*Updated - 2 Years Transform

[666saxo666]

Just thought i would update my progress. See if i can be of assistance to others starting with the new year resolutions etc.


Two most important things are 1. Routine and 2. Diet. I will try to descibe both as best i can

First off...

1. My routine - All exercises are 3 sets/8 reps although i am currently looking to switch my training up with a 10.8.8.6 rep technique to get to the next level.

DAY 1 - MONDAY

- Chest and tri's.

1 - Chest press.
2 - Incline Chest press
3 - Pec Machine
4 - Bench
5 - Incline Bench
6 - Cables - Tri Pull downs. With a metal bar on the cable.
6 - Same again but with a rope
7 - Tricep dips.
8 - Free weights - Tris - Weight behind head standing and push up.
9 - ALOT of push ups to finish to failure


DAY 2 - TUESDAY

- Shoulders and abs

1. Shoulder press
2. Smith press. - Bench fully upright - bring down in front of face
3 Smith press - Same again but behind head
4. Free weights - Bench fully upright and bring weight from shoulder width apart to touching at the top.
5. Free weights - Use a bar and pull up to touch chin.
6. Smith press - Shoulder crunches - (dont really no wt there called). Jus leave your arms dangling with the smith bar and roll shoulders.
7. Ab Machine - Theres a special machine in my gym that does your abs like magic that i just use. You Lie flat and full your hands over your head and lift your legs at same time. Like press ups i usually do about 300 of these untill i cant do anymore.
8. Also do leg lifts sometimes.


DAY 3 - WEDNESDAY

- Back and bi's

1. Lat Pulldown
2. Seated Row
3. Pull Ups - wide arm/close arm
4. Another lat pulldown machine
5. Free weights - Bicep curls
6. Free Weights - Bar Curls
7. Cables - Bicep curls with bar
8. Cables - Bicep curls with single hand things
9. Bicep curl machine

DAY 4 - THURSDAY

- Legs

Leg Press
Leg curl
Calf Machine
Inner thigh machine
Outer thigh Machine
Squats
Another leg press machine to failure
Spin Bike

Day 5 - SATURDAY

- Cardio

Treadmill 10 min
Row 10 min
Crosstrainer 10 min
Spin Bike 10 min
Swim
All short times but at a good pace.

5 day Cycle Complete. Start again on Monday.

* During my first 6 months i did a 3 day cycle. Same as above but without the Leg/Cardio days.

2. Diet/ Supplements

Diet -

I have achieved what i have so far without a diet. I am looking to incorporate more of a diet into my training but the results so far have been down to nothin but hard work and my routine. I eat alot of crap food. i drink alot of coke. and have far to many mcdonalds. I no people are gonna slate me but I no i need to change but i struggle justifying not eating nice food for the sake of looking good. Plus why is all the nice tasting stuff so bad for you :P . One thing to note is that i dont eat breakfast. I dont no if this helps or hinders me. But i am never hungry in the morning.

Supplements -

This is the area i think has helped me the most coupled with my Routine. By taking the right supplements i have somewhat made up for my crap diet.

Morning - My Protein Total Protein Shake

Before training - Mouthful of creapure creatine with water

After training - Maximuscle Cyclone shake

Night - My Protein Total Protein Shake

To be honest i havent stuck to this as best as i could. I often miss my morning/night shakes by forgetting/being lazy. I believe the cyclone and the creatine have been the best supplements for my development

Ok onto the results.

I am 6ft2.
When i started a year ago i was 11st4. The Other day i weighed in at 11st 4.
Identical to when i started. Hard to believe when you see the results but it just shows that i have managed to put on muscle and loose fat.

Onto the results -

http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt10/666saxo666/IMG_2781.jpg

As you can see quite a good transformation so far and i have still got a way to go to achieve what i want.
I hope the info helps anyone starting out as i could of used some help when i was starting out and as you can see from the results my routine seems to be working for me without a Proper Diet.

I have said this before in an earlier thread but the best advice i was given was..' Think years not weeks/months. Only then will you achieve.' And that stuck with me. My year goals are 12st Jan 2013. 13st Jan 2014.

Anyway hope this helps peeps. Documenting what i am doing also helps me keep concentrated so its all good :y:


*UPDATE

2 years :y: - Page 3...

http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt10/666saxo666/IMG_4206.jpg

[McGuire86]

First year you are bound to see results, diet or not because your body is shocked into the new regime of weightlifting it has to adapt.
However you are now probably out of that stage and without a proper diet in place you will see your results reduce big time.

As for your split you should do it mon/tues thurs/fri . You shouldnt really be lifting 4 days in a row, 3 max, especially if you are a natty.

One more thing, guess you didn't see the diet / routine sticky and the add your photos thread ;)

[Reid]

You say you don't eat breakfast because your not hungry in the morning hunger shouldn't even be considered if your bulking....

[666saxo666]

I new i would get comments like you both have and to be fair your both right. Like i said in my first post i no i need to sort my diet out but theres saying it and then actually doing it. The big factor is still living with my ma. Only just now i had a muffin. hula hoops. and a can of coke. Its just to easy to eat crap here.
Once i sort my own place i would be alot more strict.

