Another what car thread! DC2 or boost the vts

[Chris_O]

Following the dc2 thread I made last week, I just want to see the general opinion from people on here.

Do I:

1) Get rid of the s, hopefully for around £2000, and buy a nicely spec'd dc2 (decent coilovers/braces/exhaust etc ) for around the £4000 mark.

Or:

2) Keep the s and turbo it. Worked out it will cost me around the £2500 mark all in to get it to around 180/90 bhp on standard internals.

I know it's my decision at the end of the day, however I just want to get some opinions off of people on here as I keep changing my mind.

I know I may not see all the money back if I spend it on the s, but i've accepted the fact a long time ago that's what happens when you modify cars. I'm also aware that dc2's may be seen as expensive for what they are i.e. age etc, however i'm sure they will hold their value pretty well.

Fire away!! :P

Edit: bearing in my mind I would also be considering boosting a dc2 if a get one after a year or so of ownership

[Ashleyp]

As much as I slate Honda's for being well overpriced etc, and overhyped.

I'd rather have a DC2 over a saxo, boosted or not.

The Honda will be better in the long run if further modification is what you're after.

[Sparky26]

dc2 without doubt.

[Jay_]

yep DC2

[Mr_X]

Errr. DC2

[Chris_O]

As much as I slate Honda's for being well overpriced etc, and overhyped.

I'd rather have a DC2 over a saxo, boosted or not.

The Honda will be better in the long run if further modification is what you're after.

Exactly what I was thinking, better basis to start with

dc2 without doubt.

Cheers for input

[Ashleyp]

I still think there are better cars for the money out there though.

But if a DC2 is what you're after, each to their own and all that jazz.

[Chris_O]

I can see where this one's going haha. I just don't know if i'm going to regret it if i get rid of the vts as i've wanted a boosted one for a good few years. Or should i just man the fuck up, get rid of it and get a better car lol

[Chris_O]

I still think there are better cars for the money out there though.

But if a DC2 is what you're after, each to their own and all that jazz.

Can I just have a couple of examples from yourself as to what you think is better out there for the money? Just want ideas...

[Ashleyp]

Sometimes it's just better to cut it off.

I enjoyed my VTS when i had it, but it was getting to the point where i was spending money on mods to see no real benefit other than on the track, and so just became more annoyed with it as a daily.

Just one day decided to sack it off, and buy a more sensible daily which as a bonus is a more exciting / quicker car.

I miss the simplicity of driving a saxo, but when it's gone and you've upgraded you'll see it's worth it.

[Tontsy]

id go for the DC2. im with ash, and id say there are better cars out there for the money.

but from the two, it would be the honda all day long.

[Ashleyp]

Can I just have a couple of examples from yourself as to what you think is better out there for the money? Just want ideas...

I know it's the generic "BMW are the best" blah blah stuff.

But an E36 M3 for me over the dc2 every day.

more comfortable and useable day to day.
quicker
RWD
321bhp, and for a couple of hundred you'll be seeing closer to 360bhp.
a LOT more torque than the honda, and smooth torque from 2k to 8k rpm
decent MPG
leather interior (debatable as to weather it's better / equal to the recaro's of the honda though. I've sat in and really like both)
same age, but more durable for the age (even though the majority will still need replaced bushes etc)

or if something more modern is your desire, an E46 330.

[Chris_O]

Cheers for the suggestion. I have considered the beemer route but I don't think I will get a decent example of a top end e46 for my price range + the insurance is a lot more than the dc2. Also not a huge fan of the e36 shape to be honest

[Ashleyp]

Cheers for the suggestion. I have considered the beemer route but I don't think I will get a decent example of a top end e46 for my price range + the insurance is a lot more than the dc2. Also not a huge fan of the e36 shape to be honest

Fair play, as I say. each to their own.

Finding a good example does seem pretty damn hard at the mo. and the price for an average one still seems to be around 4 - 5k.

e46 330's aren't as cheap as i thought either. still seem to fetch around the 6k mark.

Perhaps a scoob or evo? (I don't have a clue how much either go for) But the running costs will undoubtedly be higher and so i'd hace the Honda over either.

