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logic_guy
14th October 2011, 07:03
Me and the g/f were talking about if and when we have children, they will be bought up properally. I said that if the little bastard messed around, it would get a swift smack on the back of the legs, that'll sort them out.

She disagree's, saying itws cruel and you should tell them 'No'. I said to her that you can tell them now but they will just carry on as there isn't anyone going to stop them.

What are your views on this? Good to have some disciplined or just say 'No' to the kid?

haz_pro
14th October 2011, 07:26
100% agree, the problem is if you do smack, and someone finds out and goes to the police/rspcc (or whatever it is), then you can get in HUGE trouble.

holdawayt
14th October 2011, 07:35
I was smacked as a child, it bloody worked and I've had huge respect for my parents since. I'm sure my girlfriend would disagree though.

Giraffe
14th October 2011, 08:01
I was smacked as a child as well, no respect for either of my parents. My girlfriend was smacked, until her dad realised all he was doing was making her scared and she's turned out to be an absolute gem of a person. Using a physical advantage over a child is wrong IMO. If you can't use your intellect to get your advantage over a child then you probably aren't smart enough to be a parent.

Now, considering logic_guy can't even spell properly, I'm thinking this is why he'd smack a child.

What's wrong with telling them no, explaining why what they have done is wrong and perhaps showing them a better way of doing things? Probably cos people are far too lazy or stupid to think of it.

Carl-h
14th October 2011, 08:01
I think A small smack is fine, but there's a line where beating a child is wrong. I had small smacks as a child and I've turned out alright.

Giraffe
14th October 2011, 08:05
Me and the g/f were talking about if and when we have children, they will be bought up properally. I said that if the little bastard messed around, it would get a swift smack on the back of the legs, that'll sort them out.

She disagree's, saying itws cruel and you should tell them 'No'. I said to her that you can tell them now but they will just carry on as there isn't anyone going to stop them.

What are your views on this? Good to have some disciplined or just say 'No' to the kid?

QFT just to show how dumb the post looks.

For the record, I'm not against a small smack if the child clearly hasn't responded to being told before, or if they have used violence against yourself or another person. As long as it's explained though, i.e. I smacked you to show you that it hurts and hurting people is wrong.

Manu
14th October 2011, 08:07
a smack does not hurt when applied properly and the kid has nappies on etc, but it's a last resort after telling the kid off a few times and he still comes back with some attitude. Would never slap a child otherwise as it's more like beating.

devilsadvocate
14th October 2011, 08:11
I was slapped (not beaten) as a kid and never did me any harm.

GrantW
14th October 2011, 08:13
I was smacked as a kid if what I did deserved it or I was a cheeky wee shite and didn't listen/stop what I was doing etc. I turned out fine, and I would say a smack is fine if not abused.

I work in a chip shop, and some kids that come in honestly are the worst behaved kids in the world, and the parents just let them. There's no way I would have been allowed to behave like that, especially in a shop!

jw1325
14th October 2011, 08:22
Totally and utterly FOR smacking.

Not beating the living shit out a kid, but a good belt across the arse to leave it stinging for 5 mintues to me is a last resort to remind a kid just where their place is in the world.

Wouldn't do it for silly wee things, but say they were hitting their sibling, and you had told them off, and they do it again - skelp them and let them see hwo it it feels to be on the receiving end.

I was smacked as a child, it worked untill my teens and started boxing. My mum still raises her hand to me these days when she gets frustrated with me but she's only 5"3 and quite frankly I just laugh at her now.

Proffitt
14th October 2011, 08:27
I was smacked as a child too, It worked. Obvs wasn't beaten but a smack when I deserved it.

I think I will do the same to my children too. If they are being a little shit, they will get a smack. Not having my kids growing up like some of the kids these days.

Reechard
14th October 2011, 08:29
I think that if you cant get the child to understand that they did wrong or they just dont want to learn from their mistake then smacking works.

I was smacked when I had done really bad things. It was explained that I had done wrong and I definately didnt do it again. Not saying either way works 100% so a combo of the two is best.

I would smack my children, when I have some, if the situation calls for it. However hopefully I can bring them up so that they respect people and will only ever need telling off.