And no i didnt see the stickies. They are defo new? Just had a look. Good diet info in there which i need to look at. My stuff is probs best in one thread anyway as it all ties in if people want all round advice on routine.
Even though i have a bad diet my results have been good so i must be doin somethin right. I havent slowed down yet and 'hit a rut' but i do need to sort my diet to get to the next level.

[rushy_23]

Thats still pretty impressive IMO, regardless of the fact your diet isnt perfect.

Where was it stated he is bulking? Its an assumption but I imagine the OP is after muscle gain only?

[666saxo666]

Thats still pretty impressive IMO, regardless of the fact your diet isnt perfect.

Where was it stated he is bulking? Its an assumption but I imagine the OP is after muscle gain only?

Cheers mate. Ye in terms of 'bulking' etc all i am interested in is muscle and definition. I havent taken the whole thing to serious really

[wassy78]

Wow what a difference . I would be happy with just the second pic m8 . I've just done same took some pics now . Going to look back in 6 months . I did the gym few year back but give up after few months as didn't find the time . But I'm sticking to it this time .

[666saxo666]

Wow what a difference . I would be happy with just the second pic m8 . I've just done same took some pics now . Going to look back in 6 months . I did the gym few year back but give up after few months as didn't find the time . But I'm sticking to it this time .

2 things
1. Taking pics really helped me as its easy to forget how far you have come. They are great for motivation.
2. Just think of the whole process like your car. Takes time/ effort / dedication. You more than anyone should no with the car you have. I just see my body development the same as the cars i have. You are always modding/looking for ways to develop/ extend its life. Why dont people do the same with themselves rather than just say a car they own.
Also you wouldnt expect a standard vts to become a car like you own in 7 days. It takes time. Just like you shouldnt expect yourself to change to the body you want in 7 days. It takes years.

Thanks for the comments aswell.

[wassy78]

Thanks mate I agree with you there I so wish I kept it up . I'll keep yeh posted :)

[666saxo666]

Been thinkin about a diet and im gonna try this.
Breakfast - Frosties. Not to good i no but i need the sugar to give me a boost.
Lunch - Wholegrain sandwich with Chicken
Snacks - Banana and grapes
Dinner - Lots of chicken/meat with a few chips and some beans or sweetcorn.
Same supplements as first post.
What do people think.?
Its not the best but a good halfway house.
One other thing ive done is i drank alot of coke. Ive switched to pepsi max. I cant drink water. Will this make a difference as its meant to have zero this zero that rather than alot of calories in standard coke.

[scot-ish]

just drop the whole lot of coke- drink diluting juice, i would never drink fizzy's now.

You need more protien to be honest- can you not have boiled/scrambled eggs and porridge for breakfast instead?

dinner, dump the chips, have potatoe's instead, and get some brocolli in there.

[Gordi]

awesome :) wish i had pics to show my progress.. i might start now and see how i trasform in 6months time :)

[tingaling]

awesome :) wish i had pics to show my progress.. i might start now and see how i trasform in 6months time :)

You look pretty good on your avatar :y:

That's a good transformation, especially whilst eating crap lol, best of both I guess.
I shall be starting gym again soon think im gonna take pics too i can imagine it helps quite a bit.

[Giraffe]

You look pretty good on your avatar :y:

That's a good transformation, especially whilst eating crap lol, best of both I guess.
I shall be starting gym again soon think im gonna take pics too i can imagine it helps quite a bit.

plz tell me you are joking, I can't decide...

[Proffitt]

plz tell me you are joking, I can't decide...

He sounds serious. I hope he isn't for his sake :p

Great pregress there 666 :y:

[tingaling]

Yes i was joking, why in the world would you think i wasn't lol

[ha_x3]

Thats quite a difference from the first pic, well done :y:

[Proffitt]

Yes i was joking

Good :A: ha

[Gordi]

Yes i was joking, why in the world would you think i wasn't lol

look even better on it now :) thats actually me. i did press ups twice a week and drank 13litres of milk everyday for a year.

[tingaling]

look even better on it now :) thats actually me. i did press ups twice a week and drank 13litres of milk everyday for a year.

Good work, have you ever thought about buying an abs trainer from those adverts? i bet you'd double in size along with your current routine!

[666saxo666]

just drop the whole lot of coke- drink diluting juice, i would never drink fizzy's now.

You need more protien to be honest- can you not have boiled/scrambled eggs and porridge for breakfast instead?

dinner, dump the chips, have potatoe's instead, and get some brocolli in there.


I really have a bad habbit with the coke. i really cant kick it. is the coke zero/pepsi max really no good?.

For protein i have a My protein shake twice a day and A maximuscle cyclone after training. I do need eggs but i rarely leave myself enough time in the morning to do anythin other than a bowl of cereal. In most cases i dont eat breakfast.

Thanks for the comments guys.
One other question i have is what to do for snacks? After fruit i am struggling.

[Giraffe]

I really have a bad habbit with the coke. i really cant kick it. is the coke zero/pepsi max really no good?.

For protein i have a My protein shake twice a day and A maximuscle cyclone after training. I do need eggs but i rarely leave myself enough time in the morning to do anythin other than a bowl of cereal. In most cases i dont eat breakfast.