[TypeRDavid]

RS Clio for that sort of money, although you simply can't ignore the Civic Type R for what little money you can pick them up for these days.

All depends on what you can afford, you have to think about a few things, how much is it going to cost in the long run, MPG, Reliability etc

For me I'd go with the Civic, purely for reliable fun, although again the Clio would be a good contender.

[Ashleyp]

Good point David.

the K20 in the EP3 is pretty good, for both MPG and not bad power from a 2.0N/A

It's certainly not as 'raw' a drivers car as the DC2, but more modern and probably a better 'all round' option.

Ep3 is more common though, so if you're after a rarer sight, the DC2 is still the choice to have.

I like the 172 / 182. but EP3 over the RS for me after driving both.

[jw1325]

I wouldn't pay the money for a DC2 now - especially when you could pick up a 54 plate EP3 with subtle Mods and around 50-60k for around 4k these days.

DC2's are awesome (just have to look at my boyfriends to see that) but still worth silly money that I wouldn't really want to pay for their age.

[blackie_2k5]

From wanting to sell my car then turbo'ing it, I can say turbo tbh, totally diff car, a lot rarer then a dc2 aswel as being a lot faster

Ppl who've never driven/been in a boosted Saxo or 106 can't imagine how much fun they are

But as said its ultimately your decision, id say if you know someone's who you can have a go of in a boosted tu.... Definitely have a try and see what you think before you sell up

[MiniGibbo]

I know it's the generic "BMW are the best" blah blah stuff.

But an E36 M3 for me over the dc2 every day.

more comfortable and useable day to day.
quicker
RWD
321bhp, and for a couple of hundred you'll be seeing closer to 360bhp.
a LOT more torque than the honda, and smooth torque from 2k to 8k rpm
decent MPG
leather interior (debatable as to weather it's better / equal to the recaro's of the honda though. I've sat in and really like both)
same age, but more durable for the age (even though the majority will still need replaced bushes etc)

or if something more modern is your desire, an E46 330.

360hp is a lot more than a few hundred quid dude, your talking exhaust cams carbon plenum etc etc..

I wouldn't pay the money for a DC2 now - especially when you could pick up a 54 plate EP3 with subtle Mods and around 50-60k for around 4k these days.

DC2's are awesome (just have to look at my boyfriends to see that) but still worth silly money that I wouldn't really want to pay for their age.

To set the record straight your bf's dc2 you keep going on about looks shit.. :homme:

From wanting to sell my car then turbo'ing it, I can say turbo tbh, totally diff car, a lot rarer then a dc2 aswel as being a lot faster

Ppl who've never driven/been in a boosted Saxo or 106 can't imagine how much fun they are

But as said its ultimately your decision, id say if you know someone's who you can have a go of in a boosted tu.... Definitely have a try and see what you think before you sell up

Does yours do epic drifts in maccy d's when you "tray" the rear wheels?

[Lewis]

DC2 is an all time fav of mine, the sound alone is worth it

[lee_saxo]

I know it's the generic "BMW are the best" blah blah stuff.

But an E36 M3 for me over the dc2 every day.

decent MPG


Negative

[lee_saxo]

To set the record straight your bf's dc2 you keep going on about looks shit.. :homme:


never a truer word spoken :y:

[MiniGibbo]

Negative

You'd choose a Honda over an m3 :S

[lee_saxo]

You'd choose a Honda over an m3 :S

m3 decent MPG - Negative

[MiniGibbo]

Aha you should of put that in bold to stop confusion ;)

The oil consumption of a Honda out ways the fuel consumption on the BMW though :homme:

[CHIP]

Aha you should of put that in bold to stop confusion ;)

The oil consumption of a Honda out ways the fuel consumption on the BMW though :homme:

Lol... Tbf, i like the Teg's just not sure i'd spend that money on one. I'm not going to make any suggestions either as all the usual one's have been mentioned.

I made my decision and i'm happy with it - not to say it'd be the preference of everyone else.

