BBC3 9/11 Conspiracy Road Trip

[Bound]

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=281685775178224

Was fun.

[blackie_2k5]

this has been on in the background while ive been on net

fucking very true(tards), briefly flicked in/out

and i also seen it was "impossible" for them to make calls from that high then.... but IMO if they managed to get that fucking plane in the air and missioning about in the first place, the last thing they need to worry about is ppl making calls to loved ones

[mlawlan69]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b014gpjx/hd/9_11_Conspiracy_Road_Trip/

linky here.

im gunna watch it now :)

[blackie_2k5]

thermite explosion i think was rigged, that stuff bunrs through anything!

[rey]

Read this:

http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm

[yeahbuddy]

It was all terrorists end of, what would of happened if it was the goverment over there and they got found out, no country would have one if it was true.

It was Osama Bin Laden the lanky prick

[holdawayt]

If any of you are on Edition38 find the 9/11 thread. So much information that disproves these retarded theories.

[craig180]

I also saw this and wondered if they took the most spasticated theorists they could find!

I believe in conspiracy theories and to a certain extent I could believe that governments had a hand in the highjackings but the physical stuff that we saw with our own eyes did actually happen! There is no way any if this could be disproved

[holdawayt]

The general consensus on the edition thread is:

- Building 7 was suspicious, no planes had hit and it came down due to fire
- Conspiracy theorists alter quotes, make up scientific claims and never, EVER choose to believe anything else.
- We will never know the truth behind any of it. JFK has had conspiracy theories circulating for years. Some of them credible. But are we any wiser?

If for some messed up reason the government were involved (I don't believe this for a second) we won't find out, so really it's a good discussion point but not a lot else unfortunately!

[e8_pqck]

and money, i like the banking conspiracy theories.

"Let us control the money of a nation, and we care not who makes its laws"

[stinkycheese]

I'd have choked that gobby bitch unconscious within the first 20 minutes of the trip.

[lillocky]

that Charlotte woman was was acting like a right bitch i thought

[PJN]

More Retards :clapping:.

I've learnt some useful facts, apparently it was "scientifically impossible to make a phone call from a plane in 2001 " according to one of these brain damaged hippies.

Asian bloke and 'Charlotte' are a waste of oxygen.

Good entertainment.

In all fairness, most US planes had seatback phones until 9/11 to make phone calls from in the air, so it can't be that scientifically impossible!

[Ben121290]

It was all terrorists end of, what would of happened if it was the goverment over there and they got found out, no country would have one if it was true.

It was Osama Bin Laden the lanky prick

In complete agreement with this. What government would kill there own people just to start a war. America could start a war for any reason it wants so why have to kill their own

[jharrington]

This remarkable, insightful and well balanced, documentary should lay to rest once and for all, the countless conspiracy crackpot theories out there, and show 911 for what it really was, an attack on OUR free world, end of story!
I am sick and tired of these disrespectful, nosy pinheads trying to dispute the 'official government account' of what happened. Why would the US government want to lie to us? I don't want to hear about CIA 'Black Operations' knowledgeable about the terrorist intentions, tracking them closely, and even coluding, for months prior to the attack, PATHETIC!. That these 'Black Op', teams wired 'Building 7' (the 3rd building to collapse that day), secretly, with demolition explosives in the months before, knowing that they could PULL (Implode) the building in the mayhem and confusion of the other towers coming down, RIDICULOUS!. FOR WHAT END? All that was in 'Building 7' was, The Department of Defense (DOD) and Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC), hardly the type of organisations that would want to extinguish a paper trail and cover their tracks.

None of these conspiracy arguments hold water, and anyway, why would the government want to kill three thousand people??? So they could get massive world wide public to support for an occupation of Iraq? RUBBISH! WHY invade Iraq? To gain control of its oil supply, HOGWASH!! The last time I checked, the world has plenty of oil, there is NO sign of reserves passing, or even nearing 'Peak oil', now or anytime in the future. Again complete Looney Tunes.

Get a life you conspiracy loosers, you should be diagnosed certifiably insane and locked away ! Remember, the American Empire are the GOOD GUYS!!.

If you want a good laugh, check out these pathetic conspiracy websites :
http://rememberbuilding7.org/ Remember Building 7
http://www.ae911truth.org/ Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth

[Matty16v]

In complete agreement with this. What government would kill there own people just to start a war. America could start a war for any reason it wants so why have to kill their own

Which is a fair point, however I think America knew about the attacks and did nothing to stop them, this then being the reason to start a war. I can't be 100% in saying this as can nobody, but to have one of the hijackers to rent an apartment from a police informant? Your having a laugh in all honesty:clapping:

[Matty16v]

This remarkable, insightful and well balanced, documentary should lay to rest once and for all, the countless conspiracy crackpot theories out there, and show 911 for what it really was, an attack on OUR free world, end of story!
I am sick and tired of these disrespectful, nosy pinheads trying to dispute the 'official government account' of what happened. Why would the US government want to lie to us? I don't want to hear about CIA 'Black Operations' knowledgeable about the terrorist intentions, tracking them closely, and even coluding, for months prior to the attack, PATHETIC!. That these 'Black Op', teams wired 'Building 7' (the 3rd building to collapse that day), secretly, with demolition explosives in the months before, knowing that they could PULL (Implode) the building in the mayhem and confusion of the other towers coming down, RIDICULOUS!. FOR WHAT END? All that was in 'Building 7' was, The Department of Defense (DOD) and Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC), hardly the type of organisations that would want to extinguish a paper trail and cover their tracks.