Payney
14th October 2011, 08:31
Have to say I think they should allow parents to smack there kids, as above, because it actually does make you learn, I have great respect for my parents and other people in the family...

But to the thread... No i don't atall, they should be smacked as many times as there being naughty for.

nicole_
14th October 2011, 08:35
in some situations i think a smack on the hand is acceptable. if no isnt working i think its okay to reinforce but id only smack on the hand
i dont think felt on belts are acceptable

Piggie
14th October 2011, 09:07
No and anyone who does is a complete twat.

What kind of fucked up world do we live in where we are told how to be parents?

If i hadn't have got a slap for being a little prick when i was younger i would have no regard for the law or have any respect.

When i do have kids ill smack them if they mis behave. No one will tell me otherwise. That is the way to teach them right from wrong

Saxovch22
14th October 2011, 09:27
I was smacked and it soon stopped me stepping out of line again although the threats of going to the bad boys home were just as scary lol

Look at kids these days running rings round there parents
because they've had no discipline , when there parents say
no or stop that they just laugh in their faces.

I will smack my kids if they step too far out of line maybe not the " bare bum smack" I received though just a small slap on the wrist.

Brettles1986
14th October 2011, 09:30
I was smacked and it soon stopped me stepping out of line again although the threats of going to the bad boys home were just as scary lol

Look at kids these days running rings round there parents
because they've had no discipline , when there parents say
no or stop that they just laugh in their faces.

I will smack my kids if they step too far out of line maybe not the " bare bum smack" I received though just a small slap on the wrist.

A slap on the wrist fucking hurts, I could never be a junkie

Giraffe
14th October 2011, 09:32
No and anyone who does is a complete twat.

What kind of fucked up world do we live in where we are told how to be parents?

If i hadn't have got a slap for being a little prick when i was younger i would have no regard for the law or have any respect.

When i do have kids ill smack them if they mis behave. No one will tell me otherwise. That is the way to teach them right from wrong

So hitting a kid is the only way to teach them? What happened to just speaking to them?

Unfortunately, we live in a fucked up world where parents are incompetent as fuck; that's why people need to be told. Maybe if your parents had just spoken to you and shown you a better way, you wouldn't have needed a smack either.

How about when everyone gets arrested, no matter what for, coppers just batter them with truncheons? More serious crime - more serious beating.

Fuck it, just realised how much of an ignorant thick fuck you are. Your kids will turn out to be thick as fuck as well, and probably not respect you but fear you. Good luck, you'll need it. If you actually know how to make babies that is.

TypeRDavid
14th October 2011, 09:38
Nothing wrong with giving them a tap, sometimes that's the only way the child learns.

Dave E30 do you have kids yourself?, because it sounds like you don't to me.

devilsadvocate
14th October 2011, 09:40
There is a big difference between giving a kid a smack and actually beating them.

A slap on the arse or back of the legs is as far as I would go.....when the belt comes out then you know it's gone much too far.

Even if you bring your kids up to have respect for you, once they make friends with other kids who are little fuckers then the respect is going to dissapear fairly quickly.

Mochachino
14th October 2011, 09:43
I used to smack my gf on the arse if she was naughty. That worked so yeh

Giraffe
14th October 2011, 09:44
Nothing wrong with giving them a tap, sometimes that's the only way the child learns.

Dave E30 do you have kids yourself?, because it sounds like you don't to me.

No, I don't. I do however have 6 younger siblings. I don't want kids. However, I think you assume I don't have kids because I've said I'm against smacking, but if you read up, I'm not against it, I just think it should be used when appropriate.

My parents only hit me when they couldn't find the words they needed to make me see sense or when they lost their temper, and I've turned out 100% ok, proving it's really not necessary. Same goes for my missus really.

It's like if you do something wrong at school, should the teachers smack you? Or should they just tell you off. If you make a mistake at work or do something wrong, would you expect your boss to hit you? If people break the law, instead of going to prison etc, should they just get a good smack around? If you're being a prick in a night club, should the doormen have a word with you, or take you round the back and break your legs? I agree that smacking a kid teaches them right from wrong, but it's not the only way.

