Its starting to take the F***ing piss!! - Fuel prices

[W103_A5H]

Fuel prices are on the rise again!!! :panic:

Just been watching the news and they have said by next year prices could be £1.50 a litre!

Prices are allready stupidly high and if they go any higher I may have to quit my job and get a closer one or change my car, because I refuse to pay these forever stupidly incresing prices. It will just drain more of my money! I already put in £60-70 a week in my car as I commute 70 miles a day, and thats more than Id like to put in but I like my car and I don't want to be forced to get rid for something shitty because of the cuntish government wanting more of my money!

It doesn't help that car tax seems to go up every bloody year aswell!

Sorry for the swearing but I think it is acceptable in a time like this! :A:

This seriously can't keep happening can it? Soon they will put so many people off the roads due to the prices of fuel and in the long run they will end up losing money because of it.

Maybe we should all start robbing fuel in protest untill the prices stop rising. Who's with me? :P Yeh, like any of us would have the balls to do it!


Whats your opnion on the fuel prices, will it effect you/your job?


Discuss!

[Cam]

Yes, it will and there is nothing you can do unless you get a bus pass or ride a bike.
I do 220 odd miles a week in my car to work and back maybe a bit more if i'm out and about costs me £40 to do that, it does make me cringe though when you put £10 in and its like 6L lol.

[jones91]

Fuel prices completely take the piss nowadays, it doesn't affect my job as I only live a mile away from work, but they will never come down as the government know there's fuck all we can do about it

[Jay_T87]

All down to the smoking ban this. The government stopped getting all the tax from that because so many people quit smoking and these rapists needed to find another way of coaxing the money from our pockets.

[Viper]

I do 250 miles a week going to and from work.

I don't pay attention to fuel prices. I need petrol so I buy it..

[devilsadvocate]

I walk to work and when I need my car for work, they reimburse me 45p per mile which does cover the price plus business use on insurance, extra wear and tear on tyres etc and extra mileage on the car but only just these days.

I think more and more people will be getting diesels soon.

[Manu]

I am thinking of getting a diesel now.

but they will never come down as the government know there's fuck all we can do about it


Yeah there is. Blockade main roads and motorways and bring the country to a grinding halt. After 2 or 3 days they will listen. But in the UK people are moaning pussies so it won't happen.



All down to the smoking ban this. The government stopped getting all the tax from that because so many people quit smoking and these rapists needed to find another way of coaxing the money from our pockets.

Nonsense, the smoking ban did not stop smokers. As a matter of fact the extortionate tobacco prices lead to more contraband and every smoker I know around me gets their supply by going to Belgium and buy a few months worth of smoke at a time.

[welshpug]

Starting? Its been daft for ten years.


People need to stop commuting silly distances for work for a start.

[Ross]

Starting? Its been daft for ten years.


People need to stop commuting silly distances for work for a start.
So what do you suggest? Move the work closer to home or move closer to work?

And how would that be done exactly?

[DreamEater]

Starting? Its been daft for ten years.


People need to stop commuting silly distances for work for a start.

I work 40 miles from home, where I live is around £400 a month cheaper than London where I work. Petrol is only £200p/m, plus I get to live in the countryside.

Why should I stop commuting?

[DaDangerMan]

i thought this was down to all these new cars getting better mpg so less fuel needed so to combat the loss they increase the cost. so people with older cars are going to be screwed. uk is fooked

[Ross]

I work 40 miles from home, where I live is around £400 a month cheaper than London where I work. Petrol is only £200p/m, plus I get to live in the countryside.

Why should I stop commuting?

I stand by this. I just sold a £210k house:
3 bed terraced in a shitty part of Welwyn Garden City, Herts:
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/5980/holwell.jpg

And paid £270k for this:
4 bed detached, in a village, with very large garden, separate (huge) garage:
http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/9365/90d4a74b525e638e5a2bbe0.jpg

How? Moved 35 miles further away.

Can I cope with the commute? Yes thanks. Is the fuel painful. Yes, of course. But not sure your argument that I should not commute is valid.

Quality of life is more important.

[m4tt274]

tbf, its always been about the same price relative to the value of the pound.
inflation takes its toll on everything and some things do go up out of sink, for example, wages often dont keep up, fuel is on the money and houses sore way out of control.

people complain, but in truth, its always been the same price...

[Jay_T87]

I am thinking of getting a diesel now.




Yeah there is. Blockade main roads and motorways and bring the country to a grinding halt. After 2 or 3 days they will listen. But in the UK people are moaning pussies so it won't happen.





Nonsense, the smoking ban did not stop smokers. As a matter of fact the extortionate tobacco prices lead to more contraband and every smoker I know around me gets their supply by going to Belgium and buy a few months worth of smoke at a time.