None of these conspiracy arguments hold water, and anyway, why would the government want to kill three thousand people??? So they could get massive world wide public to support for an occupation of Iraq? RUBBISH! WHY invade Iraq? To gain control of its oil supply, HOGWASH!! The last time I checked, the world has plenty of oil, there is NO sign of reserves passing, or even nearing 'Peak oil', now or anytime in the future. Again complete Looney Tunes.

Get a life you conspiracy loosers, you should be diagnosed certifiably insane and locked away ! Remember, the American Empire are the GOOD GUYS!!.

If you want a good laugh, check out these pathetic conspiracy websites :
http://rememberbuilding7.org/ Remember Building 7
http://www.ae911truth.org/ Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth

Nice first post?..

[PJN]

This remarkable, insightful and well balanced, documentary should lay to rest once and for all, the countless conspiracy crackpot theories out there, and show 911 for what it really was, an attack on OUR free world, end of story!
I am sick and tired of these disrespectful, nosy pinheads trying to dispute the 'official government account' of what happened. Why would the US government want to lie to us? I don't want to hear about CIA 'Black Operations' knowledgeable about the terrorist intentions, tracking them closely, and even coluding, for months prior to the attack, PATHETIC!. That these 'Black Op', teams wired 'Building 7' (the 3rd building to collapse that day), secretly, with demolition explosives in the months before, knowing that they could PULL (Implode) the building in the mayhem and confusion of the other towers coming down, RIDICULOUS!. FOR WHAT END? All that was in 'Building 7' was, The Department of Defense (DOD) and Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC), hardly the type of organisations that would want to extinguish a paper trail and cover their tracks.

None of these conspiracy arguments hold water, and anyway, why would the government want to kill three thousand people??? So they could get massive world wide public to support for an occupation of Iraq? RUBBISH! WHY invade Iraq? To gain control of its oil supply, HOGWASH!! The last time I checked, the world has plenty of oil, there is NO sign of reserves passing, or even nearing 'Peak oil', now or anytime in the future. Again complete Looney Tunes.

Get a life you conspiracy loosers, you should be diagnosed certifiably insane and locked away ! Remember, the American Empire are the GOOD GUYS!!.

If you want a good laugh, check out these pathetic conspiracy websites :
http://rememberbuilding7.org/ Remember Building 7
http://www.ae911truth.org/ Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth

Lets not get ahead of ourselves and call the americans the good guys, there just as bad at times...

[Tringaling]

Lets not get ahead of ourselves and call the americans the good guys, there just as bad at times...

he sounds like one of them lol

[vtr02]

imo i think the government may have been aware of a terrorist attack but they probably believed it was not going to be the scale that 9/11 was

if you stood up on 10th sept 2001 and said dont go to work some terrorists are going to be flown into them they would have locked you up and thought you were mental, America opinion was who would be that stupid to do such a thing and there had not really been an attack on the states apart from 1993 then in one day there was 4-5 attacks

EDIT : that asian bloke and charlotte who the hell did they think they were? a mother who recieved a phone call from her son to say im going to die i love you then loose him and have no tangible evidence of his death was calm and some stupid stuck up cow has a conspiracy theory, i know who should be angry at the government and it aint the english lass!

[Tringaling]

imo i think the government may have been aware of a terrorist attack but they probably believed it was not going to be the scale that 9/11 was

if you stood up on 10th sept 2001 and said dont go to work some terrorists are going to be flown into them they would have locked you up and thought you were mental, America opinion was who would be that stupid to do such a thing and there had not really been an attack on the states apart from 1993 then in one day there was 4-5 attacks

They were aware, it states it that in August if not before they had an informant give evidence but they chose to ignore it...

[vtr02]

They were aware, it states it that in August if not before they had an informant give evidence but they chose to ignore it...

do you think though they had the evidence to suggest the scale of the attack/ i think if they did they wouldn't have let it happen, my opinion is they believed another bombing as who would be mental to put a plane in a building :panic:

[desire1]

"Asian bloke and 'Charlotte' are a waste of oxygen."
so ture they both need a slap!:boxing:

[holdawayt]

Put yourself in their position.

Say you're responsible for transport in the USA. You recieve a warning that states "There might be a terrorist attack soon, but specifics are unknown".(along those lines)

Ok so you've been warned but what the hell are you meant to do? Ground all planes and stop all trains until the "Threat" has cleared? And evacuate every office in New York just because of a threat?

What exactly were they meant to do with the warning?

[vtr02]

Put yourself in their position.

Say you're responsible for transport in the USA. You recieve a warning that states "There might be a terrorist attack soon, but specifics are unknown".(along those lines)

Ok so you've been warned but what the hell are you meant to do? Ground all planes and stop all trains until the "Threat" has cleared? And evacuate every office in New York just because of a threat?

