Yet another new car thread - Corsa vxr nurburgring ? or any other ideas

[SAXO8VYO]

As thread title says looking to get new car end of september , going to be keeping the saxo for going to work and back 80 miles a day.

The new car i was looking at was a corsa vxr ideally 2009/10 and then i seen the nurburgring edition but doubt its worth the extra 4/5k over a normal artic vxr.

did also look at a few bmw 123d's purley because its 200bhp diesel and look nice.

£12,000 max , im 20 with 1 years ncb , would pay up to £250 a month on insurance providing its something nice!

i do NOT want a vts , gti , clio 172/182/197/200 , type r , fiesta st's.

want something i can get mapped and get good gains so turbo is ideally the way i want to go.

discuss.........

[Lewis1600]

Id rather a Astra VXR over a Corsa VXR..

Have you looked on the prices of the astras? going for silly cheap prices nowadays..

[iw_laurence]

Why would you spend £12k on a corsa!! Fuck that buy an Evo/skyline/m3 or buy something for 5k and save the rest.

Stupid amount of money to be spending on a car at 20 years old!

[manta]

Corsa VXRs fall apart apparently.

Chap I work with had one and after 16 or 26k it was on it's arse.

[luke1691]

I had the Astra Vxr has a shut load of torque steer. Wouldn't mind one though. But with that kind of money you could get a pretty tasty car.

[Jazz]

Similar situation as me, about 12k-ish to buy a newish hot hatch. I've gone for a revvy manic N/A powerplant over a powerful turbo, feel and involvement over straight line grunt for me now.

The Corsa VXR is a nice little car though, if you like them go out for a test drive.

[hard_corejoeboy]

Get a standard VXR over the Nurburgring edition. You could make a second hand one much much better for a lot lot less.

[Jazz]

Get a standard VXR over the Nurburgring edition. You could make a second hand one much much better for a lot lot less.

...Along with less resale value and less exclusivity.

[Jizanthapus]

I agree with iw_laurence, yeh it may seem all nice, new and shiney now but in a year or so you are left with a Corsa. A Corsa.

Just a Corsa.

After £12k I would like something better than a Corsa.

[iVTR]

Megane ? Focus ?

[DreamEater]

Buy a house.

[Lewis1600]

I had the Astra Vxr has a shut load of torque steer. Wouldn't mind one though. But with that kind of money you could get a pretty tasty car.

At 20 years old hes pretty limited..

Peronsally Id go for a MK5 R32.. or MK5 GTI. Map both and get good gains.

[Jazz]

Peronsally Id go for a MK5 R32.. or MK5 GTI. Map both and get good gains.

Even better, get the Mk5 Golf GTi Edition 30. It comes with a larger K04 Turbo over the normal GTi and maps wayyyyy higher than both of the above, around 300bhp.

The R32 sounds amazing but is in the £460 per year tax bracket.

[hard_corejoeboy]

...Along with less resale value and less exclusivity.

This is why rich people are boring...

[Mr_X]

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Seriously though, M3s etc have running costs well into the thousands, a newish hot hatch will cost piss all.

[hard_corejoeboy]

Id hate to think what it would cost me to run a corsa vxr for a year compared to my twingo. A lot lot more!

For what 2-3 seconds a lap at most? Not worth it imo

[hard_corejoeboy]

Even better, get the Mk5 Golf GTi Edition 30. It comes with a larger K04 Turbo over the normal GTi and maps wayyyyy higher than both of the above, around 300bhp.

The R32 sounds amazing but is in the £460 per year tax bracket.

Maybe for a good all rounder. Gti's are rare track cars for good reason

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NFcNOWAhOI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[Lewis1600]

Even better, get the Mk5 Golf GTi Edition 30. It comes with a larger K04 Turbo over the normal GTi and maps wayyyyy higher than both of the above, around 300bhp.

The R32 sounds amazing but is in the £460 per year tax bracket.

The Edition 30 is a nicer car, much better car..

