phase 2 clio 172

[mavoloso]

saving up for a second car what do you guys think about the clio 172 phase 2

[adamm]

Good cars, nicer place to sit than a saxo and its faster than a vts.

[dondan]

I loved my 172 Cup, wasn't the cheapest car to run but the cost was justified by the pace :).

[devilsadvocate]

I have just bought a 200 and it's a world apart from a VTS.

I was a passenger in a 172 a few years back and it was a decent little car, better than a Saxo anyway.

[MuZiZZle]

NOTHING is faster than a VTS!

[Gandi699]

I'd personally get a 172 cup if I was buying one, better suspension and handling out of the box plus you get scene credits

[leeroybrown]

Trophy

Do not bother with anything else :-)

[DeanAngell1234]

NOTHING is faster than a VTS!

True dat..... 120bhp of pure fury.

[Prickle]

Trophy

Do not bother with anything else :-)

I must say i sat in a ph1 172 in the scrap yard today (everything intact, for now) and i felt soo tacky and cheap. Its all grey and shite imo.

Shame i like the exterior of them..

[jeffchiz]

I must say i sat in a ph1 172 in the scrap yard today (everything intact, for now) and i felt soo tacky and cheap. Its all grey and shite imo.

Shame i like the exterior of them..

must admit the ph1 imo has a shit interior, the ph2's look better, however my mum had a ph2 1.2 extreame little bits like the glovebox lid not sitting right when closed annoyed me lol even my saxo plastics all look in place

a clio sport is something ive always wanted, but i speant more money on the saxo and glad i did, ive had a go against a 197 and pulled on it im not saying a standard vts woudld do that though, i have put about £3k in to the car in the last year so id hope it would! lol couldve bought a clio sport for that lol

but for the price (as they are quite cheap now) you cant beat a clio sport

[Carlvtr88]

I like the look of them. But ive kinda of set my heard on a type R. But TBH, anything that rattles less than a saxo cant be bad lol.

[adamm]

I really don't mind the interior of the ph1 well mine has 182 interior except the dash but I don't mind the dash, I can see why people would hate it though its not the prettiest.

Trophy is the best of the the lot imo but you pay for that or the 172 cup if you want it to be more raw.

Racing blue is by far the best color of the lot.

[Gandi699]

Colour is subjective I prefer the metallics myself - Trophy is great but apart from the excellent sachs suspension its pretty much a normal cupped 182 with optional parts, oh and also the v6 spoiler which means the hatch doesnt open fully.

[adamm]

I always say if you can afford the trophy get the trophy because the extras you get are well worth the extra money not forgetting the recaros as well.

Agree colour is personal preference.

[piperrs]

Ph2's look far better than a PH1! The interior of a PH1 just feels budget.

[Saxotim]

Love my cup, buy one, cheap as chips now. Paid £2300 for mine.

Make sure you get one thats had the belts done recently at a specialist such as BTM, Diamond Motors, Rentech, Birchdown etc.

[Gandi699]

In all honesty though, once you start modifying them the 1*2 range are all very close. Theres video on youtube of a 172 cup more keeping up with a trophy on track

[Ryan]

I must say i sat in a ph1 172 in the scrap yard today (everything intact, for now) and i felt soo tacky and cheap. Its all grey and shite imo.

Shame i like the exterior of them..

Ph1s looks shit anyway.

[Gandi699]

on a set of williams wheels I think they look great:

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n300/E11OOT/MalloryPark.jpg

[Prickle]

Ph1s looks shit anyway.

No nothing about them but i thought id take the chance up and sit in whilst it was still in good nick and it did nothing for me at all. :/

Driving it might change my mind but id hate sitting in it everday. Much prefer my saxos interior and thats saying something lol...

Edit; so it would have to be a ph2 if i was considering one.

[adamm]

Haters be hatin ;)

[Nik_L]

P1's look the most hardcore out of them all.

Scarab Green or Sunflower Yellow for me.

[adamm]

P1's look the most hardcore out of them all.

Scarab Green or Sunflower Yellow for me.

This man speaks sense ;)

What's not to like?

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[Prickle]

The interior.

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[devilsadvocate]

The interior.

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[CitroenSport]

interior does look shit like... gray and a funny navy blue???

[blackie_2k5]

ph1's are ugly like lol..even the v6 cant pull it off lol

[GolfJay]

The interior in my Mk2 Golf is better than that Clio!

They're quick but I really do not like the.

[dondan]

If interiors are important when choosing your car then I'd suggest something rather than a Clio, phase 1 or 2- they are both shit.

The ride and engine make up for it though easily :).

[Whirly]

the trophy be the one to get if you can afford it, i got my ph2 172 cup for £2,300 it was on 63k had all belts done the week i got it.

[hard_corejoeboy]

Loom awesome when lowered especially from behind. Mild tuning can make them real 'supercar' chasers

[Nik_L]

Why do people rave over the trophy so much??

I would rather save a shit load of cash and buy a regular 182 and just fit some fancy seats and a good suspension upgrade and still have some change. Thats if the reason for the above is just for the seats and suspension.

[hard_corejoeboy]

Those dampers are fucking sophisticated like really really good.

Personally though i would just do like you say

[Nik_L]

But they aren't exactly new, probably looking at around 8 years old, so won't be anywhere near as good as what they were. And the rebuild prices are just crazy.

[GolfJay]

Loom awesome when lowered especially from behind. Mild tuning can make them real 'supercar' chasers

Lol Are you kidding?! Supercars chases?!

A "mildly tuned" R34 GTR is a supercar chaser. Not a daft French hatch.


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[hard_corejoeboy]

'supercar' i meant evos and the like

[blackie_2k5]

'supercar' i meant evos and the like

what..a clio?

[hard_corejoeboy]

Pssst easy...most of them are krap on track anyway well the drivers anyway...

These little clios are bloody awesome when tuned a bit a mate has one and its pretty immense!

[devilsadvocate]

Pssst easy...most of them are krap on track anyway well the drivers anyway...

These little clios are bloody awesome when tuned a bit a mate has one and its pretty immense!

I wouldn't base my decision of buying a car on how well it goes round a track though.

[hard_corejoeboy]

True. But when you are young and dont have a family etc its a big part of the appeal


Ifbi didnt have my son id have kept my saxo

[Prickle]

I wouldn't base my decision of buying a car on how well it goes round a track though.

I wouldnt either. Lol

[blackie_2k5]

sorry but even a trophy would need a lot of money to be an evo chaser

even leeroy will admit that and he loves clios lol

two drivers of eqaul talent and the evo would own it cosiderably

only way would even get a sniff would be a really short track with very tight bends where the evo wouldnt really be able to use its assets to their potential

just becasue you see confident drivers on track going past evos and scoobs etc.... doesnt mean a confident evo driver wouldnt show them how to go on on a different day

[leeroybrown]

But they aren't exactly new, probably looking at around 8 years old, so won't be anywhere near as good as what they were. And the rebuild prices are just crazy.

Still is one of the best road units you can get!

Love the trophy haters own on and you will see the difference

[leeroybrown]

Down to the driver at the end Of the day.

[blackie_2k5]

Down to the driver at the end Of the day.

exactly...two of the same ability and the clio would get fucked ;)


sad fact is most drivers of mediocre cars on track can drive them fast and be good drivers


too many ppl try to get big powerful cars and cant drive them for shit as its too fast for their ability

big fish little pond...little fish big pond

[leeroybrown]

Generally find Evos drivers ain't very good ha just look at a Sunday night hahaha

[blackie_2k5]

Generally find Evos drivers ain't very good ha just look at a Sunday night hahaha

we know this..

but it proves the point..theres a reason an evo is alot more popular as a rallye car then a clio

if they were the same price..there would be alot more evo track cars then clios

[leeroybrown]

I have just as much fun if not more and it cost me half the price :-)

[hard_corejoeboy]

By mildy tuned i mean brakes suspension tyres and cage exhaust and remap and induction now that would be quick.

I dont think ive driven a clio 182but im sure they are easy to drive fast than an evo being fwd and that?

[MiniGibbo]

Fitting a cage would make a clio slower you bellend.

[blackie_2k5]

Oh dear

[hard_corejoeboy]

How?????

[MiniGibbo]

What do you think a cage is made of... Cardboard..?

[Jay_]

I have just as much fun if not more and it cost me half the price :-)

I have to agree with Leeroy. The trophy is an awesome motor. My mate Sam works at BTM Coventry so is developing parts in his and it's just incredible.

Custom springs, & cam etc. Super sweet! Love them!

[hard_corejoeboy]

What do you think a cage is made of... Cardboard..?

Ive seen one made from toilet tubes ;)

A proper one linked to suspension would cancel the downside of the weight surely?

Well it does in forza 4 so neeer

[MiniGibbo]

Cages are next to pointless without slicks.

[leeroybrown]

I have to agree with Leeroy. The trophy is an awesome motor. My mate Sam works at BTM Coventry so is developing parts in his and it's just incredible.

Custom springs, & cam etc. Super sweet! Love them!

Arrrr BTM Sam?

If so spoke to him a few times on Cliosport seems sweet as a nut!

[Nik_L]

Still is one of the best road units you can get!

Love the trophy haters own on and you will see the difference

Im not disputing that they aren't better than a regular 182. Both cars will still have tired, worn old suspension though. And from what i gather, the Sachs units need regular-ish rebuilds.

Im saying buy a regular 182, and use the extra cash to buy a decent suspension kit, and i bet it will out-handle a trophy on its circa 8 year old suspension.

[MiniGibbo]

I heard a cup with Gaz golds is better than a throphy anyway.....

[Jay_]

Arrrr BTM Sam?

If so spoke to him a few times on Cliosport seems sweet as a nut!

yeah, top guy, used to race his KTM Xbow :y: :panic:

small world.

[Jay_]

I heard a cup with Gaz golds is better than a throphy anyway.....

yes, but they're not standard. A trophy out of the box is just bang on!

[Nik_L]

yes, but they're not standard. A trophy out of the box is just bang on!

Maybe 7/8 years ago, yes. But not nowadays if the suspension hasn't been rebuilt. Even if it has been rebuilt, you could still buy say the Gaz kit, fit it to a normal 182, and have a better handling car with a shit load of change.

[leeroybrown]

Im not disputing that they aren't better than a regular 182. Both cars will still have tired, worn old suspension though. And from what i gather, the Sachs units need regular-ish rebuilds.

Im saying buy a regular 182, and use the extra cash to buy a decent suspension kit, and i bet it will out-handle a trophy on its circa 8 year old suspension.

Hahaha these youngins lol make me laugh

[leeroybrown]

Maybe 7/8 years ago, yes. But not nowadays if the suspension hasn't been rebuilt. Even if it has been rebuilt, you could still buy say the Gaz kit, fit it to a normal 182, and have a better handling car with a shit load of change.

GAZ your having a foooking laugh

Worst suspension in the whole world

Sachs can last well over 8 years if looked after.

No Gaz kit is going to get anywhere near a Sachs unit pal

[dondan]

Hahaha these youngins lol make me laugh

Sachs mean nothing, what you need lee is a set of eBay coilies and slam it- that will handle better :).

[leeroybrown]

Sachs mean nothing, what you need lee is a set of eBay coilies and slam it- that will handle better :).

LOL I have had expensive suspension on my first clio H&R and they were 1k, only thing I have been in that comes close.

[iVTR]

Yeah that clio that Adam posted - Sexy!

I've always liked them, the 2 litre lumps.

Coming from a clio 1.4 sport I don't know if I could ever go back to renault again.. It was utter shite.

Saxo interior and dash is actually perfect.. looks good, small and does the job. And the steering wheel is nice and small as standard :y:

[Nik_L]

GAZ your having a foooking laugh

Worst suspension in the whole world

Sachs can last well over 8 years if looked after.

No Gaz kit is going to get anywhere near a Sachs unit pal

I have no experience of GAZ suspension, im just going by what Gibbo has said on previous page.

In what way do you mean looked after?? Rebuilt every so often is the only real way to look after suspension unfortunately. Its a wear and tear item which is subjected to harsh use. Only other way to look after it is to not drive the car. Quick search shows that rebuilds are required from as little as 16k.

P.S, remove the blinkers.

[MiniGibbo]

I was rinsing as i know the clio fan bois hate gaz coilovers..

However the gaz golds i have are epic and blow h&r out the water.

[leeroybrown]

I was rinsing as i know the clio fan bois hate gaz coilovers..

However the gaz golds i have are epic and blow h&r out the water.

Its not harsh use its just the seals fail.

As long as you have a hole in your ass the above will never be true ;)

[MiniGibbo]

Well the h&r's where half the price of my golds and ive been in m3's with both...........

it may relate in no way to the gay-o's but still i fly the gaz flag high with pride :A:

[leeroybrown]

Hahah next you'll be saying because it haz Gaz Gold's it can be SLS's and F430's around a track :-)

[MiniGibbo]

No, i got dicked by a 458 race car around donny and also by a 355 race car.


doing a track day at a circuit the day before the "ferrari cup" or what ever the series was called does nothing for your ego.