What exactly were they meant to do with the warning?

+1 unfortunately if someone is so determined to commit an act of terror against a country then you either arrest them (may not be enough evidence), hope they see sense, or hope they don't have the skills to pull of the act

[Ben121290]

Plus one jumping on the charlotte and asian man band wagon. Pair of wangs were never going to believe anything said

[stinkycheese]

Btw the US Government would be more than willing to sacrifice their own to ensure the country backed their war. Just sayin.

[Bound]

Hi guys.

Just got back from trolling

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[JoshB]

I'm sorry, but in all my years of engineering there is no way those building should have fallen down from a point of destruction that high up.

And when the New York Times won the court case to release all the emergency services interviews taken after 9/11, some of the statements made by the fire servicemen...

"I heard boom boom boom, just like one of those controlled explosions you see on television"

"Then I heard a loud explosion, and the tower started coming down, I thought it was the second plane hitting, but then when I saw it all on TV, that the south tower had already been hit... I still dont know what that explosion was to this day"

And the government didnt lose the court case until 2006, 5 years after the attack. Why hide those witness statements for so long?

When you look at how tight the money men of the Bin Laden family were with the American government, it makes perfect sense why something like this would happen.

Personally, I believe the conspiracy theory and honestly do think the American government had a hand in the destruction of the towers.

[Bound]

How many people have ever heard an explosion?

Not many. So how do they know what it sounds like.. To most people any loud sharp bang is an explosion.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9072062020229593250

[mlawlan69]

I'm sorry, but in all my years of engineering there is no way those building should have fallen down from a point of destruction that high up.

And when the New York Times won the court case to release all the emergency services interviews taken after 9/11, some of the statements made by the fire servicemen...

"I heard boom boom boom, just like one of those controlled explosions you see on television"

"Then I heard a loud explosion, and the tower started coming down, I thought it was the second plane hitting, but then when I saw it all on TV, that the south tower had already been hit... I still dont know what that explosion was to this day"

And the government didnt lose the court case until 2006, 5 years after the attack. Why hide those witness statements for so long?

When you look at how tight the money men of the Bin Laden family were with the American government, it makes perfect sense why something like this would happen.

Personally, I believe the conspiracy theory and honestly do think the American government had a hand in the destruction of the towers.

i do too.

i THINK the American government were in some way involved with this, anybody that believes they were/are not willing to sacrifice 3000 people for the opportunity to invade Iraq for the oil, power is completely dillusional.

the other thing that makes me laugh is that the number one worlds wanted man (osama) they proclaim to have killed, back in may? with no evidence, and that they threw his body in the sea i dont fucking think so!!!!

he is now living a life of riley somewhere paid for by the American government, they used him as a scapegoat to feed their lies.

/true

[Bound]

i do too.

i THINK the American government were in some way involved with this, anybody that believes they were/are not willing to sacrifice 3000 people for the opportunity to invade Iraq for the oil, power is completely dillusional.

the other thing that makes me laugh is that the number one worlds wanted man (osama) they proclaim to have killed, back in may? with no evidence, and that they threw his body in the sea i dont fucking think so!!!!

he is now living a life of riley somewhere paid for by the American government, they used him as a scapegoat to feed their lies.

/true

All it would take is for Bin Laden to release a video tape in 6 months time holding up a copy of the days newspaper and the US are severely discredited. This won't happen, because he's dead. Do you seriously think they would not think about that?

[CC06NBA]

I'm sorry, but in all my years of engineering there is no way those building should have fallen down from a point of destruction that high up.

And when the New York Times won the court case to release all the emergency services interviews taken after 9/11, some of the statements made by the fire servicemen...

"I heard boom boom boom, just like one of those controlled explosions you see on television"

"Then I heard a loud explosion, and the tower started coming down, I thought it was the second plane hitting, but then when I saw it all on TV, that the south tower had already been hit... I still dont know what that explosion was to this day"

And the government didnt lose the court case until 2006, 5 years after the attack. Why hide those witness statements for so long?

When you look at how tight the money men of the Bin Laden family were with the American government, it makes perfect sense why something like this would happen.

Personally, I believe the conspiracy theory and honestly do think the American government had a hand in the destruction of the towers.

i agree

[PSPDan]

Can't be arsed to read the thread but I did see the programme and these conspiracy theorists are a bunch of fucking mongs. Talk about selective hearing...

[holdawayt]

http://www.edition38.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=403522&st=0

Read it, you might have to join up but do it anyway. Read every page then decide for yourself.

All of the major conspiracies have been debunked, btw the "Bang bang bang" that was reported was the floors collapsing down onto one another.

[blackie_2k5]

i like a good conspiracy, but after watching that sort of last night, i dont believe that was at all tbh

although i do still wonder why the US government allowed those planes to get into the areas they did without having them shot down...

[Bound]

http://www.edition38.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=403522&st=0

Read it, you might have to join up but do it anyway. Read every page then decide for yourself.

All of the major conspiracies have been debunked, btw the "Bang bang bang" that was reported was the floors collapsing down onto one another.

