Does anyone think politics isn't corrupt?

[Ash1711]

One for the clever people of saxp...

Now I know most people probably think politics is corrupt but surely if it was we'd hear a lot more about corruption rather than rumors?

Or do people think the government can control what gets printed in the press so they can keep all the stories quiet?

One thing that makes me think it's all corrupt is drugs. Surely if America and Britain wanted to get rid of drugs they'd go and wipe out all the poppy fields? They've got the technology to spy on people from great heights so surely they have the technology to identify at least 90% of the fields and could wipe them out within a few months or even weeks. And the amount of money they spend on fighting drug crime could be used to just wipe out the fields and save themselves billions over a few years? Or are they reliant upon the drug money and it'd be a disaster for them if the fields were gone?

What are your views on this?

[Hatcha]

American prisons rely on drug offences to maintain the number of inmates, to make a profit, as they make $50,000 per inmate per year from the state. Same story over here.

There's more black people in prison in America for 'minor drug offences' than all inmates for rape, murder and armed robbery put together.

[Piggie]

Watch an old gangster film. Godfather for example.

Don Carleone was the most influential because of the political power he had. I know its a film but most are based upon true events and true people. American Gangster is another that shows how bad the police force in America got!

If corruption was a lie how would the mafia have ever existed ?

Then there's the Watergate tapes which everyone knows about. And that is just a couple of examples that leapt to mind first........

It's so obvious i can't believe people don't see it

[rick_VTR]

If we wiped out all the poppy fields in all the foriegn countrys, it would be a disaster for those countries.
Take afghanistan for instance, alot of the cocain from their poppy fields ends up in the uk/us, but we cant destroy all the fields, because its their only major income, and the uk is trying to become friends with the afghan people and help them, they would all die basicaly if we destroyed the poppy fields, as its there only income from which they live on.
Im sure this is the same in some of the other countries with large amounts of poppy fields.

[holdawayt]

Can someone please explain Watergate to me? I've wiki'd it and it hurt my brain so I stopped. In basic terms please, my mind is fried and I can't hack being an engineer today :(

[Piggie]

Can someone please explain Watergate to me? I've wiki'd it and it hurt my brain so I stopped. In basic terms please, my mind is fried and I can't hack being an engineer today :(

Its hard for me to explain it and i know it well lol.

Basically President Nixon used secret white house tapes to record peoples conversations in the oval office.

He was going to be found out so had them deleted. Then claimed it wasn't illegal because he was President!!!! (Not corrupt????)

He was then forced to show them to the world and resigned before being given a presidential pardon of the next president to keep him out of jail!

That any better pal? Lmao :geek:

Watch Frost- Nixon its a good film about the journalist who interviewed him and tried to get him to stand trial :y:

[holdawayt]

That actually cleared it up mate cheers! So that's why Nixon has such a bad rep.

[Piggie]

That actually cleared it up mate cheers! So that's why Nixon has such a bad rep.

:y: no problem lol.
And if that doesn't prove that politicians are corrupt bastards what the hell can?

Voted worst president ever countless times. George Bush is second the stupid cunt

[KamRacing]

One for the clever people of saxp...

Now I know most people probably think politics is corrupt but surely if it was we'd hear a lot more about corruption rather than rumors?

Or do people think the government can control what gets printed in the press so they can keep all the stories quiet?

One thing that makes me think it's all corrupt is drugs. Surely if America and Britain wanted to get rid of drugs they'd go and wipe out all the poppy fields? They've got the technology to spy on people from great heights so surely they have the technology to identify at least 90% of the fields and could wipe them out within a few months or even weeks. And the amount of money they spend on fighting drug crime could be used to just wipe out the fields and save themselves billions over a few years? Or are they reliant upon the drug money and it'd be a disaster for them if the fields were gone?

What are your views on this?

politicians make far more misjudgements from lack of knowledge and experience. Joe bloggs the politician has what financial or military training to run the department? Exactly....

American prisons rely on drug offences to maintain the number of inmates, to make a profit, as they make $50,000 per inmate per year from the state. Same story over here.

There's more black people in prison in America for 'minor drug offences' than all inmates for rape, murder and armed robbery put together.

more people will do minor drug offences than murder

If we wiped out all the poppy fields in all the foriegn countrys, it would be a disaster for those countries.
Take afghanistan for instance, alot of the cocain from their poppy fields ends up in the uk/us, but we cant destroy all the fields, because its their only major income, and the uk is trying to become friends with the afghan people and help them, they would all die basicaly if we destroyed the poppy fields, as its there only income from which they live on.
Im sure this is the same in some of the other countries with large amounts of poppy fields.

They did try to destroy poppy fields in Afghanistan. Probably still are. Its a stupid idea to. Sort the issue at home. Legalise class A drugs from official government outlets funded by cheap bulk purchases and HMRC drugs busts. Lower the price until its not profitable for gangs, then force all people who need the drugs to be registered, tagged and go through counselling to get them off the drugs. Its certainly not moral, but it controls the trade and could make a lot of money for the treasury.

Heres another idea. All public owned transport should not pay fuel duty. Then cheap travel would get people out of their cars. The only reason public transport is so expensive is because its privately owned, needs to make a profit, and the government wants people to buy cars and the tax to run them..

[Ash1711]

so what happens when everyone who got hooked on drugs eventually come off drugs because of counselling? it wont happen, look at smoking, free counselling sessions but people choose to smoke anyway, and if it was ever made illegal there would be a backlash!

if drugs were to be made illegal again after your plan then criminals would just make more as there would be a higher demand, no offence but your plan needs some work lol.

[Jo3fish]

American prisons rely on drug offences to maintain the number of inmates, to make a profit, as they make $50,000 per inmate per year from the state. Same story over here.

There's more black people in prison in America for 'minor drug offences' than all inmates for rape, murder and armed robbery put together.

Lyrics y0 ;)

[Hatcha]

more people will do minor drug offences than murder

Although true, have we seen a decrease in the amount of drug offences? No, we've seen an increase. Is that because drugs have become more accesible even though the supposed laws have been tightened and the import business has been addressed? Bullshit.
The government relies on these crimes, and constantly build more prisons to contain people to make money off them.

This is why weed will never be legalised, even though at the end of the day, its a plant, and obviously has good effects as it can be presicribed, and also its no worse than alcohol.

Lyrics y0 ;)

;) also the truth :P

[Ash1711]

surely the government would make more money if weed WAS legalised, all the tax on the weed and extra jobs that would be created again with people paying tax, unemployment numbers would fall so it would get people off benefits, again saving the government money... are there any disadvantages to legalising it?

[Piggie]

surely the government would make more money if weed WAS legalised, all the tax on the weed and extra jobs that would be created again with people paying tax, unemployment numbers would fall so it would get people off benefits, again saving the government money... are there any disadvantages to legalising it?

Not that i know. Been to Amsterdam a few times and bar the prostitutes it has a good economy, lots of jobs etc etc. Even the young people who i spoke to dont abuse weed because they've aloud to do it. They smoke it often but not excessively

But if you read my sig youll see im very biased lol :homme:

[KamRacing]

so what happens when everyone who got hooked on drugs eventually come off drugs because of counselling? it wont happen, look at smoking, free counselling sessions but people choose to smoke anyway, and if it was ever made illegal there would be a backlash!

if drugs were to be made illegal again after your plan then criminals would just make more as there would be a higher demand, no offence but your plan needs some work lol.

You will never get rid of drugs. Thats a fact. But theres a way to control the supply, monitor who is taking drugs, lower crime, and make some serious money.
You dont go this route if you have a doubt. If you are going to backtrack then it would be an interesting fallout, but it would go back to the way it is now.

If you had to sign up your details, get checked out by the police, forced to go to councelling and basically tell a lot of people you wanted to take drugs would you bother? I wouldnt. I have better things to do. I have to go to an authorised place, go through the red tape and faff and suddenly its not a quick high but something which requires planning and forthough. Easier to go to the pub and get pissed.
If I am a drugs addict i've got no choice and will sign up anyway. I will then be known and the right resources can be provided.
The plan needs no extra work. Its low in morals, treads on interesting ground and is currently illegal but those are minor matters :D

[KamRacing]

Although true, have we seen a decrease in the amount of drug offences? No, we've seen an increase. Is that because drugs have become more accesible even though the supposed laws have been tightened and the import business has been addressed? Bullshit.
The government relies on these crimes, and constantly build more prisons to contain people to make money off them.

This is why weed will never be legalised, even though at the end of the day, its a plant, and obviously has good effects as it can be presicribed, and also its no worse than alcohol.



;) also the truth :P

you do realise you are talking about america rather than the uk. Here in the UK they just sap our taxes.

[Hatcha]

you do realise you are talking about america rather than the uk. Here in the UK they just sap our taxes.

Same thing really, its just cutting out the middle man.
Either way its not right.

[KamRacing]

Same thing really, its just cutting out the middle man.
Either way its not right.

From what I can see is there are a lot of privately controlled prisons in the US who favour small time criminals as they are cheap (and the company needs to make a profit). All the expensive and hardcore ones go in state prison. (either way theres a drain on government resources) I cannot see where the conspiracy is?
In the UK we have a few private prisons but the majority are run by the state. Again there is no monetary gain except to a few private companies.

How is the government and politicians making money here?

In the uk it was easy to just fiddle expenses and take backhanders and bribes for raising questions in parliament. Civil servants then are alleged to take bribes for certain contracts or just blow money on their taxpayer paid credit cards. Sticking a black male in jail for a petty drugs crime does not make a politician rich..They save money with lack of social care for americas poor (namely black and hispanic) who then cannot get jobs, education and resort to crime such as drugs to survive.

[b0t13]

dont forget people that the people in power look after themselves, friends, POLITICAL CONTRIBUTERS and the rich,

everyone else (ie general population) comes second/last, how have the banks got away with FAT bonuses and fucking stuff up with noone getting nailed for it? because the tories are bankrolled by them...

everything is backhanders and favours, the only way to win is being in with the crowd..

now go back to work you fucking creatures and pay more taxes whilst you moan about it and do nothing but bend over ;)

[devilsadvocate]

Not all politics is corrupt but some of it definitely is, not just in central government but also local as well.

Politicians basically say and do things for thier own image, in order to keep their job for as long as possible.

You don't get high up in this world without knowing someone higher than you. People get where they are in politics due to the influence of more powerful people, it's a fact of life.

All governments have corruption somewhere, some more than others but they all do in one way or another.

The government of this and other countries are run just like any other business, to make money. The money they make goes on public spending which includes their salaries, expenses and bonuses etc. They make money in the form of taxes, which is why they won't ban things like fags or alcohol and also why they increase the price of petrol tax etc etc etc etc....

[makaveli144]

You don't get high up in this world without knowing someone higher than you. People get where they are in politics due to the influence of more powerful people, it's a fact of life.

All governments have corruption somewhere, some more than others but they all do in one way or another.

The murdoch case is a perfect example, they all sucked up to him to gain his support in the media.

The government is undoubtedly corrupt in my opinion, they are essentially puppets whose strings are pulled by the ultra wealthy.

[Heliosphan]

If you only read the tabloid papers you might be tempted to think that the UK is corrupt on a level akin to your average Central American country, it's just not the case.

I don't believe that the UK is inherently corrupt although corruption very clearly does exist and not just in politics.

You can never fully legislate against corruption amongst individuals never mind human nature. However, you can determine how corruption is dealt with and this is clearly what draws a distinction between a proper democratic, civilised society and a corrupt one.

[simmo]

Lmao at the people saying legalise drugs etc etc..

Think anyones gonna sign up and get checked for a bag of weed or a few disco biscuits?
And that wouldnt make poeple think its too much hastle and give up.

There still gonna go round the corner to there mate dave n get it straight away. Thats why theyd never legalise it. They simply cant control it.

[shell-vt]

politics, well there,s one,. corruption is world wide,.

[KamRacing]

Lmao at the people saying legalise drugs etc etc..

Think anyones gonna sign up and get checked for a bag of weed or a few disco biscuits?
And that wouldnt make poeple think its too much hastle and give up.

There still gonna go round the corner to there mate dave n get it straight away. Thats why theyd never legalise it. They simply cant control it.

the whole point would be that people will not give up drugs but to gain more control and money. People will shop where its cheapest unless they have plenty of cash. Its simple business

[KamRacing]

The murdoch case is a perfect example, they all sucked up to him to gain his support in the media.

The government is undoubtedly corrupt in my opinion, they are essentially puppets whose strings are pulled by the ultra wealthy.

sucking up is not corruption. To be corrupt you have to be doing something illegal. Theres morally dubious deeds that are done all the time but corruption is an overreaction for most.