several stories high. Looking at aftermath pictures, i can't see any very much steel beams.

Apparently special scientists took samples of steel and took them to a lab and found traces of this jelly substance remains on the steel. Turns out that this stuff i a very high explosive used to cut through steel. (I'll try and find a video of it)

[m11ler]

Can you imaging the energy it would need to propel its self to get up to speed (You'd only need to acceleration energy. There isn't any air in space so there's not any friction, so it would be cruising the rest of the way)

I dont think it would be possible for life form to travel at the speed of light, any life form would just be a jelly from the G-Force's applied up on them. Just a wild guess, but maybe if your travelling that fast, you would stretch?

As for 9/11 - I cant see how it is possible for a steel building to collapse in a vertical motion. Can you imaging all the steel from the building, there would be tonnes of it and it would be stacked several stories high. Looking at aftermath pictures, i can't see any very much steel beams.

Apparently special scientists took samples of steel and took them to a lab and found traces of this jelly substance remains on the steel. Turns out that this stuff i a very high explosive used to cut through steel. (I'll try and find a video of it)

Airplane fuel doesnt even burn hot enough to melt the steel beams either lol

[Bound]

http://memecenter.com/uploaded/U-Know-my-Favourite-Brand-of-Rice_8a9e5a6cc0738b96fe812afe292e2dcd.jpg

[cyne]

Can you imaging the energy it would need to propel its self to get up to speed (You'd only need to acceleration energy. There isn't any air in space so there's not any friction, so it would be cruising the rest of the way)

I dont think it would be possible for life form to travel at the speed of light, any life form would just be a jelly from the G-Force's applied up on them. Just a wild guess, but maybe if your travelling that fast, you would stretch?



Have a read of this: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread191878/pg1

In theory we can go as fast as we like as long as we are shielded and do not accelerate or decelerate to quickly.

[de51_Hodgey]

I kind of believe in ghosts due to stories my ex's parents told me about these flats they lived in called bemuda mansions, they reckon there was a poltergeist there due to many things happening over the years like there son saying he was playing with his dark friend when there was nobody there.. Also one night the dog was going ballistic barking, then the next morning they found him dead. Also the doors would just slam shut or doors wouldn't open. My ex's dad also got up in the night and started tearing the kitchen apart then the next morning he didn't remember a thing.

There the most honest people you could meet too so I know it's not bullshit

[Heliosphan]

Airplane fuel doesnt even burn hot enough to melt the steel beams either lol

Maybe not but a steel beam will lose it's strength and rigidity when heated well before it 'melts'.

A GCSE text book will tell you that.

[rey]

Maybe not but a steel beam will lose it's strength and rigidity when heated well before it 'melts'.

A GCSE text book will tell you that.

Exactly, the Steel didn't need to be melted, it just needed to be heated to a point where it could no longer support the load upon it.

Which it was over a period of time, which caused the failure.

[holdawayt]

I'll say again.

The amount of planes / ships that have come down in the Bermuda Triangle is no higher than any other stretch of busy water. There's never been any evidence to suggest an abnormal amount of problems there.

Stop going on sites such as "Abovetopsecret" and "whatreallyhappened" etc. Who the fuck do those geeks think they are, and how on earth do they know more than top scientists lol.

Also don't base you're entire views on events such as 9/11 on documentaries such as "loose change". The "evidence" they provided was edited and there's been countless law suits against the writers. The writers eventually admitted their lies.

Pentagon is interesting however.

Ouija boards however I do believe in and have buried my old one after burning it!

[m11ler]

Maybe not but a steel beam will lose it's strength and rigidity when heated well before it 'melts'.

A GCSE text book will tell you that.

Exactly, the Steel didn't need to be melted, it just needed to be heated to a point where it could no longer support the load upon it.

Which it was over a period of time, which caused the failure.

But what im saying is that the steel was melted, beams were still being pulled from the rubble weeks later to be found still dripping molten steel. The fire from jet fuel couldnt burn hot enough to do this, as the melting point of construction steel is around 2,800 farenheit iirc. But explosives, such as thermite, could.

[sarajayne22]

I watch this stuff but I am still not convinced any of this is real... except for ghosts... maybe.