Link doesn't work for me mate.

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[Heliosphan]

i do too.

i THINK the American government were in some way involved with this, anybody that believes they were/are not willing to sacrifice 3000 people for the opportunity to invade Iraq for the oil, power is completely dillusional.

the other thing that makes me laugh is that the number one worlds wanted man (osama) they proclaim to have killed, back in may? with no evidence, and that they threw his body in the sea i dont fucking think so!!!!

he is now living a life of riley somewhere paid for by the American government, they used him as a scapegoat to feed their lies.

/true


So you think that the U.S government either hired or knowingly allowed 4 nobs to fly planes into buildings causing the deaths of 3000 people, blamed it on Osama Bin Laden, waited 10 years, faked his death and now they're paying him to keep quiet?

Faked his death in your view, despite:

The Americans themselves saying he's dead
The Pakistanis saying he's dead.
Al Qaeda saying he's dead.
His family saying he's dead.

All either lying or paid up by the U.S I suppose.

What planet are you on?

[Heliosphan]

And when the New York Times won the court case to release all the emergency services interviews taken after 9/11, some of the statements made by the fire servicemen...

"I heard boom boom boom, just like one of those controlled explosions you see on television"

"Then I heard a loud explosion, and the tower started coming down, I thought it was the second plane hitting, but then when I saw it all on TV, that the south tower had already been hit... I still dont know what that explosion was to this day"

Loud explosions and booms just before a building nearly 1400 feet high was about to collapse?

No shit.

Off the top of my head how about beams snapping, whole floors droppping, windows blowing out, electrics exploding, etc.

Anything could have caused a loud bang when you consider the stress and weight of the structure.

[Bound]

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[dondan]

I'm in New York ATM and it's quite scary with everything on the news, car checks/road blockades. Everyone seems to be very wary, the extra precautions the police are taking are deinately welcome but are making me feel quite nervous about tomorrow- my hotel is on Times Square :s.

[stinkycheese]

Can or has anyone explained how the BBC reported the collapse of Tower 7 before it fell?

[saxo-parts]

no-one even mentioned the pod shape object that appears to be attached to the belly of one of the planes that went into the towers? Surprising really,thats the only thing that doesn't tally true or have any explanation to me. Never seen anything like it on a civil airliner before

[Heliosphan]

Can or has anyone explained how the BBC reported the collapse of Tower 7 before it fell?

I'm not sure there is an explanation, it was just misreported.

But wasn't it confirmed or suggested that WTC7 was expected to collapse well before it actually did? If so, you can see how this has the potential to be mixed up.

One thing I'm certain of is that to think for one second the media (in this case the BBC) were in some way involved is ridiculous on a monumental scale. Can you just imagine a US government official calling up the BBC to explain the whole scam? What would they have to gain by involving the media?

no-one even mentioned the pod shape object that appears to be attached to the belly of one of the planes that went into the towers? Surprising really,thats the only thing that doesn't tally true or have any explanation to me. Never seen anything like it on a civil airliner before

Probably because the pod shaped object never existed. Dodgy photography? Optical illusion? I haven't got the answer. Maybe footage and other photos prove beyond doubt that there was no "pod"?

Whatever the answer, you'd imagine it would be epically stupid to have a large conspicuous object attached to the plane if it were anything to do with an "inside job".

[holdawayt]

The "pod shaped object" was an issue raised by the bloke who wrote "Loose change". He later removed it from his other videos. It was just a camera mishap, lighting and shading made it look like there was something attached.

[holdawayt]

Link doesn't work for me mate.

Ah, you'll need to join up to read it then.

[Graeme]

Hahaha at the people sticking up for the US government in this thread!

I believe it was the us government that did it! All the reasons are there!

Can anyone explain why the hole in the pentagon wasn't big enough?and why there was no plane found at the "crash" site? And to also why all the CCTV from near by went missing?

[saxo-parts]

The "pod shaped object" was an issue raised by the bloke who wrote "Loose change". He later removed it from his other videos. It was just a camera mishap, lighting and shading made it look like there was something attached.

cheers for that, was the only thing i'd had doubts about

[Heliosphan]

Hahaha at the people sticking up for the US government in this thread!

I believe it was the us government that did it! All the reasons are there!

Can anyone explain why the hole in the pentagon wasn't big enough?and why there was no plane found at the "crash" site? And to also why all the CCTV from near by went missing?

No one is "sticking up" for the US, people are just making statements based on rationale, facts and logic, unlike yourself.

CCTV footage was taken because presumably the FBI were investigating a major crime scene. Why on earth wouldn't they take it? To be honest, I wish they would release more footage because it'd shut up people like you.

No plane at the site? Are you joking? There are pictures readily available all over the internet showing all kinds of wreckage consistent with that kind of aircraft. Luggage was found. Body parts were found. DNA tests have been done which match that of the passengers. How did all this stuff get there and where are these people now if they aren't all dead?

Why wasn't the hole big enough? It's gross stupidy to even imagine that a hollow aluminium object could punch it's exact size into a reinforced concrete wall. Even the angle of strike would have an effect on the hole size and computer simulations have been built to prove it.

