The perfect smartphone?

[Matty16v]

So I currently own a Nokia N900 which alot of people we're raving about, especially when it was released. However it has now been out for nearly 2 years and there is about 4 apps for it.

I'm a bit of an app man and the missus has just bought a Samsung Galaxy S2 which I've got to say is a really clever phone, probably better than the Iphone.

A little thought came to mind and I did some research, now after 16 hours of trying/failing/bricking my device/sd card formatting/lots of linux code, I am now running Android on my Nokia N900 :D.

So do I now own, the worlds coolest smartphone? :D

Awaits brool story co, cool story bro, bro story cool :hug:

[Prickle]

16hrs.... you poor soul. :homme:

and no.

Agree with the S2. a mate has it and i want one, fark getting one on contract and paying 450+ to buy it... :cry:

[chinkostu]

16 hours? bloody hell, took me 2 hours to revive mine from a non booting brick (botched update!). the one great thing about android, rooted theres not much you can't do with it!

im guessing the phones masquerading as a nexus or similar, so you can get the apps?

[Ashleyp]

Thats some pretty geeky shiz.

[craig180]

What you just said made no sense to me whatsovever.

iPhone rocks because I'm dim and like things to be simple. Even the jailbreak is simple enough for my old brain

[Matty16v]

16 hours? bloody hell, took me 2 hours to revive mine from a non booting brick (botched update!). the one great thing about android, rooted theres not much you can't do with it!

im guessing the phones masquerading as a nexus or similar, so you can get the apps?

I believe so yes, It has the app market on the install. I only have one remaining issue which is the phone won't charge whilst on Android but will with Maemo, I'm sure i'll work it out lol

Thats some pretty geeky shiz.

:geek:

What you just said made no sense to me whatsovever.

iPhone rocks because I'm dim and like things to be simple. Even the jailbreak is simple enough for my old brain

Lol it means I'm running the operating system from a Samsung on a Nokia:cool:

[Saxobea]

Iphone4 or 5 wen its out they proper phones

[Ryan]

Iphone4 or 5 wen its out they proper phones

Just a shame it has crap battery life, a weak screen, crap os, oh
And whats quite important for it to be a good phone -suffer with dropping calls alot :hug:

[wadoryu]

i hate everything made by samsung no idea why i just don't get along with it. i have a blackberry they're shite tbh i want an iphone

[J222JRA]

I heard soooo many bad things about iphones......so had blackberrys for years.

Eventually bought an iphone 4 though and tbh its fucking awesome.......never had any of the issues people (non iphone users) moaned about.

Iphone ftw.

[Saxobea]

My battery last all day easy just turn the brightness down on the screen iv dropped it loads of times and it hasn't broke they the best fone goin

[Saxobea]

I heard soooo many bad things about iphones......so had blackberrys for years.

Eventually bought an iphone 4 though and tbh its fucking awesome.......never had any of the issues people (non iphone users) moaned about.

Iphone ftw.

Me either people only moan cos they can't afford them lol

[Giraffe]

My battery last all day easy just turn the brightness down on the screen iv dropped it loads of times and it hasn't broke they the best fone goin

He said dropping calls, not dropping the phone.

I've got an Experia Arc, pretty decent, does everything I need, and don't need it to do pretty well...

[Mochachino]

My battery last all day easy just turn the brightness down on the screen iv dropped it loads of times and it hasn't broke they the best fone goin

Is this how the gadget show test phones to see if theyre good?

3310 dropped from 5 meters
iPhone dropped from 5 meters

3310 has a chip, iPhone the battery fell out. therefore 3310 is the better phone.

[Saxobea]

He said dropping calls, not dropping the phone.

I've got an Experia Arc, pretty decent, does everything I need, and don't need it to do pretty well...

He said weak screens as well

[Giraffe]

He said weak screens as well

ffffffffffffffffffair one

[davidharvey]

I love my nexus S. Only thing I don't like is that the camera has no zoom ( and I cannot always get closer!)

[Ryan]

Me either people only moan cos they can't afford them lol

Lol. I had am iPhone 1st gen.

I buy camera lenses worth 2x3 times what an iPhone costs. :homme:

1 day battery life is piss poor for a phone, espec as most people who actually make calls don't get anywhere near this. Screens are well known to be brittle.