[holdawayt]

But what im saying is that the steel was melted, beams were still being pulled from the rubble weeks later to be found still dripping molten steel. The fire from jet fuel couldnt burn hot enough to do this, as the melting point of construction steel is around 2,800 farenheit iirc. But explosives, such as thermite, could.

Where's your source saying that the steel was still dripping?

[rey]

A conspiracy site probably.

It wasn't molten at all, it was superheated beyond it's particle tolerances and as such lost strength resulting in the failure/twisting of the beams.

This whole conspiracy surrounding it is weak.

[m11ler]

Where's your source saying that the steel was still dripping?

Contractors that were hired to clear up the aftermath-

Mark Lorieux of Controlled Demolition, Inc
Peter Tully, President of Tully Construction

And im in no way a massive conspiracist (sp?), i just enjoy reading about things like this, purely for my own entertainment. Whether its true or not, doesnt bother me lol. I just find it interesting

[holdawayt]

I've done a quick search on their names.

The only sites were conspiracy sites:

911myths
letsrollforums
v911t (veterans for 911 truth, basically geeks making up shit to scare dumbasses)


Much of the same for Peter Tulley (Except an article by the Gaurdian titles "STEEL THEORY IS CRAP"

No statements from the men, no official documents stating that they're correct. Just more conspiracy bull shit.

Some planes crashed into it, the buildings fell. Why people need to create conspiracies is beyond me.


Next.....

[m11ler]

I've done a quick search on their names.

The only sites were:

911myths
letsrollforums
v911t (veterans for 911 truth, basically geeks making up shit to scare dumbasses)


Much of the same for Peter Tulley (Except an article by the Gaurdian titles "STEEL THEORY IS CRAP"


Next.....

lmao! hey as above, i said i find this interesting and entertaining, nothing more lol. Im no conspiracist i just like reading about it

[holdawayt]

Logic Guy - If you can prove me wrong, I'll admit I'm wrong.

But if you link me to another bloody conspiracy site, I'll remain sceptical.

[Stissy]

the bermuda triangle has static and earth magnetic signal problems thats why people disappear there - i cant remember what its called exactly but i'm sure someone can look it up - once you get into that area the earths static that makes your magnetic instruments point back into the center of the area.

so for example if you pass through heading north, once you pass through the middle of the area then your instruments will slowly be turning until they're facing the middle again, which 'looks like' you've gone off course and are heading south, when actually you're going the same way - pilots and ships used to end up going in circles trying to get out but were always pointed back into the middle and so could never leave, eventually ships sank and planes ran out of fuel there - with modern day ships and planes plenty of people have passed through and over the bermuda triangle with no problems at all

as for space going on forever, it doesn't, though it does keep expanding - RE: big bang theory & RE: red shift

as for aliens and shit - no idea

with 911, kerosene would not have to burn hot enough to melt the steel, it would just need to burn long enough and eventually the steel would heat and deform, plus you'd have other things burning there too

the 911 was not a conspiricy, you'd need thousands of people to cover that sort of thing up, and then you'd need none of them to talk, at least one of them would've told their wife/husband or friends, or even in a bar when they're drunk, even the papers would offer them millions for a story like that, and they're suppose to just keep quiet? - and if whoever planned this threatened to kill the people if they said anything then there would be random people disappearing all over the place for accidentally letting it slip out, and how would the people who planned it even knew who let it slip? are they going to keep tabs on everyone for the rest of their lives to make sure they dont give away any 911 secrets? no, the afgans got one over on america and people dont like that so they make up a conspiricy

[holdawayt]

as for space going on forever, it doesn't, though it does keep expanding - RE: big bang theory & RE: red shift

Agree with everything you said, except for this. If it doesn't keep going forever - what happens when you reach the end?

I know our brains aren't programmed to think about stuff like that but it sureley doesn't just stop?

[m11ler]

Agree with everything you said, except for this. If it doesn't keep going forever - what happens when you reach the end?

I know our brains aren't programmed to think about stuff like that but it sureley doesn't just stop?

Thats really fcuked me up thinking about that lol.. What would the end of the universe look like? Just a wall? Or a mirror of where we have already been? Or some kind of loop maybe. Surely it just goes on forever

[Stissy]

Agree with everything you said, except for this. If it doesn't keep going forever - what happens when you reach the end?