[Bound]

Hahaha at the people sticking up for the US government in this thread!

I believe it was the us government that did it! All the reasons are there!

Can anyone explain why the hole in the pentagon wasn't big enough?and why there was no plane found at the "crash" site? And to also why all the CCTV from near by went missing?

You do realise the real world isn't tom and jerry right? Did you expect a perfect silhouette of the plane?

[holdawayt]

Not to mention the black boxes found....

But seriously now, if you don't believe the plane hit the pentagon wtf do you think happened to the people involved? Or are they on witness protection living in Libya funded by the freemasons?

[saxo-parts]

Think someone needs to go and look and see just how spectacularly an airliner comes apart when it hits something soft,let alone all the metal supporting pillars in a building. It'd be like feeding it into a multi-blade guillotine,slice,dice and chop.

[JoshB]

Loud explosions and booms just before a building nearly 1400 feet high was about to collapse?

No shit.

Off the top of my head how about beams snapping, whole floors droppping, windows blowing out, electrics exploding, etc.

Anything could have caused a loud bang when you consider the stress and weight of the structure.

These are statements given by the fire department. People who deal with fire and explosions on a daily basis.

If the tower had collapsed due to temperatures that never exceeded the stress point of the high tensile steel used for the construction of the towers, the floors collapsing one on top of the other, why werent the core steel support structures, running through the middle of the structure still standing? Why was the scrap metal removed from the site in a matter of days? Why are these the only sky scrapers in history that have collapsed due to a plane collision? Why is there photographs of the collapse showing fire blowing out of the windows on the 20th floor, 60 floors below the point of impact?

I'm not trying to prove the conspiracy, I just believe that there are too many un-answered questions, that refused to get answered.

[holdawayt]

These are statements given by the fire department. People who deal with fire and explosions on a daily basis.

If the tower had collapsed due to temperatures that never exceeded the stress point of the high tensile steel used for the construction of the towers, the floors collapsing one on top of the other, why werent the core steel support structures, running through the middle of the structure still standing? Why was the scrap metal removed from the site in a matter of days? Why are these the only sky scrapers in history that have collapsed due to a plane collision? Why is there photographs of the collapse showing fire blowing out of the windows on the 20th floor, 60 floors below the point of impact?

I'm not trying to prove the conspiracy, I just believe that there are too many un-answered questions, that refused to get answered.


It's late and im on my phone so not going into much detail. But the metal, rubble etc was there for months. Bodies were being discovered 3 months after the attack.

The "explosions" were the roofs coming down onto the floor I imagine.

As interesting as it would be to have this massive government cover up, its extremely hard to believe and we'll never know for sure. One thought though, if the towers were laced with explosives, why the need for planes? Surely you'd just demolish them using the explosives and blame it on suicide bombers.

[stinkycheese]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98&feature=feedu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uT7kcAu4i8

9/11 in under 5 minutes.

[stinkycheese]

Hai Bound ;-)

[holdawayt]

Seriously, if people want to read into this topic a bit join up on edition and click that link I posted before.

It's a long read but almost everybody that believed the conspiracies at the start have now realised how stupid they (the conspiracies) are.

The truth is, it's far more interesting to read into conspiracies than the truth. It's all very Hollywood and the fact that the Government will never change their official statement makes it all the more interesting because theorists can make up what ever they like without being challenged.

But please ffs, don't just watch "Loose change" On Youtube and instantly become an expert. The amount of Mis-quotes and false claims in that movie is ridiculous. He's even had to make 5 versions since the original to keep it sounding vaugley plausable.

[Tringaling]

There will never be a true outcome of this story EVER..

[holdawayt]

There will never be a true outcome of this story EVER..

Completely agree, people can discuss it for years to come. The 100% truth will never be known. I don't believe every aspect of the Official Statement given by the Government because there are inconsistencies. However to believe that no planes were crashed into the Pentagon, Flight 93 didn't exist and there were explosives in the tower is simply ridiculous. Where are all the passengers if that was the case lol? And why bother crashing 2 planes into the towers if you've already got explosives in place.

[JoshB]

Completely agree, people can discuss it for years to come. The 100% truth will never be known. I don't believe every aspect of the Official Statement given by the Government because there are inconsistencies. However to believe that no planes were crashed into the Pentagon, Flight 93 didn't exist and there were explosives in the tower is simply ridiculous. Where are all the passengers if that was the case lol? And why bother crashing 2 planes into the towers if you've already got explosives in place.

Multiple explosives going off in a perfectly controlled manner, a terrorist attack? They wouldnt get away with a "security glitch" on that one, they needed a larger catalyst.

When the south tower got hit though, the plane exited through the side and all the fuel burnt up in seconds. Thats just not enough of a collision to bring down a tower of that size.

The central columns should have been still standing, the floors falling one on top of the other would have condensed on the central columns at one point and the building would have toppled over, not come straight down.
Years of watching Fred Dibnah before those towers came down, and it looked like the same thing to me.

Something else brought those towers down. Not just the planes crashing into them. What, I dont know, and I dont know who put them there.

[rey]

Hahaha at the people sticking up for the US government in this thread!

