Midlanders, Help me kill helpless animals.

[holdawayt]

Calm down puffs and animal lovers I'm not going to strangle a cat (sam).

I'm a keen shooter but clay pigeon shooting is only so much fun, and live targets tend to be shot only on organised trips. So I've dug out my trusty Webley Hawk Mk2 air rifle and I'm after somewhere to shoot pigeon for a nice pigeon tea.

Our local sand quarry is normally good for this but they've recently had an ownership change meaning I can no longer shoot there. My garden is out of the question as it's surrounded by other gardens with young children in them. So I'm looking at other options.

I've been told to visit local farms and ask their permission to shoot. Does anybody local to Stourbridge know of any other sites I can just turn up and murder / hunt? :)

[Giraffe]

Heartless bastard

[leeham987]

Slightly of topic, could you recommend a good air rifle for a novice? for target shooting.

[holdawayt]

If I was shooting them for sport, I'd agree. But these will make a nice meal!

[leeham987]

If I was shooting them for sport, I'd agree. But these will make a nice meal!

can't beat game. Manager at my last job, used to bring in pigeons that he had shot over the weekend. Love pigepon breast and chips :)

[holdawayt]

Slightly of topic, could you recommend a good air rifle for a novice? for target shooting.

BSA have a great range, they'll cater for beginners and pro's and the prices will reflect that.

My Webley has been in the family since the 70's and is still as accurate and powerful as it was new. You can pick old spring loaded one's like the Webley for about £60 now from most gun shops.

[leeham987]

BSA have a great range, they'll cater for beginners and pro's and the prices will reflect that.

My Webley has been in the family since the 70's and is still as accurate and powerful as it was new. You can pick old spring loaded one's like the Webley for about £60 now from most gun shops.

cheers, will look into them.

[qrty]

All I read was...

Love breast :)

I agree! :y:


Thomas come round mine! Nuff pigeons y0!

[leeham987]

All I read was...



I agree! :y:


Thomas come round mine! New pigeons y0!


lol any form of breast is nice, apart from man breasts that is.

[holdawayt]

Didn't even cross my mind Guy, is there quite a few up by you?

[qrty]

Yarrr!

[holdawayt]

Y0 I'll ring you at the weekend!

[o_O]

Slightly of topic, could you recommend a good air rifle for a novice? for target shooting.

I got a BSA supersport .22 for my first, ive still got it dont have time for shooting, plug the nights are dark its around summer that you want to buy one :)

[Viper]

Ask around allotments?

[Gandi699]

Why pigeon? Go into the country and get yourself a pheasant :D

[Viper]

Pheasants are cunts like pigeons though.

[holdawayt]

Not keen on the taste of Pheasant. They're great fun to blast with a shotty but not good eating.

Plus I have a personal vendetta against pigeons, I left my roof down last summer and came back to a pigeon shit deep into the seat cushion.

[Gabbastard]

pheasants not good eating? wtf dude, theyre awesome.

[holdawayt]

Meh, can't say they taste bad. Just prefer fried up pigeon boob.

[Simon0014]

The more you assassinate the better, fucking hate pigeons. Lazy flithy Vermin!!

Sorry I can't help on location though, I'm a bit far away.

[D--R--E--W]

They're like rats with wings mate, kill kill kill

[0rang3peel]

I used to shoot on loads of farms around wiltshire, seriously just ask a farm and they will usually say yes as they are a farmers nightmare!

[scot-ish]

pheasants are out of season, as of yesterday.
pigeon is rotten, especially ferrel to eat. but each to there own i say.

make sure your air rifle is legal- now the new laws, over a certain power, and it must be on a shotgun ticket. and to be honest, and air rifle that isnt on a shotgun ticket, isnt worth having.

[holdawayt]

Well I've got all the correct licences for the shot guns, and I've killed hundreds of the fuckers with the air rifle so it's fine for me!

Nothing like downing a pigeon, ripping it's chest open, grabbing the breasts out and throwing them straight onto the stove!





I really hoped this thread would attract some anti-hunting folk. Ah well.

[GolfJay]

Shoot the kids of joining gardens?

[Bean]

i live in derby with a small holding, with plenty of tree's and lost's of pig nuts that they seem to love! me and my mate shoot it a lot between feb and sept, it always seems pretty quit between then, apart from the rabbits! your more than welcome to pop up some time for a shoot! its not amazing but its a laugh!!

[TomT]

Just follow my car around, there's always a load of pigeons shitting on it. Fucking bastards

[Simon0014]

Well I've got all the correct licences for the shot guns, and I've killed hundreds of the fuckers with the air rifle so it's fine for me!