I know our brains aren't programmed to think about stuff like that but it sureley doesn't just stop?

brains aren't programmed? what does that mean?
if you're thinking in the grand scale then our brains wern't programmed to build cities, fly in the sky or design and create complicated engineering components or anything like that, humans have taught themselves to do it over years, the only 'programming' we have in our brains is for men to fuck women and kill each other, and for women to protect their own babies

as for space, there is no 'end' - the galaxy and all the planets will keep moving away from each other getting slower and slower until eventually, they stop moving away and start to pull themselves back towards each other again using their own gravitational mass - and we all 'suck' back together and collide in the middle, then we all die - the same way strong nuclear forces work in atoms, only on a bigger scale

[jw1325]

I believe in ghosts etc

I set up and watched a Ouija board once - refused to take part. It was horrible.

I was a resident at college at the time in a big old manor house.

went to sleep one night to wake up to all my perfumes / bottles etc on my shelves turned round to face the back, and all my doors / drawers wide open, including the pull out ones from under my bed.

[holdawayt]

brains aren't programmed? what does that mean?
if you're thinking in the grand scale then our brains wern't programmed to build cities, fly in the sky or design and create complicated engineering components or anything like that, humans have taught themselves to do it over years, the only 'programming' we have in our brains is for men to fuck women and kill each other, and for women to protect their own babies

as for space, there is no 'end' - the galaxy and all the planets will keep moving away from each other getting slower and slower until eventually, they stop moving away and start to pull themselves back towards each other again using their own gravitational mass - and we all 'suck' back together and collide in the middle, then we all die - the same way strong nuclear forces work in atoms, only on a bigger scale

I just meant it's difficult for us to picture it........

[Stissy]

I just meant it's difficult for us to picture it........

oh...
yeah, probably, its difficult enough to think about it

[cyne]

I'll say again.

The amount of planes / ships that have come down in the Bermuda Triangle is no higher than any other stretch of busy water. There's never been any evidence to suggest an abnormal amount of problems there.

Stop going on sites such as "Abovetopsecret" and "whatreallyhappened" etc. Who the fuck do those geeks think they are, and how on earth do they know more than top scientists lol.

Also don't base you're entire views on events such as 9/11 on documentaries such as "loose change". The "evidence" they provided was edited and there's been countless law suits against the writers. The writers eventually admitted their lies.

Pentagon is interesting however.

Ouija boards however I do believe in and have buried my old one after burning it!

The sites I have posted have nothing to do with the bermuda triangle, nor do I think everything written on them is correct. I didn't even read what was on that WRH site, I just used it for the maps. Secondly I could just say stop going on sax-p who do these geeks think they are talking like they are top scientists.

The 9/11 conspiracy isn't about whether or not the building was laced with explosives (it wouldn't matter if it was) it's about who was actually responsible for the planes. As some people think/believe that it was actually the USA so they could create a war in the middle east to gain their natural resources. Seeing as there is no evidence of WMDs this does seem to be possible. Then again this is totally a different topic so I won't go in to detail as I could write about 20 pages on the subject without thinking.

As for space, we will never know, at least not in our life time. In theory there could be billions of universes each with billions of galaxies in them (our universe is supposed to have between 200 and 500 billion galaxies inside it). Honestly thinking about it is a mind fuck, every star you see there could be some form of life looking right back at you and another life form could be looking at them.

[holdawayt]

Have a look at Nazca Lines - interesting shizzle!

My posts were aimed towards Logic Guy, not you Cyne. His thoughts about conspiracies and how the world functions are laughable.

[hellonpluto]

apparantly nazis are living on the dark side of the moon and will return soon to invade.

True story.

[Lacey_106]

I did a really weird ouija board when I was young. The name that came out was Chester. Anyway, later on I had to guess the name of something in order to win this prize, a good deal of cash and a holiday.

I guessed Chester. BOOM. Congratulations. :D

In other news. I won't discount anything until it happens to me. Ghosts, UFO's Triangles and cover ups. You never know.

[Cam]

Thanks for all the feedback again :y::y:

[Heliosphan]

The 9/11 conspiracy isn't about whether or not the building was laced with explosives (it wouldn't matter if it was) it's about who was actually responsible for the planes. As some people think/believe that it was actually the USA so they could create a war in the middle east to gain their natural resources. Seeing as there is no evidence of WMDs this does seem to be possible. Then again this is totally a different topic so I won't go in to detail as I could write about 20 pages on the subject without thinking.