I believe it was the us government that did it! All the reasons are there!

Can anyone explain why the hole in the pentagon wasn't big enough?and why there was no plane found at the "crash" site? And to also why all the CCTV from near by went missing?

A jet plane crashing at ~500mph:

Jet Crash (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25vlt7swhCM)

The airliners were travelling at ~450mph..

[holdawayt]

Multiple explosives going off in a perfectly controlled manner, a terrorist attack? They wouldnt get away with a "security glitch" on that one, they needed a larger catalyst.

When the south tower got hit though, the plane exited through the side and all the fuel burnt up in seconds. Thats just not enough of a collision to bring down a tower of that size.

The central columns should have been still standing, the floors falling one on top of the other would have condensed on the central columns at one point and the building would have toppled over, not come straight down.
Years of watching Fred Dibnah before those towers came down, and it looked like the same thing to me.

Something else brought those towers down. Not just the planes crashing into them. What, I dont know, and I dont know who put them there.


With that said, just think about it for a second. Would it not look slightly odd to you if you were working in those towers and a group of people came in and placed explosives all over the place? It would raise so much suspicion, it would've been noted by at least one person that day.

The towers were around 40 years old when they were hit, with previous damage from the bombings in the 90's. On paper, they shouldn't have fallen down you're right. What was that ocean liner that sank in 1912 again? The "unsinkable Titanic". Nobody in the world believed that a lump of ice would manage to smash a hole into the ship and make it sink - but it happened. Just because the towers SHOULD have behaved differently, doesn't make it impossible that they went down differently.

[stinkycheese]

So many questions have been left unanswered. If the Government had nothing to hide then they could clear this whole thing up by holding an open press conference. But they won't. Because the whole system is corrupt.

This is my last post on any of this shit. Anyone who swallows the official story is a grade A moron. Not worth trying to convince otherwise. I get so frustrated with stuff like this because I've watched hours and hours of footage/documentaries and statements about this whole thing and then I read retarded posts on here spouting bollocks that they've read on forums posted by other retards. To even scratch the surface you have to start yonks ago before the first Iraqi war. I consider myself quite objective, I'm not a conspiracy theorist,but there are too many discrepancies and things that don't add up.
I'm shit at conveying my thoughts into words so I'm not going to waste my time/energy on the matter.

Bunch of window lickers. :D

[JoshB]

With that said, just think about it for a second. Would it not look slightly odd to you if you were working in those towers and a group of people came in and placed explosives all over the place? It would raise so much suspicion, it would've been noted by at least one person that day.

The towers were around 40 years old when they were hit, with previous damage from the bombings in the 90's. On paper, they shouldn't have fallen down you're right. What was that ocean liner that sank in 1912 again? The "unsinkable Titanic". Nobody in the world believed that a lump of ice would manage to smash a hole into the ship and make it sink - but it happened. Just because the towers SHOULD have behaved differently, doesn't make it impossible that they went down differently.

But people have been to the Titanic, studied it, and we have scientific proof as to why it sank. There isnt a proper study into why the twin towers collapsed. The report the government released is full of holes.

Go into the freezer and get a packet of waffles, Birds Eye Potato if you have them, then make 5 cubes out of them and stack the cubes on top of each other.
On the 2nd waffle from the top, insert a fairy light and light it. Wait until the candle has burned the waffles to a nice crispy black.
Now take a knife and smash the side of the third cube out and tell me what happens.
Do the top waffles fall on top of the rest and it all falls down in a neat pile?

[jharrington]

Heliospan, wider research on your part might do some good!!

Watch this 'in its entirety' and then get back to us.

http://youtu.be/quYYA1wtUwc

It will be interesting what your comment is.

[holdawayt]

So many questions have been left unanswered. If the Government had nothing to hide then they could clear this whole thing up by holding an open press conference. But they won't. Because the whole system is corrupt.

This is my last post on any of this shit. Anyone who swallows the official story is a grade A moron. Not worth trying to convince otherwise. I get so frustrated with stuff like this because I've watched hours and hours of footage/documentaries and statements about this whole thing and then I read retarded posts on here spouting bollocks that they've read on forums posted by other retards. I consider myself quite objective, I'm not a conspiracy theorist,but there are too many discrepancies and things that don't add up.
I'm shit at conveying my thoughts into words so I'm not going to waste my time/energy on the matter.

Bunch of window lickers. :D


So you're slating my views that are backed up and well researched, when you're too dense to put your own thoughts into words? Good one.

I'm not trying to change people's minds at all, everyone is entitled to their opinion and I also agree that lots doesn't add up. I know that the Government are retaining documents and you're right, they should just do a press conference under oath. But it aint going to happen! There's loads that I don't believe about their side of the story, I don't however watch conspiracy programmes or films that think of the most bizzarre ideas possible then search for quotes etc that might satisfy their hypothesis. The amount of mis-quoted points they make is laughable.

[rey]

But people have been to the Titanic, studied it, and we have scientific proof as to why it sank. There isnt a proper study into why the twin towers collapsed. The report the government released is full of holes.

