Help need a little info

[jayline]

im currently in the middle of making my car better and now the head gasket is gone so im taking this as a perfect chance to paint and clean up my engine bay.

BUT i wanted to know what is the best engine to swap my 1.1 spi for? i was thinking of a 1.6 bottom end inlet and tb with 1.4 head?

would this work if i get it from the same year car and same plug ?

i do have all the correct suspension and brakes just need to know bout the engine as i would like to change it and make a sleeper :P

cheers jay

[saxo-parts]

why the mix and match of engine parts? a 1.4 head on a 1.6 bottom end is going to be like you trying to breathe through a polythene bag, the valves in 1.4 heads are smaller then the 1.6 so that's a backward step, just get a full 1.6 engine

[jayline]

why the mix and match of engine parts? a 1.4 head on a 1.6 bottom end is going to be like you trying to breathe through a polythene bag, the valves in 1.4 heads are smaller then the 1.6 so that's a backward step, just get a full 1.6 engine

the reason why the mix and match is i heard it from a mate of a mate and he said his car flew! so i was just wondering if it would work!

[devilsadvocate]

the reason why the mix and match is i heard it from a mate of a mate and he said his car flew! so i was just wondering if it would work!

He was bullshitting you.

The best engine to swap yours for is obviously the 1.6 16v from a VTS.

It's not just the engine though, you will need most of the VTS parts.

More of a ballache than it's worth from a 1.1 in my opinion though.

[saxo-parts]

devil speaks the truth, with the price of vts cars these days you've got to be really into the car to consider a conversion, and thats coming from someone who makes money doing them!

[jayline]

He was bullshitting you.

The best engine to swap yours for is obviously the 1.6 16v from a VTS.

It's not just the engine though, you will need most of the VTS parts.

More of a ballache than it's worth from a 1.1 in my opinion though.

i did think that, i would do a 16v conversion but its what everyone does and i want to be a bit different! so now im thinking of a 1.4 engine with 1.6 inlet?

would this be a simple swap? i know i need an unlocked ecu and full suspension!

[jayline]

devil speaks the truth, with the price of vts cars these days you've got to be really into the car to consider a conversion, and thats coming from someone who makes money doing them!

i completely agree with you, i do have a fair bit of knowledge with saxos and i am going to be doing my four stud conversion soon! i always say " best way of learning is by doing" and i always have a haynes manual to hand when i need it lol

[devilsadvocate]

i did think that, i would do a 16v conversion but its what everyone does and i want to be a bit different! so now im thinking of a 1.4 engine with 1.6 inlet?

would this be a simple swap? i know i need an unlocked ecu and full suspension!

Fucking about with engines it not going to give you enough noticeable power to justify the expensive. I would imagine the inlets are spaced differently so would need the head drilling to get it to fit?

Either stay with the 1.1 and buy a VTR/VTS or get one of those engines put in (plus the other parts) the start performance modding...i.e full exhaust with decat, manifold and enclosed induction kit would be a start but even though are not going to give you 'fuck me this is immense' power.

[NismoSteve]

I was in the same train of thought before Christmas, I had a 1.1 desire, now I have a vts, much less hassle lol!

[Cam]

You dont want to do a 16V but a 1.4 or vtr conversion because you want to be different hahaha lol!

[saxo-parts]

got a mint furio engine with unlocked ecu etc here, only removed for an S conversion if its any good to you

[jayline]

Fucking about with engines it not going to give you enough noticeable power to justify the expensive. I would imagine the inlets are spaced differently so would need the head drilling to get it to fit?

Either stay with the 1.1 and buy a VTR/VTS or get one of those engines put in (plus the other parts) the start performance modding...i.e full exhaust with decat, manifold and enclosed induction kit would be a start but even though are not going to give you 'fuck me this is immense' power.

haha thanks for the advice, think ill 1.6 8v it tbh! what gearbox would you recommend? and i notice your local to me in kent?

I was in the same train of thought before Christmas, I had a 1.1 desire, now I have a vts, much less hassle lol!

im guessing it was a good decision, i would go straight for a vts but insurance will be a killer and i wanted to build a car up from scratch to feel like ive achieved alot :D

[jayline]

You dont want to do a 16V but a 1.4 or vtr conversion because you want to be different hahaha lol!

well i mean everyone is 16v there cars and i want to tune a 8v and see what happens, i know it wont be alot of power but it be alot more responsive than a 1.1

[jayline]

got a mint furio engine with unlocked ecu etc here, only removed for an S conversion if its any good to you

bit far for me to collect and is it a mk1 ?

[saxo-parts]

bit far for me to collect and is it a mk1 ?

its single plug so all is good there and i'm in canterbury every other weekend at the mo lol, devil has just made the trip for his engine,think of it as a road trip!

[jayline]

its single plug so all is good there and i'm in canterbury every other weekend at the mo lol, devil has just made the trip for his engine,think of it as a road trip!

fair play and i would love to drive up there but ive just failed my test 4 days ago :( so waiting to do a retest!

[devilsadvocate]

haha thanks for the advice, think ill 1.6 8v it tbh! what gearbox would you recommend? and i notice your local to me in kent?



Gearboxes arn't my strong point but I think the VTS box would be better on a VTR engine if im correct?

Jason (Mandyslover ) would be able to do the conversion for you, drop it off to him and pick it up complete :)

Haha actually I grew up in Herne Bay, my family are from there!

[jayline]

Gearboxes arn't my strong point but I think the VTS box would be better on a VTR engine if im correct?

Jason (Mandyslover ) would be able to do the conversion for you, drop it off to him and pick it up complete :)

Haha actually I grew up in Herne Bay, my family are from there!

ok, well im thinking of doing the conversion myself to save on costs and to get a bit of knowledge behind me :)

its an ok place but can be annoying at some times lol

[devilsadvocate]

ok, well im thinking of doing the conversion myself to save on costs and to get a bit of knowledge behind me :)

its an ok place but can be annoying at some times lol

Ahhh well find yourself a low mileage engine and get a haynes manual as a start.

Have an extensive search on here as most conversion questions have been covered many times.

Yeah my parents moved us to Dover when I was 10, hardly an improvement lol

Luckily Maidstone is awesome :)

[jayline]

Ahhh well find yourself a low mileage engine and get a haynes manual as a start.

Have an extensive search on here as most conversion questions have been covered many times.

Yeah my parents moved us to Dover when I was 10, hardly an improvement lol

Luckily Maidstone is awesome :)

yh well im ebaying atm, and i have already bought a haynes :)

yh i have spent a good year looking at peoples threads and questions and now decided to join in and also start my own progress thread :D

oo nice, maidstone is great i went to college in a town called hadlow just outside maidstone!

[saxo-parts]

if you want low mileage then it may be worth looking into a jp4 from a xsara or c2, bit more work but leaves you with a newer engine and less leaky cam covers lol

[jayline]

if you want low mileage then it may be worth looking into a jp4 from a xsara or c2, bit more work but leaves you with a newer engine and less leaky cam covers lol

that is a good idea, i didnt want to go 16v but i might have to!! what gearbox would you guys recommend for a vtr engine?

[jayline]

just found a vts for 350? good donor i recon!

http://www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-motorbikes/citroen-saxo/94573685

[saxo-parts]

S or 1.1 box

[devilsadvocate]

just found a vts for 350? good donor i recon!

http://www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-motorbikes/citroen-saxo/94573685

No mention of mileage or history, don't just buy something because its cheap mate.

Have a look in the for sale section on here.

As Jason said above, look for a J4 if you can find one with low miles.

[jayline]

No mention of mileage or history, don't just buy something because its cheap mate.

Have a look in the for sale section on here.

As Jason said above, look for a J4 if you can find one with low miles.

cheers mate will do, i get paid friday so ill deffo be spending £15 :P

S or 1.1 box

ill stick to the 1.1 box i have atm then! cheers guys :D

[devilsadvocate]

Tenner if you don't want the stickers :)

[NismoSteve]

I figured the vts would be the best starting point really, all the basics are covered that way. I'll spend the first half of this year getting it up to a good standard handling, braking and bodywork wise, then the later half gathering parts for a turbo conversion.

[jayline]

Tenner if you don't want the stickers :)

i deffo want the stickers :P

I figured the vts would be the best starting point really, all the basics are covered that way. I'll spend the first half of this year getting it up to a good standard handling, braking and bodywork wise, then the later half gathering parts for a turbo conversion.

fair play, im doing that atm! read my thread, im doing all the basics handling, braking and bodywork first! so i'll have great fun with the 1.1 engine till i convert it :)

[jayline]

UPDATE: i have found a blacktop vtr engine loom and ecu for cheap! so just enquiring into it so mite hopefully have a 1.6 conversion

[saxo-parts]

blacktop are cracking little engines!!

[stevo67]

blacktop are cracking little engines!!

I`ll second that they`ll go on for ages if treated correctly.:drink:

[jayline]

then its offical ill have a lil sleeper with a crackin' engine :) with a little work from mandyslover :D