vehicle overweight

[stevenet15]

today i took my ford transit flatbed out to collect some pallets to burn in our wood burner over winter that heats the workshop up, anyways i went out loaded my transit up with the pallets by hand then when i was on my way back home the police pulled me over, the officer said my vehicle was over weight, i disagreed that is was and requested we go to a weighbridge but he didnt give me the option he just told me if i dont take the 3 points and ticket he will seise the vehicle charge me to recover it and store it and summonds me to go to court, i felt the officer was in the wrong but in shock about the whole thing and felt i had no option so took the paper work and he then left before i had even finsihed takign some of the pallets off. When i got home i read the paper work and he has charged me with 3 points for dangerious use of vehicle for over weight, which i dont want on my license as dangerious use of vehicle sounds bad. i read on the back and it says i can go to court, if i go to court what would happen? coz he wouldnt take me to a weigh bridge how can he prove in court that i was overweight? i really dont think i was over weight and in shock i should have sat down and gone throguh it with him but he was clearly in a rush

[Dyl]

Should have taken pics while he was there for evidence. Sounds like another douche copper though!

[Gabbastard]

shouldnt really come to anything if common sense prevails, unless measures and weights are carried out by a keen eye nowadays.

[Brettles1986]

today i took my ford transit flatbed out to collect some pallets to burn in our wood burner over winter that heats the workshop up, anyways i went out loaded my transit up with the pallets by hand then when i was on my way back home the police pulled me over, the officer said my vehicle was over weight, i disagreed that is was and requested we go to a weighbridge but he didnt give me the option he just told me if i dont take the 3 points and ticket he will seise the vehicle charge me to recover it and store it and summonds me to go to court, i felt the officer was in the wrong but in shock about the whole thing and felt i had no option so took the paper work and he then left before i had even finsihed takign some of the pallets off. When i got home i read the paper work and he has charged me with 3 points for dangerious use of vehicle for over weight, which i dont want on my license as dangerious use of vehicle sounds bad. i read on the back and it says i can go to court, if i go to court what would happen? coz he wouldnt take me to a weigh bridge how can he prove in court that i was overweight? i really dont think i was over weight and in shock i should have sat down and gone throguh it with him but he was clearly in a rush


At the same time though how can you prove that you asked to go to the weighbridge? it sucks I know but I think going against the police is a lose lose situation

[stevenet15]

Should have taken pics while he was there for evidence. Sounds like another douche copper though!

pictures wouldnt prove anythign pallets wiegh between 4kg and 30kg each, they all vary

At the same time though how can you prove that you asked to go to the weighbridge? it sucks I know but I think going against the police is a lose lose situation

well it says that i can go to court so it wont matter about the goign to a weight bridge if he cant prove in court that i was over weight


i dont care about fines if im inthe wrong but dont want points

[Gabbastard]

id challenge it dude.

[Stefan_Wood]

today i took my ford transit flatbed out to collect some pallets to burn in our wood burner over winter that heats the workshop up, anyways i went out loaded my transit up with the pallets by hand then when i was on my way back home the police pulled me over, the officer said my vehicle was over weight, i disagreed that is was and requested we go to a weighbridge but he didnt give me the option he just told me if i dont take the 3 points and ticket he will seise the vehicle charge me to recover it and store it and summonds me to go to court, i felt the officer was in the wrong but in shock about the whole thing and felt i had no option so took the paper work and he then left before i had even finsihed takign some of the pallets off. When i got home i read the paper work and he has charged me with 3 points for dangerious use of vehicle for over weight, which i dont want on my license as dangerious use of vehicle sounds bad. i read on the back and it says i can go to court, if i go to court what would happen? coz he wouldnt take me to a weigh bridge how can he prove in court that i was overweight? i really dont think i was over weight and in shock i should have sat down and gone throguh it with him but he was clearly in a rush

I have just finished a public services course at college and this would fall under the lines of unlawful arrest, if you was to go to court it would most likely go in your favour hence you didnt attend a weigh in. Police officers do stupid things like this becuase it is run on a target scheme e.g get 10arrests this month, most of my tutors at college left the force as it was very corupt. I would suggest going to court tho explain how it all happend and how the police man acted. Also if you can on the form he gave you there should be an address and number of the police station of where the officer was from so put in a formal complaint, this will also stand up well in court

[stevenet15]

I have just finished a public services course at college and this would fall under the lines of unlawful arrest, if you was to go to court it would most likely go in your favour hence you didnt attend a weigh in. Police officers do stupid things like this becuase it is run on a target scheme e.g get 10arrests this month, most of my tutors at college left the force as it was very corupt. I would suggest going to court tho explain how it all happend and how the police man acted. Also if you can on the form he gave you there should be an address and number of the police station of where the officer was from so put in a formal complaint, this will also stand up well in court


yeah have badge number and station, gona go in and ask to speak to desk sergent and put in a formal complaint

also jsut did a bit of research and found this on the vosa site:

https://online.businesslink.gov.uk/Transport_files/8001_VOSA_fixed_penalties_and_financial_deposits_0 .pdf

page 12

states: 3.6 Excess Weight Offences

EXCEED WEIGHT
Severity : 0 up to but not including 10%
Endorsable : No
FP amount : £60.00

Severity : 10% up to but not including 15%
Endorsable : No
FP amount : £120.00

Severity :15% and over
Endorsable : No
FP Amount : £200.00

i was given a £60 fine and 3 points but on the vosa site it states its not endorsable?????

[wolf_gsxr]

this is just like speeding. if there isnt an proof other than the coppers word then your gettin away with it mate. there all cunts... end of.

[Stefan_Wood]

yeah have badge number and station, gona go in and ask to speak to desk sergent and put in a formal complaint

also jsut did a bit of research and found this on the vosa site:

https://online.businesslink.gov.uk/Transport_files/8001_VOSA_fixed_penalties_and_financial_deposits_0 .pdf

page 12

states: 3.6 Excess Weight Offences

EXCEED WEIGHT
Severity : 0 up to but not including 10%
Endorsable : No
FP amount : £60.00

Severity : 10% up to but not including 15%
Endorsable : No
FP amount : £120.00

Severity :15% and over
Endorsable : No
FP Amount : £200.00

i was given a £60 fine and 3 points but on the vosa site it states its not endorsable?????

Print off a copy of that document and if you do end up in court make sure you produce it, also check the date on it to see when it is valid to. While u are making the complaint do not say " i will accept the 60pound but not the 3points" this will be accepting liability and this would be strongly against you if it still went to court

[stevenet15]

Print off a copy of that document and if you do end up in court make sure you produce it, also check the date on it to see when it is valid to. While u are making the complaint do not say " i will accept the 60pound but not the 3points" this will be accepting liability and this would be strongly against you if it still went to court

im not accepting nothing, he said im gettign 3 points but i cant see it on the paper work??? is this normally the case? he told me like 5 times im getting 3 points

[Stefan_Wood]

im not accepting nothing, he said im gettign 3 points but i cant see it on the paper work??? is this normally the case? he told me like 5 times im getting 3 points

Everything you get should be on the paperwork if not then you wont recieve it.
Even though still go and make that complaint, and more than likely you will get away with it, its word agaisnt word if no evidence is present

[stevenet15]

Everything you get should be on the paperwork if not then you wont recieve it.
Even though still go and make that complaint, and more than likely you will get away with it, its word agaisnt word if no evidence is present

opps just noticed its got ENDORSABLE stamped on the top lol im gona go in tomorrow and make a complaint, will post up how i get on

[Stefan_Wood]

opps just noticed its got ENDORSABLE stamped on the top lol im gona go in tomorrow and make a complaint, will post up how i get on

Good luck with it mate

[Mr_P]

Was he on his own?

[stevenet15]

Was he on his own?

he was with another officer that didnt get involved, i was with a passenger

[mlawlan69]

i recently got a D&D charge in town, it was literally over a copper who decided that he fancied having an argument and i was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

was jumped on by about 3 officers and a few bouncers, despite being calm and trying to revolve a daft situation, they were not having any of it, i WAS going to protest the £80 fine, but realise that you can't win, especially if you have no evidence to back up your claims.

i hope you do go further with it and win, good luck, certainly got my backing as i know only too well about cunt coppers !!!!

[Mr_P]

Then seeing as he didn't take you to a weigh bridge, the other officer was not involved and you have a witness. He has no corroborating evidence, and probably wouldn't even make it to court. Even if it did, and worse case scenario they found you guilty, how would they know what fine to issue you with as they have no figure of what your weight was. For you to be found guilty, both officers would have to stand up in court and say you were overweight.

[Cam]

No proof no case. Fight it mate fuck them.

[devilsadvocate]

You could take him to court but I would imagine that you risk having to pay court costs if you lose.

I would bet that most police know that maybe 1% of people fight these tickets even though many more than that are bollocks tickets yet they won't get challenged.

You could fight it but is the risk of having to pay more money worth it for you?

[Gareth_R]

There's so many reasons to fight that it's unreal

Most of the crap 'I got pulled' threads on here are nonsense whining, but that one is well worth the time

[Dave_P]

No proof no case. Fight it mate fuck them.

+1 :y:

[LouisUK]

I think you could win it tbh. They have no evidence and couldn't prove you were over weight at the time. Also the fact that you were intimidated into accepting the fine because he threatened to seize your van. I know it's his word against yours. But at the end of the day, they still have no proof you were over weight.

[Gandi699]

Its nice to think you could win it but lets be honest with the UK law system as it is you might as well just accept the points. Guilty until proven innocent, which obviously wont happen.

[stevenet15]

You could take him to court but I would imagine that you risk having to pay court costs if you lose.

I would bet that most police know that maybe 1% of people fight these tickets even though many more than that are bollocks tickets yet they won't get challenged.