Forget the 20 pages without thinking. Much better to 'think' and summarise your thoughts in a few concise paragraphs.

Do you think the U.S knew about the plot and let it happen or do you think they orchestrated the entire thing.....?

[johnlambert]

there HAS to be another life form somewhere else in the universe!!

i love all this kinda stuff.

anyone got any cool sites to check out?

[Lewis1600]

my head is now fucked thanks to you guys haha

but as most on here...

There has to be something/someone else besides us in the universe...

I honestly think there is another me out there.. same name, same mind, same features etc but maybe with 1 little thing different.. like eye colour or something.. lol

As for ghosts.. i belive in them.. never had a real experience.. but ive seen some crazy shit and heards some crazy shit.

I was staying in my mates flay about 6 months ago.. he had gone to work.. i was in bed till about half 10.. but id woken up about 10 say... my mate had passed the flat in his van about 10ish with his boss and beeped, and said to his boss.. ahh he was in the balcony and started laughing...

but i was in bed and heard the van beep.. but he 100% saw someone standing in the window/balcony of his flat..

and just after i got up.. i was playing xbox in his living room... i kept on seeing what was like a little boy.. looking round the corner of the room.. i actually got up and shouted hello and had a walk round the flat... some weird stuff.. lol

[TechnoBoy1]

apparantly nazis are living on the dark side of the moon and will return soon to invade.

True story.

Come again :S

[GolfJay]

Aliens - As others have said, space goes on forever. It would be ignorant of us to think that there is nothing else out there.

Ghosts - Personally, I'll say I believe in them. When I was about 10 I remember waking up in the night needing the toilet. Got out of bed, turned towards the door and I swear I saw a white figure at my door looking at me. I have no idea how long I was looking at it but in the end, I was that scared that I got back into bed and refused to get out. Needless to say, I pissed the bed rather than getting out again.

[holdawayt]

Aliens - As others have said, space goes on forever. It would be ignorant of us to think that there is nothing else out there.

Ghosts - Personally, I'll say I believe in them. When I was about 10 I remember waking up in the night needing the toilet. Got out of bed, turned towards the door and I swear I saw a white figure at my door looking at me. I have no idea how long I was looking at it but in the end, I was that scared that I got back into bed and refused to get out. Needless to say, I pissed the bed rather than getting out again.

Yeah about that.... Sorry dude i like watching people sleep.

[Keefo]

I believe there is aliens out there, in what ever shape or form there MUST be life out there.

don't believe in ghosts or stuff like that even though i have had weird "sightings" myself.

I just cant believe it at all... its always "ooo its a dead woman/man how died a horrible death blah blah from years and YEARS ago"

always a ghost of someone who died years ago... never the person that died just last week O.o

Did we stop becoming spooky ghosts or something... I WANT A MODERN GHOST.
with house prices like they are i would have though there would be more... if i died i wouldn't want to have spent all that cash and not take it with you lmao

[Cam]

Bit of a bump but anyone had any weird experiences lately?

[tingaling]

I believe there is aliens out there, in what ever shape or form there MUST be life out there.

don't believe in ghosts or stuff like that even though i have had weird "sightings" myself.

I just cant believe it at all... its always "ooo its a dead woman/man how died a horrible death blah blah from years and YEARS ago"

always a ghost of someone who died years ago... never the person that died just last week O.o

Did we stop becoming spooky ghosts or something... I WANT A MODERN GHOST.
with house prices like they are i would have though there would be more... if i died i wouldn't want to have spent all that cash and not take it with you lmao

This made me laugh, modern ghost lol!

I can't say I've ever had any Wierd experiences though, imo ghosts aren't real and I'll continue to believe that unless I see one which is doubtful. I think its all to do with imagination tbh like children having imaginary friends, I'm not saying people imagine them on purpose but your brain can do wierd things, my ex had schizophrenia and said she saw people in the room on occasion although I couldnt see anything.

As for aliens, surely there's other life out there somewhere but who's knows until there's some actual evidence to support it.

[devilsadvocate]

Meh don't believe in any of it.

You stand in any old house at night, you will start to hear noises and see things.

What the eyes see and the ears hear, the mind believes....

UFO means unidentified flying object.....that's anything flying which you cannot identify....why do they have to be Alien spaceships......just more American nutjobs wanting to believe they are about to be probed!

[Coonper]

90% of the ghost experiences in this thread have one phrase in common...

They all begin with "when i was a kid".

Show me a down to earth, 45 year old, male architect, who enjoys cycling, poloitics and fine wine who has seen a ghost.

Most people who see or think they've seen ghosts are kids, people deprived of sleep, people on medication, people who have seen disturbing films which have imprinted images into the brain, people who want to believe in them due to an upsetting death, or people who have had hard lives and encountered lots of traumatic experiences and stress.

Now, the above criteria covers a lot of people (probably me), but as i am such a strong minded person i can see how the above may influence me in strange ways, but refuse to allow it to.

I also don't want it to be true if i'm honest...

[Coonper]

To add to my arguement, some of you believers may like this:

While i was writing my response, when i wrote the sentence "Most people who see or think they've seen ghosts are kids", when i came to review the text, shortly before clicking "post", it actually read "Most people who see or think they've seen ghosts are ghosts".

It sent shivers down my spine and my brain was trying it's hardest to tell me it was a sign from the spitual world.

Bollocks was it, the word ghost it probably the most used word in this topic so for my brain to process that word above any other is very understandable.

Sorry, i've probably lost everyone here! Lol

[Dano]

I've had a few experiences

some nights when im just drifting off to sleep, ill open my eyes ever so slightyly (i dunno why?) and see the shadowy outline of someone standing next to me bed, or looking right in my face (happens every couple of months)

I often swing out to punch / push them away, or kick out in a panic, it doesnt "haunt me" so much that i cant sleep, coz its happened so many times now, but one or two of the memories have stuck with me

Worst being before i moved from my last house, i was soundo asleep, dead to the world, and for no reason i can explain i woke up, there was clearly some one stood in the corner of my room and shouted "DAN!!" and it sounded abit like my brother..

i was home alone at the time, and when i was fully awake in panic, there was no one there......

My Most recent "experiences".. i work in a really old hotel (The oldest hotel in tenby), the work time table goes up on a wall in a corridor that leads from the kitchen to the main bar (where i work) and its not quite wide enough for 2 people to walk side by side in

I was reading the time table to see what hours i had to do next week when i felt a firm push on my lower back, i moved forward abit thinking it was some one walking passed me, and as i looked over my shoulder to see who it was, there was no one in the corridor..

Theres a flat screen TV in the bar, and the remote goes in a little box on the wall above the bar til, its a 4 sided plastic box, nothing can fall out, other day i put the remote in the box after putting the music channel on, turned round to serve a customer, and the remote tumbled down, hit the til and ended up on the floor, as if some one had picked it up and just let go

The customer i was servring said "What the fuck was that?" he saw the remote just drop from the box



paranormal things dont scare me, i just wish i could understand them more :panic:

[delux]

IThe customer i was servering said "What the fuck was that?"

to be honest if you were "servering" me id say alot more that what the fuck

Yes i know thats not how to spell severing either

[Gabbastard]

Saw a UFO with my mate a couple of years ago. We were sitting waiting on our lift at night, and saw this really fast moving very bright light in the sky. My mate obv saw it the same time as he pointed it out. I thought it was a shooting star as it was going so fast, but then it changed direction at right angles twice, instantly, got brighter then disappeared.

Asked my mate what he saw and he saw the exact same. Very weird.

[craig180]

No such thing as ghosts. If there were why don't we see dead cows everywhere? Or dead flies and the ghosts of our dead pets? Because it's something that's been implanted into our heads at a very young age that we are led to believe.

I believe in the physical, real, scientific shizz

UFO's - unlikely, but I wouldn't rule out completely

Crop circles - again can be explained away in a logical way

Bermuda Triangle - a myth brought about because it has an unusually high accident/disappearance rate. Nothing to do with the fact it is a massive expanse of waterwhich parts are the deepest/most violent in the world.

[holdawayt]

The bemuda triangle has a below average disappearance / crash rate compared to most parts of the sea. It's no more dangerous than the English channel. Just a myth.

[Dano]

to be honest if you were "servering" me id say alot more that what the fuck

Yes i know thats not how to spell severing either

Lol typo'd i had typed server.. meant to type serving :panic:

[Cam]

All these conspiracys threads, thought i should bump this.
Any had weird experiences lately?