Ok, yeah maybe your right there. but even still, its still means our government is losing out on the tax of tobacco products and possibly contributing to the hike in fuel prices.

[Mr_P]

People need to stop commuting silly distances for work for a start.

Possibly one of the dullest comments I've ever heard. I'm a contractor, one minute I can be 2 miles from home, the next, a 100 mile round trip. Any more than that and I'll be supplied a van and/or lodge.

And sadly I have to admit, I just purchased a DERV. 700+ miles to a tank that costs less than £70 to fill up. £20 a year to tax. Currently averaging 69mpg according to trip.

[tokyodrifte]

Imagine, if everyone just went to the petrol station, filled up, and drove off all over the country haha!

[Ross]

tbf, its always been about the same price relative to the value of the pound.
inflation takes its toll on everything and some things do go up out of sink, for example, wages often dont keep up, fuel is on the money and houses sore way out of control.

people complain, but in truth, its always been the same price...

Not exactly. 1980 for example. Bread was 35p a loaf or thereabouts. Now it's £1 or thereabouts. so a 2.5x increase. In 1980 fuel was 28p a litre. Now it's 145p a litre. 5x increase.

[greyjasper51]

145!! Fuck that for a game of toy soldiers!! Here Its 138 derv and 134 pertrol 138-9 super chumbo

[Carl-h]

I don't take too much notice of how much fuel I put in my car. I like to get at least 10 days out of a full tank and usually 330-350 miles. If I look at the prI've I'll get pissed off. In my clio I ended up driving so stupidly economically (was mega skint at the time) that every single drive was a chore full of calculations as to which will save more fuel, shut off now or maintain speed because I know the traffic light sequence and is it worth keeping my engine runnin here and stuff like that lol. In the saxo I just drive it how I like now.

End of the day, I need a car for work so I need to buy fuel. I've figured out that for me to change to a car that does 55-60mpg would make me worse off for the next few years, so why bother? Once my insurance drops I'm just gonna take advantage of all these low mpg cara selling for pennies as all the diesels and Eco boxes sell for double hahaha.

[Ross]

145!! Fuck that for a game of toy soldiers!! Here Its 138 derv and 134 pertrol 138-9 super chumbo

Wait 3 months and it will be 145 for derv. 3 months after that it'll be that for unleaded.

I drove past a motorway services yesterday (Toddington) and clocked a sign for regular unleaded for 151.9

Even in some towns:
http://www.expressandstar.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/WD4207697@HILTON-TS-27.jpg

[m4tt274]

haha bread is not a legitimate inflation meter! but good comparison!
My latest VTR has been doing 450miles on an average tank, thats near 50mpg, all my other have done like 320 so im not suffering that much with fuel. I have a VTS HDi C4 that only does 42mpg!

[greyjasper51]

Remember when it was really high? Think its hampton park further up the m1 was 1.74 for derv... Tbh only really look at that because go everywhere in the polo...

[Ash1711]

Everyone just needs to refuse to buy petrol until we get the price we want...

They'll soon lower the prices...

Obviously its harder to put into practice but it will work - supply and demand is what drives prices.

[Ross]

haha bread is not a legitimate inflation meter! but good comparison!

I disagree. As do most educated economists. ;)

[greyjasper51]

I disagree. As do most educated economists.

But saying that you could count condoms as an inflation item... Most people buy them on a regular basis...

[Ross]

But saying that you could count condoms as an inflation item... Most people buy them on a regular basis...

Really? I've not bought a condom for 10+ years :p

Bread is frequently used as a measure of inflation by Joe Public and economists alike.

Have a gander here for example. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6240619.stm

[greyjasper51]

But saying that you could count condoms as an inflation item... Most people buy them on a regular basis...

I did say most... And yeah things like.bread, milk, fuel, common food items (fast food not counted) blah blah blah... Do we have to be on inflation... Makes me wanna cry :(

[stevo67]

Imagine, if everyone just went to the petrol station, filled up, and drove off all over the country haha!

You`ve been to my neck of the woods then ha ha?.:drink:

[mechsman]

Ha, you think it's bad now! It was under 80 pence a litre when I started driving (yes I'm old!). Empty to full on my old renault 5 would cost about £20 and it would go for miles on that.

[Ross]

Ha, you think it's bad now! It was under 80 pence a litre when I started driving (yes I'm old!). Empty to full on my old renault 5 would cost about £20 and it would go for miles on that.

you're too young still :p

I remember just leaving school and fuel was £1.76 a gallon - fuel wasn't measured in litres back then ;)

I used to fill my first mini for £8. Now filling the range rover is £140. lol. FML.

[greyjasper51]

you're too young still :p

I remember just leaving school and fuel was £1.76 a gallon - fuel wasn't measured in litres back then ;)

I used to fill my first mini for £8. Now filling the range rover is £140. lol. FML.

I remember as a little kid 55-60p a litre when i started driving it was 90p a litre... Within 6 months it was 1.20...

[welshpug]

you should see the price of petrol in belgium and france, its 1.60 over there, diesel around 1.40.

[DreamEater]

you should see the price of petrol in belgium and france, its 1.60 over there, diesel around 1.40.

This is what annoys me about our country, diesel is a by product from petrol, yet diesel is more expensive.

[m4tt274]

i really had never heard the bread comparison! thinking about it, i have probably heard it, but never taken notice!

and though it is expensive now and people complain, i think beer has gone up and beyond the point of being ridiculous! people dont as often complain about that, nor food, the cost of living has increased, though it seems most peoples wages have if anything, decreased!

Its a very hard problem to resolve, alot of people just think, oh we will just strike, but that doesnt really help anyone if you delve into it. The reason the government has to charge loads in tax is because they are in more debt than you could even conceive.

Consider this, we all know someone lazy arse waste of space who sits around in his or her Umbro's and Reebok's all day with some weird notion that his/her community for some reason owes them a living and career as well as something to do.
The government in 2010 spend £188BILLON!!! on social security benefits. That represented 28% of the entire government expenditure and about £3,000 per man child and woman in the country. I will admit, this isnt entirely Dole money, some is fairly useful to alot of people, but never the less, thats a whopping amount that could be reduced alot if these dossers got off their arses and did something other than sit on garden furniture all day long infornt of their house with 6 Kids.
Then consider, that the fuel tax, food tax, road tax etc etc all goes into the governments purse and is used to pay for everything from health care, police, military to social benefits and some leisure events. It is hard to see how they stay on their feet to be honest, per person, they only make a few hundred quid a year on petrol, some say its to much, but it is understandable.

[tokyodrifte]

I remember when everyone went mental about it going over £1!

We should do it again! The whole country at a stand still till its below a pound!

[b0t13]

the govn needs to cut costs before squeezing us more,

and i dont mean sack po po, i mean cut the fat in councils and stop bonuses, pay realistic amounts for outside work, not crazyily inflated prices,

and get dossers doing some work or lose benefits, thatll save a few billions easily!

oh and make sure everyone gets taxed properly, which the rich seem to not be doing, thanks tories.

[NismoSteve]

Think of the flip side to fuel increases, everything you eat, drink, watch, wear, look at was brought on a lorry. Lorries need fuel and the increasing cost of fuel increases the cost you pay for your food, drinks, TVs the lot.
They put us through a fuel efficient driving course to lower our deopts anual fuel bill of £4.5m by 5%
Its only a matter of time before smaller hauliers are outmarketed by big firms like the one I work for who can take the strain, but then the costs will rise faster than ever. We are screwed.

[Prickle]

Month or so a go here Shell was 126.9, 127.9, 129.9 now its 134.9 < shell fs.

Total garage is 137.9 but they have always been high anyway.

[Carlvtr88]

TBH, the way I've seen it for some time now is.

One moment its 130.5 then 132.9 eventually rises to 137.9 or something.

Then it goes down to 129.7 for a month and everyone is getting a stiffy.

Then it rises to 135.9 again. Then sky high to 145.9.

Its only then you hear.. Petrols going up. What, from 145.9 onwards ? They will keep doing this. Crafty increments thinking we are all daft.

It wont be long before it bangs the 2.00 mark and theres a big fuss about it. But what will people do ? Pay it.... and thats why the fuckers do it.
I dont think most people would mind if it was the cost of it coming out the ground but its the fact its all tax that pisses people off.

[NismoSteve]

The only way a blockade can work is if the hauliers do it. There was some talk of it a while ago but its been quiet since the government gave some kind of sweetener to prevent them from doing it. Politics=corruption if you ask me.
I think its going to be down to us to do something about it. Any suggestions to fight the biggest corporations in the world?

[Carlvtr88]

The only way a blockade can work is if the hauliers do it. There was some talk of it a while ago but its been quiet since the government gave some kind of sweetener to prevent them from doing it. Politics=corruption if you ask me.
I think its going to be down to us to do something about it. Any suggestions to fight the biggest corporations in the world?

TBH, eventually individuals wont be the only ones complaining. Big companies with company cars will be having a few words i suppose.

[Ross]

TBH, eventually individuals wont be the only ones complaining. Big companies with company cars will be having a few words i suppose.
Company fuel is written off against pre-tax profits, so they don't really care tbh. It's more the small/medium companies where it really affects cashflow, or hauliers where it's the primary expense I think.

[greyjasper51]

Company fuel is written off against pre-tax profits, so they don't really care tbh. It's more the small/medium companies where it really affects cashflow, or hauliers where it's the primary expense I think.

Could be like our place... Everything except wages is tax exempt :-). R+D baby yeah!! Lol

[JamesR]

Get a motorbike for commuting? Will use far less fuel, especially if you only get a 250cc or something.

[Mochachino]

So if fuel was to increase 10p per liter, and like me you put in £30/£35 a week, it will cost me an extra £3 or £3.50. Guess to be able to afford that il have to buy 4/5 packets of Rolo's less a week. Not sure if I can cope.

Majority of people can afford to pay the extra, look each week how much money you waste, on a magazine you don't need, chocolate, compost, a cup, a bottle of coke, a pint or two. None of them are essential, but just one of them per week is what you would have to cut back on to afford the 10p increase in fuel. Easily affordable if you ask me. Have to admit though it does take the piss and annoys fuck out of me still.

[Carlvtr88]

Company fuel is written off against pre-tax profits, so they don't really care tbh. It's more the small/medium companies where it really affects cashflow, or hauliers where it's the primary expense I think.

Aah right ok. Well i suppose in my mind thats what i was thinking. The companies that end up forking out for it. Cause its just another chunk out the profit .

[DreamEater]

Get a motorbike for commuting? Will use far less fuel, especially if you only get a 250cc or something.

CBF 125 or a PCX 125 are the most fuel efficient bikes you can buy.

This is why I took my test yesterday ;)

[devilsadvocate]

i really had never heard the bread comparison! thinking about it, i have probably heard it, but never taken notice!

and though it is expensive now and people complain, i think beer has gone up and beyond the point of being ridiculous! people dont as often complain about that, nor food, the cost of living has increased, though it seems most peoples wages have if anything, decreased!



Food is a necessity and petrol is almost a necessity for some.

Beer is not so it is not comparable.

Cost of living goes up every year and very few companies provide a cost of living pay increase so wages are actually less every year in reality.

[crutchs]

love the 3p rise for this month was scrapped yet last week i filled up at 129.9 now its gone 133.9 so much for the scraping of the tax -_- luckly i dont travel that far

[Mr_X]

I saved around 400 a month commuting by living closer to work.

[JamesR]

CBF 125 or a PCX 125 are the most fuel efficient bikes you can buy.

This is why I took my test yesterday ;)

Yeah but if you're doing mostly motorway miles you're going to be at the top end of what the bike can do a lot of the time (Presuming they only do 60 - 70mph?) 250cc will give you a bit more poke and if anyhing be more efficiant at motorway speeds?

[blackie_2k5]

Fuck I remember when you could brim a 5l jerry can with 4 star for about £3.20

But lucky to fill it to the line with £7 these days..

[MR_N]

I work as a fuel station manager and get complaints about the prices all the time. All i ever get is an email from head office telling us that the fuel is going up and i feel bad as im the one who has to put it up on the system. Theoretically i could put it to 10p a litre but its not worth my job :y:

[Jonny52002]

I use on average about £30 - £40 a week depending on how much I need to use the car for work, I watch the fuel price all the time and it really pissed me off when it shot up this week.

Rememember when petrol was 88.9p a litre use to cost £35 to fill up car I had at that time, fuel shouln't cost more then £1 a litre in my view and there should be a way of capping it at around that figure.

[Jonny52002]

Theoretically i could put it to 10p a litre but its not worth my job :y:


If you ever quit your job you should do that :y:.

[MR_N]

If you ever quit your job you should do that :y:.

haha its a nice thought. Then change the password so no-one can change it back. May be able to serve 2 or 3 people before they realise and shut for the day

[m4tt274]

there was that asda that put it at £0.13 instead of £1.30, wish i could have filled up there! haha

[dondan]

there was that asda that put it at £0.13 instead of £1.30, wish i could have filled up there! haha

That was ASDA Blyth, I was I charge of the store on that day and got a fucking roasting even though it had nothing to do with me.

Colleagues who took advantage of it were disciplined and the colleague responsible for the inputting error recieved a warning.

I was duty manager on the day, but I'd handed over to the nightshirt team so other than a bollockin I got off ok.

The price was meant to be £1.30, but she pressed the numbers in wrong the divvy.

We lost about £20,000 that day/ night, it was all over Facebook haha

[MuZiZZle]

That was ASDA Blyth, I was I charge of the store on that day and got a fucking roasting even though it had nothing to do with me.

Colleagues who took advantage of it were disciplined and the colleague responsible for the inputting error recieved a warning.

I was duty manager on the day, but I'd handed over to the nightshirt team so other than a bollockin I got off ok.

The price was meant to be £1.30, but she pressed the numbers in wrong the divvy.

We lost about £20,000 that day/ night, it was all over Facebook haha

could he not have just changed the price?

[Manu]

you should see the price of petrol in belgium and france, its 1.60 over there, diesel around 1.40.

Technically not accurate. That's because of the exchange rate. If the pound was strong which it isn't , the rate would still be at 0.65 instead of being currently sitting up and down 0.85 . Do the math and ends up that on the continent you effectively pay £1.02 / L and diesel is even cheaper there. Ripoff UK, period. You pay 1.60, not them.

I remember 5 years ago paying slightly under €45 for 45 liters. That's a full tank for 30 quid. Back in the UK, full tank at 0.89 at the exact same period = £40

[Matty16v]

I think more and more people will be getting diesels soon.

Didn't read the whole thread, but thought I would pick up on this.

Diesels aren't as financially viable as they used to be, especially with the new petrol engines that are less thirsty than the older engines.

I haven't long bought a 1.6 petrol Clio, pulls OK for overtaking on the A roads, yet I get 44mpg just tootling around.

When on the motorway, leave 5 minutes early and sit at bang on 70 I will get 50mpg, I am paying £1.34p a litre at the moment.

In contrast the diesel engines can get anywhere between 45 - 70mpg? Yet, you're paying almost 10p a litre more.

Im'a try and do some math please correct if I'm wrong.

(these are rough estimates and based on the fuel prices in my area)

Petrol, £1.34 a litre, 4.5 litres in a gallon which means 1 gallon would cost £6.03. Based on an average of 45mpg that means you're paying 13.4p a mile.

Diesel, £1.44 a litre, 4.5 litres in a gallon which means 1 gallon would cost £6.48. Based on an average of 60 mpg that means you're paying 10.8p a mile.

Is it really worth it?

[Manu]

Diesel, £1.44 a litre, 4.5 litres in a gallon which means 1 gallon would cost £6.48. Based on an average of 60 mpg that means you're paying 11p a mile.

Is it really worth it?

Petrol engines drink a lot more petrol on short trips with a cold engine. Your math is already flawed with that and in generally speaking, dervs don't need as much maintenance. You need to factor in more elements than just what mpg it does on paper.

[Llardy]

I skipped most of the thread so sorry if this had been asked.

can anyone explain to me why 60% of what we pay for fuel is tax?

[dondan]

could he not have just changed the price?
Yup but it was a Sunday night, the station isn't manned after 16:30.

To do a price change you close the court, change it in one of the booths, lock up and go home.

It wasn't for a good few hours that the nightshift managers were aware of it when all the colleagues were leaving during their breaks to fill their cars up!

[saxova]

Diesel's don't like short trips either.

There was a big write up saying a derv engine only saves you money if you do over 20k miles a year.

[Matty16v]

Petrol engines drink a lot more petrol on short trips with a cold engine. Your math is already flawed with that and in generally speaking, dervs don't need as much maintenance. You need to factor in more elements than just what mpg it does on paper.

Good point, but I based my averages on someone commuting in both a petrol and a diesel.

I worked out, using another two averages.

A VW Passat has a 62 litre tank which is 13.7 gallons and a Renault Clio has a 55 litre tank which is 12.2 gallons.

The saving between the two tanks when full and doing the averages stated above is £16, which a diesel car being approximately 30% more expensive in terms of sale value than a petrol, you would need 100 full tanks or 8200 miles (on top of your yearly average) before you would see a saving of £1600 :y:

[Manu]

Good point, but I based my averages on someone commuting in both a petrol and a diesel.

I worked out, using another two averages.

A VW Passat has a 62 litre tank which is 13.7 gallons and a Renault Clio has a 55 litre tank which is 12.2 gallons.

The saving between the two tanks when full and doing the averages stated above is £16, which a diesel car being approximately 30% more expensive in terms of sale value than a petrol, you would need 100 full tanks or 8200 miles (on top of your yearly average) before you would see a saving of £1600 :y:

Yeah I know, from new it takes a lot of time and quite a few miles to see some gain. But on the other side you have depreciation so you end up being shafted anyway. Dervs seems to be picking up a lot recently on the used car market.

[Brettles1986]

Good point, but I based my averages on someone commuting in both a petrol and a diesel.

I worked out, using another two averages.

A VW Passat has a 62 litre tank which is 13.7 gallons and a Renault Clio has a 55 litre tank which is 12.2 gallons.

The saving between the two tanks when full and doing the averages stated above is £16, which a diesel car being approximately 30% more expensive in terms of sale value than a petrol, you would need 100 full tanks or 8200 miles (on top of your yearly average) before you would see a saving of £1600 :y:

What about car tax as well as this is different on both petrol and diesel models. Not a substantial amount but it's a saving year on year.

In addition to that, when the price on fuel rises, diesel does not always rise with it so when fuel hits £1.50 per litre that's when the savings will occur.

[Manu]

^^^ good point too, more bloody tax on diesel ain't it. £215 odd for a 1.9 diesel and a 1.5d saxo is as much as a VTR

[MuZiZZle]

versus my Legacy B4, my BMW was free due to the saving in fuel!

[smiith]

I do 250 miles a week going to and from work.

I don't pay attention to fuel prices. I need petrol so I buy it..

This.. Winge winge winge, sob sob, cry cry.. End of the day, no one is going to stop fuel prices going up.. Its a limited resource, it will eventually run out, and they have you by the short and curly's, unless you come up with a new way to power your car.. Bio derv, would be a good option, sadly, not too many places that sell it.. So unless you have a local station, pretty pointless.. Something with a LPG conversion, also good..

Apart from that, you are stuck paying what they demand.. You are playing their game, by their rules..

One day cars will run on hydrogen, and only pump out water, yet you will still pay road tax, go figure..

[iVTR]

Motorbikes are the future.

But not for the winter, fuck that.

[iVTR]

Didn't read the whole thread, but thought I would pick up on this.

Diesels aren't as financially viable as they used to be, especially with the new petrol engines that are less thirsty than the older engines.

I haven't long bought a 1.6 petrol Clio, pulls OK for overtaking on the A roads, yet I get 44mpg just tootling around.

When on the motorway, leave 5 minutes early and sit at bang on 70 I will get 50mpg, I am paying £1.34p a litre at the moment.

In contrast the diesel engines can get anywhere between 45 - 70mpg? Yet, you're paying almost 10p a litre more.

Im'a try and do some math please correct if I'm wrong.

(these are rough estimates and based on the fuel prices in my area)

Petrol, £1.34 a litre, 4.5 litres in a gallon which means 1 gallon would cost £6.03. Based on an average of 45mpg that means you're paying 13.4p a mile.

Diesel, £1.44 a litre, 4.5 litres in a gallon which means 1 gallon would cost £6.48. Based on an average of 60 mpg that means you're paying 10.8p a mile.

Is it really worth it?

For a blonde, you're pretty good at maths.. ;)

[iVTR]

Possibly one of the dullest comments I've ever heard. I'm a contractor, one minute I can be 2 miles from home, the next, a 100 mile round trip. Any more than that and I'll be supplied a van and/or lodge.

And sadly I have to admit, I just purchased a DERV. 700+ miles to a tank that costs less than £70 to fill up. £20 a year to tax. Currently averaging 69mpg according to trip.

What derv you got Mr_P?

[greyjasper51]

Sounds like a 1.4tdi or tdci... Vw or ford?

[Matty16v]

For a blonde, you're pretty good at maths.. ;)


hehe thanks babe ;) xx

Sounds like a 1.4tdi or tdci... Vw or ford?

I would probably go for the 1.4tdi, nice to drive, however a little boring!

[mechsman]

*snip*unless you come up with a new way to power your car..

Old pugs and citreons with the bosch mechanical fuel pump can run on straight/waste veg oil, and you get a 2500 litre allowance before hmrc become interested. 2500 litres = 550 gallons x 50mpg (conservative) = 27500 miles before hmrc give a toss. Even paying a pound a litre for new veg oil off the shelf you would save £1250 a year if you used your full allowance. Better savings if you get waste veg oil or buy in bulk.

/smug mode :y:

[AdamB]

Nope not bothered about it at all. Work van has a fuel card so I fill up at more expensive places to get more nector/shell points.

Personal car I have just brought a V8 and am lucky to get 12mpg.

[Matty16v]

Nope not bothered about it at all. Work van has a fuel card so I fill up at more expensive places to get more nector/shell points.

Personal car I have just brought a V8 and am lucky to get 12mpg.

A Hemi V8?:oops:

[AdamB]

Range Rover 4.6 v8

[Ross]

Petrol, £1.34 a litre, 4.5 litres in a gallon which means 1 gallon would cost £6.03. Based on an average of 45mpg that means you're paying 13.4p a mile.

Diesel, £1.44 a litre, 4.5 litres in a gallon which means 1 gallon would cost £6.48. Based on an average of 60 mpg that means you're paying 10.8p a mile.

Is it really worth it?

I commute 65 miles a day. With your calculations:

2.6p difference per mile. 65 miles a day. £1.63 saving a day. five days a week, £8.13. £32.50 a month, £390 a year. Or almost twice my car insurance premium... ;)

Yes- it's worth it :)

And of course, that's not including any social trips etc. :)

[devilsadvocate]

Motorbikes are the future.

But not for the winter, fuck that.

Seems like a good idea until you think about the risks.

Come off a motorbike at 70mph and there's a strong chance you will be six feet under.

Just takes one little mistake on a bike and you are dead.

Obviously there is still a risk in a car but nowhere near as much as a bike in my opinion.

[Brettles1986]

Buy a 1.5td clio

£30 a year to tax
60MPG

Although slow as shit. I could cycle faster.

[Matty16v]

Buy a 1.5td clio

£30 a year to tax
60MPG

Although slow as shit. I could cycle faster.

Haha very true! Although, my mate has just had 1 mapped and took it too 100bhp with almost 200ft-lb and now even achieves almost 70mpg! It's absolutely crazy lol

[Howie15]

My lil fiesta drinks diesel (1.4) ...I can sit at 50 on the motorway and still use more than what my mates are using. Its expensive to fill up and to get not much more than what everyone else gets....They are not so good for short trips, when i went to pick up my saxo i got it back down on just under £20 for a 3.5 hour trip i thought thats good compared to my fiesta :/

[L33h]

28mph in the Audi. not good atall it costs me a fortune.

Get the motorbikes out man :P

[Mr_P]

What derv you got Mr_P?

hehe thanks babe ;) xx



I would probably go for the 1.4tdi, nice to drive, however a little boring!

Clio 1.5 dci. The 80 bhp model. It's a tax band lower than the 65 and the 100. Hence £20. Quicker in most ways than the 100 too.

Does over 70mpg sat at 70mph on the motorway. Driving it home from my girlfriends, without really really trying, trip computer was over 78mpg. That was up and over mountains. Not motorway driving.

52 plate, 97,000, FSH. 12 months mot. £1500.

Not fast, no. But a nice little turbo diesel with a nice poke when it's on boost. Plenty of torque for it's size. Can't fault it really.

And the way thing are going, I can't see me ever getting rid of it either. It's my work horse, it's gonna be run into the ground.

[L33h]

Clio 1.5 dci. The 80 bhp model. It's a tax band lower than the 65 and the 100. Hence £20. Quicker in most ways than the 100 too.

Does over 70mpg sat at 70mph on the motorway. Driving it home from my girlfriends, without really really trying, trip computer was over 78mpg. That was up and over mountains. Not motorway driving.

52 plate, 97,000, FSH. 12 months mot. £1500.

Not fast, no. But a nice little turbo diesel with a nice poke when it's on boost. Plenty of torque for it's size. Can't fault it really.

And the way thing are going, I can't see me ever getting rid of it either. It's my work horse, it's gonna be run into the ground.

70mpg!! I dont think ill ever see that much in my life haha

[Mr_X]

Clio 1.5 dci. The 80 bhp model. It's a tax band lower than the 65 and the 100. Hence £20. Quicker in most ways than the 100 too.

Does over 70mpg sat at 70mph on the motorway. Driving it home from my girlfriends, without really really trying, trip computer was over 78mpg. That was up and over mountains. Not motorway driving.

52 plate, 97,000, FSH. 12 months mot. £1500.

Not fast, no. But a nice little turbo diesel with a nice poke when it's on boost. Plenty of torque for it's size. Can't fault it really.

And the way thing are going, I can't see me ever getting rid of it either. It's my work horse, it's gonna be run into the ground.

Impressive! I always struggle to get the figures quoted, so a genuine 70+mpg is excellent.

[Squiddler]

TBH, the way I've seen it for some time now is.
I dont think most people would mind if it was the cost of it coming out the ground but its the fact its all tax that pisses people off.

Pretty much just summed up the whole fucking thing for me mate

[Matty16v]

The reality of it is, we are running out of fuel, we have known this for some time!

The government are trying to make it too expensive for fuel for the lower class, like Jeremy Clarkson said on Top Gear a few years ago, "The government are deliberately making fuel too expensive for personal use".

The fact is, if you can't afford the fuel, you can't afford to drive!

Also, going back to the comment about the taxes they have lost on Cigarettes, that's a load of rubbish. Yes, they made a lot of tax on smoking, but they spent a hell of a lot more money on the healthcare service to battle the effects and illnesses of smoking, so in fact it's saved the government money.

[iVTR]

TL;DR The government and taxes are cunts.

[Ross]

Just to throw more controversy into the chat, don't forget that working as America's puppets in Afghanistan has cost us £20billion...

[Brettles1986]

28mph in the Audi. not good atall it costs me a fortune.

Get the motorbikes out man :P

24 average in the golf :wall:

[Matty16v]

Just to throw more controversy into the chat, don't forget that working as America's puppets in Afghanistan has cost us £20billion...

F**k it, let's go the whole hog!

They put beer up 5p a pint. :drink:

[Ross]

F**k it, let's go the whole hog!

They put beer up 5p a pint. :drink:

Yes, but you have the option of not buying beer. I don't drink so it doesn't affect me.

I don't have the option of not paying for an invasion of a country, following a policy I don't approve of, just to kiss the good ol' US of A's arse.

[Proffitt]

Petrol, £1.34 a litre, 4.5 litres in a gallon which means 1 gallon would cost £6.03. Based on an average of 45mpg that means you're paying 13.4p a mile.

Diesel, £1.44 a litre, 4.5 litres in a gallon which means 1 gallon would cost £6.48. Based on an average of 60 mpg that means you're paying 10.8p a mile.

Is it really worth it?

Yes :)

Based on your calculations you are saving 2.6p per mile with a diesel.
Over my 200 miles a week thats a saving of £5.20 a week (i save more that that a week, more like £10)
Which is £270 a year or in my case, £520 a year.
Thats not including cheaper tax and diesels hold their value and don't deprieciate (sp) as much as petrols. Also, my insurance is cheaper :A:

[Proffitt]

24 average in the golf :wall:

40mpg around town and 55mpg on the motorway in the 320d BMW :A:

[Ross]

24 average in the golf :wall:

Worse than my range rover. Stop driving like a cunt ;)

However - my 106 can manage 6mpg with a heavy right foot. Can theoretically drain a brimmed tank in under 20 minutes. Pain!

[delux]

40mpg around town and 55mpg on the motorway in the 320d BMW :A:

Try 18 :wall::wall::wall:

[Prickle]

Try 18 :wall::wall::wall:

Do you expect one if those cars to return good mpg?

If so. Not sure if srs.

Edit; just dont get why people with performance cars winge. :S

[Quick]

Nope not bothered about it at all. Work van has a fuel card so I fill up at more expensive places to get more nector/shell points.

.


Fuel card points are worked out on litres rather than ££££!

So best to squeeze in that extra bit to take it to a full litre!

[Brettles1986]

Worse than my range rover. Stop driving like a cunt ;)

However - my 106 can manage 6mpg with a heavy right foot. Can theoretically drain a brimmed tank in under 20 minutes. Pain!

I've recently serviced it the weekend just gone and in fairness I don't have a heavy foot anymore. I find if the car has an exhaust with a silent exhaust note then I don't feel the need to put my foot down.

I've got an extra 20 miles to half a tank so far so hopefully the service has helped.

Who you calling a cunt! Come at me Bro!

[iVTR]

My bike gets a genuine 95mpg. And that's going mostly full throttle.. lol

Not the quickest by any means.

Cheap, yes. Never seen the tank cost more than £7 lol !

[Ross]

I've recently serviced it the weekend just gone and in fairness I don't have a heavy foot anymore. I find if the car has an exhaust with a silent exhaust note then I don't feel the need to put my foot down.

I've got an extra 20 miles to half a tank so far so hopefully the service has helped.

Who you calling a cunt! Come at me Bro!

http://images.wikia.com/icarly/images/a/a1/Queen-come-at-me-bro.jpg

[Brettles1986]

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/at-me-bro-you-come.jpeg

[iVTR]

http://sergioiacobelli.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/get-a-room-03.jpg

[AdamB]

Do you expect one if those cars to return good mpg?

If so. Not sure if srs.

Edit; just dont get why people with performance cars winge. :S

exactly my point. I brought my Range Rover knowing that I will never do over 13mpg, my decision as I could have brought a sensible car

[Ross]

exactly my point. I brought my Range Rover knowing that I will never do over 13mpg, my decision as I could have brought a sensible car

Get 30mpg out of mine on a run, 25 hammering it. What you got? (other than a lead foot... ;)) - 4.0 iirc from facebook?

[Brettles1986]

exactly my point. I brought my Range Rover knowing that I will never do over 13mpg, my decision as I could have brought a sensible car

You could also have bought one :hug:

I wouldn't even say my car is a performance car tbh, it's not really quicker than my VTS. Derv is the way to go, I've experienced a petrol turbo, now time to move on.

[AdamB]

Get 30mpg out of mine on a run, 25 hammering it. What you got? (other than a lead foot... ;)) - 4.0 iirc from facebook?

Pshhh poverty 4.0 litre owners. Mines a 4.6 V8 one, mines a older one so not as fancy as yours and a lot shitter on fuel. I am getting what I should be out off it
V8 noise is addictive

[Brettles1986]

Pshhh poverty 4.0 litre owners. Mines a 4.6 V8 one, mines a older one so not as fancy as yours and a lot shitter on fuel. I am getting what I should be out off it
V8 noise is addictive

My dads mate has one, 4.6 V8 Vogue, its got full stainless steel on it as well and it sounds lovely.

[Ross]

Pshhh poverty 4.0 litre owners. Mines a 4.6 V8 one, mines a older one so not as fancy as yours and a lot shitter on fuel. I am getting what I should be out off it
V8 noise is addictive

Tell me about it. I've been test driving some sports as I'm planning on getting one in the new year. Just makes me jealous now every time I see/hear one... :(

[AdamB]

Mines a HSE one but a older P38 model. I only use it to go to the office and back which is 1.8 miles.
The noise is epic and so comfortable too

[AdamB]

Tell me about it. I've been test driving some sports as I'm planning on getting one in the new year. Just makes me jealous now every time I see/hear one... :(

Get it done, you do pay on MPG but I have not even turned the head unit on yet. Windows down and V8 roar FTW