You could fight it but is the risk of having to pay more money worth it for you?

court fees are only allowed to total £300 max as it states it on my paper work, the maximum of the fine for the aledged crime is £200 and the max points is 3, so at worst i will get a £500 fine/court fee and 3 points, how ever if i win i wont have to pay a penny and no points. I have spoken to a few professionals today and i have decided to definatly proceed with the court route, they also feel strongly that it wont even get to a court stage before the charges are dropped, so watch this thred guys i will update it with info as it happens

[stevenet15]

maybe i should add this to my bucket list:

screw a dodgy copper over lmao
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[0rang3peel]

to be honest, before court I imagine the case will get dropped.

copper sounds like a dick.

[Psycho18]

Just refuse to pay it and give your reasons.

Did he take a photo or weigh the vehicle? If not then you will win. They just give out tickets all the time. If they can't provide evidence against you they just scrap it and give up.

[stevenet15]

Just refuse to pay it and give your reasons.

Did he take a photo or weigh the vehicle? If not then you will win. They just give out tickets all the time. If they can't provide evidence against you they just scrap it and give up.

he didnt weigh me even tho i requested it, took a photo but only of the front of the lorry of the number plate etc, not the wheels, tyres, arches or of the goods i was carrying, i also check the wheel arches and on the back theres a 3.5" gap between the wheel and the arch with the goods on so u can clearly see it wasnt over weight

[stevenet15]

right little update, made a complaint against the officer, given full details of inncident, how correct precedure wasnt carried out and attitude towards me and my passanger, the officer that took my statement actually said to me "why didnt he take you directly to a weight bridge? how can he say your overweight without weighing you?" lol exactly officer bang on it, shes forwarded it stright to the station sergent as he was dealing with someone else at the time and she told me he will be contacting me within the hour

[stevenet15]

Also i just been informed the officer should have issued me with a PG9 Prohibition Notice, and then should have issued another one after i took a few pallets off saying that satisfactory adjustments were made and vehicle was fit for road use again. i never had any of this and as a overweight vehicle the VOSA codes of conduct state this should have been issued. Just another thing to add to the list :)

A Prohibition Notice (PG9) is a ban on the
use of a vehicle on a public road. A
prohibition will normally be issued where
a vehicle is found by an Examiner to be,
or likely to become, unfit for use or where
driving of the vehicle would involve a risk
of injury to any person.

[VexxedVTS]

Fight it mate.
The can't charge you with your vehicle being overweight if they didn't weight it.

[Add91289]

there is no proof you were over weight
no pictures were taken to prove the load was un-safe
it sounds like the correct procedure has not been followed
...... nuff said

[stevenet15]

Update: sergent called me and started todeal with the formal complaint. He cant wide the charge that has to be done in court as he is only able to deal with the complaint sgainst the officer.

[Gibbo-Vtr]

Fuck his arsehole,
Fuck it till it bleeds.

[stevenet15]

Final Update:

its now 5 and a half months on since the police tried to do me for dangerious use of vehicle, they gave me a fine and points at the side of the road which i contested to and opted to go to court and finally today i got a letter through saying all charges have now been dropped and i no longer have to go to court and they will take no further action :) :) :) it would have been so easy for me to just accept the points like most people would do but i didnt feel i was in the wrong so i decided to take it further and it worked out right, so remember peeps if ur adamate that u wasnt breaking the law contest it... aparently only 1 in 1000 people contest a vehicle offence coz its easyer to jsut take it on the chin and take the points, if i hadnt of contested it i would now have dangerious use of vehicle on my license

[lee_saxo]

fucking spot on lad. We need more people like you and get this Country to have a back bone again. To many people would think, Oh I'll just take the points and small fine, and the copper is doing me a favour as if I go to court I'll have to pay costs and higher fines. Even cops get it wrong

[stupotvtr]

I mind reading this when you first posted....well done mate :y:

[stevenet15]

fucking spot on lad. We need more people like you and get this Country to have a back bone again. To many people would think, Oh I'll just take the points and small fine, and the copper is doing me a favour as if I go to court I'll have to pay costs and higher fines. Even cops get it wrong

yeah its easily done to panic and think sod going court as might get extra cost and they can even give u bigger points, i just wasnt prepared to take them as i beleived i was in the right, it does make u wonder how many people get charged for stuff they should have contested

[Rogue_Shadow]

Congrats mate :y:
About time a minority of the Police force realise, they enfore the law they are NOT the law itself! :A:

Remember reading this thread, can't believe it took 5 months!

[Mochachino]

I got my car taken off me for supposedly having no insurance. I told the officer at the time that delt with me that I was right and he was wrong. He said I think you know you are wrong, belive me you are not as wise as you think you are.

So I said, I still think you are pulling the wool over my eyes. This is as im signing the paper to have my car taken off me. I said am I going to have a phone call from you when I get the car back for free etc? He laughed and said he would.

Anyway, after a few days of getting the correct documents in the acceptable form I presented them at the police station and was able to take my car without the £150 tow away charge and what would have been £90 storage costs, as well as driving with no insurance points and fine, as well as my insurance going up £2000.

It took a bit of fighting and numerous trips to the station.

The officer never phoned me :)