Jaytee
14th October 2011, 09:50
I would. Used to get the odd smack across the back of the legs when i was being a little dick. Only very occasionally though. I have massive respect for my parents and have known right from wrong from a very early age.

Kids will always try to push boundries. Those boundries need to be set very early on. Most of the time shouting worked with me. Maimly cause my dad rarely shouts so it was always fairly scary. But sometimes id push it to far an get my arse tanned for it. Which was fair enough. I knew my place and rarely crossed the line. Like i said huge amounts of respect for my parents.

TypeRDavid
14th October 2011, 09:52
No, I don't. I do however have 6 younger siblings. I don't want kids. However, I think you assume I don't have kids because I've said I'm against smacking, but if you read up, I'm not against it, I just think it should be used when appropriate.

My parents only hit me when they couldn't find the words they needed to make me see sense or when they lost their temper, and I've turned out 100% ok, proving it's really not necessary. Same goes for my missus really.

Totally agree, my daughter is at that terrible 2 stage, where she replies to everything by either saying No!, or just screaming the house down, most of the time me or my other half kneel down and get face to face with her and tell her what she has done wrong, then sometimes giving her a tap on the hand/ backside if its needed.

I also think some people over react when others say they smack their children, i believe there is a difference between controlled discipline and out right beating.

Mochachino
14th October 2011, 09:57
It's like if you do something wrong at school, should the teachers smack you? Or should they just tell you off. If you make a mistake at work or do something wrong, would you expect your boss to hit you? If people break the law, instead of going to prison etc, should they just get a good smack around? If you're being a prick in a night club, should the doormen have a word with you, or take you round the back and break your legs? I agree that smacking a kid teaches them right from wrong, but it's not the only way.

There was a poll and something like 80% voted for dicipline with smacking etc brought back in at schools. Its being considered.

To a young kid, word are just words, they understand them but do words make an effect on a kid unless you are shouting them? Thats why get smacked. I dont think people are saying smacking should be braught back in to be the only form of disipline either LOL, just allowed.

iamryan
14th October 2011, 10:00
I 100% agree with controlled discipline.
I was smacked as a kid and I have respect for my mum, dad never smacked me just shouted alot and at the age of 16 I finally realised he was a poof and wouldnt hit me so I hit him. OHHH GOD did I have respect after the beating I got

End of the day if my dad had smacked my as I was growing up I would have respected him

Lionsden
14th October 2011, 10:01
Me and the g/f were talking about if and when we have children, they will be bought up properally. I said that if the little bastard messed around, it would get a swift smack on the back of the legs, that'll sort them out.

She disagree's, saying itws cruel and you should tell them 'No'. I said to her that you can tell them now but they will just carry on as there isn't anyone going to stop them.

What are your views on this? Good to have some disciplined or just say 'No' to the kid?

I don't smack my son although I am very firm with disciplining him.

I'm not against smacking, but I'd rather bring my son up without if possible.

If your refering to your future child/children as little bastards, I can imagine how they'll turn out regardless of smacking, discipline, etc...

I like this poem, we had it on the wall of my parents house as I grew up, and it makes a lot of sense...

If a child lives with criticism, he learns to condemn.
If a child lives with hostility, he learns to fight.
If a child lives with fear, he learns to be apprehensive.
If a child lives with jealousy, he learns to feel guilt.
If a child lives with tolerance, he learns to be patient.
If a child lives with encouragement, he learns to be confident.
If a child lives with praise, he learns to be appreciative.
If a child lives with acceptance, he learns to love.
If a child lives with approval, he learns to like himself.
If a child lives with recognition, he learns that it is good to have a goal.
If a child lives with honesty, he learns what truth is.
If a child lives with fairness, he learns justice.
If a child lives with security, he learns to trust in himself and others .
If a child lives with friendliness, he learns the world is a nice place in which to live.

Giraffe
14th October 2011, 10:04
Totally agree, my daughter is at that terrible 2 stage, where she replies to everything by either saying No!, or just screaming the house down, most of the time me or my other half kneel down and get face to face with her and tell her what she has done wrong, then sometimes giving her a tap on the hand/ backside if its needed.