[MiniGibbo]

No chip you jumped on the saxo bandwagon you fag :homme:

[Tommo87]

The oil consumption of a Honda out ways the fuel consumption on the BMW though :homme:

If its a good example and been looked after oil consumption should be no more than any other car.

[MiniGibbo]

If its a good example and been looked after oil consumption should be no more than any other car.

You cant fool with me fan boy with your fan boy blag of "good/bad" examples, good friends of mine have owned "good" examples to see anything upto 1litre per 1000miles..

[jw1325]

To set the record straight your bf's dc2 you keep going on about looks shit.. :homme:



it's not the 'look' of his DC2 that makes it amazing. although I think it does look the nuts - its whats been done to it. everything that has cosmetically been done to it was to aid performance. end of the day it is a track car - it wasn't built to win beauty pagents.

It's different and not just a big yellow boat that goes round in circles with its back wheels which can now be seen at most McDonalds now a days.

[MiniGibbo]

What id do is remove that hideous rear spoiler thats aiding traction for the rear wheels... o wait its faggot wheel drive so the spoiler is pointless my bad :homme:

[Tommo87]

You cant fool with me fan boy with your fan boy blag of "good/bad" examples, good friends of mine have owned "good" examples to see anything upto 1litre per 1000miles..

If that's the case then there was a serious issue somewhere with it.

[TypeRDavid]

Love all these claims, "yeah but my friends have had that problem bla bla fucking bla", I never had any issues with Oil consumption at all with mine, just the usual stereotypes doing the rounds again.

[MiniGibbo]

If that's the case then there was a serious issue somewhere with it.

Apparently not full hsh and both sold for top money circa 6500 each,

Both oem ukdm's too.

If they had a problem either Honda or the new buyers would of Picked up on it.. It's the same at track days every time you come into the pits if Hondas are present they'll have there bonnet open with a oil can in hand :homme:

[MiniGibbo]

Love all these claims, "yeah but my friends have had that problem bla bla fucking bla", I never had any issues with Oil consumption at all with mine, just the usual stereotypes doing the rounds again.

Another fan boy, grow a pair buy German.

[TypeRDavid]

Another fan boy, grow a pair buy German.

Lol, Ill stick with the cars iv'e got thanks, BTW Lancia had "Faggot" wheel drive back in the day and beat Audi's Quattro iirc :)

Just a little thought for ya ;)
Fuck Zie Germans :)

[lee_saxo]

Another fan boy, grow a pair buy German.

man the fuck up and go German

[Tommo87]

Had German, got bored went Jap and won't look back till I gets me an M5

[skidzVTR]

DC2 over a saxo every time

[lee_saxo]

Had German, got bored went Jap and won't look back till I gets me an M5

I had Jap got bored to easy to drive fast and went German

[Nik_L]

I know it's the generic "BMW are the best" blah blah stuff.

But an E36 M3 for me over the dc2 every day.

more comfortable and useable day to day.
quicker
RWD
321bhp, and for a couple of hundred you'll be seeing closer to 360bhp.
a LOT more torque than the honda, and smooth torque from 2k to 8k rpm
decent MPG
leather interior (debatable as to weather it's better / equal to the recaro's of the honda though. I've sat in and really like both)
same age, but more durable for the age (even though the majority will still need replaced bushes etc)

or if something more modern is your desire, an E46 330.

For 4k, i too would pick an E36 ///M3 over a DC2, but the running costs of the ///M3 would be far far higher than the Honda.
The Evo's also never make 321bhp, closer to 300bhp. And you would need to spend silly money getting 1 up to 360bhp. Certainly not a couple of hundred.
And decent MPG isn't true either.

I would say a 328i Sport with M50 inlet, BBTB, Exhaust, Filter, Remap and some suspension changes would be more of a similar all round comparison for the DC2. Performance and running costs/ initial outlay etc.

You would get a sorted 328i Sport for 4k.

[Nik_L]

What id do is remove that hideous rear spoiler thats aiding traction for the rear wheels... o wait its faggot wheel drive so the spoiler is pointless my bad :homme:

Funny thing is, it even sits at the same height as the roof like it would on a RWD car.

I would genuinly like to know why its fitted too.

[mangojace]

it's not the 'look' of his DC2 that makes it amazing. although I think it does look the nuts - its whats been done to it. everything that has cosmetically been done to it was to aid performance. end of the day it is a track car - it wasn't built to win beauty pagents.

It's different and not just a big yellow boat that goes round in circles with its back wheels which can now be seen at most McDonalds now a days.

DC2 not looking it's best at the minute as it's in bits at the moment while he decides what to do with it now hmmmm

His car can probably only just spin the wheels. He makes it out to be a m3 but its a slow piece of shit :homme: And a dc2 would make mincemeat out of his german barge.

[MiniGibbo]

Nik's got it in one :A:

[CHIP]

No chip you jumped on the saxo bandwagon you fag :homme:

I've owned 4 cars in my life. 2 Clio's then a Saxo and then another Clio. If anything i went back to my roots ;)

[mangojace]

Apparently not full hsh and both sold for top money circa 6500 each,

Both oem ukdm's too.

If they had a problem either Honda or the new buyers would of Picked up on it.. It's the same at track days every time you come into the pits if Hondas are present they'll have there bonnet open with a oil can in hand :homme:

How many trackdays you done? You want to do brands ?

[MiniGibbo]

I couldnt be within five miles of you other wise id have to punch you in the face until i couldnt lift my arms anymore..

[jw1325]

Funny thing is, it even sits at the same height as the roof like it would on a RWD car.

I would genuinly like to know why its fitted too.

it's fitted because it obviously makes some sort of difference.
now, me and my girl brain don't know that reason but he does.

[mangojace]

I couldnt be within five miles of you other wise id have to punch you in the face until i couldnt lift my arms anymore..

Ohhh id love to see you do that big boy :homme: Your welcome :D Your all mouth people from southampton tell me on here ;) Hope you come to some shows and tings ;)

[0rang3peel]

pics of said spoiler?

[MiniGibbo]

I do regular trackdays, and nearly every show..

[jw1325]

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=545&pictureid=6818

John you seen it at SMC in July

[0rang3peel]

Doesn't look too bad actually

[CHIP]

Doesn't look too bad actually

Exactly what i thought tbf. Quite like it minus the stickers. Although a shot of it stood still would be nicer to tell the details.

[0rang3peel]

Exactly what i thought tbf. Quite like it minus the stickers. Although a shot of it stood still would be nicer to tell the details.

yeah well you know how it is, haters gon hate!

[Nik_L]

it's fitted because it obviously makes some sort of difference.
now, me and my girl brain don't know that reason but he and the rest of the 'track' lot do.

all I know is he did one trackday with no spoiler, and it was sketchy, and he fitted that - along with other things- and proceeded to do his fastest lap times ever.

It will help with side to side stabilty at high speeds (feels funny saying that when the car in question is a DC2) but it will also more than likely lift the front wheels and lose traction. It will have some sort of benefits, but it will also have greater draw-backs.

Is it possible that the sketchy-ness was maybe reduced when the other things were fitted though??

[jw1325]

It will help with side to side stabilty at high speeds (feels funny saying that when the car in question is a DC2) but it will also more than likely lift the front wheels and lose traction. It will have some sort of benefits, but it will also have greater draw-backs.

Is it possible that the sketchy-ness was maybe reduced when the other things were fitted though??

when I say other things, I think all he did was fix a belt etc so nothing else really... I don't know for sure its his car! he's gonna have a read of this and I'm sure he'll put me right :y:

either way - 'Spoiler looks Bauus.' Martin Phillips - DC2 owner

[moxy89]

boosted or not its still a saxo mate, DC2 all the way i started getting mine ready for boosted broke and now driving a boosted car with 305bhp ;)

[MiniGibbo]

boosted or not its still a saxo mate, DC2 all the way i started getting mine ready for boosted broke and now drive my brothers ford focus around the drive when my parents want to get out ;)

Damn I envy you!

[moxy89]

next meet ill bring and make your custard piece of shite look like its going backwards

much love

Luke

[MiniGibbo]

next meet ill bring and make your custard piece of shite look like its going backwards

much love

Luke

I'd be very surprised if didn't make my 1.3 look slow.. Better ask your brother if your allowed first though eh.

[mangojace]

I do regular trackdays, and nearly every show..

Let me know some trackdays your doing so i can piss over your piece of shit ....ohhh fanxxxxxxx :homme:

[MiniGibbo]

Let me know some trackdays your doing so i can piss over your piece of shit ....ohhh fanxxxxxxx :homme:

Normally easy track days. Have a look if your that keen to sniff my seat when I go for lunch..

[mangojace]

Normally easy track days. Have a look if your that keen to sniff my seat when I go for lunch..

Easy trackdays? Speak english? You mean you go in the novice section because your car is that slow?

[0rang3peel]

Easy trackdays? Speak english?

Come on dude it wasn't exactly rocket science.

http://www.easytrack.co.uk/

[MiniGibbo]

You have to excuse him he's only a child.

[Mr_X]

LOL gibbo and his baiting.

[mangojace]

You have to excuse him he's only a child.

Will make you feel even worse when im overtaking you with ease in a faggot wheel drive car then?

[MiniGibbo]

Will make you feel even worse when im overtaking you with ease in a faggot wheel drive car then?

What when I'm pulling into the carpark in the morning and you come rinsining in blasting bass hunter?

[mangojace]

What when I'm pulling into the carpark in the morning and you come rinsining in blasting bass hunter?

And how do i do that with no speakers. Id rather listen to the sound of my itbs ;) Rather than a underpowered yellow submarine :D

[MiniGibbo]

You enjoy that when I'm cruising at motorway speed barely ticking over with the radio on and the air on keeping me cool..

Suppose it does give you extra power needed to pull rad wheel spins In maccy d's..

[mangojace]

You enjoy that when I'm cruising at motorway speed barely ticking over with the radio on and the air on keeping me cool..

Suppose it does give you extra power needed to pull rad wheel spins In maccy d's..

I dont eat maccy d's and i dont hang around in car parks :homme:

I have nearly 200bhp in a stripped out caged rallye think it is more powerfull than yours :homme:

[MiniGibbo]

I dont eat maccy d's and i dont hang around in car parks :homme:

I have nearly 200bhp in a stripped out caged rallye think it is more powerfull than yours :homme:

Your car seems to gain 5hp everytime you mention it keep going and you might crack 300hp come the new year!!

[mangojace]

Your car seems to gain 5hp everytime you mention it keep going and you might crack 300hp come the new year!!

The times ive heard you mention about your car being faster than nearly every startlet and with it being rwd it adds 400 bhp. You must be heading for 1000bhp now in that?

[CHIP]

'My cars faster than yours'
'No mines faster than yours'
'Muuuuummmmm!'

Jeez :S Handbags!

[JamesR]

DC2 is a lot nicer, but a turbo'd VTS is just amazing

Hard decision lol

[MiniGibbo]

'My cars faster than yours'
'No mines faster than yours'
'Muuuuummmmm!'

Jeez :S Handbags!

Just because your shed barely makes 150..

[CHIP]

Just because your shed barely makes 150..

Lulz... I don't brag about my car being epic.

[MiniGibbo]

Lulz... I don't brag about my car being epic.

Good, because it's not.

[CHIP]

Good, because it's not.

Dude, really. Why do you have to pick an argument with everyone? I quite often stick up for you saying you're a pretty decent lad despite the fact on the forum you come across as a cock.

I was merely suggesting with the other comment you guy's chill out a bit. The thread is completely off topic now with sad bickering.

Regards my Clio. It's a cheap motor that is fun and does exactly what i want it to. So it's perfect for me, your opinion shan't change that.

[Ashleyp]

'My cars faster than yours'
'No mines faster than yours'
'Muuuuummmmm!'

Jeez :S Handbags!

plus one.

[Tommo87]

Please ignore his roid rage has obviously kicked in.

[mangojace]

Good, because it's not.

You seam to think your car is epic. Its all you go on about day in day out.

My cars far from epic. Its only a s1 caged rallye on bodies. But its what i wanted at the end of the day and itll do what i want it to do. And i agree its shit on the road with the cams and stuff i am running but its trackday and weekend only. But i am not fussed about it being shit compared to alot of cars.

[MiniGibbo]

You seam to think your car is epic. Its all you go on about day in day out.

My cars far from epic. Its only a s1 caged rallye on bodies. But its what i wanted at the end of the day and itll do what i want it to do. And i agree its shit on the road with the cams and stuff i am running but its trackday and weekend only. But i am not fussed about it being shit compared to alot of cars.

Did I hurt your feelings

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk96/xmattgibsonx/baby-crying.jpg

[blackie_2k5]

360hp is a lot more than a few hundred quid dude, your talking exhaust cams carbon plenum etc etc..


Does yours do epic drifts in maccy d's when you "tray" the rear wheels?

i bet it would drift better then your bmw ;)

[MiniGibbo]

i bet it would drift better then your bmw ;)

It does grind the gears to think a vtr could pass me when it's still 8v'd lol..

[blackie_2k5]

It does grind the gears to think a vtr could pass me when it's still 8v'd lol..

it gives me great joy annoying the fuck out of ppl who see the door badges :homme:

im tempeted to get some glow in the dark vtr side strip badges just to rub it in some with it being dark all the time atm :drink:

[mangojace]

Did I hurt your feelings

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk96/xmattgibsonx/baby-crying.jpg

Yes mate your a keyboard warrior. I cried alot tbh

[MiniGibbo]

it gives me great joy annoying the fuck out of ppl who see the door badges :homme:

im tempeted to get some glow in the dark vtr side strip badges just to rub it in some with it being dark all the time atm :drink:

I'm going to make it my goal this year to pass you at trax :A:

Yes mate your a keyboard warrior. I cried alot tbh


*you're

[blackie_2k5]

I'm going to make it my goal this year to pass you at trax :A:




*you're

lol, best start hoping my car goes pop then :homme:

i look forward to this years show tbf :D

[MiniGibbo]

What's your power to weight dude?

[blackie_2k5]

ill find out at the weekend as im yet to get it on the bridge :fcuk: (got fibreglass bonnet etc to go on so havent bothered yet)

but just say 850kgs... which makes me 256bhp/tonne or somewhere around there,which puts me around about these cars:

Jaguar XKR R - (234)
Maserati 3200GT - (237)
Lotus Exige (S1) - (247)
Mercedes CLS55 AMG - (252)
Aston Martin DB9 Volante - (260)
Porsche 911 GT3 (996) mk1 - (271)

anyone interested can find out here:
http://westfield-world.com/power-to-weight.html


these are just a bit fun really, theres alot more to it then that (gear ratios etc etc) but tbh i could add quite a few cars to that list ive made fools of :)

[Simon0014]

I'd go for a dc2 out of the two. I'd also choose a dc2 over an ep3 as i think ep's are far too common and arent quite as 'special' to be in. ep's are to undramatic in comparison

[Aaron]

chop in the saxo
get a dc2 or s2000 or look a nice spec ep3
they are common but only in standard form.

im currently looking at s2000's

[MiniGibbo]

ill find out at the weekend as im yet to get it on the bridge :fcuk: (got fibreglass bonnet etc to go on so havent bothered yet)

but just say 850kgs... which makes me 256bhp/tonne or somewhere around there,which puts me around about these cars:

Jaguar XKR R - (234)
Maserati 3200GT - (237)
Lotus Exige (S1) - (247)
Mercedes CLS55 AMG - (252)
Aston Martin DB9 Volante - (260)
Porsche 911 GT3 (996) mk1 - (271)

anyone interested can find out here:
http://westfield-world.com/power-to-weight.html


these are just a bit fun really, theres alot more to it then that (gear ratios etc etc) but tbh i could add quite a few cars to that list ive made fools of :)

Too match you I'd need 320hp.. You best not roll any higher than that *shakes fist

[blackie_2k5]

Too match you I'd need 320hp.. You best not roll any higher than that *shakes fist

new turbo in feb mate....20 psi ;)

but in your favour it may not last very long :geek: