A year in - What supplements?

[666saxo666]

Hi all.

Been goin the gym a year now and made good gains.

Just want to no what supplements i could take to go to the next level.

Currently have My protein shake twice a day.

Maximuscle cyclone straight after training

Creapure creatine just before session

I started at 11st4 and im now 11st 4 :y: Same i no but worlds apart compared to how i looked back then

So what supplements could go to the next level and are worth lookin at ( no roids)

Cheers

[darrenh84]

Super Strict DIET and harder sessions...then go on to adding more supplments id try if u aint already

[Giraffe]

What exactly are you wanting to achieve...

[DusheR]

BCAA's would be next on my list.

[666saxo666]

want to achieve 12 st by jan 2013 and 13 st by jan 2014.

what are bcaa's?

[McGuire86]

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/bcaa.htm :y:

[matt_vtr_15a]

To sum it up BCAA's are (Branched Chain Amino Acids)..

The body doesn't produce these so if supplemented you have the advantage of increased protein synthesis.

[666saxo666]

Will have a gander then.

Anythin else worth a look at. I tried super pump 250 and crashed for about 2 days and felt like death and couldnt be arsed trainin so never took it again.

[McGuire86]

Will have a gander then.

Anythin else worth a look at. I tried super pump 250 and crashed for about 2 days and felt like death and couldnt be arsed trainin so never took it again.

If you want a pre-workout supplement then I recommend MusclePharm Assualt. Only pre-workout I've used apart from gaspari size on which was pretty crap. It's really good stuff, good pumps, strength and energy without the crash. About £27 for a tub which will last around 4 weeks, cycles 8 weeks on and 2 weeks off

[666saxo666]

Ive been taking creapure (creatine) pre workout recently, not really long enuff to see gains.
Without any research on it really. does anyone have any experience with it.

Anyone had any experience with the mad stuff body building warehouse sell, only today i get an e mail floggin me Nutrex Hemo Rage black ultra lol wteva the hell that is.

[666saxo666]

http://www.bodybuildingwarehouse.co.uk/warrior-bulbine-120-tabs

^^ thats an example of the stuff ive seen. Anyone used it. Does anyone else use creatine or is it just me..

[b0t13]

most people use creatine, its best in powder form and mixed with a protein shake tbh rather than tablets

[blackvtrt]

look at ur diet more than towards supplements, if u havent gained any weight ur simpley not eating enough calories. Eat every 3 hours see meals as fuel for your body, not when your hungry. You can get most the stuff you get in supplements from a good blanced diet. Try it for a month train 4-5 times a week no longer than about 1 hour a day and you should see some gains.

[666saxo666]

look at ur diet more than towards supplements, if u havent gained any weight ur simpley not eating enough calories. Eat every 3 hours see meals as fuel for your body, not when your hungry. You can get most the stuff you get in supplements from a good blanced diet. Try it for a month train 4-5 times a week no longer than about 1 hour a day and you should see some gains.

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=410751

I have seen some good gains ^^ but like you say i need to look at my diet but what i am after is a supplement that is a step up from the regular protein powders. As in the body building warehouse stuff i constantly get emails about. they are always sellin mad tabs so people must be buyin them.

[skids_vts]

To sum it up BCAA's are (Branched Chain Amino Acids)..

The body doesn't produce these so if supplemented you have the advantage of increased protein synthesis.

You have 20 BCAA's in total, 8 essential and 12 non essential. Your 8 essential BCAA's come from your protein intake, so if your gettin enough meat and protein shakes in your diet then BCAA's are not really needed. The other 12 BCAA's are not needed for protein synthesis.

If your looking to put on weight mate you clearly need to increase your intake of calories. Do you know your current daily percentage of carbs, fats and protein?

[McGuire86]

You have 20 BCAA's in total, 8 essential and 12 non essential. Your 8 essential BCAA's come from your protein intake, so if your gettin enough meat and protein shakes in your diet then BCAA's are not really needed. The other 12 BCAA's are not needed for protein synthesis.

If your looking to put on weight mate you clearly need to increase your intake of calories. Do you know your current daily percentage of carbs, fats and protein?

Wrong. There are 3 branched chain amino acids, Valine, Leucine, and Iso-leucine.

Protein is made up of 22 not 20, amino acids iirc, 8 being essential as the body cannot produce them, 12 not essential.

Taking them as a supplement is a much more practical way to get the best out of them unless you are eating stupid amounts of protein.
When you train your muscles are depleted of BCAA's so by taking them before and after training will only help your performance, recovery and muscle gain..

[666saxo666]

Can you send a link as to what bcaa stuff you would recommend buying?