Nothing like downing a pigeon, ripping it's chest open, grabbing the breasts out and throwing them straight onto the stove!

I really hoped this thread would attract some anti-hunting folk. Ah well.

Then you should have picked a more vulnerable animal like Bambi

[Chris_O]

I've been shooting for years myself, pigeons, pheasants, rabbits, foxes etc, but I think people are getting confused between the 'flying vermin' ferrel pigeons you city folk will see on a daily basis and the woodpigeons the country folk will see and decoy to shoot

[scot-ish]

Well I've got all the correct licences for the shot guns, and I've killed hundreds of the fuckers with the air rifle so it's fine for me!

Nothing like downing a pigeon, ripping it's chest open, grabbing the breasts out and throwing them straight onto the stove!





I really hoped this thread would attract some anti-hunting folk. Ah well.


to be honest, you sound like your talking shit. i reckong you've no got a shotgun ticket, and are just saying that part. otherwise why would you state it in plural?

for the air rifle, it dont matter if you have a shotgun ticket or not, if its over 12lb i think it is, then it must be on a shotgun ticket.

and if you wanna breast it fast, instead of the dramatic act you've mentioned, stand on its 2 wings, chest up, and pull the feet, that will breast the bird in less than 2 seconds.

[Toms112]

pheasants are out of season, as of yesterday.
pigeon is rotten, especially ferrel to eat. but each to there own i say.

make sure your air rifle is legal- now the new laws, over a certain power, and it must be on a shotgun ticket. and to be honest, and air rifle that isnt on a shotgun ticket, isnt worth having.

Got to disagree with you there, my AA S400 runs nicely at 11.6 ft/lb which yes is 0.4 under the legal limit without having to have a license of any sort. But I can happily shoot up to 60/70 yards.

Then again I don't know what these 'new' laws are?

[wobby82]

,,,,,,........

[holdawayt]

to be honest, you sound like your talking shit. i reckong you've no got a shotgun ticket, and are just saying that part. otherwise why would you state it in plural?

for the air rifle, it dont matter if you have a shotgun ticket or not, if its over 12lb i think it is, then it must be on a shotgun ticket.

and if you wanna breast it fast, instead of the dramatic act you've mentioned, stand on its 2 wings, chest up, and pull the feet, that will breast the bird in less than 2 seconds.

Honestly chap I don't talk Bollocks on a car forum. We own 4 shotguns and plenty of old air rifles. We have a licence to keep them and it gets checked and renewed ever 5 years. I'll be honest I have no idea how powerful this webley is. But it does the job and gets them killed. They were on display when the police were here for the checks and they asked no questions.
I was being funny with the pigeon thing, didnt realise we had Ray Mears's saxo owning cousin on here to correct every comical post I make on a less than formal thread. I'll be sure to refer to my bushman's survival guide before I comment on my techniques in future.

[Toms112]

I thought you needed a full F.A.C to have a 12+ ft/lb air rifle? Not just a shotgun license.

[holdawayt]

I have no idea, but I really doubt a 50 year old unmodified springer is going to be too powerful.

[Toms112]

I have no idea, but I really doubt a 50 year old unmodified springer is going to be too powerful.

Ill agree with you there but I'm not going to tell on your if it was.... we all have ways and means of getting a bit more poowwaaaarrrrr

[Carl-h]

My grandad would probably pay you to kill cats in his garden. He has sharpened some bamboo sticks below a tree that's usually full of birds so if a cat jumps up to eat one, hopefully it'll land on the bamboo on the way down lmao. He likes birds.

Always fancied shooting never tried it though.

[VTR_Bass87]

Shoot the RBS manager.

[Toms112]

Pics of peoples rifles?

My AA S400, custom stock, Nikko Sterling Nighteater, custom sidewheel.

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj45/Toms112/IMG_0217.jpg

( Removed if not allowed/wanted on here)

[Heftydanielson]

That's what I do.

Just ask around local farms and see if they'll allow you to shoot rabbits and pigeons.

One farmer we go lamping in rings us once every other week to shoot on his land, he says the amount of damage to crop they do is unreal, over a few thousands of pounds of damage.

Just go and ask.

[holdawayt]

Not sure on the legalities of this so Mods, if it's a problem please delete as necessary.