Thanks for the comments guys.
One other question i have is what to do for snacks? After fruit i am struggling.

Nuts.

Kick the coke habit, don't care how hard it is, kick it. Get up early and make time for breakfast. You seem to have made good gains with little dedication to be honest, I'm quite surprised. Some people work hard with strict diets and really struggle, if you took it a little more seriously and showed more dedication to the nutrition side of it, you could probably get some amazing gains...

[McGuire86]

I really have a bad habbit with the coke. i really cant kick it. is the coke zero/pepsi max really no good?.



Can't or wont ? Yes It's bad for you, all fizzys are, they weaken the calcium in your bones. Stop drinking it and start drinking water, you can drink it on your rest/cheat day.

[skids_vts]

Been thinkin about a diet and im gonna try this.
Breakfast - Frosties. Not to good i no but i need the sugar to give me a boost.
Lunch - Wholegrain sandwich with Chicken
Snacks - Banana and grapes
Dinner - Lots of chicken/meat with a few chips and some beans or sweetcorn.
Same supplements as first post.
What do people think.?
Its not the best but a good halfway house.
One other thing ive done is i drank alot of coke. Ive switched to pepsi max. I cant drink water. Will this make a difference as its meant to have zero this zero that rather than alot of calories in standard coke.

Nothing wrong with frosties for breakfast, You find 99% of cereals are high in sugar anyway due to needing to replenish your glycogen stores after not eating since the night before
Try and drop the bread for a chicken salad for lunch
As people have said cut the chips out in favour of boiled potatoes or similar
Handfulls of nuts and berries for snacks, or i usually have a flap jack if im craving something sweet, high in good fats and complex carbs
How much coke was you actually drinking?

[666saxo666]

If im honest the whole time ive been training ive drank nothin but coke. If i have a drink its usually coke.

Dave - thats what all my mates say. They say im takin the piss etc. But im gonna try my best to change as as mcguire says im probably killin myself. I genuinly just cant stand water. My diet for the entire year has easily been just as bad as my drinkin habits. Macies is rite next to my work. Probs have 3-4 a week easy. whole time i was trainin,

[Proffitt]

If im honest the whole time ive been training ive drank nothin but coke. If i have a drink its usually coke.

Dave - thats what all my mates say. They say im takin the piss etc. But im gonna try my best to change as as mcguire says im probably killin myself. I genuinly just cant stand water. My diet for the entire year has easily been just as bad as my drinkin habits. Macies is rite next to my work. Probs have 3-4 a week easy. whole time i was trainin,

Tbh, if you want more gains then cut back on maccies and the coke. Honestly.

I love Monster Energy, I was having 2 a day every week!! Now I have 1 a day maximum, sometimes nothing at all and drink a lot of water or sugar free squash :)

Maccies 3-4 times a week? I know maccies taste really nice but you have to be strong. I will have a maccies once a week maybe. Sometimes not at all for weeks. You will feel better about your self, trust me. I did :A:
Watch the film called, SuperSize me.

Once you cut back and start to feel good / see gains you wont want to have a maccies 3-4 times a week or drink coke all the time.

[666saxo666]

Tbh, if you want more gains then cut back on maccies and the coke. Honestly.

I love Monster Energy, I was having 2 a day every week!! Now I have 1 a day maximum, sometimes nothing at all and drink a lot of water or sugar free squash :)

Maccies 3-4 times a week? I know maccies taste really nice but you have to be strong. I will have a maccies once a week maybe. Sometimes not at all for weeks. You will feel better about your self, trust me. I did :A:
Watch the film called, SuperSize me.

Once you cut back and start to feel good / see gains you wont want to have a maccies 3-4 times a week or drink coke all the time.



My problem has been that i have seen good gains with the worst eating/drinking habits in the world. So its hard to justify not eatin/drinkin shit when im making good gains. Im goin to try now and change my diet so the results should be good over the next year.

[Giraffe]

My problem has been that i have seen good gains with the worst eating/drinking habits in the world. So its hard to justify not eatin/drinkin shit when im making good gains. Im goin to try now and change my diet so the results should be good over the next year.

If you don't sort your diet out though, your problem next year will be that you haven't seen any gains and you will be fed up with it...

[666saxo666]

ye im goin to sort my diet this year and report back. ive winged it so far so might be fun doing it properly.

[Proffitt]

My problem has been that i have seen good gains with the worst eating/drinking habits in the world. So its hard to justify not eatin/drinkin shit when im making good gains. Im goin to try now and change my diet so the results should be good over the next year.

Cut down on Maccies and coke slowly.

Like have a maccies twice a week instead of 3-4, then each week reduce it :)

But like Dave said above, if you don't change your diet. You won't see any gains this year.

[Venns]

Gains look really impressive mate very similar to my 1st year training, keep up the good work

[666saxo666]

Cheers mate. Been a week on the diet and really struggling with will power. Just had half a tub of ben and jerrys. I will definately keep on the supplements to see if i can keep goin without worryin about my diet constantly.

[666saxo666]

Just updating and wondering what people think...

Cyclone is proving to be good but very expensive

£27 a tub off ebay and one shake after training = month worth.

Im gonna try just the myprotein total protein shake 3 times a day with one after training instead of 2 day with cyclone after training.

Will report back. If cyclone doesnt provide much difference itll be a good little experiment as its alot cheaper to stick with the my protein stuff. Instead of using the maximuscle cyclone.

[Furio-Gazza]

This was a really good read!
What is the perfect meal plan a day
I.E
Breakfast....
Dinner....
Lunch....

Drinks....
& Snacks/Nibbles

[CitroenSport]

well done mate very good progress!

[Tringaling]

Nice gains there mate, as said before It's all in the diet!

I like to do a lot of super setting as I am impatient sometimes and like to wreck myself but that's just how PTI's in the army are..erratic!

With regards to fizzies if you really can't get rid of them try coke zero at the very least as its cutting down majorly on sugar although it may make up in some areas!

You should all in all be happy with your results so far but keep smashing yourself!

[666saxo666]

Hi Guys thanks for the comments. I have moved on from saxo's so i had forgot about this thread. Ive got a CTR now so over on there.

Just to update this. I had made good gains but i didnt want to plataeu and i felt my body was getting to used to training so i deliberately took 3 months off and wanted to put on alot of weight. I thought i would loose alot of my work but i havent lost to much and i have put on alot of fat as ive deliberately had a bad diet. Most will say that this is a bad thing and a stupid idea but i am now going to shock my body into training again and hopefully the gains will be even better. This is not some random thing i decided to do. it has been done before and does work as its like starting again but from a bigger (muscle wise) starting point.

I went to the gym tonite and i can only manage around half the weight i used to be able to do.

Will report back with results. I am nearing my goal weight of 13 stone albeit the majority of it at the moment is fat but hopefully this shock tactic should work and i wont plateau. Lets see..

[Giraffe]

Hi Guys thanks for the comments. I have moved on from saxo's so i had forgot about this thread. Ive got a CTR now so over on there.

Just to update this. I had made good gains but i didnt want to plataeu and i felt my body was getting to used to training so i deliberately took 3 months off and wanted to put on alot of weight. I thought i would loose alot of my work but i havent lost to much and i have put on alot of fat as ive deliberately had a bad diet. Most will say that this is a bad thing and a stupid idea but i am now going to shock my body into training again and hopefully the gains will be even better. This is not some random thing i decided to do. it has been done before and does work as its like starting again but from a bigger (muscle wise) starting point.

I went to the gym tonite and i can only manage around half the weight i used to be able to do.

Will report back with results. I am nearing my goal weight of 13 stone albeit the majority of it at the moment is fat but hopefully this shock tactic should work and i wont plateau. Lets see..

Lol, interesting. Most people just change the way they train to shock their body, not become a lard arse. Hope it works.

[mikeygs]

Very interesting idea! Not sure I could handle doing that, I just took a week out of weights to have a little break and try to lose a couple of niggles. But I still went to the gym to do some cardio, and couldn't wait to get back on the weights again this week.

Would be intrigued to see how you get on over the next few months.

[jones91]

I think having 3 months off training is too much IMO, normally 1 or two weeks is plenty for most people, but you never know it might work

[Syphillis]

This was a great read, I'm impressed with the results considering the lack of a diet too.
Motivation for myself, not going to lie.

[666saxo666]

Ok Just to update this...

Last update i said i had 3 months off because. 1. i wanted to gain weight and 2. i felt i was starting to plateau.

From the start - first 12 months...

http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt10/666saxo666/IMG_2781.jpg


So after the 3 month break ...

http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt10/666saxo666/zzzzzzzzzzzzzzst3.jpg

I had managed to put on a bit of weight and it would 'appear' i had lost all my work. but it was more covered in a bit of weight. I new it was there and wouldnt take much to get to how i wanted to look. You will see on the thread that people thought it was a bit strange to have 3 months off etc and its not really done by anyone. Well it worked for me. Im lifting more than i ever did and ive had to push hard through the pain of getting back into it but its been worth it.

The following pics are 1st month on the left and 2nd month on the right after the 3 month break... and it took a serious lot of hardwork

http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt10/666saxo666/IMG_3370.jpg

Current weight is about 12st8. Ive tried to focus on core/abs more alot lately and gettin my BMI down as i had put on alot of fat from the 3 months off as you see in pic.
Still along way to go till i reach what i want but its going in the right direction.

[666saxo666]

Just thought i would share this...

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/brock_lesnar_training.htm

Great read

[Dizzy]

Why the piss poor lighting? You cant actually see anything! Also if you think a fighter does a bodybuilding split 4x a week you are sadly mistaken. None of the pros publish their actual training regime, the only one who is half truthful is GSP and even he just does stuff to sell. The only fighter training you should pay attention to is Martin Rooneys training for warriors series.

[666saxo666]

Ive only got a phone camera. It does the job.
And i imagine heavyweights do train similiar to that article.

[666saxo666]

Just as a little update.
Trying to start work on a decent diet although i always try and fail. My diet is still very poor. Still using the same supps - Creapure(My protein) pre workout and Maximuscle Cyclone post. And thats it. Nothing else.
Also after having 3 months off to stop the plateau it really did work and results are still good after 18 months and i havent hit a wall yet as most said i would with a sh't diet.
Started at about 11 stone and now about 13 and half stone with a very low bmi.

