deca durabolin + testosterone enanthate cycle progress

[jamie8v]

Right thought a few people might be interested to watch this thread i started a deca durabolin + testosterone enanthate stack on may 1st.
Im jabbing 4 ml aweek 1ml of Deca 1 ml off test twice a week for 10 weeks, drop the deca run test for a furthur 2 weeks Then 3weeks from last jab im on a 4 week pct with clomid+nolvadex.. This is all been done under supervision of some highly experienced bodybuilders of course heres my progress:

stats at start of cycle (1st may)
22years old
5.10ft
73 kg

routine:
5 day split .. sat Sunday rest days

diet:

7.30 am: oats hand full of almonds whey protein

8.30 am: gym

10.00am whey protein , Mackerel in oil (one tin)

12.00pm one chicken breast , boiled potatoes , peas , carrots

2.00pm normally couple of fruit and few spoons full of peanut butter (love this stuff)

4.00pm small beef steak ,boiled potatoes, peas and brown rice

6.00pm bowl off oats hand full of almonds

8.00pm whey protein

10.00pm spoon full of peanut butter then bed

first progress pics (21st may 74.8kg)

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj293/jamiec883/progress.png

will update again in a couple weeks.. ( and i know haters going to hate so do one if you going to cry on about steroids )

[blackie_2k5]

Why not 12 weeks

(please dont say because the test and deca comes in tens..)

[jamie8v]

(droping deca 10th week running test for another 2 weeks )

[McGuire86]

How long were you training prior to the cycle ?

[jamie8v]

been on and off for years but started back up at end off 2011 when i did some time at hmp just been released day before first pic

[DusheR]

What lab test e and deca you using?

Diet wise its change a few things:

7.30 am: 100-200g oats hand full of almonds whey protein

8.30 am: gym

10.00am whey protein , Mackerel in oil (one tin)

12.00pm one chicken breast , boiled potatoes , peas , carrots

2.00pm normally couple of fruit and few spoons full of peanut butter (love this stuff) whey protein

4.00pm small beef steak ,boiled potatoes, peas and brown rice

6.00pm bowl off oats hand full of almonds whey protein shake

8.00pm Omlette 8eggs, 2 yolks, ham, mushrooms or whatever tickles your fancy

10.00pm Casien shake and spoon full of peanut butter then bed


Even that means your having 5 shakes a day. Could do with getting more solid protein.

Plus post workout I tend to have a solid meal 1 hour after training with some carbs in it. Waiting 2 hours might mean you miss the 'window' in which your body uses all nutrients ingested.

[McGuire86]

been on and off for years but started back up at end off 2011 when i did some time at hmp just been released day before first pic

Personally I would of waited and put on alot more natural mass before taking that road but it's your choice. Take it steady

[jamie8v]

test is: alpha-pharma and decca is visible edge laboratories

[leeroybrown]

I'd be impressed with those results!

Look alot thinner and tight on the stomach area

[DusheR]

test is: alpha-pharma and decca is visible edge laboratories

Alpha pharma are g2g and Ive heard good things about visible edge labs.

Is the deca 100mg/ml? if so its pretty pointless running it at 2ml/week.

[jamie8v]

the deca is 200mg/ml , thanks im quite happy with results so far body fat is coming down steadly and surely

[DusheR]

the deca is 200mg/ml , thanks im quite happy with results so far body fat is coming down steadly and surely

Thats good then mate 400-600mg deca is a good dose. This your first cycle?

[jamie8v]

Thats good then mate 400-600mg deca is a good dose. This your first cycle?

yea first cycle i got warned away from deca for a first cycle but was told and seen the gains it gives when run with test e

[DusheR]

To be fair Id do more like 16 weeks and run some hcg up to your pct. Your first cycle will always be your best, make the most of it

[Dizzy]

would run an extra ml of deca so youre getting about 1.5:1 of nandrolone to test.

[666saxo666]

I no you said 'haters gon hate' but im not hatin but im just wondering why you feel you need to do it? Ive never done it so just intersted to be honest. Do you not think you could of had the gains without juice? Ok it may of took a few months longer but In my opinion you can tell the difference between juice / natural and natural looks alot better and has no side effects. Ive had mates with bad acne from juice etc.

[DusheR]

I no you said 'haters gon hate' but im not hatin but im just wondering why you feel you need to do it? Ive never done it so just intersted to be honest. Do you not think you could of had the gains without juice? Ok it may of took a few months longer but In my opinion you can tell the difference between juice / natural and natural looks alot better and has no side effects. Ive had mates with bad acne from juice etc.

You can get acne from drinking milk ffs. Plenty of ways to get rid from creams over the counter to accutane.

The way I see it, no one is natural.

Natural bb's all take creatine yes? For what reason? To fill muscle cells with water for size and strength! They take mass amounts of amino acids yes? For what reason? Anti catabolism, quicker recovery etc etc.

Steroids do all of these. They way I see it, if you stay natural is because your either scared what people may think of you, or just cant source it.

Why do you think prohormones are so popular? Because they are readily available to buy and people don't carry the same prejudices.

The government says they are bad so we mustn't use them right? Fucking puppets.

[Prickle]

The ops in the cells atm :D

[McGuire86]

You can get acne from drinking milk ffs. Plenty of ways to get rid from creams over the counter to accutane.

The way I see it, no one is natural.

Natural bb's all take creatine yes? For what reason? To fill muscle cells with water for size and strength! They take mass amounts of amino acids yes? For what reason? Anti catabolism, quicker recovery etc etc.

Steroids do all of these. They way I see it, if you stay natural is because your either scared what people may think of you, or just cant source it.

Why do you think prohormones are so popular? Because they are readily available to buy and people don't carry the same prejudices.

The government says they are bad so we mustn't use them right? Fucking puppets.

Nothing wrong with staying natural for a few years then going on the juice mate

[DusheR]

Nothing wrong with staying natural for a few years then going on the juice mate

When did I say they wasn't? He wasn't saying why start at a young age, was just slating starting them in general.

[McGuire86]

When did I say they wasn't? He wasn't saying why start at a young age, was just slating starting them in general.

I wasn't saying it in reference to his post.. Was referring to you saying people stay natural because they're scared of what people may think of them or they can't source it.

I could give a fuck what people think of me lifting, I get accused of being on steroids quite a few times so even if I was it wouldn't make any difference to me lol. Plus I could get it if I wanted to ;)

Just prefer to stay natural at the moment, less hassle and I'm enjoying making good gains in both size and strength. However I believe I'm coming to the end of my natural potential now, or close anyway so I may well choose to do a cycle in the autumn.

[blackie_2k5]

That's what makes me laugh about ppl who "stay natural"

Not pointing at you btw McGuire,

Everyone who stays natural doesn do that, you stay natural then all you do is eat,

Fact is most "natural" users, pump full of diff sups aimed at doing exactly what gear does, with worse results, more cost, and chances are worse risks to your health

No one sais gear is good for you, but it is in many ways, and anyone who's tried it will have already seen this in some form(clearing of skin, better joint feel, relief from pains etc etc etc), many of the sups ppl take these days have less research on them then basic gear, so fuck knows what your eating

Your Not staying natural, as chances are a lot of it is gear anyway, branded before a drug test and disappears to a new name soon after, only thing is your unaware so you got no pct or anything else lined up

It's exactly as Dusher sais tbf, don't want the stigma of the name

[666saxo666]

This argument has obviously been done to death. I agree that smashin loads of supps is the same as juice pretty much. And i dont no why anyone does that either. All i have is a protein shake basically which is like a cheap chicken dinner.(if i could afford a chicken dinner after gym everytime i would do that instead) . I couldnt be doing with puttin all that crap in your body. It can be done natural and it is like cheatin i dont care what anyone says hence why its banned in competition, its widely accepted that anyone doin juice is cheatin.
Yes and you are also right that i 100% dont want the stigma of bein on the juice. Natural looks alot better than juice results also i you can tell the difference easy.

[Dizzy]

All steroids are is a synthetic copy of a hormone already present in your body, or a synthetic compound to accelerate processes in your body. They are nothing like suppliments at all, and while were at it, a protein shake is nothing like a chicken dinner.

How you can say suppliments arent tested is beyond me, the only thing on the shelves that can be called a 'legal' steroid are pro hormones. Protein, carbohydrates, amino acids, no2 products, stimulants and pre workouts are all derived from natural sources in controlled environments. Dont spout shit like that without the knowledge to back it up.

Also, you aren't cheating if the only person competing with you is yourself....

[blackie_2k5]

[quote=Dizzy;5967384]All steroids are is a synthetic copy of a hormone already present in your body, or a synthetic compound to accelerate processes in your body. They are nothing like suppliments at all, and while were at it, a protein shake is nothing like a chicken dinner.

How you can say suppliments arent tested is beyond me, the only thing on the shelves that can be called a 'legal' steroid are pro hormones. Protein, carbohydrates, amino acids, no2 products, stimulants and pre workouts are all derived from natural sources in controlled environments. Dont spout shit like that without the knowledge to back it up.

Also, you aren't cheating if the only person competing with you is yourself....[.






At which point I'd I say sups were like gear? I said a lot of the "sups" ppl take are gear, that's why they get banned once they've been tested!

All products need testing at some point, they only get a yay or nay after this, just because it's in the shelf doesn't mean it's legal, and just because it's legal doesn't mean it's good for you, what about all the legal highs and many other bollox floating about, fuck your head right up but they're still allowed to sell them

And your telling me every product on the shelf has years of detailed professional research on them? Like steroids have had? Do they fuck!! That's why they pop up, get banned then disappear once a proper test had been done!! Who's to say mixing two ingredients in a product which is totally legal won't fuck you up years down the line.. Not enough research on many products and food stuff these days, untill they're proven to be dangerous nothing will ne done.

I never said every product either, That's why I said "a lot of".

Opium is a naturally occurring substance, as are many others, including loads of poisons! You saying they are also good for you because they aren't man made?

Im well aware of what gear is, I think it's you who needs to stop spouting shit tbh

[blackie_2k5]

Or was that not aimed mostly at me? Lol (just read the other post)

[jamie8v]

lol at thread I fort they would be a few arguments .. Well as for sides have experienced none to bad. joints fell 100% better then when I started all ways had bad shoulders now they feel fine my lifts are shooting up and gaining about 1.5 kg ish a week

75.6kg
http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj293/jamiec883/29thmay.jpg

Black and white because I look like a lobster been enjoying the sun a bit much lol

[mikeygs]

Got any side effects yet?

[jamie8v]

been a bit snappy latley but puting that down to the hot weather and geting quite a bit off bloat but this could be off all the food im eating but skin is still clear ect..

[mikeygs]

My temper can be shit at times, so that worries me if I was to ever get on it.

[CJMackin]

Looks like good progress anyhow

Do you fellas jab or pill it?

Its not something id consider due to other health issues, asking purely out of curiosity

[Benji-Westcoast]

gains are looking solid there fella keep at it...

Im actually planning a cycle myself at the moment, have sourced the gear but im having bother getting hold of the PCT (obviously dont want to start until ive got hold of this). Where do you get your Nolva and clomid from?

[DusheR]

gains are looking solid there fella keep at it...

Im actually planning a cycle myself at the moment, have sourced the gear but im having bother getting hold of the PCT (obviously dont want to start until ive got hold of this). Where do you get your Nolva and clomid from?

Some cheeky mutha fucka sells it on ebay:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PCT-clomid-nolvadex-tamoxifen-/320916372480?pt=UK_Health_Beauty_Vitamins_Suppleme nts&hash=item4ab81b3c00

hahaha madness. 3 week under dosed pct for 50quid? Seems quite a few are buying too! Idiots.

[DusheR]

wow theres actually loads on ebay. Did not know that

[McGuire86]

Thought ebay clamped down on that. I remember about 5 years ago people were selling dbol on there lol, I know a man who would buy it and sell it on for more :cool:

[L33h]

wow what a bump haha

[L33h]

PS. The only thing thats stopping me from jumping on the gear is ive got a bad temper to start with so id end up being a dick lol