Here's the old faithful Webley Hawk Mk2 after a strip down and oil

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o317/Holdawayt/utf-8BSU1BRzAxMTYtMS5qcGc.jpg

And here's the BSA (bit more kick to it)

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o317/Holdawayt/utf-8BSU1BRzAxMTgtMS5qcGc.jpg

And here's a Musket from the middle ages, got a few of these:

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o317/Holdawayt/utf-8BSU1BRzAxMTkuanBn.jpg

Shotgun's are safely tucked away in the cabinet and Dad's got the key. I'll have to ask him for it tomorrow when he's home. Excuse the mess on the snooker table, we're having a bit of a move around!

[Toms112]

Is that an ultra?

As said above remove pics if they're not allowed etc!

[scot-ish]

Honestly chap I don't talk Bollocks on a car forum. We own 4 shotguns and plenty of old air rifles. We have a licence to keep them and it gets checked and renewed ever 5 years. I'll be honest I have no idea how powerful this webley is. But it does the job and gets them killed. They were on display when the police were here for the checks and they asked no questions.
I was being funny with the pigeon thing, didnt realise we had Ray Mears's saxo owning cousin on here to correct every comical post I make on a less than formal thread. I'll be sure to refer to my bushman's survival guide before I comment on my techniques in future.

I dont own a saxo, I've got an audi S5, a defender csw, and a wee corsa C runabout- i come on here when im bored offshore to take the piss.

having 4 guns, would still all be on the same license tho, not plural!! and im guessing by the way your talking, you either live on a farm/estate or your dad actually has the shotgun ticket, and you dont ??

on the power thing, i think it could be FAC- im not sure, i dont play with air rifles, nor have i since i was about 8 or 9.

and since your trying to get the anti's and also wanting pics of folks rifles.

here's a couple, and the damage- both shot at over 300 yards in the lamp.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/scot-ish/rifle1.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/scot-ish/rifle2.jpg

[S1rallye]

Been hunting a few times, didn't appeal to me, I'd rather cause pain to people than defenceless animals that can't fight back

[scot-ish]

HAHAHA is this the first anti posting?

[S1rallye]

HAHAHA is this the first anti posting?

If by anti you mean against the murder of helpless animals. Then yeah. It's people like you that want a bullet in the lamp at 300 yards not the fox. Such as yourself is why peoples cats and dogs end up getting shot for a laugh and end up being put down because of some idiot with a gun. It's all fun and games until someone's pet gets killed

[scot-ish]

i only shoot cats or dogs if thay are on the estate not under control, harrassing livestock, which im quite within my rights to do.

[S1rallye]

I highly doubt dogs or especially cats pose much of a threat to livestock. I find it sickening that you have such a low value on life and that you think you have the right to take it away so freely. Like I said its all fun and games until a six year old boys cat comes dragging itself through the door blood pouring from its leg because it's been shot by some land owner on a power trip. And then you got to explain why someone has shot his cat and that he will have to go to the vets and be put down.

[scot-ish]

naw mate, when i shoot summit with the rifle, its no dragging itself home. its dead. an chucked doon a hole, tell the kid it's moved away cos the weather here is pish.

livestock can be anything fenced in/inside a pen, I've shot a dog before after its already killed sheep, and plenty of cats inside pheasant pens killing young chicks, just for the sake of it. they cause bother to anything im dealing with. i'll shoot them the same i would a fox.

[S1rallye]

Sounds like you need to secure your livestock better than so animals can't get in.

[scot-ish]

are you actually a retard? dont you think its irresposible owners who think they have the right to just leave a dog of the lead anywhere, not to mention the pikey's who ran there lurchers on the ground.

is there no lonely tree's out there tonight?

[S1rallye]

Yeah I must be retarded if I don't like killing animals. What was I thinking ? Be careful with that gun mate wouldn't want you to slip and blow the back of your head up the wall. That would be a fucking shame!

[D--R--E--W]

Love that last comment Haha

[scot-ish]

aye, your a retard cos you'll sit an eat a burger, but cry about some1's dog being shot. get a grip ya troll.

and dont worry, i am safe with it, i know the capaabilites of it, remember i just blow up kids pets, dogs/cats/hamsters etc, ive shot them all.

[S1rallye]

U get a grip William Wallace I eat ya mams burger while your shooting hamsters or whatever it is you do I bet your an inbred highland hillbilly pig fucker or something do you play the banjo aswell or a combination of bagpipes too? I hope someone shoots you and skins you like a rabbit and puts u in a hole ya haggis munching twat

[holdawayt]

Ooh we have a bite!

To clarify its dad's ticket yeah. I'll have a read of the anti shooting posts later lol.

[scot-ish]

am no wully wallace, he's ma dads mate fae when he was at school.

<---- see my location on the left there = Stranraer probably the furthest away from the Highlands you can be, and still be in Scotland. so your scottish slagging can retreat back aver the border- you'll know how that goes.

i dont play the banjo, but yer welcome to play with my banjo string wi yer tongue

its impossible to skin a human like a rabit, there is no membrane there like there is with a rabbit. but what would i know, the only rabbits iskin are pet ones that i steal from 6 yer old kids hutches in the night.

you got any pets you need put down? yerself included.

[S1rallye]

Lmao :D

[S1rallye]

If I need any animals slaughtering I know where to find you at least

[devilsadvocate]

Personally I couldn't bring myself to shoot an animal but each to thier own.

I am starting to see a Michael Ryan and Thomas Hamilton theme here....how many of you are 30+ and living with your mums? ;)

[holdawayt]

S1Rallye You're entitled to your opinion dude. But have you ever gone fishing?

That's pretty cruel too, considering you make them bite down onto a hook that pierces their face, then drag them through the water, into the air all by the skin of their cheek? At least what we do is for pest control and is quick and painless.

[holdawayt]

Personally I couldn't bring myself to shoot an animal but each to thier own.

I am starting to see a Michael Ryan and Thomas Hamilton theme here....how many of you are 30+ and living with your mums? ;)

I'm 20, believe me if I could afford to put a monumental deposit down on my own place I would!

[devilsadvocate]

I'm 20, believe me if I could afford to put a monumental deposit down on my own place I would!

It was a joke mate, if I didn't hate my parents I would be living there and saving the £500 I pay in rent for a deposit!

[holdawayt]

Haha oh! Difficult to pick up sarcasm over the internet, especially this early lol

[Barry123]

That's pretty cruel too, considering you make them bite down onto a hook that pierces their face, then drag them through the water, into the air all by the skin of their cheek? At least what we do is for pest control and is quick and painless.

I'm slowly starting to avoid my seafood these days because of that, well, more so because they're not actually stunned or anything, they just get heaved out of their environment and left to flap about and suffocate which is pretty cruel imo.

Fuck I've just realised I'm actually turn more vegetarian... I eat more quorn than I do meat stuff now... arhghhhhhhh I've turned gay noooooo

r.e. shooting, unless you're some aim-bot leet hackr or something and getting multikill headshots. I doubt the animal would go quickly and painlessly. Just I'm not expert on the physiology of being shot.

[holdawayt]

EEEW my girlfriend eats Quorn, tastes like dead vagina.

There's a general rule of thumb with shooting, if you don't have a clean shot - don't shoot it! So you aim for the head, neck or spinal cord (very small on a pigeon so it's a bit tricky).

I've only had one "accident" when I was younger. Shot the bird and down it went, the pellet went through the eye so I was pretty certain it was dead. But it blinked the other eye then started to flap a bit. Now apparently this is pretty common and it's just reflexes but I got scared and broke it's neck instead. I flicked it way too hard and it's head was removed from it's body.

Still flapping around! At that point I'm sure it was dead lol, the body just didn't know it yet!

[Barry123]

EEEW my girlfriend eats Quorn, tastes like dead vagina.


Thanks mate, I'm going back to meat after that description. It tastes alright but by christ when cooking it, it does smell of minge.

Nice story about the head less bird. This is what puzzles me, you can't enjoy blood and guts spilling out all over the place surely? I trying to imagine a bird in my hands and I've got to break its neck... don't think I could.

Do you shoot wood pigeons? I quite like em, big n fat n stupid :)

[scot-ish]

u dont think you could break a birds kneck? what about throw a punch in a fight?

[Barry123]

u dont think you could break a birds kneck? what about throw a punch in a fight?

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[Barry123]

In all seriousness, I can't even throw a punch against someone. I did do boxing, but won't throw a punch unless they're in a head guard - it's like an invisible force field around someone.

christ I actually am gay.

anyway, I still don't really see the comparison. You make it sound like throwing a punch is as regular as brushing my teeth. I'm not cut out for fighting about in a pub/club/whatever, you see nobs acting all hard, they just look like cunts. No one actually thinks they're cool. I would rather mediate or run off than be a one of those demented fucknosecockmasters throwing a random and often, sloppy, punch.

[holdawayt]

Oh no way I didn't enjoy the headless pigeon part, just felt neccessary as I wanted to put it out of it's misery! A pellet to the head is remarkably clean. You get a bit of leakage in the bag afterwards but the feathers tend to seal the wound if it's a spine / heart shot.