Go into the freezer and get a packet of waffles, Birds Eye Potato if you have them, then make 5 cubes out of them and stack the cubes on top of each other.
On the 2nd waffle from the top, insert a fairy light and light it. Wait until the candle has burned the waffles to a nice crispy black.
Now take a knife and smash the side of the third cube out and tell me what happens.
Do the top waffles fall on top of the rest and it all falls down in a neat pile?

A steel frame has a tad more structural rigidity than waffle cubes. Also, the towers didn't fall as soon as the planes hit them did they? So you're "experiment" has no reflection on the actual scenario.

[holdawayt]

But people have been to the Titanic, studied it, and we have scientific proof as to why it sank. There isnt a proper study into why the twin towers collapsed. The report the government released is full of holes.

Go into the freezer and get a packet of waffles, Birds Eye Potato if you have them, then make 5 cubes out of them and stack the cubes on top of each other.
On the 2nd waffle from the top, insert a fairy light and light it. Wait until the candle has burned the waffles to a nice crispy black.
Now take a knife and smash the side of the third cube out and tell me what happens.
Do the top waffles fall on top of the rest and it all falls down in a neat pile?

Bit of a silly way of putting it but I see your reasoning lol. Potato wouldn't crumble like concrete for a start but I won't go into the structural integrity of a potato waffle lol. I see where a lot of you are coming from guys, when "Loose change" first came out I was convinced the Government was behind the attacks. Infact I was still suspicious up until a couple of months ago.

But I've done my research into the subject, added to the edition thread it's up to you how you see it. But personally I've seen enough to prove that it was pretty much as we saw it. If you choose to believe otherwise then that's cool. I decided to make my mind up now rather than wondering "what if" constantly.

Finally - on July 7th 2005 my Mom was put into hospital because the train she was travelling on was blown up by some muslim extremists. Maybe this is why I want to believe that they're responsible, not the Government. I'm probably Bias but that's my reasoning.

[rey]

Heliospan, wider research on your part might do some good!!

Watch this 'in its entirety' and then get back to us.

http://youtu.be/quYYA1wtUwc

It will be interesting what your comment is.

You're taking the words of a man who accused the Queen of England of drug trafficking as a truth? An anti-semite who accuses Obama of Nazi policies?

I'm sure a man with views like that has the capabilities to present a balanced view that isn't just against any form of government with ideas differing from his own

[vtr02]

Look at the foootage, when the planes hit the whole chunk of the tower is taken out, its a miracle that it stood for as long after as they did, enough time to get as many people out as possible

[JoshB]

Bit of a silly way of putting it but I see your reasoning lol. Potato wouldn't crumble like concrete for a start but I won't go into the structural integrity of a potato waffle lol. I see where a lot of you are coming from guys, when "Loose change" first came out I was convinced the Government was behind the attacks. Infact I was still suspicious up until a couple of months ago.

But I've done my research into the subject, added to the edition thread it's up to you how you see it. But personally I've seen enough to prove that it was pretty much as we saw it. If you choose to believe otherwise then that's cool. I decided to make my mind up now rather than wondering "what if" constantly.

Which is where my point comes in, I havent watched any program to "convince" me that it was a conspiracy theory. I've just watched the videos from the news broadcasters and read the goverments official report on the collapse and made my own mind up based on my years of being an engineer.

Those videos on youtube that reckon there wasnt even a plane! Theyre lollable.


Oh and rey, its a better representation than the dowel rods and few weights used in the official government explanation.

[rey]

It's not really though is it...

Waffles hardly have a representation of the structural integrity of steel and its connections.

[0rang3peel]

nothing to do with 9/11 but

http://i.imgur.com/o2LDc.jpg

[holdawayt]

Lol that's quite cool, coincidences none the less, but cool.

[Dyl]

I dont understand how people can still believe it was terrorists? It's these people who believe everything the media tells them that are ruining the planet and allowing the rich/governments to get away with false flagging etc.

[Prickle]

dont know what to believe tbh. end of the day loads of people died for no reason.

[Bound]

I dont understand how people can still believe it was terrorists? It's these people who believe everything the media tells them that are ruining the planet and allowing the rich/governments to get away with false flagging etc.

Because people like you say things like that without any evidence. You have to prove a plausible alternative series of events. With evidence. If you don't have any don't bother. That's where every conspiracy falls flat, they might have a grainy picture zoomed 50 times and some out of context testimonies from people who don't know what they're talking about but that's about where the fantasy ends. Conclusions are not reached by ascertaining immense detail from a minor anomaly and elaborating an insane plot from this discrepancy. You also can't start with a conclusion and work backwards to make facts fit a hypothesis. Conclusions are made from compiling ALL the available evidence, this is the achilles heel of all the theories. There is so much lunacy to tie together in a incomprehensible, irrational and illogical way, much of it omissions and contradictory.

[0rang3peel]

I dont understand how people can still believe it was terrorists? It's these people who believe everything the media tells them that are ruining the planet and allowing the rich/governments to get away with false flagging etc.

face palm

[holdawayt]

Because people like you say things like that without any evidence. You have to prove a plausible alternative series of events. With evidence. If you don't have any don't bother. That's where every conspiracy falls flat, they might have a grainy picture zoomed 50 times and some out of context testimonies from people who don't know what they're talking about but that's about where the fantasy ends. Conclusions are not reached by ascertaining immense detail from a minor anomaly and elaborating an insane plot from this discrepancy. You also can't start with a conclusion and work backwards to make facts fit a hypothesis. Conclusions are made from compiling ALL the available evidence, this is the achilles heel of all the theories. There is so much lunacy to tie together in a incomprehensible, irrational and illogical way, much of it omissions and contradictory.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Infact I'm 99% certain I could make up a ridiculous story say "Hitler used to wear ballet clothes to bed before kissing his french bulldog to sleep" and trawling through enough quotes and random bits of info I could make it into a plausable conclusion.

Tell us DYL, if terrorists didn't do this, who did? Did the pilots all just get a phone call from the FBI saying "turn around and crash your plane into the towers please, ta." Please provide evidence to back your answer. And not just some teenaged kid talking over some creepy music.

[KamRacing]

If you go into further detail the theories do not stack up. I wasted a lot of time when a friend got these silly ideas in his head. I never looked at one official document and still managed to find scientific evidence far stronger than the 'loose science' spouted by these so called experts.

You have to clear your mind and query your own answers. Ask why constantly rather than looking for evidence to prove the government did it.

Why would the government need to plant explosives? Why did the buildings need to collapse? Then ask how to blow up a building? Things will start to unravel. Thats just the start. With building 7 that was supposedly blown up, look at the fallout area of the main towers. Look for the 30 story hole in the rear that was not able to be seen by the media..The BBC made a cock up - its not part of the conspiracy.

The fact is just the act of terror of flying a multiple planes into buildings was enough. I doubt even osama bin laden expected the towers to fall. No-one did. But a combination of a building with much of its strength in its outer walls, a design to only withstand a smaller plane hitting it, and no realisation that jet fuel burning will soften the structural integrity of steel (though not melt it) and the weight of the floors above i'm not surprised .

The US are certainly guilty of one thing. They used the event in probably the best political chess move ever. It gave them a blank cheque to invade two countries and campaign for 10 years on a stupid war against terror which although killed bin laden, has been as successful as Vietnam. I hate the way the UK followed into such a fools war. You cannot beat terror. It has no body, no structure and is just an ideal.
America needs to be the worlds peace envoy to stop terror. Sadly they like shooting foreigners.

Just for fun I'll end on one note. How do you hide and silence a few thousand government spooks when bill clinton could not even get his dick sucked without the media finding out. Nixon could not even secretly record meetings in a private office without a scandal. They are just ordinary people in powerful jobs. People talk. They always have and always will.

[holdawayt]

You have to clear your mind and query your own answers. Ask why constantly rather than looking for evidence to prove the government did it.

Good point, when I was younger I was convinced the conspiracies were true. It was only when I stopped being so stubborn and started to look at the evidence (one thing conspiracies have none of) it started to seem more and more outrageous.

[KamRacing]

I wanted to find evidence that the government did something. I'm personally not fond of politicians as I think most are idiots. I couldnt find any evidence that could convince me. You have to investigate the answers as well as the initial 'facts'. Then follow the paths with an open mind. You start reading articles and watching videos which are not tainted with an agenda.

Throw in questions like how much explosive is needed to blow up a building. Then look at the sheer scale of the twin towers. Then look at what explosive is needed and the detonation sequence. Then look at what happens to all your cabling when you fly a plane into your rigged up building. How do you protect your cables, explosives and detonators from burning jet fuel so you can start your sequence above the lowest impact area. Why if you rig up the building do you need to fly planes into it? Why detonate explosives the wrong way round? How do you transport explosives, safely store explosives, protect people from the chemical fumes etc?

Thats just for starters..Forget the conspiracy and answer the logistical questions. Then ask what is humanly feasible.
Then cross examine against your hypothesis and re-evaluate.
I know what the answer is. I wasted plenty of time and spent more effort than I should have.

[Heliosphan]

Go into the freezer and get a packet of waffles, Birds Eye Potato if you have them, then make 5 cubes out of them and stack the cubes on top of each other.
On the 2nd waffle from the top, insert a fairy light and light it. Wait until the candle has burned the waffles to a nice crispy black.
Now take a knife and smash the side of the third cube out and tell me what happens.
Do the top waffles fall on top of the rest and it all falls down in a neat pile?

JoshB, a structural engineer from Pontefract whose best analogy in trying to explain the collapse consists of using a packet of potato waffles and a fairy light.

Josh, I'm going to go with the official line on this rather than your own.

I just think that proper scientific and detailed explanations done by men in white coats with letters after their names and evidence given by structural engineers who actually worked on the towers' construction holds a little more water than your potato theory.

Heliospan, wider research on your part might do some good!!

Watch this 'in its entirety' and then get back to us.

http://youtu.be/quYYA1wtUwc

It will be interesting what your comment is.

If you think I'm spending nearly an hour of my time watching some YouTube drivel from a dubious source then you're badly mistaken.

Offer your own thoughts if you want a response from me.