Goodbye Uni hello life

[Brettles1986]

So how many of you have finished Uni this year? I've finished my 4 years and looking forward to some fun time

[manta]

I've just finished my first year.

Giggity.

[Morgzc]

Just finished second year, due to many poor life choices I will be starting second year next year too.

[Liamjrhodes]

Just finished my first year and got another 4 years to go hopefully

[Tom5190]

Not finished yet 2 weeks left! Hate this time of year its a joke. Will be going into my final year (aslong as i pass ha)

[haz_pro]

Just about to finish placement year, found out the gf is pregnant so not even sure I'll be able to finish my last yeah now. :wall:

[Dori]

I start in September after a year out!

[Jack]

Just finished my second year :)

[Brettles1986]

I have to be honest I feel for those who have to now get a job, there's not a lot about really, I'm lucky that I have one and did uni part time.

[Piggie]

Never went.

Work will pay for my degree. That'll do nicely

[Jordysport]

I've finished this year, fingers crossed of course. applied for 1 job, got an interview was then told they are only interviewing 4 people for 2 jobs. :D

[gretsch-drummer]

I finished my degree yesterday. But now applied for a 1 year car spraying course next year. (wonder how long I can put off getting a job aye?)

[rey]

Just finished my 3 years.

Winner winner!

[RyanSaxo]

will finish my final year in just under 2 weeks.

have a graduate scheme lined up to start in September. Bring on my last ever summer!

[martinmac]

Finished my 4th year 3 weeks ago, off to Greece in July for 6 weeks of well earned relaxation time, then I suppose ill need to get myself a real job when I get back :P

[devilsadvocate]

Don't need a degree in my field, 6 years experience and a few professional qualifications are enough :)

[Brettles1986]

Don't need a degree in my field, 6 years experience and a few professional qualifications are enough :)

I dont really, got 10 years experience now and no qualifications other than GCSE's so thought bugger it as it didnt cost me.

Next up is MCSE or CCNA

[MiniGibbo]

Bawss's dont need to go to uni.

[Brettles1986]

Bawss's dont need to go to uni.

You spelt GAYS wrong :homme:

[devilsadvocate]

I dont really, got 10 years experience now and no qualifications other than GCSE's so thought bugger it as it didnt cost me.

Next up is MCSE or CCNA

I've done the CCNA, hard exam to do as you can't fake it. Plenty or simulator questions so you have to know your shit to pass. Think it's like 85% pass mark. Took me 3 months of 2 hours per day studying with both books (600 pages per book) and cbt nugget videos! I have learnt a load more actually doing it every day though.

Every man and his dog has an MCSE in the IT field, not many have CCNA/CCNP.

[D1zzyman]

I've done the CCNA, hard exam to do as you can't fake it. Plenty or simulator questions so you have to know your shit to pass. Think it's like 85% pass mark. Took me 3 months of 2 hours per day studying with both books (600 pages per book) and cbt nugget videos! I have learnt a load more actually doing it every day though.

Every man and his dog has an MCSE in the IT field, not many have CCNA/CCNP.

is the ccna only valid for 3 years ? or is it the ccnp

[baker556]

CCNA is quite basic compared to CCNP, cisco have started putting GUI with there routers anyway so any dog and bone can have a go. Soon CCNA etc won't be worth what it is and runs out every couple of years, but fair play to everyone that has done it, its not easy.

[baker556]

The thing is Laurie not every job needs CCNA/CCNP as they have contractors and hire them out to set up their network then call them if there are any issues. Not every employer wants a networker on a full time role sucks to be me BSc computer networking with server administration.

[Brettles1986]

I've done the CCNA, hard exam to do as you can't fake it. Plenty or simulator questions so you have to know your shit to pass. Think it's like 85% pass mark. Took me 3 months of 2 hours per day studying with both books (600 pages per book) and cbt nugget videos! I have learnt a load more actually doing it every day though.

Every man and his dog has an MCSE in the IT field, not many have CCNA/CCNP.

What is it you do if you don't mine me asking and what does it involve?

[devilsadvocate]

What is it you do if you don't mine me asking and what does it involve?

Im a Network Engineer for Kent County Council. I am part of a 4 person Network Operations Centre team.

Cisco is the way to go in my opinion, you have to renew it every 3 years but doing the CCNP will auto renew your CCNA for 3 more years as its more advanced.

Microsoft Products change all the time but the foundations of Networking have been the same for years so knowing it like the back if your hand and being able to subnet will get you far.

Baker is right in that companies do use contractors a lot (we have 4) but if I ever lose my job then contracting is the way I will go. Think we are paying £450 per day which is cheap for Network contractors. Depends what you are into, I loved networking once I got into it and this will hopefully be my career until retirement :)

The routing part of the CCNP is much more advanced than the CCNA but the switching is not a huge step up. Im hoping to have the CCNP but the end of the year if I can force myself to study lol. Luckily we get to work with the higher spec Cisco switches and have invested a huge amount in our Network infrastructure.

[baker556]

CCNA is all about protocols and addressing configuration etc CCNP is full on VLANS/frame relays which i find quite easy tbh.

[Jonny52002]

You should rename this topic Goodbye Uni Hello Unemployment. I think that's what will be facing the majority coming out of Uni in the current climate.

[RyanSaxo]

You should rename this topic Goodbye Uni Hello Unemployment. I think that's what will be facing the majority coming out of Uni in the current climate.

If they've done an average degree at an average uni and got average marks then yeah.

If not, then there are plenty of opportunities that pay really good money and have some impressive training and career opportunities.

Most of my close friends (at least 6 or 7) on my course have secured similarly good roles to start in September.

If you're not a pleb and haven't sat on your arse with mummy and daddy's money funding everything all your life, have a good amount of work experience and you have chosen a good degree at a good uni you should be fine to get a graduate level job.

[Jonny52002]

If they've done an average degree at an average uni and got average marks then yeah.

If not, then there are plenty of opportunities that pay really good money and have some impressive training and career opportunities.



I did a very good degree and got an ok grade at what is seen as an excellent university for the course and after 4 years I've been made redundant twice with very little / no propect of work in the sector. (Talking Construction Sector BTW)

Think even people with good degrees will struggle and have to take on roles that are not what they went to uni for.

[JRC1]

Finished my first year today, time to party hard tonight :drink:

[gretsch-drummer]

Well.....a degree in 'popular music' is as useful as:....well I can't think of anything as pointless as that degree atm.

I'm screwed.

[baker556]

I know someone that has a masters in astro physics hasn't had a job for a year, from Kent university.

1st class with honors masters in astro physics at the university of kent.

One of the hardest and top degrees at a very good university and a masters, still not in a job.

[devilsadvocate]

I know someone that has a masters in astro physics hasn't had a job for a year, from Kent university.

1st class with honors masters in astro physics at the university of kent.

One of the hardest and top degrees at a very good university and a masters, still not in a job.

Age old problem...companies want experience but how can you get experience if they will not give you the opportunity to get it.

When I started as a 1st line support engineer, there were 6 others who started at the same time and three of those had Computer Science type degrees. I got that job because of the interview, the employer told me that.

Its hard to get a job these days, even if you are prepared to start at the bottom (which you usually have to do).

[baker556]

Age old problem...companies want experience but how can you get experience if they will not give you the opportunity to get it.

When I started as a 1st line support engineer, there were 6 others who started at the same time and three of those had Computer Science type degrees. I got that job because of the interview, the employer told me that.

Its hard to get a job these days, even if you are prepared to start at the bottom (which you usually have to do).

Agreed devils you have to start at the bottom can't expect to walk into a job, let me know if there are any jobs going your way pal, just about to finish my degree.

[devilsadvocate]

Agreed devils you have to start at the bottom can't expect to walk into a job, let me know if there are any jobs going your way pal, just about to finish my degree.

My place employ 1st line engineers (16k starting wage) 2-3 times per year but its done with assessment centres etc.

Check out the kent.gov.uk site as they are usually on there :)

[baker556]

My place employ 1st line engineers (16k starting wage) 2-3 times per year but its done with assessment centres etc.

Check out the kent.gov.uk site as they are usually on there :)

Thanks shall take a look.

[haz_pro]

My place employ 1st line engineers (16k starting wage) 2-3 times per year but its done with assessment centres etc.

Check out the kent.gov.uk site as they are usually on there :)

Having to go through an assessment centre for just 16k is madness!

[gretsch-drummer]

Having to go through an assessment centre for just 16k is madness!

"Just"??!!! Hell, I'd go through anything (ok, not anything) for a £16k job

[LeeM]

Finished my first year a few weeks ago, everyone's gone home and I'm bored.

[MuZiZZle]

"Just"??!!! Hell, I'd go through anything (ok, not anything) for a £16k job

lube out, lube back in my special drawer

[MiniGibbo]

isnt 16k minimal wage..?

[devilsadvocate]

isnt 16k minimal wage..?

A bit more than minimum wage..

[MiniGibbo]

What in china..?

[e8_pqck]

What's minimum wage these days?

[Jordysport]

"Just"??!!! Hell, I'd go through anything (ok, not anything) for a £16k job

jesus, i wouldn't get out of bed for anything less than 22k. bring on becoming chartered..60k+ woop woop.

[matt_vtr_15a]

Just finished my final year at University studying Architectural Technology, such a relief!!

[gretsch-drummer]

jesus, i wouldn't get out of bed for anything less than 22k. bring on becoming chartered..60k+ woop woop.

You my friend...must have a comfy bed, a really comfy bed.

[RyanSaxo]

jesus, i wouldn't get out of bed for anything less than 22k. bring on becoming chartered..60k+ woop woop.

agree.

what's the point in going to uni and getting a degree if you're going to start on less than ~22k.

charted ...... ? architect did I read somewhere else?

60k will be a tidy sum. I'll be chuffed if I can finish my career on something like that.

[RyanSaxo]

Well.....a degree in 'popular music' is as useful as:....well I can't think of anything as pointless as that degree atm.

I'm screwed.

what? :panic:

you really must have lost your marbles.

what do you expect to do with that? I'd quit now.

[gretsch-drummer]

what? :panic:

you really must have lost your marbles.

what do you expect to do with that? I'd quit now.

Ha! I've just completed it last week. OH WELL.

Well least I can hit drums and cymbals in fancy patterns and rhythms.

[Toms112]

Well least I can hit drums and cymbals in fancy patterns and rhythms.

Haha so can I but I didn't need 3 years plus alot of debt to prove it!!

Gotta love apprenticeships shit in the beginning but worth it in the end!

[gretsch-drummer]

Haha so can I but I didn't need 3 years plus alot of debt to prove it!!

Aye but supose alot of it is gaining a decent network of other musicians etc. But then again, these friends haven't half cost a lot!

[Toms112]

Aye but supose alot of it is gaining a decent network of other musicians etc. But then again, these friends haven't half cost a lot!

Haha im not knocking you, each to their own and all that.

BUT as they say its not what you know, its who you know!

[haz_pro]

Think the thing your not taking into account though is the experience of University. Yes it is primarily to hopefully put you in good stead for some sort of graduate scheme/ career in academia. But for many people the 3+ years they spend at University is completely life changing and will remain some of the best years of their life. To me that is worth the debt I will be paying off for the next 20+ years easily.

[MiniGibbo]

Think the thing your not taking into account though is the experience of University. Yes it is primarily to hopefully put you in good stead for some sort of graduate scheme/ career in academia. But for many people the 3+ years they spend at University is completely life changing and will remain some of the best years of their life. To me that is worth the debt I will be paying off for the next 20+ years easily.

So becuase you want to get pissed every night and shag as many rotten birds as will let you, we as tax payers have to pay for it.....


Fuck off you bellend youre no better than a skag head living off the state popping out kids every other year..

[0rang3peel]

So becuase you want to get pissed every night and shag as many rotten birds as will let you, we as tax payers have to pay for it.....


Fuck off you bellend youre no better than a skag head living off the state popping out kids every other year..

sorry mate they don't do degrees in brick laying.

if you weren't such a fucking spacko at school you may of had the choice to go to university.

maybe if you went to uni, you wouldn't still live with mummy and daddy ;)

[MiniGibbo]

I got eleven C's then did college, i could of gone to uni...

Dont hate me.

[devilsadvocate]

If nobody went to uni, we would be a very unintelligent country and would be in a worse economic condition than we are now. Some occupations need uni degrees, you cant generalise like that.

[MiniGibbo]

Docters and the such yes,

Art,media and all the other like wise shit that end with a job on the till at maccers can blow me..