[Gordi]

try some zma :)

[McGuire86]

Can you send a link as to what bcaa stuff you would recommend buying?


This is the stuff I use mate

http://www.myprotein.com/uk/products/bcaa_plus

[666saxo666]

This is the stuff I use mate

http://www.myprotein.com/uk/products/bcaa_plus


Im gonna buy exactly them and give them a go. Out of interest what do you also use?

[skids_vts]

Wrong. There are 3 branched chain amino acids, Valine, Leucine, and Iso-leucine.

Protein is made up of 22 not 20, amino acids iirc, 8 being essential as the body cannot produce them, 12 not essential.

Taking them as a supplement is a much more practical way to get the best out of them unless you are eating stupid amounts of protein.
When you train your muscles are depleted of BCAA's so by taking them before and after training will only help your performance, recovery and muscle gain..

I wish you would stop givin the op bad advice. Its not wrong. There are 20 amino acids, where does the 3 come from??!!! You cannot produce the 8 essential in your body(as i said) the 12 non essential can be produced in the body but are not needed for protein synthesis. This is fact!!Also 12 + 8 = 20 not 22

There are 5 other essential amino acids you failed to mention ;)

[DusheR]

I wish you would stop givin the op bad advice. Its not wrong. There are 20 amino acids, where does the 3 come from??!!! You cannot produce the 8 essential in your body(as i said) the 12 non essential can be produced in the body but are not needed for protein synthesis. This is fact!!Also 12 + 8 = 20 not 22

There are 5 other essential amino acids you failed to mention ;)

No they are 3. They are called 'branch chain' because of there molecular structures. And theres 9 essiantial, if I remember correctly.

[McGuire86]

I wish you would stop givin the op bad advice. Its not wrong. There are 20 amino acids, where does the 3 come from??!!! You cannot produce the 8 essential in your body(as i said) the 12 non essential can be produced in the body but are not needed for protein synthesis. This is fact!!Also 12 + 8 = 20 not 22

There are 5 other essential amino acids you failed to mention ;)

If you bothered to read instead of just copying from google and then making out that it's you own knowledge, you would see there are 3 BRANCHED CHAIN AMINO ACIDS not 20... We are not talking about amino acids in general within protein. We are talking about BCAA that make up 30% of amino acids in any protein.
:wall:

[Simon0014]

In terms of taking these bcaa's they recommend 3-5 tablets 2-4 times a day...so thats upto 20 in a day.....seems excessive. How many would you recommend taking per day?

[McGuire86]

I take 3 before training, 3 after

[666saxo666]

I take 3 before training, 3 after

What other supplements do you use?

[DusheR]

In terms of taking these bcaa's they recommend 3-5 tablets 2-4 times a day...so thats upto 20 in a day.....seems excessive. How many would you recommend taking per day?

If you eat enough quality protein you wont need to suppliment BCAA's throughout the day. Just in and around your workout. I have 20g each workout, so thats why I use the powder.

[Giraffe]

If you eat enough quality protein you wont need to suppliment BCAA's throughout the day. Just in and around your workout. I have 20g each workout, so thats why I use the powder.

What do you mix the powder with mate?

When I was taking it, it literally mixed with nothing I tried, and tasted like shit with everything... Only way I could manage it was spooning it in my mouth then drinking, but the taste was soooooo bad

[DusheR]

What do you mix the powder with mate?

When I was taking it, it literally mixed with nothing I tried, and tasted like shit with everything... Only way I could manage it was spooning it in my mouth then drinking, but the taste was soooooo bad

Yup I have this very problem. The batch I had from MP before seemed to mix much better. Most of this just sits on the top now.

I just mix it with my pre workout before (jack3d etc with water), workout drink (water, vit c, l glut, waxy maize) and pwo (whey protein, l glut, waxy maize)

Find myself chewing on little lumps of the stuff ha.

[Simon0014]

Cheers boys, I may invest in some to try out in the next week or so!

[Giraffe]

Yup I have this very problem. The batch I had from MP before seemed to mix much better. Most of this just sits on the top now.

I just mix it with my pre workout before (jack3d etc with water), workout drink (water, vit c, l glut, waxy maize) and pwo (whey protein, l glut, waxy maize)

Find myself chewing on little lumps of the stuff ha.

Blerghhhhhhhhh. I actually found it seemed OK with milk, I just remembered, but still not great.

[DusheR]

Blerghhhhhhhhh. I actually found it seemed OK with milk, I just remembered, but still not great.

Only advice I can give it try leaving it for 20mins before drinking. It does absorb into the water, just takes forever. Might try a diff BCAA from MP next.