I also think some people over react when others say they smack their children, i believe there is a difference between controlled discipline and out right beating.

I totally agree with you, but it needs to be controlled. Smacking someone as a first step or without explanation gets nowhere really, and will probably only teach a kid that violence is an acceptable solution... When I see a parent smack a kid in a shop or something without telling them off, I really don't wonder why we have so many violent people in society. I just think if a parent hits their kid too frequent, the kid will go and hit other people to release built up anger at parents cos they can't hit their parents.

I mean my parents smacked me, sometimes I agreed, other times I knew it was just because they were frustrated, and often my mum at least, would apologise.

KamRacing
14th October 2011, 10:06
I used to smack my gf on the arse if she was naughty. That worked so yeh

maybe look at dating someone older?:y::y:

Giraffe
14th October 2011, 10:09
There was a poll and something like 80% voted for dicipline with smacking etc brought back in at schools. Its being considered.

To a young kid, word are just words, they understand them but do words make an effect on a kid unless you are shouting them? Thats why get smacked. I dont think people are saying smacking should be braught back in to be the only form of disipline either LOL, just allowed.

To a young kid, you need to choose the right words and come down to their level to make them see sense. Obviously if you give them a rant with words they don't understand or don't put it in a way they can't understand, then they wont... Same as if a kid only ever gets shouted at, they will start to ignore it. If you very rarely shout, the times you do shout have a much greater effect, same with smacking.

I think physical discipline in schools is only being considered and has so much support because kids are out of control nowadays, but trace that back to the source... If parents were disciplining their kids properly, it wouldn't be necessary. Of course, no parents will be perfect, and I accept that people get it wrong...

nicole_
14th October 2011, 10:12
I totally agree with you, but it needs to be controlled. Smacking someone as a first step or without explanation gets nowhere really, and will probably only teach a kid that violence is an acceptable solution... When I see a parent smack a kid in a shop or something without telling them off, I really don't wonder why we have so many violent people in society. I just think if a parent hits their kid too frequent, the kid will go and hit other people to release built up anger at parents cos they can't hit their parents.

I mean my parents smacked me, sometimes I agreed, other times I knew it was just because they were frustrated, and often my mum at least, would apologise.

i dont think its right for people without kids to analyse others and criticize.
i know before i had my baby i used to look at people with screaming little ones and think why dont they make them quiet etc, and now i know how hard it is!
how do you know the child hasnt been in every shop being a nightmare and been warned several times!

Lionsden
14th October 2011, 10:12
I 100% agree with controlled discipline.
I was smacked as a kid and I have respect for my mum, dad never smacked me just shouted alot and at the age of 16 I finally realised he was a poof and wouldnt hit me so I hit him. OHHH GOD did I have respect after the beating I got

End of the day if my dad had smacked my as I was growing up I would have respected him

Same could be said the other way around though.

I was totally the opposite, my father was the one who would give me a smack, and my mother just tell me off. When I was about 14 or 15 my father went to give me a clip and I ducked and punched him in the stomach putting him straight on the floor. I felt terrible and didn't know what to say, and just ran off, but he never went to hit me again and our relationship got a million times better.

Mochachino
14th October 2011, 10:13
If you very rarely shout, the times you do shout have a much greater effect, same with smacking.

:y: .

itslikethat
14th October 2011, 10:18
yes and no. Yes to discipline if they have done something majorly wrong. Not a really hard smack. NO WAY. Just so they can feel it and realise they have done wrong.

Other than that just be firm with them, i hate unrespectful spoilt children that dont give a fuck about anything and dont appreciate things.

More teenagers of these days are like that^ they should of been disciplined better at a younger age,.

Giraffe
14th October 2011, 10:25
i dont think its right for people without kids to analyse others and criticize.
i know before i had my baby i used to look at people with screaming little ones and think why dont they make them quiet etc, and now i know how hard it is!
how do you know the child hasnt been in every shop being a nightmare and been warned several times!

If that's the case, then the parent is obviously not doing something right. I know kids can be a nightmare if you take them out for the day, that's why you get it right beforehand, or take them home out the way of the public. Something to be said for not airing your dirty laundry in public...

nicole_
14th October 2011, 10:31
If that's the case, then the parent is obviously not doing something right. I know kids can be a nightmare if you take them out for the day, that's why you get it right beforehand, or take them home out the way of the public. Something to be said for not airing your dirty laundry in public...

i think your in for a big shock if you ever have a child :p
they're not machines, they act up, they do naughty things, no amount of parenting will stop children misbehaving from time to time lol

Giraffe
14th October 2011, 10:34
i think your in for a big shock if you ever have a child :p
they're not machines, they act up, they do naughty things, no amount of parenting will stop children misbehaving from time to time lol

Read up, I don't want kids. However, I bet if I did, I'd be better than 90% of people today, which wouldn't be difficult. I know how kids act up, 6 siblings.

A child misbehaving from time to time, wouldn't need a smack would they, because it's not frequent?

However, if a kid is messing around in a shop or being a grumpy little bugger, chances are that they are bored/tired? Should you really smack a child for being bored/tired? I dunno if he does, but does your baby cry when he's tired? I know a lot of kids do, but you aren't going to smack him are you, probably try and get him to sleep instead? As I've said, I just think it needs to be appropriate, sure, if the kid is just being a proper little shit, then smack them, but not in front of others either, don't humiliate them...

Mochachino
14th October 2011, 10:39
Then the child needs to learn patience.

A child misbehaving from time to time wouldnt need a smack for something minor, but what if its something abit more serious? I think kids cry for more reasons than being bored and tired.

Giraffe
14th October 2011, 10:44
Then the child needs to learn patience.

A child misbehaving from time to time wouldnt need a smack for something minor, but what if its something abit more serious? I think kids cry for more reasons than being bored and tired.

Obviously, but I'm on about in the context of being out shopping. I guess if they can't have what they want they might cry, but a smack is a short term solution to a long term issue isn't it... They need to be taught why they can't have what they want all the time, or why they need to be patient, smacking them wont teach them that, it will teach them that if they moan on or cry, they will get a smack... Like I say, not totally against it, but should be a last resort.

nicole_
14th October 2011, 10:46
However, if a kid is messing around in a shop or being a grumpy little bugger, chances are that they are bored/tired? Should you really smack a child for being bored/tired? I dunno if he does, but does your baby cry when he's tired? I know a lot of kids do, but you aren't going to smack him are you, probably try and get him to sleep instead? As I've said, I just think it needs to be appropriate, sure, if the kid is just being a proper little shit, then smack them, but not in front of others either, don't humiliate them...

no i dont hit him, because ive learnt to never let him get to that stage of overtiredness or it takes hours to get him to sleep. you look for the signs he gives you and as soon as you see two he goes straight for a nap - avoiding all crying. something you wouldnt know because you arent a parent, same as i dont think your in a place to say you'll be a better parent then 90% of people.
what are you going to do food shopping then? oh no mini dave is tired, leave the shopping, we'll go straight home...or if hes bored, stop what your doing and go and play?
its not as easy as you think. my LO gets bored when we go out for food, we dont drop what were doing and start playing games. what would you do in this situation to avoid a stroppy naughty child? :p

Mochachino
14th October 2011, 10:48
Dave_E30 >>>>>>>> Super Nanny

OneTime_
14th October 2011, 10:48
I was smacked as a child. Wooden spoon most of the time but if that wasn't around whatever my dad could reach really. Personally think smacking is good for kids, but don't leave it at that. Explain why they were smacked so they don't do it again.

Legally you can smack your child, but you are not allowed to leave a mark for more than 10mins. So if you smack them, and their skin is still red after 10mins then you have smacked them too hard and are breaking the law.

Mochachino
14th October 2011, 10:52
I was smacked as a child. Wooden spoon most of the time but if that wasn't around whatever my dad could reach really. Personally think smacking is good for kids, but don't leave it at that. Explain why they were smacked so they don't do it again.

Legally you can smack your child, but you are not allowed to leave a mark for more than 10mins. So if you smack them, and their skin is still red after 10mins then you have smacked them too hard and are breaking the law.

Im going to smack mine kid REALLY hard to leave a mark and then immediatly rub some deep heat rub into their arse cheaks.

Piggie
14th October 2011, 10:56
So hitting a kid is the only way to teach them? What happened to just speaking to them?

Unfortunately, we live in a fucked up world where parents are incompetent as fuck; that's why people need to be told. Maybe if your parents had just spoken to you and shown you a better way, you wouldn't have needed a smack either.

How about when everyone gets arrested, no matter what for, coppers just batter them with truncheons? More serious crime - more serious beating.

Fuck it, just realised how much of an ignorant thick fuck you are. Your kids will turn out to be thick as fuck as well, and probably not respect you but fear you. Good luck, you'll need it. If you actually know how to make babies that is.


Ok knobhead.

Im thick as fuck and ignorant because my mum decided smacking me was better than talking to me when i was too young to use the alphabet.

What a fool

Giraffe
14th October 2011, 10:56
no i dont hit him, because ive learnt to never let him get to that stage of overtiredness or it takes hours to get him to sleep. you look for the signs he gives you and as soon as you see two he goes straight for a nap - avoiding all crying. something you wouldnt know because you arent a parent, same as i dont think your in a place to say you'll be a better parent then 90% of people.
what are you going to do food shopping then? oh no mini dave is tired, leave the shopping, we'll go straight home...or if hes bored, stop what your doing and go and play?
its not as easy as you think. my LO gets bored when we go out for food, we dont drop what were doing and start playing games. what would you do in this situation to avoid a stroppy naughty child? :p

Right, so you don't let him get over tired, i.e. you don't let it become a problem. Is that not what I've just said people should do, sort a problem out before it becomes a problem?

As for food shopping, are people really that incompetent at food shopping that one parent can't stay at home whilst the other goes to do the shopping? In the case of a single parent, then yeah, kid will probably have to go. If they get stroppy, I'd tolerate it til I got home cos it's not as if it takes an eternity to do food shopping, or try and give them some sort of attention whilst doing the shopping, or try and go at a more appropriate time, i.e. when they weren't stroppy. I wouldn't drag them round the shop by the hand or let them run riot whilst I got on with it, depending on age. The only option isn't to smack them to shut them up...

As for not knowing about getting kids to sleep, you're right, I'm not a parent. I have however, had to do shit like that with both of my little brothers, i.e. feeding them, getting them to sleep, winding them etc. I'm not saying I've had a full parental experience, cos obviously I haven't, but it's not like I've had no exposure to it...

@ Danny, supernanny don't have shit on me. iJoke, I'd make a shit parent because I'm too selfish, and don't have the patience. In theory, I'd be pretty good.

Giraffe
14th October 2011, 10:57
Ok knobhead.

Im thick as fuck and ignorant because my mum decided smacking me was better than talking to me when i was too young to use the alphabet.

What a fool

Fuck off ignorant twat, your mum lacked patience. Sucks that you have shit parents, go cry. Does she still smack you now?

I called you thick as fuck and ignorant for saying that anyone who disagrees with you is a twat, by the way. Wouldn't have expected you to realise I'd bolded that bit though, probs not smart enough eh.

Mieran
14th October 2011, 11:03
I would beat the shit out of my kids

Can't stand annoying kids

Piggie
14th October 2011, 11:07
Fuck off ignorant twat, your mum lacked patience. Sucks that you have shit parents, go cry. Does she still smack you now?

I called you thick as fuck and ignorant for saying that anyone who disagrees with you is a twat, by the way. Wouldn't have expected you to realise I'd bolded that bit though, probs not smart enough eh.

Im afraid yours where worse.

You where clearly taught you where 'above' being smacked as your 'above 'me and everyone else on here.

Anyone who has a child that cries in public is a failure. And you would be better

My mum didnt smack me straight away all the time, but for some things ie biting my lil brother a stern word just wouldnt sink in. Eepecialy considering i was what 2/3 years old.

I wouldnt have even understood the words coming out of her mouth but when my arse stung i realised i shouldnt have done it.