[jw1325]

What you just said made no sense to me whatsovever.

iPhone rocks because I'm dim and like things to be simple. Even the jailbreak is simple enough for my old brain

how did you get yours jailbroken craig?

[Tringaling]

I agree, the battery life should be able to withstand the length an old nokia 3310 could!

[craig180]

I heard soooo many bad things about iphones......so had blackberrys for years.

Eventually bought an iphone 4 though and tbh its fucking awesome.......never had any of the issues people (non iphone users) moaned about.

Iphone ftw.
Same. I was an HTC fanboy when the original HD came out but the iPhone is sooooo much better!
how did you get yours jailbroken craig?

First time I used jailbreakme then more recently with the updated OS I followed a guide on YouTube.

I charge mine every night but people have to remember that ok'd nokias had a small backlit screen and were used about 5% of what current smartphones are. I'm on mine all day, every day so it's to be expected really.

The battery on the iPhone is certainly better than the Gakaxy S tara used to have ;)

[Juggyluggs]

i've got a htc desire now it's a good phone just android don't seem to give a fuck about updating it so i reckon im going to have to update it myself :P

but the samsung galaxy s2 what a phone that is awesome phone alot easier to use than the iphone and alot better

and saxo180 you're a simpleton anyway muhaha!! ;)

[Ryan]

Battery life should be able to compete though Craig.

Technology has come on alot over recent years, especially when it comes to more efficient processors/screens and batteries which can pack more of a punch into a smaller unit.

The fact the iPhone uses a sealed case is a massive drawback, if they allowed people to buy a spare battery to switch to when needed it would solve part of the issue mind.

[Tringaling]

Battery life should be able to compete though Craig.

Technology has come on alot over recent years, especially when it comes to more efficient processors/screens and batteries which can pack more of a punch into a smaller unit.

The fact the iPhone uses a sealed case is a massive drawback, if they allowed people to buy a spare battery to switch to when needed it would solve part of the issue mind.

Exactly this, i love my iPhone and having to turn the brightness down, wifi off etc to make it last longer is annoying!

As said technology should aid the battery being upgraded.

[craig180]

Battery life should be able to compete though Craig.

Technology has come on alot over recent years, especially when it comes to more efficient processors/screens and batteries which can pack more of a punch into a smaller unit.

The fact the iPhone uses a sealed case is a massive drawback, if they allowed people to buy a spare battery to switch to when needed it would solve part of the issue mind.

When you compare it to the competition, it does compete quite fairly.

Other phone manufacturers draw on what is a commmon stigma attached to the iPhone and "claim" far better battery life than the iPhone, when in reality it's only in certain cases that they actually last any longer than an iPhone.

Tara's Samsung was a classic example. Had to be charged twice for each time my iPhone had to be...

I do agree about the sealed case issues though, but the battery should easily oulive the life of the phone in these "disposable" days

[Bound]

Me either people only moan cos they can't afford them lol

People moan because they aren't fanboys. Not because they can't afford them.. Anyone can 'afford' anything on contract.. "Oh look, it's only £40 a month.. I earn more than £40 a month!!!!!"

[J222JRA]

I agree, the battery life should be able to withstand the length an old nokia 3310 could!

Not really.......the 3310 could make phone calls, recieve them, send messages and play snake??

An iphone is basically a handheld computer.

[jw1325]

Not really.......the 3310 could make phone calls, recieve them, send messages and play snake??

An iphone is basically a handheld computer.

I haz snake on mai iPhone telecom device

nahnahnahnahnaahhNAAAAAH

[Ryan]

When you compare it to the competition, it does compete quite fairly.

Other phone manufacturers draw on what is a commmon stigma attached to the iPhone and "claim" far better battery life than the iPhone, when in reality it's only in certain cases that they actually last any longer than an iPhone.

Tara's Samsung was a classic example. Had to be charged twice for each time my iPhone had to be...

I do agree about the sealed case issues though, but the battery should easily oulive the life of the phone in these "disposable" days

With the new 2 year contracts in the battery issue is worse than ever, espec when battery life over time suffers more.

My blackberry I can get 3-4 days with hard use, my iPhone nor friends can get near that. When away on work it's also great to take a second battery incase out in the field it does go flat, something which if you could do to the iPhone would help massively.

