Got a new Job

[devilsadvocate]

As everyone seems to be starting new threads, thought I would jump on the bandwagon.

I am currently an IT Problem Manager but I wanted to get back into the technical side of IT so I applied for a Network Engineer job with the same company and got it :)

Same money but more interesting and it may mean overtime and being on call etc which I don't get in my current role.

Anyway.....so yeah

[Cam]

Well done :)

[Moke]

Congrats matey :)

[Juggyluggs]

As everyone seems to be starting new threads, thought I would jump on the bandwagon.

I am currently an IT Problem Manager but I wanted to get back into the technical side of IT so I applied for a Network Engineer job with the same company and got it :)

Same money but more interesting and it may mean overtime and being on call etc which I don't get in my current role.

Anyway.....so yeah

Who do you work for dude?

[devilsadvocate]

Who do you work for dude?

Kent County Council :)

[sam_16v]

well done mate :)

[Dannii]

Congratsssss :)

[Cam]

Kent County Council :)

Do something with medway county council there useless idiots.

[Hatcha]

Congratulations man

[Tontsy]

cool story bro . . .

srs go you! its great when we get what we want.

[e8_pqck]

is there more chance of having sex in your new role?

[devilsadvocate]

is there more chance of having sex in your new role?

I would doubt it, a Network Engineer is not exactly on the Top 10 hottest occupations list

Luckily im not a geek so don't exactly have problems in the female department :)

[blackeyedgirl]

Congrats ;)

[MiniGibbo]

So you've gone from tapping keyboards and clicking mouses too tapping keyboards and clicking mouses..

Congratulations on that??

[CEdwards]

well done

[Sam]

Congrats dude!

[Moke]

So you've gone from tapping keyboards and clicking mouses too tapping keyboards and clicking mouses..

Congratulations on that??

Fuck sake Gibbo.

There are different job sectors out there you know... Not all building walls and whistling to slags whilst on your dinner :homme:

[devilsadvocate]

So you've gone from tapping keyboards and clicking mouses too tapping keyboards and clicking mouses..

Congratulations on that??

Not really no, I have gone from managing Major Incidents and Problems to designing, building and troubleshooting IT Networks.

Loads of people don't like IT workers but if someone didn't do it then almost every business would not be able to operate as they all rely on IT these days :)

[Heftydanielson]

Congrats.

[timmythechef]

Congrats.

[haz_pro]

Well done.

Gibbo is just a Neanderthal :P

[GaryKiddd]

Very Gooooood!

[Juggyluggs]

Congrats anyway dude us IT workers do seem to get alot of stick for supposedly sitting on our arses all day

[Mochachino]

Congrats anyway dude us IT workers do seem to get alot of stick for supposedly sitting on our arses all day

You do though dont you?

[devilsadvocate]

You do though dont you?

Helpdesk staff usually do but a lot of IT people are out and about.

I would imagine a lot of my time in future will be spent in freezing cold data centres or cramped comms cabinets!

[Brettles1986]

Helpdesk staff usually do but a lot of IT people are out and about.

I would imagine a lot of my time in future will be spent in freezing cold data centres or cramped comms cabinets!

I sit on my ass alot but what people seem not to understand is that diagnosing problems is very often not a 2 minute thing. I find alot of my job involves researching.

[haz_pro]

Helpdesk staff usually do but a lot of IT people are out and about.

I would imagine a lot of my time in future will be spent in freezing cold data centres or cramped comms cabinets!

Oh I love going into the server room at work when its hot!:y:

[jay-vtr]

congratulations pal

[Juggyluggs]

You do though dont you?

Noo i sit on my arse going its fucked or have you turned it on and off lol wait wut!

[MiniGibbo]

I reacon i could do "IT support" when ever i ring my brother and tell him my computers broke and he needs to fix it, he just tells me to turn it off and on... then just keeps repeating "restart it" everytime i say anything else :S

How hard is that :homme:

[Moke]

You'd all be pretty fucked without I.T, so think before you go slating it :homme:

I don't just sit on my arse all day, I also go out to sites :A:

[MiniGibbo]

Are you one of those guys that stands in the car park with a tissue in the finger tips wiping off your russel brand shoes Moke after visiting "site"..

[Moke]

Are you one of those guys that stands in the car park with a tissue in the finger tips wiping off your russel brand shoes Moke after visiting "site"..

I haven't a clue what you mean.

I'm one of those who go out to site, fix the issue and then go back to the office (only sometimes though, my main role is in the office).

I also get 28p a mile..... So I'm quids in when I go out to sites :A:

[MiniGibbo]

28p a mile is good dude. Do they not try to infoce the rule that you can have a car older than five years or needs to be green etc ?

[Moke]

28p a mile is good dude. Do they not try to infoce the rule that you can have a car older than five years or needs to be green etc ?

It's a great rate dude.

Urm, they call it 28p a mile as I use my own car, so covers for petrol and wear and tear, etc...

If I was to use one of the work Transit's or Megane, I'd get only 16p per mile.

[MiniGibbo]

Nah thats not what i asked :homme: i remember my brother telling me one of the firms he worked for they couldnt use there own cars unless they where fairly new and low eco..

[Moke]

Nah thats not what i asked :homme: i remember my brother telling me one of the firms he worked for they couldnt use there own cars unless they where fairly new and low eco..

I know that's not what you asked... I was explaining how my work decides their rates.

Don't give a fuck about all this eco shit :homme:

[MiniGibbo]

I just read that again and you mentioned "transits"..

Im glad your up north, bet your dangerious as fuck in a van :homme:

[Moke]

I just read that again and you mentioned "transits"..

Im glad your up north, bet your dangerious as fuck in a van :homme:

I've not drove one of the Transit's actually... Renault Migrane FTW!

[b0t13]

congrats on the job, but this bugs me lol

what experience/knowledge do you have of networks? as i know ur on a good wage and alot of highly skilled unemployed network engineers would jump on that for less money,

god i hate councils/government!, they recruit random people into jobs internally and never get good workers from the 'outside' lol

not a dig at you btw, just the shit country in general

i seen a chemist become an IT manager in a hospital, it makes me fucking laugh so much at the policies in place!

[devilsadvocate]

congrats on the job, but this bugs me lol

what experience/knowledge do you have of networks? as i know ur on a good wage and alot of highly skilled unemployed network engineers would jump on that for less money,

god i hate councils/government!, they recruit random people into jobs internally and never get good workers from the 'outside' lol

not a dig at you btw, just the shit country in general

i seen a chemist become an IT manager in a hospital, it makes me fucking laugh so much at the policies in place!

Well im currently studying for the CCNA, I have passed the first part (ICND1 exam) and halfway through the second part.

I have a home network lab which I use but I have no 'work' experience but im never going to get it unless someone gives me a job.

I agree that councils do employ from within a lot but there are arguments for and against doing this.
How would people get into more skilled jobs if they were never given the chance because they had no real work experience?

Skills and expertise are built up over years and years in the same field but you have to be given that chance when you very first start, else that's never going to happen.

I would also doubt that many 'highly skilled network engineers' would work for less than 30k. I would say highly skilled is 10+ years and at least CCNA and there are plenty of job adverts for these type of roles on 30k+

http://www.jobsite.co.uk/cgi-bin/advsearch?search_type=quick&location_within=20&fp_skill_include=network+engineer&location_include=&search_currency_code=GBP&search_salary_type=A&search_salary_low=ANY&jobtype=E&daysback=7

Unfortunately the council doesn't have the luxury of being able to pay 50k+ for a very experienced network engineer in the current economic climate, hence the reason they employ from within and put money into training.

[Brettles1986]

It's a great rate dude.

Urm, they call it 28p a mile as I use my own car, so covers for petrol and wear and tear, etc...

If I was to use one of the work Transit's or Megane, I'd get only 16p per mile.

Any travelling I do in work time pays me 40p per mile :y:

[Penn]

Any travelling I do in work time pays me 40p per mile :y:

Same here, and it barely covers the cost of fuel in the Clio though lol.

It's interesting you're going from service management into technical stuff. I'm going the opposite way, I've done my techy stuff and have completely lost interest in it.

Been working on a big transition since May and now looking to move into transition management as a permanent role. Will get me out and about to new customer sites all around the country :D

Good luck in the new role, proper network engineers who understand real world environments don't come along very often so get all the experience you can whilst doing your certs!

[b0t13]

Well im currently studying for the CCNA, I have passed the first part (ICND1 exam) and halfway through the second part.

I have a home network lab which I use but I have no 'work' experience but im never going to get it unless someone gives me a job.

I agree that councils do employ from within a lot but there are arguments for and against doing this.
How would people get into more skilled jobs if they were never given the chance because they had no real work experience?

Skills and expertise are built up over years and years in the same field but you have to be given that chance when you very first start, else that's never going to happen.

I would also doubt that many 'highly skilled network engineers' would work for less than 30k. I would say highly skilled is 10+ years and at least CCNA and there are plenty of job adverts for these type of roles on 30k+

http://www.jobsite.co.uk/cgi-bin/advsearch?search_type=quick&location_within=20&fp_skill_include=network+engineer&location_include=&search_currency_code=GBP&search_salary_type=A&search_salary_low=ANY&jobtype=E&daysback=7

Unfortunately the council doesn't have the luxury of being able to pay 50k+ for a very experienced network engineer in the current economic climate, hence the reason they employ from within and put money into training.

as pointed in bold above^ you have no experience in the related job yet can command a 30k a year pay packet lol, the problem you decribe is what every graduate faces after uni and would kill for a £30k job,

this is why councils waste so much money!, im actually tempted to go work for one as it seems to be the place to get a well paid job easily compared to the private sector,

ill bet you £10 that you wouldnt get that opportunity in anything other than a government building as it doesnt make sense paying someone 30k to learn a job

[jw1325]

Congratulations on telling people to reboot their PC's but from a different room ;)

[Brettles1986]

Congratulations on telling people to reboot their PC's but from a different room ;)

Common misconception there, bloody stereotypes

[jw1325]

Common misconception there, bloody stereotypes

hence the 'wink'

I do computer / system operations as part of my job and the amount of times this actually works is unreal.

[Moke]

the amount of times this actually works is unreal.

+1 tbh.

That's the first thing we ask if someone calls in :') Well, in most cases.

[MiniGibbo]

+1 tbh.

That's the first thing we ask if someone calls in :') Well, in most cases.

And its fucking annoying....

[Moke]

And its fucking annoying....

What's annoying? The fact that we say that or the fact that rebooting something resolves most issues?

[Brettles1986]

hence the 'wink'

I do computer / system operations as part of my job and the amount of times this actually works is unreal.

My bad I was on the phone so didn't see the wink

[Brettles1986]

What's annoying? The fact that we say that or the fact that rebooting something resolves most issues?

I try to avoid restarts as much as possible, quite often isolating the service and restarting that resolves the problem and doesn't require a restart most times.

[MiniGibbo]

What's annoying? The fact that we say that or the fact that rebooting something resolves most issues?

The fact you say it, its demoralising.. a child knows if it dosent work turn it on and off and your telling fully grown adults to "turn it off and on" :S

[Moke]

The fact you say it, its demoralising.. a child knows if it dosent work turn it on and off and your telling fully grown adults to "turn it off and on" :S

FUCKING LOL.

Gibbo mate, you don't know half the people I speak to....... Some think that the TV's are powered off thin air, other think that the the PC will blow up if they power it down and others even think that the screen is a PC.

(I work for a media company who supplies television systems to doctors surgeries, hospital, schools, etc......)

You have to be so patronising to most clients, it's mad!

[devilsadvocate]

as pointed in bold above^ you have no experience in the related job yet can command a 30k a year pay packet lol, the problem you decribe is what every graduate faces after uni and would kill for a £30k job,

this is why councils waste so much money!, im actually tempted to go work for one as it seems to be the place to get a well paid job easily compared to the private sector,

ill bet you £10 that you wouldnt get that opportunity in anything other than a government building as it doesnt make sense paying someone 30k to learn a job

Im confused, your original post mentioned 'highly skilled network engineers' and now you mention graduates?

Very few people who leave uni with IT degrees will jump into a 30k job, most start at the bottom and work their way up which is exactly what I did, minus the degree.

I started on 15k as a helpdesk call logger with 4 other people....two of which had IT degrees and I have move further up the ladder than either of those people.....what does that tell you about IT degrees?

The reason I am on 30k is because of my current management job and they can't downgrade my pay to say 25k just because I have swapped roles, I will stay on my current salary.

I am not going to apologise for doing well in life and I am quite willing to admit that some of it is due to being in the right sort of company and knowing the right people but I still had to sit through interviews the same as everyone else and answer the same questions (technical and non technical) that they did.

People can bitch and moan all they like but whether in a private or public company people get decent jobs partly because of what they know (knowledge and experience) and partly because of who they know....fact of life I am afraid.

[MiniGibbo]

FUCKING LOL.

Gibbo mate, you don't know half the people I speak to....... Some think that the TV's are powered off thin air, other think that the the PC will blow up if they power it down and others even think that the screen is a PC.

(I work for a media company who supplies television systems to doctors surgeries, hospital, schools, etc......)

You have to be so patronising to most clients, it's mad!

As i read that i imagined some ditzy bint with a perm and massive shoulder pads turning her moniter on and off numerious times while shouting down the phone "i keep rebooting it"..

Point taken..

[Moke]

As i read that i imagined some ditzy bint with a perm and massive shoulder pads turning her moniter on and off numerious times while shouting down the phone "i keep rebooting it"..

Point taken..

You've hit the nail on the head mate!

[sarajayne22]

Congrats =]=]

[Giraffe]

Curious, have you ever worked for anyone but the council?

[MiniGibbo]

Curious, have you ever worked for anyone but the council?

No he likes standing around smkoing with four freinds while watching one's pretending to work but is really just rolling his next fag.

[devilsadvocate]

No he likes standing around smkoing with four freinds while watching one's pretending to work but is really just rolling his next fag.

Smoking is for losers :)

I have had other jobs but I have worked for the Council for most of my career.

[jw1325]

FUCKING LOL.

Gibbo mate, you don't know half the people I speak to....... Some think that the TV's are powered off thin air, other think that the the PC will blow up if they power it down and others even think that the screen is a PC.

(I work for a media company who supplies television systems to doctors surgeries, hospital, schools, etc......)

You have to be so patronising to most clients, it's mad!

I work in payroll, and we have 'bureau clients' who enter all their own info using our system and we produce the files for them - they 'transmit' the payroll and it comes over to our systems electronically and runs through, so soem of them do it from a modem.

They call up to ask how to enter certain information etc, or if the have a technical problem.

The amount of people (not just women), who call up saying that their payroll won't transmit and they are getting a 'conection error message' etc, only for us to hear that they have moved to another computer, installed the software, but don't realise they can only use the programme and tranmsit the payroll from the designated computer set up with the connection.

Half the time they will have actually thrown out the other PC, complete with Modem.

Eejits!

[jw1325]

Smoking is for losers :)

I have had other jobs but I have worked for the Council for most of my career.

wouldn't you get more money working in the private sector?

[b0t13]

wouldn't you get more money working in the private sector?

nope, hed be lucky to get a £20k+ job tbh

hense my points above^

to clarify above,

youve got no networking experience in a work place,
have jumped from a good paid job into a completely different job(which in the real world not council world, would mean ud be at the bottom again on sub £20k)
have kept same pay packet even though you chose the job, wasnt moved or forced so no obligation to keep same wage imo,

like i said before, not a dig at you just the money pit government, and im glad your furthering ur career, but lets face it, youve got it very good and easy and are being paid alot to learn something which people have to do on half your wage in the private sector

[jw1325]

I've always found more money in the private sector.... Doing my job for say the NHS or council, I'd be lucky to be getting 6k less than I'm on now....

[Penn]

nope, hed be lucky to get a £20k+ job tbh


He wouldn't actually get a job in the private sector with no experience but I completely agree with what you're saying and get your point.

[devilsadvocate]

He wouldn't actually get a job in the private sector with no experience but I completely agree with what you're saying and get your point.

I completely agree, I wouldn't get a network job in the private sector without any experience.

I would have to start at the bottom on 15-20k and build up some experience in a helpdesk type role before applying for more technical jobs such as a Network Engineer......exactly the same as what I have done with my current company.

How do you think people become network engineers if they are unable to get a job without any experience?

Plenty of people bash the public sector but it gives young (and older) people the chance to get into roles which otherwise they would not be able to without experience.

In several years time when I have the experience, I will then be able to look at getting a job in the private sector (if I wanted to obviously).

[Penn]

I completely agree, I wouldn't get a network job in the private sector without any experience.

I would have to start at the bottom on 15-20k and build up some experience in a helpdesk type role before applying for more technical jobs such as a Network Engineer......exactly the same as what I have done with my current company.

How do you think people become network engineers if they are unable to get a job without any experience?

Plenty of people bash the public sector but it gives young (and older) people the chance to get into roles which otherwise they would not be able to without experience.

In several years time when I have the experience, I will then be able to look at getting a job in the private sector (if I wanted to obviously).

Not bashing it but I see the frustration from some people and I can understand it, but that's life!

Personally I think it's great you've been able to do something you want to do and I know how hard it is to work your way up from the bottom line on a helpdesk, I've done exactly the same over the past 3 years and it's finally paying off.