Blood doesn't bother me particularly though, my grandparents own a farm and I was brought up around slaughter houses etc.

[Barry123]

I went with my mother to donate blood once, I fainted before I'd even got on the bed.

That's what happens when you're brought up in a middleclass town with no exposure to the real world.

[holdawayt]

Haha I don't enjoy giving blood. I was expecting a little private booth thing and it to take about 30 seconds.

Did it fuck. Massive town hall full of people leaking blood out their arms into little warm sacks that are next to your head. And it took about 4 minutes!! I've never been bad with blood from other animals or people. But blood tests or donations really make me feel sick.

[Chris_O]

EEEW my girlfriend eats Quorn, tastes like dead vagina.

There's a general rule of thumb with shooting, if you don't have a clean shot - don't shoot it! So you aim for the head, neck or spinal cord (very small on a pigeon so it's a bit tricky).

I've only had one "accident" when I was younger. Shot the bird and down it went, the pellet went through the eye so I was pretty certain it was dead. But it blinked the other eye then started to flap a bit. Now apparently this is pretty common and it's just reflexes but I got scared and broke it's neck instead. I flicked it way too hard and it's head was removed from it's body.

Still flapping around! At that point I'm sure it was dead lol, the body just didn't know it yet!

If you're out decoying a lot of pigeons I often have to break the necks of half dead pigeons. Sounds a bit brutal but its just part and parcel of what happens. All well and good saying always go for the head, but when you're using a shotgun trying to shoot flittery pigeons in high winds its very easy just to wing them etc. Obviously a lot easier to get clean shots on rabbits/ foxes with a rifle though

[darrenh84]

murderer , someone needs a slap :/ to get your jollies off killing something is sadistic no matter what the thing is your killing

[holdawayt]

It's pest control.

If you had an ant infestation in your house, how would you deal with it?
If you had rats or mice living in your garage, would you put mouse traps down?
I also take it you're vegetarian?

These pigeons destroy crops and spread disease. If a farmer wants you to get rid of them for him, you do it. And it's decent target practice while you're at it.

[S1rallye]

S1Rallye You're entitled to your opinion dude. But have you ever gone fishing?

That's pretty cruel too, considering you make them bite down onto a hook that pierces their face, then drag them through the water, into the air all by the skin of their cheek? At least what we do is for pest control and is quick and painless.

I have been before yeah it's not really my cup of tea but I can see where your coming from. I'm not some nature loving tree hippy type i just dont like animal cruelty and shit. Have you ever seen the videos of the shark fin hunters? Catch sharks chop off both fins and throw it back into the ocean still alive it sinks to the bottom and bleeds to death unable to move. So in humane it's unreal. I've got no problem getting physical with humans as my occupation involves a lot of that but I suppose I could never bring myself to kill an animal that can't fight back

[holdawayt]

My cousin is an ambassador for a shark finning charity. Now that is sick.

I would never torture an animal or cause distress intentionally. A decent shooter will kill the animal before it hits the ground. It's extremely quick and it prevents crops being destroyed.

[S1rallye]

Yeah fair one but I didn't agree with the pictures of dead animals being uploaded by the scot not something I want to see

[scot-ish]

Yeah fair one but I didn't agree with the pictures of dead animals being uploaded by the scot not something I want to see

ive got pics of dear, goats, boar, gazelle's even one of a tiger with my rifle beside them if your interested? dont tell me a tiger cant fight back? i just stalked her before she could stalk me, was a game of cat and mouse, just i had the rifle.

[S1rallye]

I hope you get mauled by a tiger. your one sick individual getting your kicks off shooting animals aren't you. I'd get kicks off watching a tiger eat your face while your still alive get the popcorn in!

[S1rallye]

Karmas a bitch that's all I've got to say to you. You'll get what's coming to you don't worry about that

[scot-ish]

Karmas a bitch that's all I've got to say to you. You'll get what's coming to you don't worry about that

i always get whats coming to me, usually wait till they are only 150- 200 yards away, then take them out- thats why i think its fair, in reality, ive only got 2 or 3 shots, then ive got quickly get in the landrover and drive away- otherwise they could get me.

[Bean]

Karmas a bitch that's all I've got to say to you. You'll get what's coming to you don't worry about that

i guarantee your fine eating beef thats been bolt gunned between the eyes, hung up by its back legs, through slit and left to bleed out?? or eat eggs from chickens that have been kept in a cubic foot metal cage with nothing to eat except its own shit?! exactly! its pest control! its not cruel its not inhumane, its a way of life! deal with and get off your ivory tower :bunny::homo: