"possable track car"

[MiniGibbo]

Why does every shit example of any car have this attached to the for sale add...

i mean if its hanging or an mot failure its going to be unsafe and need so much more cash thrown at it than a good example.


Do these faggots really think you want to be throwing around a clapped out shed around tracks at warp speed..?

#grindsmygears.

[jayline]

i second this as when i was looking for a track car i'd read the advert and find it had either a massive list of failure's from the mot or has lots of rust! i would be ok if it had a few little things but it tends to be big problems!!!! i just think good luck with that TWAT!!!

on another note hows the engine stuff going found a bottom end yet?

[smiith]

Because little chavy fags will think "OMG ITS SO CHEAP! I CAN BUY IT AND IT BE A TRACK CAR INIT"

Then it never becomes a track car anyway, because people think you can get a bucket seat and a cage for a tenner these days

[jayline]

Because little chavy fags will think "OMG ITS SO CHEAP! I CAN BUY IT AND IT BE A TRACK CAR INIT"

Then it never becomes a track car anyway, because people think you can get a bucket seat and a cage for a tenner these days

soooo true!!!

[MiniGibbo]

i accept "rust is lighter" but christ if the seals are shot the cars going to snap in half around the first set of bends :homme:

[smiith]

Better off saying "possible grass tracker"

See what i did there Gibbo? Spelt possible right ;)

[wadoryu]

Only reason I bought my saxo was to make it a track car, only needs a little bit more love then it's mint.

[jayline]

i accept "rust is lighter" but christ if the seals are shot the cars going to snap in half around the first set of bends :homme:

i remember seeing one that the bloke said ive added camber to the back wheels to help when on the track! i have never LOL'ed so much as he was trying to play off that it was meant to have camber on the rear! also i had rust all around it but it was in small bit like the bottom of the doors and edges of the boot and bonnet!

[MiniGibbo]

Only reason I bought my saxo was to make it a track car, only needs a little bit more love then it's mint.

£200 car thats "mint" :homme:

[MiniGibbo]

i remember seeing one that the bloke said ive added camber to the back wheels to help when on the track! i have never LOL'ed so much as he was trying to play off that it was meant to have camber on the rear! also i had rust all around it but it was in small bit like the bottom of the doors and edges of the boot and bonnet!

Never saw that but im guessing its a saxo... :P

[jayline]

Never saw that but im guessing its a saxo... :P

it was indeed, the ream beam was knackered but he tried to say it was meant to be like it for "track use"

[wadoryu]

£200 car thats "mint" :homme:

:O the car cost me £360 spent around about 600 on it at the moment.

[e8_pqck]

Mine's a shed, built for track but no rust on it, plenty of dings and dents though.

No point having a mint track car otherwise you'll be scared to crash it - if i crash mine it'll be few hundred quid for a new shell.

[rushy_23]

And I thought my mother complained a lot.

[stupotvtr]

Suppose you could look at a track car in 2 different ways.

Cheap fun car with interior stripped out that is roadworthy but doesn't look the best

Or

Cheap shell with £k's spent on everything else.

Both are track cars just in different ways.

[Jazz]

I'm going to buy a car.

Lowered on B8's and rip out the back seats. Track-tastic.

[blackie_2k5]

Why does every shit example of any car have this attached to the for sale add...

i mean if its hanging or an mot failure its going to be unsafe and need so much more cash thrown at it than a good example.


Do these faggots really think you want to be throwing around a clapped out shed around tracks at warp speed..?

#grindsmygears.

just lost a little respect for you saying/doing that,

every cunt doing that grinds my gears

.....southerners eh... :zainy:

[blackie_2k5]

I'm going to buy a car.

Lowered on B8's and rip out the back seats. Track-tastic.

dont forget the lower brace..may crash without it..certainly would handle right :homme:

[jones91]

it was indeed, the ream beam was knackered but he tried to say it was meant to be like it for "track use"
If he's selling a fucked rear beam like that, then I'm selling my bald road tyres as full racing slicks ;)

[jayline]

If he's selling a fucked rear beam like that, then I'm selling my bald road tyres as full racing slicks ;)

haha do it matey, some little chav might pay top dollar for "racing slicks" ;)

[jones91]

haha do it matey, some little chav might pay top dollar for "racing slicks" ;)
Wanna buy a set of "full racing slicks" at all mate?? They don't handle well, they may blow at any moment and I sure wouldn't use them round a track for safety reasons... but they really do look the part 100%, and both of them will be yours for the fantastic price of £100

The perfect modification upgrade after your recent engine change

So how's about it?? ;)

[Giraffe]

Number sign grinds your gears?

[Jazz]

dont forget the lower brace..may crash without it..certainly would handle right :homme:

Arghhh can't forget the brace! :P

[blackie_2k5]

i thought you knew cars as well jazz :(

heh heh heh heh heh

[MiniGibbo]

A few dents and flat paint isn't an mot fail....


Mot failures being sold as "perfect for track" is retarded.......

[blackie_2k5]

tbf though gibbo

alot of track cars would fail an mot on safety..discounting anything modded eg cage..airbags etc

most dont give a fuck

[Giraffe]

I have a 318iS as you know, needs a new clutch, MOT til October, no tax, giving it away for £450, perfect track car potential!

[MiniGibbo]

Airbags and a cage don't make a car dangerous... Having no sills left or the battery dragging on the floor is dangerous.

[blackie_2k5]

Airbags and a cage don't make a car dangerous... Having no sills left or the battery dragging on the floor is dangerous.

i agree lol...but thats why i meant discount them..

i meant most track cars would fail on rot or ball joints and stuff like that if they had to see a proper test

dave...pics?

[jayline]

Wanna buy a set of "full racing slicks" at all mate?? They don't handle well, they may blow at any moment and I sure wouldn't use them round a track for safety reasons... but they really do look the part 100%, and both of them will be yours for the fantastic price of £100

The perfect modification upgrade after your recent engine change

So how's about it?? ;)

if they are as good as you say ill swap you a ps3 and an iphone which is all stolen, how bout that for a deal?

[e8_pqck]

I have never seen any of the cars you've described - any links?

My AX was originally a cat D, then got made into a track car.

[MiniGibbo]

You wouldn't have worn ball joints or structural rust on a track car unless you licked windows..

[jones91]

if they are as good as you say ill swap you a ps3 and an iphone which is all stolen, how bout that for a deal?
Fantastic deal mate!!! For that deal il even throw in a set of shocks with no gas in for that extra hard, firm track suspension feel

[blackie_2k5]

You wouldn't have worn ball joints or structural rust on a track car unless you licked windows..

youd be surprised what ive seen gibbo

ppl dont often realise as its a track hack

[MiniGibbo]

Yeah i had a look at some of the shit out on track at FCS... Christ..

[blackie_2k5]

most ppl see mot failure as an ideal track car :n:

till it ruins someone elses car..then they realise

[Scott]

Track car has been ruined. FFS most take out the parcel shelf and the back seats and consider it a stripped track car.

[MiniGibbo]

Don't forget the standard issue "trs tow strap" and " tow here" sticker..

[blackie_2k5]

Track car has been ruined. FFS most take out the parcel shelf and the back seats and consider it a stripped track car.

nahh..ppl still now a proper track car when they seen one

most on here wont though lol

when i eventually decide to move on...ill put my kit in an s1 106 or an ax i think

nothing but the cage and the engine :D

[titchster]

i meant most track cars would fail on rot or ball joints and stuff like that if they had to see a proper test

Most track cars are in better condition mechanically than a lot of cars on the road. Worn ball joints etc mean the car's not going to handle as well, and, well... isn't that kinda the idea of a track car?

[blackie_2k5]

Most track cars are in better condition mechanically than a lot of cars on the road. Worn ball joints etc mean the car's not going to handle as well, and, well... isn't that kinda the idea of a track car?

i know youd like to believe that

but most track cars arent asw owned on a forum..theyre scrappers ragged to within and inch of their life then weighed when they go wrong

proper spent out on cars..will generally be maintained

the ball joint bit was just an example of what i meant by test fail when gibbo took the airbags bit wrong lol :homme:

i doubt many cars would last long with a dodgey ball joint on track..stuff like rubbers and gaitors etc etc..basic stuff a car would fail on

alot of track cars will run like that

[greyjasper51]

Another thing is when a car is described as having race items... Like full race suspension... So what torsions bars are they... Theyll be standard ones then lol, theyve just put the cheapest lowering dampers advertised on ebay as race and now its a race car... The fact that the pads are no longer visible, (weight loss) and a buckled wheel thats all good, and taking into consideration things like air bags and emissions and possibly tyre choice a proper race car will piss an MOT because if it doesnt feel right its all new stuff, look at touring cars for instance, there not MOT failures or a second hand damper from tyrones civic down the road that was written off...

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[greyjasper51]

i know youd like to believe that

but most track cars arent asw owned on a forum..theyre scrappers ragged to within and inch of their life then weighed when they go wrong

proper spent out on cars..will generally be maintained

the ball joint bit was just an example of what i meant by test fail when gibbo took the airbags bit wrong lol :homme:

i doubt many cars would last long with a dodgey ball joint on track..stuff like rubbers and gaitors etc etc..basic stuff a car would fail on

alot of track cars will run like that

I see what your saying and your basing that on "track" or "race cars on here, yes i know im building one and possibly leaving myself open to it here but its had possibly in excess of 8-900quid so far and the seat and bolted in yet! For a track hack or play toy, your most possibly correct but when people have a daily drive as a "race" car thats not trailered to a track so when your pushing and spit it off and bent a panel you can still get home, and tbh most race cars have more dent, scratches, scrapes than most road cars because there driven within inches of each other...


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[titchster]

i know youd like to believe that

but most track cars arent asw owned on a forum..theyre scrappers ragged to within and inch of their life then weighed when they go wrong


In all the track days i've done over the years, the really tidy cars usually massively outweigh scrappers. Most cars at track days aren't forum whored, no, but they still get lots of money poured into them, most of the people who drive them are middle aged blokes IME, who've had them for years, not some kid who's spent £500 buying a car for that track day, with intentions of not giving a shit if it breaks.

[MiniGibbo]

Full track days yes, the likes of "trax, track time" you get a higher percentage of said shitters....

It's false econamy buying a shitter example as you'll need to replace everything that's shagged very quickly.

[Prickle]

If i put bonnet raisers on can i class it as a track car?

[Dom]

I mean this in a good way, completely agree with most of your posts Gibbo, apart from the last one.

Me and 2 friends are attempting to build a 106, which is a complete shitter/death trap just for track use. Complete budget build, planning on a 16v engine into it, and just use it on track, its completely fucked, no maintenance, but its cheap fun for 3 lads.

Not all track cars need to have ££££'s spent on them to be safe/reliable/amazing handling etc etc

[MiniGibbo]

If the car has worn suspension, bushes and links itll drive like shit... You'll find out on your first trackday if you make It there..

[blackie_2k5]

I mean this in a good way, completely agree with most of your posts Gibbo, apart from the last one.

Me and 2 friends are attempting to build a 106, which is a complete shitter/death trap just for track use. Complete budget build, planning on a 16v engine into it, and just use it on track, its completely fucked, no maintenance, but its cheap fun for 3 lads.

Not all track cars need to have ££££'s spent on them to be safe/reliable/amazing handling etc etc

most dont mate

it just depends on the track you frequent..

some are world known good tracks..they draw in lots of top ends cars...some are york or teeside autodrome lol..see the scrappers coming hahaahahhaah



gibbo and tichy i know what your saying..but the above is prime example(not dom..the cars lol)..and im not stating massively unsafe btw..i just said wouldnt pass a proper mot...as previous post states..the ball joint was a bad example lol

[titchster]

The above example is also in the minority.

Trust me, after doing track days at various places across the country, it's rare to see something that's not maintained to a high standard.

What's the point in taking a car on track if it's not going to handle well? I'm sorry, but to take a car on track, that won't handle as well as it could is just shit.

[blackie_2k5]

but it happens alot

[Dom]

Just for the fun and thrill of bricking it around every corner, that's my honest answer. I'm a thrill seeker pretty much, I wouldn't stick £10k onto a 106 and put it on track at the risk of crashing, where as I wouldn't mind if I spanked a £100 MOT failure car on a track.

I'm not mad about performance/handling, just the fun of doing such an activity.

[greyjasper51]

Nope but if i put 10k into mine and in your 100 quid shitbox wrote my car off youd be tied up a tree somewhere using barbed wire from inside your japs eye....

If its safe (usually clasified as MOT worthy) then its no problem to enter the track, if its gonna fall apart then no it shouldnt be allowed anywhere until its fixed

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[titchster]

But if all the suspension components are in decent condition, then you'll be able to go faster, and it'll not exactly cost a groundbreaking amount. The whole idea of people getting worried about pranging a car on track bemuses me. In the 4 years of doing them, i've crashed once, on a track that's known for not having any run off. It was on my first one, and all it did was break the bumper.

but it happens alot

It really doesn't.

[Dom]

Nope but if i put 10k into mine and in your 100 quid shitbox wrote my car off youd be tied up a tree somewhere using barbed wire from inside your japs eye....

If its safe (usually clasified as MOT worthy) then its no problem to enter the track, if its gonna fall apart then no it shouldnt be allowed anywhere until its fixed

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Should really stay at home and protect your car then son.

No decent track car is MOT worthy, i.e. Emissions.

The car in question that is being built is going to be done with a bunch of friends who are up for a bit of fun, we're not mechanics. If I took it for a MOT at Peugeot, it would fail, but the average KwikFit would pass it probably. I'm not overly confident on the car, first time I saw it the Slam Panel was cable tied on haha.. Things have changed since then though.

[blackie_2k5]

But if all the suspension components are in decent condition, then you'll be able to go faster, and it'll not exactly cost a groundbreaking amount. The whole idea of people getting worried about pranging a car on track bemuses me. In the 4 years of doing them, i've crashed once, on a track that's known for not having any run off. It was on my first one, and all it did was break the bumper.



It really doesn't.

your reading into what i said as death traps mate..it not what i meant..it was a bad expample

[greyjasper51]

Have you bumped your head?! No a track car wont pass emissons because lambda is set to 0.8 - 0.88 rather than 1 so it will fail on that, like we said ealier divoid of emissions and abs and airbags.... It will pass and you admit your not competant on cars and i appriciate everyone has to learn and start somewhere, but on a track car that will be pushed to the limit... Really... Ive seen it all before in karting, blokes turn up and want to have a blat and enjoy themselves, fair enough each to their own, but generally after a wheel falling off and generally being unsafe then there thrown off by just after lunch...

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[Dom]

Have you bumped your head?! No a track car wont pass emissons because lambda is set to 0.8 - 0.88 rather than 1 so it will fail on that, like we said ealier divoid of emissions and abs and airbags.... It will pass and you admit your not competant on cars and i appriciate everyone has to learn and start somewhere, but on a track car that will be pushed to the limit... Really... Ive seen it all before in karting, blokes turn up and want to have a blat and enjoy themselves, fair enough each to their own, but generally after a wheel falling off and generally being unsafe then there thrown off by just after lunch...

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Nope, I'm just not a mechanic, yet I can build and rebuild a 106 quite easily. Have done for years.

I would reply with more info, but the Mrs is outside waiting for me, so toodles x

[Gandi699]

I dont think a car car needs to be necessarily in great nick - body work wise and so on that is but aslong a its solid and not falling about structurally. I mean I've seen a lad on a metro gti forum with a track that basically had rust for the 4 subframe mounting points up front and it got thrashed. However that just goes to show some people dont give a shit. Refresh of the suspension, tyres and drivetrain is a worthwhile though, I dont care if the its dinged dented or a bit scabby undernearth

[JamesR]

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b112/GrahamVFR/Fiesta/fiesta2.jpg

This bad boy with:

> Second hand / filthy K&N air filter off ebay for £15
> Take the back seats out
> Fit a tow strap

Perfect track car, rag it round at the spead of light, sure you'll be fine.

[Ryanoo]

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b112/GrahamVFR/Fiesta/fiesta2.jpg

This bad boy with:

> Second hand / filthy K&N air filter off ebay for £15
> Take the back seats out
> Fit a tow strap

Perfect track car, rag it round at the spead of light, sure you'll be fine.

I didn't expect that.. hilarious lool

[Nates-VTR]

*"Possible track car."
Just saying.

[e8_pqck]

The above example is also in the minority.

Trust me, after doing track days at various places across the country, it's rare to see something that's not maintained to a high standard.

What's the point in taking a car on track if it's not going to handle well? I'm sorry, but to take a car on track, that won't handle as well as it could is just shit.

Go to knock hill... Because Tams was a real eye catcher in its day

[greyjasper51]

The whole track car thing has been lost by chavs that say there car is lightweight because of no back seats... But a huge stereo system doesnt weigh anything... And a back box that adds 5hp...

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[titchster]

Go to knock hill... Because Tams was a real eye catcher in its day

Was Tam's car not in great condition mechanically? Going from how much death he gave it, i'd say it certainly looked to be.

Which is my point, most cars on track are in great condition mechanically, regardless of cosmetics.

[blackie_2k5]

thats the thing though mate..they arent

as i posted...if you put them through a proper MOT...disregarding track mods..a fair amount of them would fail

my car has 90% new parts replaced in the last 2 years..there really isnt much that hasnt been replaced with new(mostly) or good second hand(the turbo kit) in the last 18 months or so..shell and glass left hahaahah

but i know it would fail a test..as although its mechanically sound..ive recently split both ball joint rubbers.. also needs a track rod end as the rubber has split

all on the list for next few months..but it would still fail a test

[DeanAngell1234]

Personally aslong as a car stops and steers fine its ok for the track, if people are worried about smashing up their 10k track 106s then don't drive so close to the nutters in the £100 shitters

[RustySkull]

Ahaaaa let's be honest if it's a track car it'll be crashed anyway :P

[e8_pqck]

Was Tam's car not in great condition mechanically? Going from how much death he gave it, i'd say it certainly looked to be.

Which is my point, most cars on track are in great condition mechanically, regardless of cosmetics.

My shell was bought off Tam as a Cat D, He could have advertised that as "possible track car" and he would have been right. Was it mechanically sound and passed an MOT? No - it was Cat D.

Tam had to stop using his because the shell was ripping itself to pieces and i think he was fed up of welding it back up - does that sound like a mechanically sound car?

Awesome car though - he built it to do a job and do it well and it's still one of the most impressive track cars i've seen - not these shiny concourse spec track cars, but a proper one, used and abused like it should be.

Even ran odd wheels iirc!

[iVTR]

#thisisnottwitteryoucunt

[RustySkull]

Caallmm doowwnnnn :)

[AlexB]

my vtr isnt the best thing but its my toy/track car
looking at giving up on the mot and tax side of things and getting a trailer for it

it cost me 500 quid ive lobbed it together with spare parts and bargains but its perfectly fine for a trackday or 2 and has done me proud at mallory park and on the odd lane blast

it will pass and mot and it has its even quite tidy looking but its raped within an inch of its life every time its driven
and then after a good check

thats my issue
people who abuse there car and never check anything

case in point a few years back on another forum a guy had a bogeye scooby did loads to it must of spent 25k+ took it on track and his rear wheels were catching his flexi lines and he lost all brakes when they wore through

i think personally the possible track car thing came from cars that needed a small amount of tlc like bushes or something sell it cheap get some bushes and put in the time itll be worthy of a day or 2 but its got carried away

i would say though if i was building a proper race car (say like beaniemoo currently) it wouldnt matter how good the base is tbh
if it requires a bit more welding to save 4-500 quid i wouldnt bat an eyelid

willsys ax gt500 is a VERY good example of that its a shame itll never be finished by him

[MiniGibbo]

That backs my theory though.. If you buy a cheap car then you're on a budget so in turn the money you spend bringing it back up to just oem spec could of been spent on better add on's like more expensive coilovers or bigger better brakes etc.

[AlexB]

not really if you pay so little and the welding is your own work its only materials costs

say a 300 quid saving on the initial car 100 quid in sheet and welding wire theres 200 quid to go on bigger brakes you wouldnt of had if you bought a car for 300 more that didnt need welding

it comes down to how you want to go about it
if you want a car to take straight to a trackday the next day yes spend more
if you want a project then why not start with a shitter if you can do it yourself

[e8_pqck]

Willsys AX was never a good track car - far to clean and spotless.