Giraffe
14th October 2011, 11:11
Im afraid yours where worse.

You where clearly taught you where 'above' being smacked as your 'above 'me and everyone else on here.

Anyone who has a child that cries in public is a failure. And you would be better

My mum didnt smack me straight away all the time, but for some things ie biting my lil brother a stern word just wouldnt sink in. Eepecialy considering i was what 2/3 years old.

I wouldnt have even understood the words coming out of her mouth but when my arse stung i realised i shouldnt have done it.

Hahaha, I've not said that, I've said I accept kids cry in public, it's one of those things, just don't smack them in public. I've also said I was smacked, and would smack a kid if they used violence, that includes biting. I don't believe my opinion is correct or law, it's just an opinion. However, when someone says hitting a kid is the only way to teach them right or wrong, as you did, it's obvious you're talking shit.

As for being better, well, yeah I can't argue with that, that's pretty much fact ;) biiiiite

Piggie
14th October 2011, 11:17
Hahaha, I've not said that, I've said I accept kids cry in public, it's one of those things, just don't smack them in public. I've also said I was smacked, and would smack a kid if they used violence, that includes biting. I don't believe my opinion is correct or law, it's just an opinion. However, when someone says hitting a kid is the only way to teach them right or wrong, as you did, it's obvious you're talking shit.

As for being better, well, yeah I can't argue with that, that's pretty much fact ;) biiiiite

And so are you when you state that having 5 little brothers makes you better than 90% of the worlds parents.

You are right i worded that wrong so it appeared that i was refuting anything else anyone said. So for that i apologise.

I meant its the best way. Depending on circumstances.

But fuck me you get on one quick. You immediantly assume my mum was a failure and im an ignorant stupid cunt.

Makes you seem like a wanker

Giraffe
14th October 2011, 11:20
And so are you when you state that having 5 little brothers makes you better than 90% of the worlds parents.

You are right i worded that wrong so it appeared that i was refuting anything else anyone said. So for that i apologise.

I meant its the best way. Depending on circumstances.

But fuck me you get on one quick. You immediantly assume my mum was a failure and im an ignorant stupid cunt.

Makes you seem like a wanker

That's cos I am a wanker... I have 4 little brothers by the way, and a little sister. It's not because I have them, but because I've seen how NOT to be a parent from my parents. Also quite interested in behaviourism in general. Like I said though, in theory, I'd be good. In practise, probably shit. I also said that it wasn't hard to better the parenting of most people, 90% was probably an over exaggeration, well, definitely, but I most certainly wouldn't do a bad job.

EDIT: Fail as fuck, I have 5 little brothers, 2 of whom I despise, hence forgetting one.

LSOfreak
14th October 2011, 11:30
my mum used to bring out the slipper lol

infact she still does

Manu
14th October 2011, 11:37
I know of someone with a kid, 3 years old. Said kid will slap anyone who says no to him, he pretty much is the little king of the house. The mother has a non slap policy, and will give him a slap on the hand when he hits her if you could call that a slap (more like a gentle hand tap, tantrums always follow). He also aims for the boobs because he knows that hurts more. That + being a drama queen and throwing a tantrum about anything and everything. Shrieks as loud as possible to hurt your ears too. Pretty much turned into a little shit.

Fuck knows what he will be like at 16 after being taught all his life he can do what he wants, like he wants without fear of punishment.

Moke
14th October 2011, 11:39
I was smacked as a child, it bloody worked and I've had huge respect for my parents since.

This.

My dad grew up where he got smacked as a kid and he did the same as a father...

I don't think I'd smack my kid though, unless he did something really out of the ordinary.

Bound
14th October 2011, 12:28
I know of someone with a kid, 3 years old. Said kid will slap anyone who says no to him, he pretty much is the little king of the house. The mother has a non slap policy, and will give him a slap on the hand when he hits her if you could call that a slap (more like a gentle hand tap, tantrums always follow). He also aims for the boobs because he knows that hurts more. That + being a drama queen and throwing a tantrum about anything and everything. Shrieks as loud as possible to hurt your ears too. Pretty much turned into a little shit.

Fuck knows what he will be like at 16 after being taught all his life he can do what he wants, like he wants without fear of punishment.

This. I know what you mean. Puts me of kids.

Manu
14th October 2011, 12:35
then I have other mates, their kid just behaves like a model child and listens to his parents. World of difference as he was put back firmly in his place when needed, that did not involve any smacking. Like I described earlier a firm slap on the bottom while the kid is wearing a nappy is not gonna hurt, just his feelings.

If you don't show the kid you're the one who has authority and is in charge then you're in for a world of shit.

0rang3peel
14th October 2011, 12:47
I'm never going to have kids, I can hardly look after myself.

Having kipped on a fair few of my mates sofas and being woken up numerous times by their kids sticking lego bricks up my nose when I'm feeling fairly fucking fragile.

Beats would be handed out!

MrHouston
14th October 2011, 12:55
No.

Me and my girlfriend have a 2 year old and never smack him, it sets a bad example. If you smack the child when they are naughty, they think that is what you do when people are naughty and if they see another child being naughty they will smack them because that's what they think is right because that's what gets done to them... it's wrong!

Parents need to be patient and have other ways of dealing with naughty kids! We do things like take his toys away for the night, or sit him in the 'naughty corner' and the 'naughty stair'. If we're out we let him have his little tantrum, ask him if he's finished and when he is we explain to him why instead of smacking because that teaches nothing and just stops it for a short while.

A_Whit
14th October 2011, 13:06
Stop all this bickering ! It's childish in its self, I used to gets slap round the arse for slamming doors being rude etc never did me any harm and I'm probably a better person for it now. At the end of the day people are always going to have different views on this subject and tbh I don't think either smacking or not smacking is wrong. There's always going to be different methods for parenting and getting your message across.
I'm not a massive fan of violence and think things can be talked over ( hate it when people shout in arguments it's just not needed) however I don't class slapping a kid on the back of the legs as violence, it's discipline and it works but obviously there are other methods like using a naughty step of something similar that do exactly the same job

nicole_
14th October 2011, 13:11
No.

Me and my girlfriend have a 2 year old and never smack him,

you have a child?!

MrHouston
14th October 2011, 13:19
I'm not the father but we're that close he feels like my own now :)

Piggie
14th October 2011, 13:26
I'm not the father but we're that close he feels like my own now :)

Sure your 19?

All credit to you mate could NEVER do that at my age.

MrHouston
14th October 2011, 14:03
I'm 21, girlfriend is 26. Got a good job and now looking for our own place for the 3 of us :)

Piggie
14th October 2011, 15:10
I'm 21, girlfriend is 26. Got a good job and now looking for our own place for the 3 of us :)

My bad must have dreamt it or read a really old thread....

All the best to you all :y:

itslikethat
14th October 2011, 15:53
Massive respect for you mate. Keep it up it will be good for the kid. Well done.

Saxologist
14th October 2011, 16:23
Whats the point of having a 'Not sure' as an answer?

I wasn't slapped as a kid, but I always had respect for my parents.

If you're in he enviroment where a a slap isn't needed, i.e I drew on a wall, my mum says stop, I stopped.

If I hadn't my mum would have hit my wrist or something.

When I swore at about 5, my mum its a bad word, I said it again, then she rubbed soap on my teeth. Wasn't nice. I didn't swear till I was like 14 :/

Cornish_Mafia
14th October 2011, 17:00
I think its dependant on the kid personally, also alot of people seem to be stating if they would/wouldnt depending on how they were brought up "my parents smacked me and it never did me any harm" etc.

As kids me and my brothers were kept well in line and if we crossed the line at any point we knew about it since my dad got a bit OTT with the discipline. At the time i just thought he was being a major prick but then fairly recently i found out that my grandad used to kick the shit out of him on a weekly basis when he was a kid and thats all my dad understood about "discipline" so though he understood and knew it was wrong there was no appropriate education on an alternative which worked so we all had a dampened down version of what he got.

Personally im not against smacking, i am against beating and you have to be careful not to cross the line with kids but then i dont think you can have a definate yes/no approach since every kid is different and react better/worse to certain things