One thing i wanted to ask as ive seen it advertised on them shoppin channels loads is this p90x? Whats the deal with it. Obviously they try and sell you it but its all the rage in america it seems.

[shell-vt]

yer it all takes time but good results..

[SaxoWM]

1 week deload is usually good regarding time off, what are you lifts looking like now? I should imagine around your height you wanna gun for at least 15 stone

[666saxo666]

Ye ive done a week off in the past but i did a couple on months off to fully restart my body if you like. It seemed to work well tbf. Im up to about 13 stone now with very little fat so ill update soon.
Still doin the same routine as page 1 still with a rather poor diet. I do eat all the good foods - salmon/egg/tuna/wholemeal bread and fresh meat like chicken and steaks etc but i still mix it in with fizzies/beer/general crap food. Maccies etc.


In terms of strength and weight etc heres what weight i do on some machines to give you idea -

Chest press and incline chest press (assisted machine not bench) -50kg on each side. Started on 25kg each side

Bench - 100kg including bar. Started on 50kg

Shoulder press - 35kg each side. Started on 20kg

Lat Pulldown (back) - 60kg each side. Started on 40kg.

So in the nearly 2 years i managed to double my weights. And looking at it now and thinkin back i was weak as fook aswell.

Would be interesting to see what weights other people do. Im by no means up there with some of the weights some other people in the gym lift. But im not liftin beginner weights so i dont look like a noob.

[Reid]

what sort of reps you doing here?

That seems a good bench for your size if your forms good

I am only benching 70kg + bar in my workout at the moment but that's clean and proper.

[lwigmore]

Form is usually, touching the centre of your chest with the bar, not this half rep bollocks that i see people do cause there pushing too much weight lol

But get some good pics up offf yourself fella as can't really tell in the dark with the pics at the moment :y:

[666saxo666]

Form is usually, touching the centre of your chest with the bar, not this half rep bollocks that i see people do cause there pushing too much weight lol

But get some good pics up offf yourself fella as can't really tell in the dark with the pics at the moment :y:

I appreciate the pic quality is a bit crap. My actual camera has broken and i only have my phone camera and its really crap with exposure of light so it needs to be a dark background or you literally cant see anything. The only thing i can do is maybe do a black and white photo and that might be ok. Ill give it a go now.

In terms of weight and form. Form is always good. Bar to chest etc. And reps on the above weights is 8. Ive got a pic from on photobucket now i'll edit and put up.

[666saxo666]

Ok so as said above my camera is broke so ive done a black and white edit which is ok i think.

Gettin on for about 2 years now since i started (see first post for original pics etc).
Still no diet - As i type this i have a glass of what my dad calls 'full fatboy's coke' next to me. I guess everyone's different especially when it comes to weights/training/muscle etc
My routine is still the same however and it has never changed see day 1. (See first post if your interested)
In my time ive found muscle talk to be a useful resource once u sift few the BS. And also to be fair this section aswell and there are a fair few people who have even commented in this thread that no their onions.

Original pic (unedited - as u can see the camera is not the best but its all ive got. The background has to be dark otherwise if its light you cant see a thing for some reason.)

http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt10/666saxo666/IMG_4205.png

And then same pic edited black/white...

http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt10/666saxo666/IMG_4206.jpg

Im 6ft 2 and current weight is around 12.7 stone. I suspect body fat % to be low teens.
I started 11.4 stone with a fair bit of body fat. and in 2 years i wanted 13 stone so ive not done to badly from what set out to achieve.

[McGuire86]

Why 8 reps ? Upper body movements should be 10 and lower body 12 minimum. You're training for contraction and to brake down the muscle fibres. 8 reps is ok for strength but if that's not your goal then you're wasting your workouts.

[JamesR]

Why the piss poor lighting? You cant actually see anything! Also if you think a fighter does a bodybuilding split 4x a week you are sadly mistaken. None of the pros publish their actual training regime, the only one who is half truthful is GSP and even he just does stuff to sell. The only fighter training you should pay attention to is Martin Rooneys training for warriors series.

Always makes me laugh when you get people training like bodybuilders thinking it will make them better fighters. LOL

[McGuire86]

Always makes me laugh when you get people training like bodybuilders thinking it will make them better fighters. LOL

Not if they're doing it as a hobby, doesn't make me laugh atall.

I did MMA for a number of months whilst following my bodybuilding lifestyle. I wasn't going to compete in the UFC or make an appearance at that years Mr Olympia so why can't you do both if your body can handle it ??

I'm starting Krav Maga in the winter and will continue with my bodybuilding.

[JamesR]

Because it's detrimental to train like a bodybuilder for combat sports / martial arts?

I can actually confirm this as when I started doing things like bicep curls and other concentration exercises my speed went out the window (boxing)

When I started doing things like jump squats with a barbell on my back, plyometics, medicine ball stuff, powerlifting, hill sprints, burpees with a weighted vest, using resistance bands etc etc I was far better, definitely noticed a difference in my last fight. And the extra strength definitely came into play in my last Ju Jitsu tournament when I was grappling this 18 stone monster lol

How come you didnt stick at MMA btw? Work or other commitments got in the way? Plan to stick at KM for years or just dabbling in things?

