Eibach Sportline 50mm Lowering Springs

[iN7eL]

Was going to purchase these as coilovers are looking a bit pricey atm, couple of questions before hand though

- What is the quality like on these springs?

- Do i need to upgrade shocks or dampers with these springs? If so, which ones as there are shed loads on kamracing.

Finally - Does anyone have a picture with these sportlines fitted? (50mm)

That's all for now ^_^

[Gandi699]

Eibach are excellent springs. You'll need shortened shocks

[iN7eL]

Any chance you could link me, do I need all 4 shocks? I.e front left front right rear left rear light? Sorry if it sounds stupid haha

[Gandi699]

You'll need two front shocks but as its got torsion bar rear suspension you can choose the ride the height by altering the rear torsion bars. I wont go into too much detail but you have to take them out, measure the new height of the radius arms then put the bars back. shortened/adjustable rear shocks are desirable on the rear

[Baz]

Got them fitted on mine, loads of piccies in the link below from page 15 onwards (though there is a contents section on page 1, pics of them fitted with 14, 15 and 16 " wheels.

Had them fitted on standard shocks since 2007

[iN7eL]

so you didn't need to shorten the dampers mate?

[Baz]

so you didn't need to shorten the dampers mate?

nope, still running the standard dampers. Looking at replacing them now as they have been on the car for 12 years nearly and 5 of those with the Eibach springs on them. Done about 60k on the springs too

[iN7eL]

Fair enough mate, whats the gap like between the wheel and the arch? is 50mm pretty much bang on?

[Brettles1986]

Strictly speaking you should replace the dampers but like a lot of members on here no doubt , I didn't and didn't have any issued. The dampers will give way eventually though

[Gandi699]

Its not recommended to run a greater than 35mm drop on standard shocks but as above, the proof is in the pudding and real life. Plus if you are doing the suspension, why stick with shitty dampers?

[iN7eL]

Well the point of getting springs was because coilovers were too pricey, looking at springs with the shocks its looking like £340!

[josh11490]

I've heard the eibach's are good but I'm down 50mm on apex springs on standard shocks and i haven't had any problems yet.

[KamRacing]

apex are good, eibachs are better :D Best spring manufacturer in the world....

[LSOfreak]

i used to run the 35mm eibach springs with standard shocks and they felt fine tbh eibach springs are very good quality and have a similar spring rate to standard so they feel ok.
All depends on your budget though and what you intend to use the car for. If its not being pushed to the limits on track, id just use standard shocks, or even just buy an apex/ spax suspension kit.

you can buy gaz coilovers for £350, so £340 seems wayy to overpriced

[barwell1992]

we use eibach springs on all our dampers at work be it LMP1 24hour cars or GT3 nissan GTRs one of the best if not the best spring manufacturer

ps running dampers lower in there stroke with shorter springs won't do any damage at all to the damper, in fact it stiffens the damper up and reduces flex between the damper body and the shaft reducing ware on the internal bushes and seals, the only cause of dampers failing with shorter springs would be that there harder and make the dampers work harder (on rebound).

and GAZ coil overs are utter dog turd, bilstein are the best for a decent price, AST are over priced and not much better than gaz apart from the lack of bits of metal floating round in the damper oil ..

[LSOfreak]

we use eibach springs on all our dampers at work be it LMP1 24hour cars or GT3 nissan GTRs one of the best if not the best spring manufacturer

ps running dampers lower in there stroke with shorter springs won't do any damage at all to the damper, in fact it stiffens the damper up and reduces flex between the damper body and the shaft reducing ware on the internal bushes and seals, the only cause of dampers failing with shorter springs would be that there harder and make the dampers work harder (on rebound).

and GAZ coil overs are utter dog turd, bilstein are the best for a decent price, AST are over priced and not much better than gaz apart from the lack of bits of metal floating round in the damper oil ..

why do you say that out of interest?
for your average road user they aren't that bad

[KamRacing]

For your average road user they are very firm. Maybe too firm.
AST outperform Gaz by a long margin

The main problem is saxo owners don't want to spend any money so options are limited and quality often suffers. People should not get obsessed about coilovers when a Mcpherson setup can often give a better ride.

[LSOfreak]

yeah they are extremely firm! far from a comfortable ride
just never heard anyone say gaz coilovers are utter dog turd before lol so was just curious to why..

[KamRacing]

The ones most people buy are basic tech but this allows them to be cheap

[barwell1992]

yeah they are extremely firm! far from a comfortable ride
just never heard anyone say gaz coilovers are utter dog turd before lol so was just curious to why..

Im a damper technician so have worked on a few bits from gaz £100 dampers to £2500 per damper Ohlins and sachs stuf

and the gaz were just terrible they had rust inside, filled with metal fillings and swarf, poor valving, useless adjuster design and when we dyno'd them they produced completely different damping rates to one another not good ! also some of the important internal components that need to be flat and smooth that should be machined flat were literally hack saw'd from a big lump of steel and not even flat.

bilstein stuff might be simple but at least they can build something of quality inside and out.

sorry about the rant just dont want people to waste there money.

and the ASTs we have in at the moment, well the shaft bushes fell out as did all the oil .... but there very well made shame there just not quite what i'd call well designed PS they are the same people that make MOTON dampers

cheers

[harry289]

I had eibach 50mm springs on my old vtr on standard dampers and were fine. dampers had only covered 33k miles mind you.

go for the apex 50mm kit with the dampers.

or get the eibach sportlines and get apex or blistein b8 dampers front and rear for a good suspension set up :)

[KamRacing]

Im a damper technician so have worked on a few bits from gaz £100 dampers to £2500 per damper Ohlins and sachs stuf

and the gaz were just terrible they had rust inside, filled with metal fillings and swarf, poor valving, useless adjuster design and when we dyno'd them they produced completely different damping rates to one another not good ! also some of the important internal components that need to be flat and smooth that should be machined flat were literally hack saw'd from a big lump of steel and not even flat.

bilstein stuff might be simple but at least they can build something of quality inside and out.

sorry about the rant just dont want people to waste there money.

and the ASTs we have in at the moment, well the shaft bushes fell out as did all the oil .... but there very well made shame there just not quite what i'd call well designed PS they are the same people that make MOTON dampers

cheers

AST bought MOTON - they are two separate entities though. MOTON are superior apparently and a crap load more expensive.