[devilsadvocate]

People jump on the bandwagon when the Iphone comes up on discussion saying about poor battery life, bad OS, fragile screen etc etc.

How many people have used an Iphone 4 as their main phone?
How many of those same people have used an S2 after or before using an Iphone 4?

If not, you can't say things like 'the S2 is better than the iphone' or the other way round.

Although I have played with one briefly, I have never used an S2 but I do own an Iphone 4 and before that a 3G.

I do not have any issues with battery life, even with 3g and wifi and moderate use, I still get 2 days out of it.

Fragile screen or not, don't drop the fucking thing and you will be fine!. I have dropped my a few times from waist height onto a hard surface and not even a mark on it (I do have a case though).

The OS is fine, apps are quick to load (no delay) plus there are thousands to chose from. Apple release new IOS's fairly regularly and they bring decent updates with them, do Samsung do this?.

The thing that clinched it for me is that my home button became intermittenly unresponsive and I took it to the Apple store. They didn't even check the phone, they simply gave me a refurbed one (looked brand new) there and then. How many samsung shops are there? How many will provide this sort of service?

I love my Iphone 4 and the only issue I had was a home button one and this was rectified instantly and is not a known problem with them so I was just unlucky.

[Ryan]

Not really.......the 3310 could make phone calls, recieve them, send messages and play snake??

An iphone is basically a handheld computer.

I wonder if the 3310 would be comparable with flash :cool:

[craig180]

With the new 2 year contracts in the battery issue is worse than ever, espec when battery life over time suffers more.

My blackberry I can get 3-4 days with hard use, my iPhone nor friends can get near that. When away on work it's also great to take a second battery incase out in the field it does go flat, something which if you could do to the iPhone would help massively.
I tend to take a charger with me so I can charge it overnight while I sleep ;)

People jump on the bandwagon when the Iphone comes up on discussion saying about poor battery life, bad OS, fragile screen etc etc.

How many people have used an Iphone 4 as their main phone?
How many of those same people have used an S2 after or before using an Iphone 4?

If not, you can't say things like 'the S2 is better than the iphone' or the other way round.

Although I have played with one briefly, I have never used an S2 but I do own an Iphone 4 and before that a 3G.

I do not have any issues with battery life, even with 3g and wifi and moderate use, I still get 2 days out of it.

Fragile screen or not, don't drop the fucking thing and you will be fine!. I have dropped my a few times from waist height onto a hard surface and not even a mark on it (I do have a case though).

The OS is fine, apps are quick to load (no delay) plus there are thousands to chose from. Apple release new IOS's fairly regularly and they bring decent updates with them, do Samsung do this?.

The thing that clinched it for me is that my home button became intermittenly unresponsive and I took it to the Apple store. They didn't even check the phone, they simply gave me a refurbed one (looked brand new) there and then. How many samsung shops are there? How many will provide this sort of service?

I love my Iphone 4 and the only issue I had was a home button one and this was rectified instantly and is not a known problem with them so I was just unlucky.

Here, have some rep ......

[Petee]

iPhones are the best what ever anyone says...

[Ryan]

I tend to take a charger with me so I can charge it overnight while I sleep ;)



Here, have some rep ......

Surely an old timer like you has been to a festival (you know staying in a tent, no power n all ;) )

[Matty16v]

The missus who's got the Galaxy S2 actually sold her Iphone to buy it, simply because her Iphone kept dropping calls, going to voicemail, 3g wouldn't work just alot of what are described as "common problems".

Battery life on the S2 is shocking, I think most "smartphones" have poor battery life, simply because we play more games, use more apps and facebook etc..

[Petee]

Surely an old timer like you has been to a festival (you know staying in a tent, no power n all ;) )

If you use a iPhone correctly the battery lasts for ages, the new 4.0os comes with multitasking which people forget to close/log out of apps. Also keeping notifications on drains the battery loads.

[craig180]

Surely an old timer like you has been to a festival (you know staying in a tent, no power n all ;) )

Nah, I normally have my enterage run on a portable treadmill to generate electricity to charge my phone. It's a bit bulkier than my portable wind up charger but does the trick ;)

[Bound]

If not, you can't say things like 'the S2 is better than the iphone' or the other way round.

You can definitely say that without using them.. The S2 uses an android operating system.. It's the same as all other android operating systems so anyone that has used the same version can comment on that.. So with that knowledge + the superior specification of the S2 compared to the Iphone 4 you can make a reasonable judgment. (plus I've used the S2 anyway)

The OS is fine, apps are quick to load (no delay) plus there are thousands to chose from. Apple release new IOS's fairly regularly and they bring decent updates with them, do Samsung do this?.

Samsung don't make the OS. It's android. Open source. But yes they do. There's been 7 versions since 2008 (and lots of minor updates e.g. 2.0 - 2.0. 1 - 2.1)

The thing that clinched it for me is that my home button became intermittenly unresponsive and I took it to the Apple store. They didn't even check the phone, they simply gave me a refurbed one (looked brand new) there and then. How many samsung shops are there? How many will provide this sort of service?

That's a warranty.. You can get that for any phone... I mean that's a difficult one because the whole reason you needed it replaced in the first place is because it was faulty! I agree it's good direct replacement service though (I don't know how many shops do direct replacement so thats a strong point, but come on.. For the apple tax premium it should be good be good service).

[devilsadvocate]

While were on it, I don't consider the blackberry a 'smart phone'.......it isn't smart in my opinion.

My company provide me with one but I only use it for emails and calls, I would never have one as a main phone because it's not even in the same league as actual smart phones.

[Bound]

While were on it, I don't consider the blackberry a 'smart phone'.......it isn't smart in my opinion.

My company provide me with one but I only use it for emails and calls, I would never have one as a main phone because it's not even in the same league as actual smart phones.

Yeah blackberrys are shit. BBM was a stupid faze for morons imo.. And the only reason it really took of (plus it's association as the 'business phone' :D) It's like "now we can send lines of text to each other instantly!!!!".. Couldn't we already do that before?

[craig180]

While were on it, I don't consider the blackberry a 'smart phone'.......it isn't smart in my opinion.

My company provide me with one but I only use it for emails and calls, I would never have one as a main phone because it's not even in the same league as actual smart phones.

The blueberry used to be the industry standard smart phone for mobile office but the technology is now used by pretty much everyone else.

They became a "fashion item" a few years back when it was cool to be seen taking your work on the road with you and being able to check emails etc, but who can't do that nowadays?

BB has had it's day IMO

[Ryan]

Yeah blackberrys are shit. BBM was a stupid faze for morons imo.. And the only reason it really took of (plus it's association as the 'business phone' :D) It's like "now we can send lines of text to each other instantly!!!!".. Couldn't we already do that before?

Bbm is useful for international contacts but is just now a craze. People think it's free yet ignore the fact the blackberry bolt on pack does cost.

Still my blackberry does what a phone should be able to do and that is take and not drop calls, if android was on a decent phone that wasn't a wanly touch screen then I'd look that way..

[Ryan]

They became a "fashion item" a few years back when it was cool to be seen taking your work on the road with you and being able to check emails etc, but who can't do that nowadays?

BB has had it's day IMO

The bb is still the only service with encrypted emails, it's not had its day by a long way. Many companies still only issue bbs due to the mail exchange. Sadly they're currently the must have fashion accessory (like the iPhone was 2-3 years ago)

[Matty16v]

if android was on a decent phone that wasn't a wanly touch screen then I'd look that way..

Nokia N900 with full qwerty keyboard and Android ;)

[devilsadvocate]

You can definitely say that without using them.. The S2 uses an android operating system.. It's the same as all other android operating systems so anyone that has used the same version can comment on that.. So with that knowledge + the superior specification of the S2 compared to the Iphone 4 you can make a reasonable judgment. (plus I've used the S2 anyway)


That's your opinion, the superior spec makes no difference in my opinion. I have used my friends S2 and opened emails, used the camera, sent a text etc and I didn't find it any quicker (or slower) than my iphone.


Samsung don't make the OS. It's android. Open source. But yes they do. There's been 7 versions since 2008 (and lots of minor updates e.g. 2.0 - 2.0. 1 - 2.1)

Open source means less control and standardisation and that leads to errors and bugs, thats my opinion anyway.
I can customise the Iphone exactly how I want it and wouldn't be comfortable installing some hack that johnny foreigner has come up with to do something it currently doesn't do.


That's a warranty.. You can get that for any phone... I mean that's a difficult one because the whole reason you needed it replaced in the first place is because it was faulty! I agree it's good direct replacement service though (I don't know how many shops do direct replacement so thats a strong point, but come on.. For the apple tax premium it should be good be good service).

I agree, that is a warranty but it's a bloody good one in my experience of almost every other company in regards to phones over the years. Things break, thats life. I am very happy knowing that Apple provide a top rate service and I can be back functional again with minimal effort or disruption.

Some people are 'Apple haters' and always will be, you should chose a phone based ono your budget and whether you have used a similar type platform before. If you have gone from a 3G to a 3Gs, chances are that you will prefer going to a 4 as opposed to an S2 due to your familiarity with the platform.

I haven't got a bad thing to say about the S2 (because I have not used one as my main phone) but I also have no bad things about the Iphone.

[Ryan]

Nokia N900 with full qwerty keyboard and Android ;)

I said good phone ;)

[Brettles1986]

Wasn't it said not so long ago that google do not moderate apps on its appstore (apple will no doubt be after me for copyright here) therefore all you android users are likely to get raped.

[Ryan]

Wasn't it said not so long ago that google do not moderate apps on its appstore (apple will no doubt be after me for copyright here) therefore all you android users are likely to get raped.

Most people jailbreak the iPhone to use un checked apps So the same is said here.

[jw1325]

Before I got my iPhone, I used to slate them, say I would never get one, that they were shit etc

I honestly could not live without my iPhone now.

I have some problems, but they are with my network - not the phone

[Brettles1986]

Most people jailbreak the iPhone to use un checked apps So the same is said here.

But you have to go out of your way to access the store where the jailbreak apps are whereas the google ones are open to everyone using the standard appstore

[Brettles1986]

Before I got my iPhone, I used to slate them, say I would never get one, that they were shit etc

I honestly could not live without my iPhone now.

I have some problems, but they are with my network - not the phone

I was exactly the same as this

[Ryan]

But you have to go out of your way to access the store where the jailbreak apps are whereas the google ones are open to everyone using the standard appstore

But as I said most people jailbreak the iPhone so they end up in the same situation.

The iPhone is a good little multimedia device (i have it's bigger bro) but there's alot of flaws people paper over, especially when a large percentage of websites don't work it (due to them running flash)

[Matty16v]

Before I got my iPhone, I used to slate them, say I would never get one, that they were shit etc

I honestly could not live without my iPhone now.

I have some problems, but they are with my network - not the phone

You with Orange?

[craig180]

But as I said most people jailbreak the iPhone so they end up in the same situation.

The iPhone is a good little multimedia device (i have it's bigger bro) but there's alot of flaws people paper over, especially when a large percentage of websites don't work it (due to them running flash)

I can see that being an issue, but none of the websites I use regularly have issues loading. Mostly saxperience and porn tbf

[Ryan]

I can see that being an issue, but none of the websites I use regularly have issues loading. Mostly saxperience and porn tbf

It's a fckin pain on the iPad. BBC sport for example all videos are embedded using flash (the app is a bit shit too) photography sites etc.... Alot still use flash. Now I hate flash anyway but the fact that things don't work on sharks the 'best' is laughable.

[craig180]

It's a fckin pain on the iPad. BBC sport for example all videos are embedded using flash (the app is a bit shit too) photography sites etc.... Alot still use flash. Now I hate flash anyway but the fact that things don't work on sharks the 'best' is laughable.

Why don't you just download the BBC app etc?

[Brettles1986]

Always thought they had an alternative now to allow for playing of flash

[Ryan]

Why don't you just download the BBC app etc?

I take it you missed where is Said the BBC app is shite?

[Saxobea]

I have a iphone4 for sale if any one interested

[Brettles1986]

I have a iphone4 for sale if any one interested

a iphone?

[jw1325]

You with Orange?

Nope Vodafone.

and I won't leave them - I can't - I rely on their signal range in some of the locations I work in

[Saxobea]

a iphone?




iPhone 4

[Brettles1986]

iPhone 4

I was being pedantic.... the correct grammar is I have an Iphone

[Bound]

Open source means less control and standardisation and that leads to errors and bugs, thats my opinion anyway.
I can customise the Iphone exactly how I want it and wouldn't be comfortable installing some hack that johnny foreigner has come up with to do something it currently doesn't do.


You can't claim to want standardisation and control and a closed system then jailbreak it! That's hypocritical. People jail break their iphones because they don't want that.. The want the freedom and customability that you don't get in a closed system. As for apps - Yes they aren't certified/screened on the official android market. Crap apps are taken of though. You can also say "you can't do anything without rooting the android OS either". Well you can, it's not necessary.. But it's the same risk as the iphone, haven't checked if it voids warranty, but users should do it at their own risk.. And it's their own fault if they fuck it up modifying it.. As it should be. Although to be honest I can't see rooting bricking a phone. Same as flashing a custom rom - Own risk :afro:.

Open source means less control and standardisation and that leads to errors and bugs, thats my opinion anyway.
I can customise the Iphone exactly how I want it and wouldn't be comfortable installing some hack that johnny foreigner has come up with to do something it currently doesn't do.

Competitiveness - Can only be good for the consumer? multiple app stores, amazon iirc do screen, verify, scan, test etc all their apps, basically the same procedure apple have for their app store. This also means developers have to rely on their own reputation/merit/standards. I've never had a virus (to my knowledge.. never had any signs of it anyway - maybe I should check, I'm sure I would of realised though), and I've installed a lot of dodgy cracked apps, never had compatibility problems etc.

I agree, that is a warranty but it's a bloody good one in my experience of almost every other company in regards to phones over the years. Things break, thats life. I am very happy knowing that Apple provide a top rate service and I can be back functional again with minimal effort or disruption.

I'm not taking anything away from the apple service here. I think that's great service.. But shouldn't we as consumers be pushing for that to be the standard? We shouldn't expect any less.. You should expect a direct replacement, especially for contract phones! When you're paying £800-£900 over a few years (and sometimes in excess of £1000 for the higher end tariffs!) for a product/service I expect that.. I would expect that for a £800 TV. Or even a £250 TV.

You're right - Things do break. It's to be expected. However many Iphone fans declare the iphone as the 'best phone' despite that hardly being substantiated.. And they do have a lot of common failures. I haven't heard many about the S2 but I'm sure they exist. Like you say - All phones have failures, problems, bad/defective batches etc.. and let's be honest they are all manufactured in China/Korea/Taiwan, but it doesn't matter where they are made unless they are in a manufactured in a precision laboratory (like the Aston Martin factory!) there will be failures. Absolutely though, when you're on a contract especially you're paying through the nose for a service and they take the phone of you for 2-3 weeks for repair :fcuk:! Unless it's a bespoke item - e.g. not a custom part for a car that takes like a day to craft - that's unreasonable (and it's in stock of course) I think direct replacement should be standard.. and is in a lot of places.

Some people are 'Apple haters' and always will be, you should chose a phone based ono your budget and whether you have used a similar type platform before. If you have gone from a 3G to a 3Gs, chances are that you will prefer going to a 4 as opposed to an S2 due to your familiarity with the platform.

Apple do a lot of stuff right

- Intuitiveness - Their menu's/GUI/App store (older generations could use one easily)
- User friendly
- Simplicity
- Fashion
- Aesthetically
- Marketing
- App quality
- Idiot proof

I conceed they do all these brilliantly. I don't like Apple, I don't think I'm a 'hater' :homme:. (I might be though). It is only an operating system.. The fanboys just piss me of though, I don't like their tunnel vision. A lot of them are mindless idiots that cannot comprehend objectivity and can only repeat "it's the best" like they have to reassure themselves and their fellow chumps that their investment was wise.

That's your opinion, the superior spec makes no difference in my opinion. I have used my friends S2 and opened emails, used the camera, sent a text etc and I didn't find it any quicker (or slower) than my iphone.

This thread is about the best smartphone. For me at least, the best means the best hardware.. Surely? How else can you compare phones.. It's a combination of the best operating system and the best hardware.. That's it. And the if we're aiming for the best smartphone it should have the best available hardware at the time - and that's the S2.

[Prickle]

Not looking to pay loads but whats peoples thoughts on the Samsung Ace?

Cheers...

[Bound]

Not looking to pay loads but whats peoples thoughts on the Samsung Ace?

Cheers...

Contract or PAYG?

[Prickle]

Contract or PAYG?

Just PAYG.

Looks at other phones like the Wildfire S and im not too keen on it.

[MickyWelsh172]

Just PAYG.

Looks at other phones like the Wildfire S and im not too keen on it.

I had the Wildfire S on PAYG and sent it back a week later, battery life was unreal, would literally last 4 hours if you DIDNT turn off 3G and Network etc.... So you never received emails and notifications till you turn them back on.

[Bound]

Can't comment on the Ace John.

I'd do some research.

I can recommend this though;

http://shop.orange.co.uk/mobile-phones/san-francisco-from-orange-in-white

Get yourself on hotukdeals, I got mine for £69.99! :o. Which is incredible. However you would have to install a custom (although it could be just a standard android OS) rom. As orange have utterly ruined it (don't read into this though as android weakness - This is orange fucking shit up with their own shitty apps and disgusting themes etc). If you can manage that (it's not that hard) though - or at least changing the theme and uninstalling the crapware - it's unbeatable value.

[Prickle]

I had the Wildfire S on PAYG and sent it back a week later, battery life was unreal, would literally last 4 hours if you DIDNT turn off 3G and Network etc.... So you never received emails and notifications till you turn them back on.

I watched a review vid on youtube and its meant to be slow when doing multiple things. :wacko: For £179.99 (02) i cant see how its worth it. Ace pwnts it. So far the Ace seems to fit the bill.

Can't comment on the Ace John.

I'd do some research.

I can recommend this though;

http://shop.orange.co.uk/mobile-phones/san-francisco-from-orange-in-white

Get yourself on hotukdeals, I got mine for £69.99! :o. Which is incredible. However you would have to install a custom (although it could be just a standard android OS) rom. As orange have utterly ruined it (don't read into this though as android weakness - This is orange fucking shit up with their own shitty apps and disgusting themes etc). If you can manage that (it's not that hard) though - or at least changing the theme and uninstalling the crapware - it's unbeatable value.

Yeah, will do. Going to read reviews, etc. Want one with a nice size screen, pretty fast, good camera plenty of apps/games to pass my time on my breaks at work and so on.

Cheers Bound, il have a look on that site. :hug:

Will be getting one in the next couple of weeks. Budget of £150

Sick of my shitty LG Viewty, had it wayyy too long, ha.

[nicole_]

i dont get the big fuss with smartphones.
all people really do is text, take calls, a few pictures and occasionally go on fb. theres no way id pay £450+ for the benefit of a few apps, plus id rather browse the internet on a laptop, even the ipad pissed me off.

[Bound]

Down sides of the San Francisco/ZTE Blade;

-No flash support (ARMV6 processor). I've never needed it though - Common criticism of Iphones innit. All the newer android phones have flash though.. Not sure about the ace
-Don't like the headphone jack in - They've put it in a curvature of the phone and it pops out sometimes.. Doesn't have any purchase to latch on.. I don't think this is just mine, you should be able to pick the device up by the headphones imo but you can't with the blade
-Headphone volume ridiculously quiet - Need an amplifier really. You could listen to it but if you were on a bus or walking down the street for example you could easily hear everything around you/the traffic. Even with noise canceling earphones.
-Camera is beyond useless, just don't use it.

Pretty minor niggles though imo for such an incredibly cheap phone for the specification and hardware.. That's the honest criticism of the phone. Of course it's not as good as an Iphone.. But it's 1/10 of the price.. and an iphone certainly isn't 10x better.. It's not even twice as good. It's just more rounded. Undoubtedly better, but certainly not hundreds of pounds better to people like you and me who don't want to blow that on a phone but want the best spec they can get for their money. If you can get it for around £70-£80 you're laughing - and get a rolling 30 day contract for £10 per month from 3 for example which would give you 100 any network mins, unlimited texts, 1GB data. Then you can obviously leave at any time, no commitments/tied down for two years paying extortionate amounts (I know someone who was desperate for an iphone 4 - He's paying £35 - £40 a month for like 50-100 minutes and 2-300 texts, not sure about data - He's an idiot) for an outdated phone. Which is good if (heaven forbid) you loose your job for example. I don't know what 3's coverage is like in your area.. It's a pretty shitty network.. But even where I used to work it was really rural and said it has 0 bars of signal (meaningless imo), but would still receive and transmit calls/texts with minor interruption.

Here's a couple of reviews (you can see the difference the orange operating system makes on the reviews);

http://www.trustedreviews.com/Orange-San-Francisco--ZTE-Blade-_Mobile-Phone_review

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/smartphones/363955/orange-san-francisco

Just going back to the Iphone for a sec - I don't think it's a bad phone. I think it's a good phone. I love the metal case - I think the way it looks is the best thing about it. It's extremely popular. But it's not the best.

[Jazz]

Agree with the S2. a mate has it and i want one, fark getting one on contract and paying 450+ to buy it... :cry:

Jonny-boy, the S2's are cheap- you can get the handset free on a £28 per month contract now in phones4u.

And they are quality phones, I'd be very tempted... if the iPhone 5 wasn't coming out next month.

[josh11490]

i got a blackberry torch, pretty good phone tbh but not for everyone.
my dad has the new samsungs galaxy S2, they are pretty good phones, got everything needed on there and good apps, the battery life isnt that bad either i dont think.

[Prickle]

i got a blackberry torch, pretty good phone tbh but not for everyone.


that phone keeps you entertained for like 5mins than its shit. but like you say not for everyone..

[chinkostu]

How did this explode into an apple argument??? Imho apple is great for ease of use, compatibility, massive support on apps, battery lasts longer etc. The one thing i dont like is the forced use of itunes, no ota updates and the app store locks you out if a payment doesnt clear (missus bought an album then bills went out before itunes did, so she couldnt update or download anything!)

Imo android is fiddly but when you get used to it the stuff you can do! Mines rooted with custom firmware, can overclock it and its a bit of a beast. Battery life is shit though!

[craig180]

Jonny-boy, the S2's are cheap- you can get the handset free on a £28 per month contract now in phones4u.

And they are quality phones, I'd be very tempted... if the iPhone 5 wasn't coming out next month.

There is a good reason it's cheap....

If the original Galaxy S is anything to go by this 2nd generation one will be bound to fail.

[Prickle]

How did this explode into an apple argument???

too many people riding shotgun...

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[Coonper]

Having had an iphone 4 for about 3 months, then breaking it and 'upgrading' to a galaxy S2, i can confirm that the galaxy is without a doubt the superior phone.

It's faster, apps are better (not full of useless shit), easier to use, looks better, lighter, clearer screen, brilliant camera/video.

The internet seems quicker than my laptop when using wifi, and when using 3g there isnt much in it.

A few specifics i like about it are:

Swype (a way of sending texts on a qwerty).
VERY bright led light, which can be used an effective torch and is twice as bright as the iphone.
Battery life is great. I can get 3-4 days out of it with moderate use.

[Matty16v]

I think the arguements broke out because people have slated the Iphone which is a superior phone in terms on apps etc.. however people today forget it is a PHONE. Its slated because when a PHONE can't make calls/receive calls/send text messages because you have your wifi on or your roaming etc.. then that is the downfall of the PHONE. Its flawed because of that, and its not an isolated incident.

When I went trax I went with a few of us and the missus, I went out on track and said I'd ring her when I get off track. Everytime I tried to ring it went to voicemail because she left her roaming on and it wouldn't receive calls! It was very annoying, considering the amount of money and time that went into the development of the Iphone you would think glitches like that would be sorted.

Its as flawed as dialling 999 on this.
http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m486/trackready1/Telephone-1960s-telephone-005.jpg

[Carlvtr88]

Not looking to pay loads but whats peoples thoughts on the Samsung Ace?

Cheers...

Limited Space for apps unless you root it mate. Ive heard so anyway, Apparently you cant change what memory the apps are stored in. More of a lower end android handset. (Nice phone though) Was going to get one untill i heard that, also the cameras poor in comparisson with other phones.

My misses handed me her nokia N8 down and Oh my god. Amazing camera. Especially with the mod i put on it from hyper X... 30 fps hd recording and continuous auto focus aswell.

[Prickle]

What else would you suggest in that price range? (150) not a HTC wildfire/s.

[enthrone]

I had the 3gs when it came out.

12 months later switched to the galaxy s.

Android is far superior, plus running a custom rom like Darkys + apps like Juice defender + screenfilter and it gets major battery increase.

wouldnt go back to apple again.