[mangojace]

Because it's detrimental to train like a bodybuilder for combat sports / martial arts?

I can actually confirm this as when I started doing things like bicep curls and other concentration exercises my speed went out the window (boxing)

When I started doing things like jump squats with a barbell on my back, plyometics, medicine ball stuff, powerlifting, hill sprints, burpees with a weighted vest, using resistance bands etc etc I was far better, definitely noticed a difference in my last fight. And the extra strength definitely came into play in my last Ju Jitsu tournament when I was grappling this 18 stone monster lol

How come you didnt stick at MMA btw? Work or other commitments got in the way? Plan to stick at KM for years or just dabbling in things?

Too true. Had a guy who does bodybuilding come into are boxing club. He tried a go at boxing, he was gassing after a few minutes, no stamina. And was far to slow for boxing.

[666saxo666]

Isnt it all to do with fast twitch muscles..?

i.e... bodybuilders do heavy weight with less reps to build big muscle and mma/boxing training would be less weight but fast and more reps.

I remember an interview with amir kahn and even though he only weighed 9 stone or somethin he had alot of power due to the fibres (fast twitch) in his muscles.

[mangojace]

Isnt it all to do with fast twitch muscles..?

i.e... bodybuilders do heavy weight with less reps to build big muscle and mma/boxing training would be less weight but fast and more reps.

I remember an interview with amir kahn and even though he only weighed 9 stone or somethin he had alot of power due to the fibres (fast twitch) in his muscles.

Evveryone has fast/slow twitch muscles, but yes sprinters for example are fast twitch etc.

People seam to think because a bodybuilder is muscley that his punches will be alot harder. When in fact most of the power from a punch is from the hips etc. A boxer needs to be fast and on his feet, a bodybuilder is slow and bulky. Comparing Boxing/MMA to bodybuilding is stupid imo. Two totally different things.

[DusheR]

Your still the runt of the litter, but keep trying.

[McGuire86]

Because it's detrimental to train like a bodybuilder for combat sports / martial arts?

I can actually confirm this as when I started doing things like bicep curls and other concentration exercises my speed went out the window (boxing)

When I started doing things like jump squats with a barbell on my back, plyometics, medicine ball stuff, powerlifting, hill sprints, burpees with a weighted vest, using resistance bands etc etc I was far better, definitely noticed a difference in my last fight. And the extra strength definitely came into play in my last Ju Jitsu tournament when I was grappling this 18 stone monster lol

How come you didnt stick at MMA btw? Work or other commitments got in the way? Plan to stick at KM for years or just dabbling in things?

At an amateur level then doing both is just fine. Any sort of resistance training will benefit you in sports, combat or not.
I don't know how bicep curls slowed you down seeing as you drive your punch with the triceps and delts..

I'm naturally skinny, before I trained I was around 11 stone, I'm now 14 and a half stone through bodybuilding exercise and diet. I haven't lost any agility, speed or stamina. I can still run 5+ miles 7minute per mile speed. If anything I have more stamina than I did a few years ago.

Everyone's bodies are different though, some people may not be able to do both but others can adapt and adjust to it. Like I said unless you're training to be a professional some day then you shouldn't have to choose. One can be your main goal and the other a hobby.

I stopped MMA because I was doing it when I was living in St Helens a year or so ago for half a year. The closest MMA gym down here which is respectable is a good 25miles away so I don't have time after work. Plus it's too much of a fashion now.
I want to do Krav Maga as it is real fighting, no rules, just pure MMA. There's a practice about 20miles from me so I'm going to check it out in the winter.

Evveryone has fast/slow twitch muscles, but yes sprinters for example are fast twitch etc.

People seam to think because a bodybuilder is muscley that his punches will be alot harder. When in fact most of the power from a punch is from the hips etc. A boxer needs to be fast and on his feet, a bodybuilder is slow and bulky. Comparing Boxing/MMA to bodybuilding is stupid imo. Two totally different things.

No one is comparing it. I wish you read before you put up half your posts. If a 15 stone bodybuilder started boxing he wouldn't be paired up with a 11 stone skinny boxer would he. That's what weight classes are for.

Everyone has this retarted idea that bodybuilders are big lumps with no agility or basic movement but you are extremely mistaken.

They are some of the best athletes on the planet. How many 240lb boxers do you know who can go down to single number bodfat levels, pose on stage for hours and then finish off with doing movements such as the splits and even a back flip that a gymnast would be proud of ?

And if you want to say muscle bound guys can't perform in combat then I guess the likes of Overeem, Shamrock, Sherk, Ortiz, Lombard, Tyson, Lacey, Haye and Jones Jr who are/were brick shit houses just throws that theory out the window.

At a higher level then training as a bodybuilder for combat sports or visa versa wouldn't be the best decision. But at an armature level, if your body can respond to it then there's nothing wrong with being able to do both.

[DusheR]

only thing that stopped me doing both was the constant injury's from mma.

Obviously the bigger you are the harder your heart works, lowering your cardio levels. But train to compensate for this and your body adapts. Just takes time.

[JamesR]

I still maintain why waste time training with isolation exercises when you can be doing explosive compound movements.

Just far better for sports where you need to be explosive, obviously. Cannot argue against that really.

I agree that MMA is just a fashion, every idiot and their nan is a "Cagefighter" these days, yeah, sure you are mate lol

[DusheR]

I still maintain why waste time training with isolation exercises when you can be doing explosive compound movements.

Just far better for sports where you need to be explosive, obviously. Cannot argue against that really.

I agree that MMA is just a fashion, every idiot and their nan is a "Cagefighter" these days, yeah, sure you are mate lol

'I do that ufc' hahaha.

Heard that too many times.

[JamesR]

'I do that ufc' hahaha.

Heard that too many times.

Such a quality line!

When someone comes out with the "I'm a cagefighter" - I normally just say "Why are you going round righting with cages :wacko:"

People don't seem to realise going to 2 lessons doesn't mean you're suddenly Lyoto Machida lol

[matt_vtr_15a]

I'm with mcguire on this one...

I do both muay thai/bjj along with bodybuilding...

I don't plan on being a professional in either field, I just enjoy doing both.

I could understand if you planned on being a professional or taking it seriously as one or the other, but as an average guy keeping himself healthy I think there a good mix..

[McGuire86]

I still maintain why waste time training with isolation exercises when you can be doing explosive compound movements.

Just far better for sports where you need to be explosive, obviously. Cannot argue against that really.

I agree that MMA is just a fashion, every idiot and their nan is a "Cagefighter" these days, yeah, sure you are mate lol

You're missing the point. I'm not saying following a bodybuilding routine is better than a typical fighter conditioning routine for combative sports.

I'm saying if you want to do both, you can..

[666saxo666]

Unless your in the ufc i dont see the point of doing all that type of crap. Just stop makin noise and get on the treadmill. Really does anger me.

[JamesR]

You're missing the point. I'm not saying following a bodybuilding routine is better than a typical fighter conditioning routine for combative sports.

I'm saying if you want to do both, you can..

Of course :)

Unless your in the ufc i dont see the point of doing all that type of crap. Just stop makin noise and get on the treadmill. Really does anger me.

Because anything I can do to give me even the slightest of edges will A: Help me win B: Not get the crap beaten out of me C: Help me become better

It isn't crap, it's sports specific training that actually does help.

[666saxo666]

Help with what?

[JamesR]

Help with what?

Help you perform at certain sports better?

For combative bases sports in particular you dont need JUST static strength you need explosive strength with endurance too, as well as isometric strength and endurance (think of pulling someone for ages how your muscles will tire out?) whether amatuer or at the top of the world, it helps and is needed if you want to win.

If it was all crap, no athletes would bother training :wacko:

Anyhow, back to the original topic sorry :)

[666saxo666]

If you do do it as a sport then fair enuff. I wud say less than 1% of people who say they do it actually compete at any level. And thats what annoys me. To many lads these days thinking there gonna jump in for hendo and fight jones.

[DusheR]

Your 95kg+

You fat bastard :D

[mangojace]

Help you perform at certain sports better?

For combative bases sports in particular you dont need JUST static strength you need explosive strength with endurance too, as well as isometric strength and endurance (think of pulling someone for ages how your muscles will tire out?) whether amatuer or at the top of the world, it helps and is needed if you want to win.

If it was all crap, no athletes would bother training :wacko:

Anyhow, back to the original topic sorry :)

+1 Hit the nail on the head mate. If your getting in a fight with someone you want to be as fit as you can. If your not really fit then chances are your stamina wont last in the ring/cage and you will get knocked the fuck out.

[JamesR]

Your 95kg+

You fat bastard :D

I'm 6ft 5 lol - So it's pretty spread out :p

What do you weigh? Look a rather large gent hahaha

Also, I was just on 15 stone, mistake really as I was in the top weight class which is unlimited which meant I was with monsters, going to make sure I'm just under for Denmark so I'm the biggest as opposed to smallest lol

[matt_vtr_15a]

If you do do it as a sport then fair enuff. I wud say less than 1% of people who say they do it actually compete at any level. And thats what annoys me. To many lads these days thinking there gonna jump in for hendo and fight jones.

You get the odd twat that says ' I'm a cagefigher' etc.

But the lads I train with are a good mix, theres a few that do fight at amateur/professional level and a few that don't!


Personally I train to the best of my ability, so I'm a bit handier than the average treadmill runner and it's an excellent form of exercise... much better than a treadmill imo...

Just because I attend mma classes doesn't make me think I'm a cagefighter...

It's usually the people that have done 1 lesson or a handful of lessons that are like that!

I know a lad that has fought at amateur and now professional level, the difference in fitness, speed and ability is incredible..

It's a hobby, you don't have to follow it thru!

Infact my mate sam initially started as a hobby and one thing lead to another now he fights pro...




EDIT:

Sam a lad i known in white shorts in is last amateur fight before turning pro... very technical fighter... 9-1 (9 submission wins)

Against Jack Grant , very physical fast and powerful fighter, seen him knockout a few lads at events I've been to watch!

12-0 (9 Knockouts)




CombatSport.TV - MMA - Sam Boult v Jack Grant Combat 1 Doncaster Dome Dec 3rd 2011 - YouTube

[DusheR]

I'm 6ft 5 lol - So it's pretty spread out :p

What do you weigh? Look a rather large gent hahaha

Also, I was just on 15 stone, mistake really as I was in the top weight class which is unlimited which meant I was with monsters, going to make sure I'm just under for Denmark so I'm the biggest as opposed to smallest lol

Yeh mate thats the idea, be at the top of weight class.

Ha aye Im 6'4" and around 18stone. Doing purely bodybuilding now though. Back when I trained jujitsu etc I got down to a fighting weight of around 14 and a half. I was a comfortable light heavy weight.

You get the odd twat that says ' I'm a cagefigher' etc.

But the lads I train with are a good mix, theres a few that do fight at amateur/professional level and a few that don't!


Personally I train to the best of my ability, so I'm a bit handier than the average treadmill runner and it's an excellent form of exercise... much better than a treadmill imo...

Just because I attend mma classes doesn't make me think I'm a cagefighter...

It's usually the people that have done 1 lesson or a handful of lessons that are like that!

I know a lad that has fought at amateur and now professional level, the difference in fitness, speed and ability is incredible..

It's a hobby, you don't have to follow it thru!

Infact my mate sam initially started as a hobby and one thing lead to another now he fights pro...




EDIT:

Sam a lad i known in white shorts in is last amateur fight before turning pro... very technical fighter... 9-1 (9 submission wins)

Against Jack Grant , very physical fast and powerful fighter, seen him knockout a few lads at events I've been to watch!

12-0 (9 Knockouts)




CombatSport.TV - MMA - Sam Boult v Jack Grant Combat 1 Doncaster Dome Dec 3rd 2011 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-TPZhLNegA)

Really good fight that. Your mate sams jj is very good. To be fair if I was that jack I would of worked on my takedown defense and tried to keep it on its feet.

Deserved win though!

[matt_vtr_15a]

Yeh mate thats the idea, be at the top of weight class.

Ha aye Im 6'4" and around 18stone. Doing purely bodybuilding now though. Back when I trained jujitsu etc I got down to a fighting weight of around 14 and a half. I was a comfortable light heavy weight.



Really good fight that. Your mate sams jj is very good. To be fair if I was that jack I would of worked on my takedown defense and tried to keep it on its feet.

Deserved win though!

He did a lot of folk/catch style wrestling in America and afterwards entered purely jj competitions as instructed by his trainer

Prepared him very well for his amateur career considering he lost his first match by decision he is unbeaten since, he is doing really well in professional fights now to!

He has removed most recent videos from youtube and keeps taking his facebook page down as people don't want to fight him as he takes it to the ground too much for their liking... The ground and pounders are a bit scared i think

Jack is just a brawler from what I have seen, he runs from the start in a lot of fights... Me and my mates where discussing this the other day...

Here is jacks highlight real, I was at a couple of these fights he has a lot of support but his style is too risky against somebody technically minded...

Jack grant highlight reel - YouTube

Here's another of sam it explains a lot more of his fighting style, fight doesn't start till around 5mins..

Worth a watch, and I think it's great for people to learn such techniques..


UCC2 - Fight 4 - Sam Boult vs Daniel Tansey - YouTube

[JamesR]

Really wish there was a Wrestling club closer to me, Liverpool is sh*t hot for martial arts tbh but Wigan and Leigh Wrestling club is about 15 miles from me, gutted as it would really help with the grappling category of my JJJ comps.

Have thought about entering a show called Amatuer Cage Battles since it really is people who have only been training in generic "MMA" classas for about 6 months or so, with me boxing for so long and coming upto 2 years of JJJ I think I'd easily cut the mustard lol

[McGuire86]

Really wish there was a Wrestling club closer to me, Liverpool is sh*t hot for martial arts tbh but Wigan and Leigh Wrestling club is about 15 miles from me, gutted as it would really help with the grappling category of my JJJ comps.

Have thought about entering a show called Amatuer Cage Battles since it really is people who have only been training in generic "MMA" classas for about 6 months or so, with me boxing for so long and coming upto 2 years of JJJ I think I'd easily cut the mustard lol

15 miles, man up lol. You would die living down here!

That Jack is a beast, he's like a young Robbie Lawler

[JamesR]

15 miles, man up lol. You would die living down here!

That Jack is a beast, he's like a young Robbie Lawler

When the city centre is 4.5 miles away, 15 miles is a heck of a long way to go haha 30 mile round trip, just isnt worth it, my Boxing gym is literally over the road and the Ju Jitsu dojo is 1 mile away :)

[matt_vtr_15a]

15 miles, man up lol. You would die living down here!

That Jack is a beast, he's like a young Robbie Lawler

At amateur level he was amazing to watch he just wanted to beat the shit out of people! And alot of them seem to strike and grapple rather than submit...

Best of luck to him at pro though! He certainly entertains!

James my thai and bjj class is 12miles away! It feels a treck, we have no shower facilities and sweating my tits off with my mates in the car for 15mins before i get home is not something i enjoy!

Theres a new fight club opened 500 yards from my home full of new and good equipment... Definately invest moee time and effort into some circuits etc and i can walk home afterwards!

Distance does piss me off :(