You'd be scared to crash a car that you've laboured over, particulalry one with as high as finsih as that had.

If i trash mine it'll be £250 for a new shell, maybe a bit of weldig on the lower arms etc. but otherwise it'll be a shed.

[AlexB]

willsy is ocd but i was showing you can make a nail useable
that was was utterly fucked but look how the shell turned out

yes never got finished as per most builds these days it seems but all i was highlighting was the fact he turned a nail into a good one

i keep my track toy clean and tidy aswell and look at cars like jpsaxos track toy
there is no shame in having a little pride

[MiniGibbo]

Why cant you keep a car you use on track looking nice..?

i spend more time cleaning mine than on track but still drive it to 100% of my capabilities....

[AlexB]

some people have the opinion "its probably gunna get bent why clean it"

i clean mine quite a bit
and ive bent and straightened it lol it still looks tidier than some "show cars" on here from the ones ive seen *awaits slating by people with show cars its only a couple ive seen im referring too*

[KamRacing]

My shell was bought off Tam as a Cat D, He could have advertised that as "possible track car" and he would have been right. Was it mechanically sound and passed an MOT? No - it was Cat D.

Tam had to stop using his because the shell was ripping itself to pieces and i think he was fed up of welding it back up - does that sound like a mechanically sound car?

Awesome car though - he built it to do a job and do it well and it's still one of the most impressive track cars i've seen - not these shiny concourse spec track cars, but a proper one, used and abused like it should be.

Even ran odd wheels iirc!

sounds to me like it simply needed a proper rollcage :D

Some people think that the way to do trackdays is to buy a shit car, treat it like shit and then replace it when they inevitably stick it upside down into the tyre wall. Those people don't get what trackdays are all about and should do banger racing instead. Then they can call themselves a race driver...

Personally i've never worried about hitting another car on a trackday. The situation simply should never arise. Both drivers should be aware of their fellow drivers on the circuit and give them space to pass or be passed. Its not a race and cars really should be driven fast but not out of control.

I've driven standard cars on track and its been fun, but its not for me. I'd rather build a dedicated car with the capabilities to go very fast but safe and suited to its environment. Yes you end up spending more than the car cost to buy but thats no bad thing when you come away with a car that far exceeds its original potential.

Look at Waynes car for example. Thats going to be used hard but its stunning. There are many other good examples of people putting time and effort into something they can be proud of and is fast when out on the circuit.

[Prickle]

some people have the opinion "its probably gunna get bent why clean it"

i clean mine quite a bit
and ive bent and straightened it lol it still looks tidier than some "show cars" on here from the ones ive seen *awaits slating by people with show cars its only a couple ive seen im referring too*

Heh heh

Indeed...

[CEdwards]

#SaxpNotTwitter

[e8_pqck]

sounds to me like it simply needed a proper rollcage :D

Some people think that the way to do trackdays is to buy a shit car, treat it like shit and then replace it when they inevitably stick it upside down into the tyre wall. Those people don't get what trackdays are all about and should do banger racing instead. Then they can call themselves a race driver...

Personally i've never worried about hitting another car on a trackday. The situation simply should never arise. Both drivers should be aware of their fellow drivers on the circuit and give them space to pass or be passed. Its not a race and cars really should be driven fast but not out of control.

I've driven standard cars on track and its been fun, but its not for me. I'd rather build a dedicated car with the capabilities to go very fast but safe and suited to its environment. Yes you end up spending more than the car cost to buy but thats no bad thing when you come away with a car that far exceeds its original potential.

Look at Waynes car for example. Thats going to be used hard but its stunning. There are many other good examples of people putting time and effort into something they can be proud of and is fast when out on the circuit.
money spent on carbon roofs and shiny paint should be second to brakes and good tyres, the shell means nothing IMO, should just be solid and caged.

[AlexB]

Heh heh

Indeed...

not saying all i mean there are some great examples but ive also seen some where they look ace in pics then in real life the paintjob is so low quality its ruining the car
im not not slating anyones car directly and derailing the thread but a good polish on the 10 year old french paint it looks better than a bad respray


e8 what if a car has all the brakes suspension power ect to be fast
saving weight is as good as any to go faster carbon is expensive yes but its a very good way to shed that extra and go faster