[rey]

I got eleven C's then did college, i could of gone to uni...

Dont hate me.

Who could hate such mediocrity..

[Brettles1986]

I got eleven C's then did college, i could of gone to uni...

Dont hate me.

Not Eleven C's! :homme:

[MiniGibbo]

Dosent make me einstien but is good enough to earn me a place...

However i wanted to earn good money, not waste others tax money for years then end up in maccers so i got a job and paid back into the system so lazy cunts cant waste it either on smack or new top man tshirts to wear to "freshers"..

[haz_pro]

So becuase you want to get pissed every night and shag as many rotten birds as will let you, we as tax payers have to pay for it.....


Fuck off you bellend youre no better than a skag head living off the state popping out kids every other year..

Pissed every night?

I only had a drink once a week if that.

University is a lot more then that, you wouldn't understand being the thick closed minded prat you are.

Why on earth are you so happy about getting c's too? That is distinctly average.

Any way please, go ahead and try and troll some more, thick twats like you will never have the abiliy to actually listen and understand other peoples views. :wall:


Dosent make me einstien but is good enough to earn me a place...

However i wanted to earn good money, not waste others tax money for years then end up in maccers so i got a job and paid back into the system so lazy cunts cant waste it either on smack or new top man tshirts to wear to "freshers"..

I said above I wouldn't continue, but thought I would bring up this stupid sweeping generalisation...

Most of the people in the year above me who have just finished there last year have gone onto roles in companies such as accenture, BP, and companies in the big four. Starting off on 30+k, and will pay back way more in taxes then they "stole" during their time at university.

[MiniGibbo]

Your veiw about how you want to waste tax money going on the piss then ending up in maccers...


Or you could fully use your massive brain and stack the top shelf in tesco's.

[haz_pro]

Your veiw about how you want to waste tax money going on the piss then ending up in maccers...


Or you could fully use your massive brain and stack the top shelf in tesco's.

I got eleven C's

http://ivesonselectrical.com/store/images/Sunbeam-Steam-Master-Iron-fb-7531431.jpg

[MiniGibbo]

11 and never used them.. didnt even need them to get into college...

What a waste of my youth.

[Giraffe]

There are some incredibly successful people that on paper, would be classed as "thick" and "distinctly average" if not worse, by some on here apparently... Richard Branson, Alan Sugar etc.

I don't have a degree. I have common sense and ability to learn in abundance though, and that is something you can't get at uni. I have friends with degrees who aren't doing so well. I have a friend with a degree who is doing very well, but got his degree part time whilst working. I have friends who haven't got degrees and are doing very well.

Pointless argument... But I'd say the majority of uni students just go to bum around, end up getting an average grade and subsequently go on to get an average job. I'm agreeing with Gibbo here.

[MiniGibbo]

Hmmmmm, normally youre on the "i love uni" band wagon Dave.. whats up :detective:

[Giraffe]

Hmmmmm, normally youre on the "i love uni" band wagon Dave.. whats up :detective:

I've not been to uni, nor will I ever go to uni... I think it's a load of shite and students grind my gears... Never been on an "I love uni" bandwagon you massive troll.

[haz_pro]

There are some incredibly successful people that on paper, would be classed as "thick" and "distinctly average" if not worse, by some on here apparently... Richard Branson, Alan Sugar etc.

I don't have a degree. I have common sense and ability to learn in abundance though, and that is something you can't get at uni. I have friends with degrees who aren't doing so well. I have a friend with a degree who is doing very well, but got his degree part time whilst working. I have friends who haven't got degrees and are doing very well.

Pointless argument... But I'd say the majority of uni students just go to bum around, end up getting an average grade and subsequently go on to get an average job. I'm agreeing with Gibbo here.

Of course there are people like that, but that isn't the norm by any stretch of the imagination so no point pretending like it is...

Most people at university will have common sense and ability to learn "in abundance" as you say, otherwise you shouldn't be going to University in the first place.

In regards to the bold, that may happen a lot at the crap universities, but I think you will find most students at good Universities are there for a reason, and that is to give themselves the best change of becoming reasonably successful.

[holdawayt]

I'm so glad I went into an apprenticeship rather than uni. Infact i went for 3 months studying sport science then realised i was wasting my time.

[MiniGibbo]

It always makes me laugh when you get uni teachers banging on about how if you fail youll end up as a labourer on a building site..

i was on one site a few years back on a block of flats and the "labourer fork lift driver" for the brickies knocking up muck and lifting pallets of blocks up turnt out to be the boss and owned a string of houses :fcuk:

Or the guy ive been working for lately who started off as a brickie and over the years has made him self a estimated 100million wealth building/buying and selling industrial units.

[Giraffe]

Of course there are people like that, but that isn't the norm by any stretch of the imagination so no point pretending like it is...

Most people at university will have common sense and ability to learn "in abundance" as you say, otherwise you shouldn't be going to University in the first place.

In regards to the bold, that may happen a lot at the crap universities, but I think you will find most students at good Universities are there for a reason, and that is to give themselves the best change of becoming reasonably successful.

Who you trollin'? Serious, I think most students go there cos they just assume it's going to give them a good start in a career, but don't take it seriously. More shit uni's than good ones, so still a minority that you describe. I know of some right thickos who've gone to uni... People who can absorb info and regurgitate it don't always have common sense or aptitude for figuring stuff out for themselves either...

Hell, I bet half of students at uni go there because they still have no direction in life at the end of college. Much like most kids go to college cos they have no direction in life by the age of 16...

[haz_pro]

Not trying to troll at all....

I think the thing that is apparent is that University students can usually see both approaches to having a successful career, both through university, and other mediums such as college, or just working your way up in a company.

This in comparison to most people (looking at this thread) who don't go university, having a chip on their shoulder against university students, just because some aren't there for the right reasons.

Ahh well, I won't leave any sleep over peoples lack of ability to be open minded and understand that everything isn't black and white in regards to progressing a career.

Sweeping generalisation I know.

[Giraffe]

Not trying to troll at all....

I think the thing that is apparent is that University students can usually see both approaches to having a successful career, both through university, and other mediums such as college, or just working your way up in a company.

This in comparison to most people (looking at this thread) who don't go university, having a chip on their shoulder against university students, just because some aren't there for the right reasons.

Ahh well, I won't leave any sleep over peoples lack of ability to be open minded and understand that everything isn't black and white in regards to progressing a career.

Sweeping generalisation I know.

You'll be allowed an opinion when you get out in to the big world and you aren't a student...
trololol

[haz_pro]

I'm in full time work, nice try though. :)

[Giraffe]

I'm in full time work, nice try though. :)

Doing what? You'll be allowed an opinion when you aren't at McDonalds/shelf stacker
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[holdawayt]

There's no chip on my shoulder, I just have tons more respect for people that leave college and seek employment rather than people that do a degree and expect employers to find them.

I work as a design engineer for a HVAC company. The amount of tools that come here for interviews playing the biggun saying they've got a degree and expecting a job is ridiculous. They looked genuinely shocked when we tell them we'd prefer somebody with experience or straight from college into our apprentice scheme. And then when we offer them a factory job they'll turn their nose up.

[haz_pro]

Doing what? You'll be allowed an opinion when you aren't at McDonalds/shelf stacker
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I am a Business Analyst. :A:

There's no chip on my shoulder, I just have tons more respect for people that leave college and seek employment rather than people that do a degree and expect employers to find them.

I work as a design engineer for a HVAC company. The amount of tools that come here for interviews playing the biggun saying they've got a degree and expecting a job is ridiculous. They looked genuinely shocked when we tell them we'd prefer somebody with experience or straight from college into our apprentice scheme. And then when we offer them a factory job they'll turn their nose up.

Getting on a graduate scheme (as most graduates will probably do to make the most of their degree) is extremely hard work, this is utter tripe.

[Giraffe]

I am a Business Analyst. :A:



Getting on a graduate scheme (as most graduates will probably do to make the most of their degree) is extremely hard work, this is utter tripe.

Does that mean you basically just input data on a spreadsheet then? Data entry clerk?
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[Ashleyp]

Who could hate such mediocrity..

FLOL. :y:

[Brettles1986]

I waz a stoodent not soo long ago, nuffin wrong wiv my educashon like.

I agree with the people on here saying that Uni is a way for a lot of "youngsters" (there's the generalisation as the mature students are there for a reason) decided to go as an easy way out if you like. There are some real stupid people in the Uni I recently attended and it was obvious.

With my situation however, I decided to get a job for security and then attend Uni on a part time basis therefore gaining experience and qualifications, so killing two birds with one stone so to speak.

[Ashleyp]

I think the thing that is apparent is that University students can usually see both approaches to having a successful career, both through university, and other mediums such as college, or just working your way up in a company.


pretty damn true.

everyone just seems to be annoyed for no real reason other than their own narrowminded views.

sure, tonnes of students are c-units who think a degree grants them a right of passage. but theres tonnes of people who didn't go to uni are c-units who think they're great because their proffession doesn't require education. - it's all relevant.

[baker556]

Lol'ed at all the uni haters.

Can't believe the amount of naive comments uni is not a walk in the park its very full on hard work constantly, well my degree was anyway.

Also Lol'ed at the tax payers comments, it gets payed back you know..

Without university's this country would not move forward, university's develop and create some big life changing discovery's.

If no one went to uni they would be brick laying with you gibbo which would mean you would be out of a job!

[Giraffe]

pretty damn true.

everyone just seems to be annoyed for no real reason other than their own narrowminded views.

sure, tonnes of students are c-units who think a degree grants them a right of passage. but theres tonnes of people who didn't go to uni are c-units who think they're great because their proffession doesn't require education. - it's all relevant.

When you aren't a student, you will be allowed an opinion. As previously said.
new troll attempt

[Ashleyp]

When you aren't a student, you will be allowed an opinion. As previously said.
new troll attempt

the joys of being bitter eh? ;)

[Giraffe]

the joys of being bitter eh? ;)

FINALLY CAUGHT ONE.

No bitterness, just trolling.

[Ashleyp]

I read your white text, and hoped you'd bite back.

touche, dave... touche.

[Giraffe]

I read your white text, and hoped you'd bite back.

touche, dave... touche.

Liar liar pants on fire

[Ashleyp]

No lies on my part ;) I should probably get back to work.

toodles, chaps.

[Brettles1986]

No lies on my part ;) I should probably get back to work.

toodles, chaps.

Tesco shelf stackers have internet access?
now its my turn

[Ashleyp]

Tesco shelf stackers have internet access?
now its my turn

How else can i message your daughter?

[Brettles1986]

How else can i message your daughter?

My daughters 5 you sicko! Besides they don't have internet access in Infants... I've checked ;)

[Giraffe]

By "work" he means pretending to revise, i.e. practising what he was taught (hopefully) before and during primary school, which would be the art of reading a book...

[Brettles1986]

By "work" he means pretending to revise, i.e. practising what he was taught (hopefully) before and during primary school, which would be the art of reading a book...

And there's many that can't even manage that

[Giraffe]

And there's many that can't even manage that

Don't I know it... Gotta go speak to a woman soon who runs a florists about doing her books cos her husband just died and he used to do them all... she can't read or write... mental really in this day and age

[Brettles1986]

Don't I know it... Gotta go speak to a woman soon who runs a florists about doing her books cos her husband just died and he used to do them all... she can't read or write... mental really in this day and age

My ex's father is like that, there's no excuse for it if you ask me, yeah ok you might have had it hard as a child and school attendance was shit but still if you have kids then you can expect to be able to read to them and help them learn to write at minimum. If I couldn't do it then I would be going to night school for sure.

[Giraffe]

My ex's father is like that, there's no excuse for it if you ask me, yeah ok you might have had it hard as a child and school attendance was shit but still if you have kids then you can expect to be able to read to them and help them learn to write at minimum. If I couldn't do it then I would be going to night school for sure.

Aye, just old people for you though, some are just set in their ways and intimidated. My Nana is going to Ireland in the morning, getting on a ferry in Wales. Was talking to her last night, found out she had no clue where Wales even was... I was shocked.

[devilsadvocate]

Gibbo has a mullet.......there is nothing more that needs to be said.

[haz_pro]

Does that mean you basically just input data on a spreadsheet then? Data entry clerk?
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No, I can't tell if you are joking just to troll, or really think thats what i mean....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_analyst

[holdawayt]

Wikipedia'ing your job is fun.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sales_engineering#section_1

[0rang3peel]

It always makes me laugh when you get uni teachers banging on about how if you fail youll end up as a labourer on a building site..

i was on one site a few years back on a block of flats and the "labourer fork lift driver" for the brickies knocking up muck and lifting pallets of blocks up turnt out to be the boss and owned a string of houses :fcuk:

Or the guy ive been working for lately who started off as a brickie and over the years has made him self a estimated 100million wealth building/buying and selling industrial units.

you're just making things up now, I've never heard a "uni teacher" aka lecturer say that and don't really think you have seeing as you didn't attend...

[haz_pro]

Wikipedia'ing your job is fun.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sales_engineering#section_1

"engineering" LOL.

Sales assistant then, nice.

[MiniGibbo]

Lol'ed at all the uni haters.

Can't believe the amount of naive comments uni is not a walk in the park its very full on hard work constantly, well my degree was anyway.

Also Lol'ed at the tax payers comments, it gets payed back you know..

Without university's this country would not move forward, university's develop and create some big life changing discovery's.

If no one went to uni they would be brick laying with you gibbo which would mean you would be out of a job!

You dont start paying back until you earn £21k, last time i looked no burger flipper or shelf stacker earns over £21k so dont pay shit....

Gibbo has a mullet.......there is nothing more that needs to be said.

It shows i have authority.

you're just making things up now, I've never heard a "uni teacher" aka lecturer say that and don't really think you have seeing as you didn't attend...

Nope, i remember being told it in school then college so guessed uni teachers would try and preach the same shit to keep kids in there seats..

[holdawayt]

"engineering" LOL.

Sales assistant then, nice.

I wasnt poking fun at you or anyone else for that matter, just thought it was fun Wiki'ing my job. And far from it, I design bespoke air conditioning systems for Tesco, primark, m&s and sainsbury's. I suggest you do some research before you try to belittle somebody.

[MiniGibbo]

You do realise "bespoke" air con is what every air con fitter does as its just a fancy word for "which is the easiest way to route it to the unit outside/on the roof"..

not really rocket science ;)

[Brettles1986]

I wasnt poking fun at you or anyone else for that matter, just thought it was fun Wiki'ing my job. And far from it, I design bespoke air conditioning systems for Tesco, primark, m&s and sainsbury's. I suggest you do some research before you try to belittle somebody.

I'm a refuse relocation engineer aka binman

[haz_pro]

Well that was an easy bite. :P

I had read it, but thought I would try any way.

[holdawayt]

Oh dear I got trolled lol :( I'm an applications engineer according to my role but they like to use titles here.

Gibbon - not true. Lots of our competitors will offer "off the shelf" kits that will cost less but be shite quality. The contractor then adapts the site to accommodate it. Our stuff is designed completely from scratch to suit the exact standards blah blah blah. I design posh fridges that do cool stuff :) good interesting job at 21 and lots of travel.

Shouldn't have to explain all that but its not a sales assistant walk in the park lol.

[RyanSaxo]

so much shit has been spouted.

I agree with the idiots that go and study shit degrees at shit uni's. Including most that do stuff like:

media studies, sports, history, languages, pyschology etc etc

note, I said most - there are some that do the above degrees and then go into that field (historian for example).

However, decent degrees from red brick uni's are not easy. As has been said, you'll end up paying back more into the system that is borrowed to fund the degree. So Gibbo can sleep at night.

It's the same with anything, idiots that have a half arsed approach to life, whether they do a degree or not will drain the system. Generalising uni based on these people is like me saying all builders are thick as shit, how hard can it be to make a bloody wall (however, I'm not so naive as some in this thread).

Also, as a final point...

It pisses me off when people stick the word engineer after a job title. You don't have an engineering degree? I bet you couldn't integrate your way out of a wet paper bag. FLOL

[holdawayt]

I have a HNC lol so nope I don't deserve the engineer bit after my job title. Pisses me off too but its the job title I've been given and there's not much I can do about it. If anything I'm a design consultant.

[haz_pro]

To be fair engineering is just the "application of scientific and mathematical principles to practical ends such as the design, manufacture, and operation of efficient and economical structures, machines, processes, and systems."

I could be a "software engineer" if I wanted to, the use of the word engineer there is perfectly acceptable.

[matt_vtr_15a]

My sister is a typical student that I hate, she is studying a bullshit degree that in no way will set her up for a job...