[adamm]

Gaz golds suck for the clios from what I hear, I'm running bilstein b14's and have to say they are amazing but I bet it would be easier to go faster in a standard trophy on a bumpy back road still.

[MiniGibbo]

Well theres a few trophys local to me and a couple of years back one of them was at castle combe the same day as me and well.....





he got dick in his face.

[adamm]

LOL!! but as was mentioned in the thread already track driving comes massively down to the driver.

[leeroybrown]

According to Top Gear all BMW M3 drivers are dicks :-)

[KamRacing]

Personally I like the PH1. I own one too with the lighter alloy bonnet though its a non runner at the back of the unit now - some electrical issue I cannot be bothered to fix. Might break it for parts or put some interesting engine in at a later date...

Only Ph2 worth getting is the trophy but its a big jump in price for a negligible gain in suspension performance.

They all make a nice hot hatch for everyday use. Ride quality is a step up from the saxo's, overall spec is better, but still has french build quality.

[adamm]

^^ Someone with taste ;)

You not a member on cs anymore Kam? My ph1 needs a load of money spending on it really and I'm loosing interest too :(.

[KamRacing]

The RS Ph1 stood out as it was significantly different bodywork to the run of the mill versions. The ph2 simply is not as extreme a difference.

We stopped our trade account on there as all people were buying were Eibach springs (low margin items). I felt it was a lot of effort to sell other items against more well established traders despite often having better products. Its £200 a year to be a trader so we thought we would spend the money and time on a few other things instead this year and see what happens.
I still do discounts for CS members though :D

We still are working on a number of cool products though like top mounts that are cheaper and better than the AST or compbrake version.

To be honest I loved my Clio when it worked, but I simply do not need it now so there's no interest in fixing it. (it broke same time as my twins were born and I bought an Audi Estate). Its a car thats very easy to drive hard and fast and works well on small roads or open carriageways.

I'm going to be working on a new supersprint exhaust system in the next month or so as well.

Kev

[wrighty89]

Thought I would throw my opinion in. I really like the MK2 Clio's. They look lovely and with the right mods have a great motorsport look. Handle well and built a lot better than most french cars.
The engine though (F4R) is the worse NA 'performance' engine I have ever driven. It feels so lazy and dull, relentless power. Just feels a bit like a diesel engine to me. They can be made awesome as cam'd and throttle bodied ones rev like they should have from the factory. Expensive though.

However, saying that, I have driven 197's and 200's which use the same F4R and drive amazingly well. The updated touches and maps obviously made a big difference.

[hard_corejoeboy]

Whack the twingo engine in it! Bags of character if a lack of performance.
Mine howls like a banshee and all ive done is removed the airbox bung :)

Another out there suggestion..

Skoda vrs any of them

[KamRacing]

the engine has VVT so its very linear. Responds well to a good exhaust and induction with an ecu remap. Add of course the ported inlet manifold!

[hard_corejoeboy]

My twingo has vvt but its got a bit of a flat spot is this the same in clios? Like there will be a brief pause and then you get the proper power after say 4k rpm.

[baker556]

Maybe 7/8 years ago, yes. But not nowadays if the suspension hasn't been rebuilt. Even if it has been rebuilt, you could still buy say the Gaz kit, fit it to a normal 182, and have a better handling car with a shit load of change.

Lol ed hard.

You do know the sach dampers are around a few thousand no way near gaz golds.

the dampers were designed specifically for the Clio with spring rate of the Clio in mind gaz golds are just made to fit the Clio.

[MiniGibbo]

Lol ed hard.

You do know the sach dampers are around a few thousand no way near gaz golds.

the dampers were designed specifically for the Clio with spring rate of the Clio in mind gaz golds are just made to fit the Clio.

So the Sachs where made for the clio

And the Gaz goods are made for the clo





Great argument brains.

[Nik_L]

Lol ed hard.

You do know the sach dampers are around a few thousand no way near gaz golds.

the dampers were designed specifically for the Clio with spring rate of the Clio in mind gaz golds are just made to fit the Clio.

Lol ed harder.

Maybe try reading my comment on other page 1st.