She is out every-night and always has plenty of money from her student loan..

I did an apprenticeship so it winds me up because since turning 16 I have worked 4 days a week and then attended college/uni one day a week...

I have just qualified and I am almost 23 so 7 years of hard graft, fortunately debt free as my company paid for all my education..

Most of the people on my course in general are highly motivated and definately wish to find a job in Architecture...

Unfortunately half of them will be no more than Draughtsmen as they have very limited experience in the industry and there are numerous people with experience and qualifications floating from job to job at the moment

A lot of them seem clueless as what to do now whereas I am currently writing this from my office desk, happy knowing that I have been here 7 years, due a payrise and the fact that my company has invested 7 years of tuition fees into me they don't wish for me to leave anytime soon as they have moulded me into a key member for our company...

I definately feel that full time education is never the best route, part time is a very good way of doing it...

Qualifications mean nothing either imo, my dad has no qualifications to his name but is a very skilled mechanic as his dad had him in the garage from when he was a toddler!

Experience outweighs qualifications always!!

[baker556]

You dont start paying back until you earn £21k, last time i looked no burger flipper or shelf stacker earns over £21k so dont pay shit....

What a tiny percentage of them?

Most will earn double that a few years down the line and be paying a stupid amount of tax.

I don't care you know some bricky whoes a millionare, if he was that big he wouldn't be working along side you. He would be running his company from his desk.

There are alot more companies who have been started by university graduates that your average bricky which involves alot more thought and knowledge. Rather than inheriting some money and buying/selling houses anyone can do that.

@ Matt, experience counts but without the qualification to back it up most of the time you won't get past the interview. Google will only take on people with a degree even if you have to assign something simple like adverts to there website, if a degree is not on your cv it will be in the bin. This is where qualifications count more than experience. At some point everyone will have experience so the people without the qualification will be the ones with the missing key to a particular job.

[Giraffe]

What a tiny percentage of them?

Most will earn double that a few years down the line and be paying a stupid amount of tax.

lol, so naive. Can assure you that the majority of uni graduates wont be earning 42k a few years after coming out of uni. 42k is a big wage.

[haz_pro]

By most presumably he means people doing decent courses. Most grad schemes in my area pay upwards of 30k, so presumably after a few years you will be close-ish to 40k. (Depending on company, most of the schemes I am looking into aim to have you at director level in max 5 years.)

Although got to remember money isn't everything, certainly doesn't bother me.

[baker556]

lol, so naive. Can assure you that the majority of uni graduates wont be earning 42k a few years after coming out of uni. 42k is a big wage.

With a decent degree in a highly demanded subject area working within London i think thats quite easily possible. There are alot of jobs for software engineers starting at 25-30k some being 50-60k.

Heres an example
http://jobview.monster.co.uk/I-T-Development-Team-Leader-Perl-C-Job-Tunbridge-Wells-South-East-Southern-UK-108253047.aspx

I could do any and all of that, but they are not going to take a graduate a few years work experience and i would apply myself.

[MiniGibbo]

What a tiny percentage of them?

Most will earn double that a few years down the line and be paying a stupid amount of tax.

I don't care you know some bricky whoes a millionare, if he was that big he wouldn't be working along side you. He would be running his company from his desk.
There are alot more companies who have been started by university graduates that your average bricky which involves alot more thought and knowledge. Rather than inheriting some money and buying/selling houses anyone can do that.

@ Matt, experience counts but without the qualification to back it up most of the time you won't get past the interview. Google will only take on people with a degree even if you have to assign something simple like adverts to there website, if a degree is not on your cv it will be in the bin. This is where qualifications count more than experience. At some point everyone will have experience so the people without the qualification will be the ones with the missing key to a particular job.

To just go for the bold bit a second..

Hes a multi multi multi millionare

And when did i say he works along side me, ive been working on his industrial units for him..

The guy hasnt had a tool to hand for from what i can only guess given his age and wealth... about thirty years :fcuk:

His son has retired at a young age and sails the world on his yacht :wacko:

[qrty]

There are alot more companies who have been started by university graduates that your average bricky which involves alot more thought and knowledge. Rather than inheriting some money and buying/selling houses anyone can do that.

Lol at this...
Trololololol