But the noise of the 3.2 does it for me! :D

[Saxotim]

Two hundred and fifty pounds per month insurance, are you mad?!

Meg 225/230/R26.r

The corsas understeer like fat pigs and are hideously unreliable, mate had 4th piston melt, turbo go bang, 2nd gear synchro go, seats fell apart and 2 sets of rear wheel bearings, In 10k.

[iVTR]

Two hundred and fifty pounds per month insurance, are you mad?!

Meg 225/230/R26.r

The corsas understeer like fat pigs and are hideously unreliable, mate had 4th piston melt, turbo go bang, 2nd gear synchro go, seats fell apart and 2 sets of rear wheel bearings, In 10k.

Fuck me!

:homme:

Any decent focus's in a 12k range?

[cyne]

Volvo C30 T5?

Only thing I can think of thats in that price range and isn't obvious as fuck.

[Karlb1]

Decent newish Focus ST (58 plate etc) for less then 10k with about 30k miles. decent map etc will see it well and youd have enough money to pay insurance off in full and have some toys for it

[LSOfreak]

i love corsa vxr's

the only corsa i actually like as all the others bore me rigid!

not a fan of astra, they bore the hell out of me.

With a budget like that id be looking at e92 bmw m sports personally, or ive taken quite a liking to punto abarths these days...

older corsa vxr's can be had for like £6k cant they? why do you have to spend twice the amount for something with just a newer number plate?

[JAGVTS]

I test drove a white nurburgring corsa back in march before i bought the astra . Its an expensive car. Also power wasnt anything special. All i can say is Astra vxr over the corsa allllll day long. Can get an astra for 6k these days. Running costs are pretty awesome considering its a 2l turbo, i can get 37mpg on a long motorway run and i average 31.3 mpg doing mixed driving. Now thats not far off the vts . Corsa's are not that much bigger than a saxo so i would say look at an astra:) only because i have one hehe.

[Manu]

plenty of better cars for that money. Wouldn't touch a newish corsa because of

1 depreciation
2 chav magnet

[Karlb1]

If you do get a Corsa VXR, don't get white, you'll look like those stupid little twats with the 'Limited edition' Corsa. Waste of metal tbh, i'd rather they used it in making coat hangers for home abortions.

[0rang3peel]

Id hate to think what it would cost me to run a corsa vxr for a year compared to my twingo. A lot lot more!

For what 2-3 seconds a lap at most? Not worth it imo

mate shut up about your shitty twingo, its fucking dog ugly.

to the OP, why would you spend 12k on a car and then pay insurance monthly :-/

[Quick]

I'd get something comfy for your 80 mile commute that's good on fuel!

[hard_corejoeboy]

mate shut up about your shitty twingo, its fucking dog ugly.

to the OP, why would you spend 12k on a car and then pay insurance monthly :-/

They aren't though are they? They are a very nice looking car.

My point is why spend more on having a 'straight line' hatchback thats costs thousands more to run a year and no significant performance gain.

[iVTR]

Show us some pics of your twingo mate.

[iVTR]

Here you go, looks clean, 2 Litre turbo, £7,500

Leaves you plenty to pay off your insurance in one,

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2006-RENAULT-MEGANE-SPORT-225-F1-TEAM-BLUE-ALONSO-LIMITED-EDITION-LIKE-R26-R26-R-/110937036402?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item19d45cd672

:y:

[Jay_]

Id hate to think what it would cost me to run a corsa vxr for a year compared to my twingo. A lot lot more!

For what 2-3 seconds a lap at most? Not worth it imo

I love the fact you compare cars by lap times. :homme:

you must drive like a ballbag on public roads.

[Gandi699]

I dont actually mind the VXR corsas, which is rare for someone who drives a Renault RS. However if its white one, you look like one of the bellends in a 1.2 limited edition

[ky92]

I like the Megan above, but for the same amount you can get a clean Megan r26 with the lsd as standard, a lot of car for the money.

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[Lewis1600]

The corsa VXR look good..
But cant help think the astra is the better option..
http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/7853/img1057n.jpg

[iVTR]

I think those megane's are actually pretty nice.

Could well be my next car at some point!

[iVTR]

http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o520/bikerrtomm/js800__MG_7908.jpg

http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o520/bikerrtomm/js800__MG_7907.jpg

http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o520/bikerrtomm/3015.jpg

:y:

[hard_corejoeboy]

Im sure the major car journo's preferred the Corsa over the Astra VXR.

All good cars and its nice having turbo's and going fast and blah blah blah. But at the sort of age a lot of people on here are they are buying a fast car to beat the other local chavs and their mates and for what? To pay thousand or more on insurance a year?? Large tax bills not to mention fuel? Either a lot of rich young kids about or they have no lives.

My preference would be the Megane money no object.

[hard_corejoeboy]

I love the fact you compare cars by lap times. :homme:

you must drive like a ballbag on public roads.

Jay im sure not many people buy a performance car based on the quality of its leather interior or how much boot space it has! Its about bragging rights and generally how good the car looks.

[MuZiZZle]

Stupid amount of money to be spending on a car at 20 years old!


why????:ponder:

[Lewis1600]

I think those megane's are actually pretty nice.

Could well be my next car at some point!

Cba quoting the pics... Megs are nice.. But Im going to be an ass and post.. :D

MK5 FTW!
http://www.aylis.com/temp/bbsch11.jpg
http://www.aylis.com/temp/bbsch10.jpg

[iw_laurence]

are you shitting me? there is sooo much more useful things you could and i would spend 12k on at 20! Unless its a company car and all paid for. I am finding it hard to justify spending £5k for my next car.

[CEdwards]

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201233481846531/sort/default/usedcars/maximum-age/up_to_5_years_old/maximum-mileage/up_to_60000_miles/fuel-type/petrol/price-to/8000/make/bmw/onesearchad/used/onesearchad/nearlynew/onesearchad/new/radius/1500/postcode/ll654sg/page/1?logcode=p


:D

[iVTR]

Yeah those golf's are nice, but your paying alot for the badge.

Megane looks under-rated, and probably is fairly quick.

[Lewis1600]

Yeah those golf's are nice, but your paying alot for the badge.

Megane looks under-rated, and probably is fairly quick.

My mate just picked up a 09 reg with 40k miles, R32 with all the option extras, inc built in sat nav, full leathers, black & chrome alloys for £9,500..

Tbh Its alot of car for the price.

[Lewis1600]

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201233481846531/sort/default/usedcars/maximum-age/up_to_5_years_old/maximum-mileage/up_to_60000_miles/fuel-type/petrol/price-to/8000/make/bmw/onesearchad/used/onesearchad/nearlynew/onesearchad/new/radius/1500/postcode/ll654sg/page/1?logcode=p


:D

You on drugs? lol

[iVTR]

Are these megane's always this cheap..:s

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201234482384145/sort/default/usedcars/model/megane/make/renault/onesearchad/used/onesearchad/nearlynew/onesearchad/new/page/1/postcode/radius/200/keywords/225?logcode=p

[LSOfreak]

They aren't though are they? They are a very nice looking car.

My point is why spend more on having a 'straight line' hatchback thats costs thousands more to run a year and no significant performance gain.

the back end looks horrific mate lol
would put me off buying one straight away

[The_Notorious_C_A_T]

Off topic sorry but hard_corejoeboy, was that you who got banned from 133.net?

[Jazz]

Mazda 3 MPS can be had for 12k (just). 2.3 Turbo, 256bhp and with a remap just under 300. They look stunning as well.

[0rang3peel]

Megane R26R or whatever but whichever you get you're going to pay thousands on insurance and plus the original car fee why would you do this at 20 unless you have money to waste... to me it's completely nonsensical

[xscottxx]

fuck what people think just buy what you want.

if i had £12k i'd be getting a DC5 ITR personally.

Autotraders reviews are pretty good.

[iVTR]

fuck what people think just buy what you want.

if i had £12k i'd be getting a DC5 ITR personally.

Autotraders reviews are pretty good.

The fucks one of them?

[Liamjrhodes]

The fucks one of them?

Honda integra type r latest model the dc5

[iw_laurence]

basically its a longer ep3 civic type r but with a massive price tag

[hard_corejoeboy]

Look cool though. Import only puts me off

[iVTR]

Oh , nice one.

Yeah for some reason I'm not keen on civics either.

The only Honda car that I will have at some point in my life is the S2000!

[griff_106]

Alot of new cars are boring IMO. I've heard things going pop on that Corsa and leaving people majorly out of pocket - I'd steer well clear of them anyway because it's a Corsa, but that takes the mick if you ask me.

Have you thought about a Mk4 Golf R32? Same engine, same glorious V6 burble but 'only' £270 vs. £470 for the Mk5 per year on tax. There's still a few tidy examples out there, and it can't hurt to put a Milltek on there to enjoy that noise even more ;) I'd just whack the rest in the bank personally...

Failing that, maybe a SEAT Leon Cupra R? Cheaper on tax, VAG so should be pretty reliable (gearboxes and door seals can be a downfall of them IIRC) but are highly tuneable - I've seen 320bhp from them on standard internals. Pretty good sleepers if you chip them as well :fcuk:

Are these megane's always this cheap..:s

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201234482384145/sort/default/usedcars/model/megane/make/renault/onesearchad/used/onesearchad/nearlynew/onesearchad/new/page/1/postcode/radius/200/keywords/225?logcode=p

That price worries me - I'd be interested to see if it's been a write off at some point in it's life. That said, I think it's one of the first hot Meganes that Renault did though, and I seem to remember them not being as highly rated as later versions...

[Stissy]

seat ibiza cupra :) fantastic car, though I’m probably bias

i'd get the 1.8t (6L shape, 2004-2008) over the newer 1.4tsi engine
180bhp standard
stage 1 map will see 208bhp
spend a bit more at milltek and forge, then stage 2 it and you'll see 240bhp easy
and if you really want to go all out, hybrid turbo, bigger everything and stage 3 will see you at 300bhp
you can do it all for less than 12k, or just stick at stage 1 (which will be plenty) and do it all for half your budget, and you get to go to all the cool vag shows :y:

another option could be an 8p2 Audi S3, about 12ks worth of beauty

[SAXO8VYO]

ahh lewis , i do like those mk5 r32's but the tax puts me off and i dont like the mk4 shape .

i dont like the arse end of the megane just too big rear ended.

i honestly dont know about the corsa now as ive been hearing so many stories about them here and on vxronline but im swaying towards a astra now .....

and Hardcorejoe or what ever your name is not every one buys a car based on its track times and how fast it laps the "ring" , one of my friends had a twingo about 2 years ago from new and to be honest the handling was decent but let down by a poor engine . no point having a go kart like handling car with no power , plus dont like the way they look i dont want to be driving a shoe box

thanks to the others who put in good comments!

[Chris_O]

I have to agree, the twingo is a disgusting looking car :y:

[Jazz]

Keep your turbos.

http://www.eightj.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/jdmnorthwest_12.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA-y5faq6-s

^ Just listen to that :sweetheart:

[hard_corejoeboy]

ahh lewis , i do like those mk5 r32's but the tax puts me off and i dont like the mk4 shape .

i dont like the arse end of the megane just too big rear ended.

i honestly dont know about the corsa now as ive been hearing so many stories about them here and on vxronline but im swaying towards a astra now .....

and Hardcorejoe or what ever your name is not every one buys a car based on its track times and how fast it laps the "ring" , one of my friends had a twingo about 2 years ago from new and to be honest the handling was decent but let down by a poor engine . no point having a go kart like handling car with no power , plus dont like the way they look i dont want to be driving a shoe box

thanks to the others who put in good comments!

Power is for gays that can't drive fast...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM1mUvVg4qQ

How do they look bad?

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcToZuFMoMMppNsY8Tuqe4Mik5CUQ6JOC niVKuoo9ElmDN4JPFyU&t=1

[MuZiZZle]

Twingos are for gays that think they can drive fast...


Corrected

[hard_corejoeboy]

And saxos are for who? Lol

Renaultsport cars are always top of their category for good reason.

[Jazz]

And saxos are for who? Lol

Renaultsport cars are always top of their category for good reason.

What the lads above are saying is that there are more to cars than just lap times.

And if you do want to play the lap time game the FN2 Civic Type R I posted above got a better time on the Top Gear leaderboard than the Clio 182, Megane 225 and the Clio 200 Cup ;)

[MuZiZZle]

And saxos are for who? Lol

Renaultsport cars are always top of their category for good reason.

You must be knee deep in flange with your Twingo

Do birds think its a courtesy car?

[hard_corejoeboy]

What the lads above are saying is that there are more to cars than just lap times.

And if you do want to play the lap time game the FN2 Civic Type R I posted above got a better time on the Top Gear leaderboard than the Clio 182, Megane 225 and the Clio 200 Cup ;)

Thats a mugen type r that costs nearly 3 times more than a clio 200 cup.

And yes im knee deep in clunge because thats what i want from life at 28 when i have a missus and a kid lmao
I don't really care about my car so much these days as no its not the best or fastest but its great all around. Im not trying to push it as different strokes for different folks and all that..

Ps bmw's are for sales reps and drug dealers lol i'll say no more case i get banned of here too

[Jazz]

Thats a mugen type r that costs nearly 3 times more than a clio 200 cup.

And yes im knee deep in clunge because thats what i want from life at 28 when i have a missus and a kid lmao

Ps bmw's are for sales reps and drug dealers lol i'll say no more case i get banned of here too

Errrm no I'm talking about the standard FN2 Type R.

The Mugen one is in a different league. Check the times.


1:33.5- Honda Civic Type-R (FN2-2007)

1:33.5- SEAT Leon Cupra Mk2

1:33.7- MG ZT 260

1:33.7- Volkswagen Golf Mk.V GTI

1:33.7- 2002 Honda NSX (very wet)

1:33.8- Clio Renault Sport 182

1:33.9- Holden Monaro (wet)

1:34.0- Renault Mégane 225

1:34.0-Renault Clio 200 Cup

1:34.2- MINI Cooper S Works

:y:

[hard_corejoeboy]

Don't want to get in a big debate about it but that can't be right?!

182 quicker than 200??

The 200 was over 2secs quicker at bedford when tested by evo magazine than the 197 which was quicker again than the 182..

We really need a purpose built forum for stuff like this lol instead of ruining threads :D

[Jazz]

Oh it is right, check the website. ;)

[hard_corejoeboy]

Blimey! I just saw a flying pig through my front room window!

lol now i've seen everything. Might sell the Twingo and get a 182 now lol

[MuZiZZle]

Thats a mugen type r that costs nearly 3 times more than a clio 200 cup.

And yes im knee deep in clunge because thats what i want from life at 28 when i have a missus and a kid lmao
I don't really care about my car so much these days as no its not the best or fastest but its great all around. Im not trying to push it as different strokes for different folks and all that..

Ps bmw's are for sales reps and drug dealers lol i'll say no more case i get banned of here too

No my BM is for carrying my kids about

I hope to hell you don't put kids in your ring weapon/breadbin!

[hard_corejoeboy]

Lol i drive very sensibly with my son in the car. He's not going on track till at least 5 years old.

[L33h]

If you want to go fast... get a bike

PS.. Corsa VXRs are fucking ugly and not even that fast. 1 couldnt even get past me in the Audi the other day

[hard_corejoeboy]

I think at the end of the day if you start with avreasonable base car it doesnt matter as any car can be made to go fast....

[DreamEater]

Buy a house. If you've got that much money, buy a house.

Maybe wait for the market to get a little better, but buy a house, set for life then.

[VTR-Chris]

i paid 11k for my 08 ST-2 with 31k on the clock

well worth the dollar... compared to my civic type R its so much smoother and easier to drive

going from a 306bhp supercharged type r to a 225bhp ST was a bit of a downsize

but its on stage 2 now with 280bhp and 370lbft of torque (compared to the sc civics 200) makes it so much easier to drive

fuel consumption is about the same.. can see 37mpg on motorway

[hard_corejoeboy]

I can imagine the st being really quick but ive never been in one with handling to match. It seems turbo boys always focus on the lazy way of going faster. Ie more boost instead of brakes and suspension first.

Neighbour is gonna be getting rid of his 30k 2007 st for stupid stupid money soon. Tempting to getbit butbits sat on the road motionless for about a year now.

[Jamie]

Keep your turbos.

http://www.eightj.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/jdmnorthwest_12.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA-y5faq6-s

^ Just listen to that :sweetheart:

That's my secret favourite hot hatch that I don't tell anyone about... oh wait. lol

Mugen FN2 Type R OMG.

[Jazz]

That's my secret favourite hot hatch that I don't tell anyone about... oh wait. lol

Mugen FN2 Type R OMG.

Tell me about it, looks like a futuristic racing space ship. Plus with the crazy noise to match.. I want.

If I was getting a stock version I'd certainly aim to make it just like the Mugen. Not that I'm getting a standard FN2R in GT-Spec of course... *cough cough*

[Lewis1600]

ahh lewis , i do like those mk5 r32's but the tax puts me off and i dont like the mk4 shape .


Get an Edition 30 then :D Mate has one 320bhp.. right weapon, nobody expects it to be quick :p

[Penn]

Over budget but worth it when you're thinking of sinking 12k.

http://pistonheads.com/sales/4141443.htm

[hard_corejoeboy]

Fantastic! Wont get hassle from chavs in this :)

[VTR-Chris]

that fn2 in question isnt a genuine mugen one

its tdi norths one theyve built

still a weapon though

[Stissy]

i paid 11k for my 08 ST-2 with 31k on the clock

well worth the dollar... compared to my civic type R its so much smoother and easier to drive

going from a 306bhp supercharged type r to a 225bhp ST was a bit of a downsize

but its on stage 2 now with 280bhp and 370lbft of torque (compared to the sc civics 200) makes it so much easier to drive

fuel consumption is about the same.. can see 37mpg on motorway

you didn't trade your car into a place in nottingham by any chance?

[23carragold]

.............

[hard_corejoeboy]

I like it and do do all the reviewers so i dont mind lol

If it looks krap what does that say about the saxo? If the interior is krap what about the saxo??

Wish i had the 200 cup though now that really is a hatch!

Everything else is second best

[Lewis1600]

I like it and do do all the reviewers so i dont mind lol

If it looks krap what does that say about the saxo? If the interior is krap what about the saxo??

Wish i had the 200 cup though now that really is a hatch!

Everything else is second best

My mate has just bought a Blue one, new one.

Says his mapped Ibiza FR TDi was quicker, and a better car.

He wont have the clio for long, he kind of regrets getting it.

[hard_corejoeboy]

Hes just not driving it properly...it takes a certain driving style and coming ftom a diesel wont help...

[Jay_]

Hes just not driving it properly...it takes a certain driving style and coming ftom a diesel wont help...

I forgot you were Ayrton Senna... :homme:

[MuZiZZle]

I forgot you were Ayrton Senna... :homme:

If only, then we'd not have to hear his justification for driving a sporty breadbin in every fucking post!

[hard_corejoeboy]

We'll id be dead so it would be hard!

[Lewis1600]

Hes just not driving it properly...it takes a certain driving style and coming ftom a diesel wont help...

He drives it properly..

He also has a 180bhp TB'd Saxo VTS thats just used on track..

He also says that quicker lol, He does drive it properly, the handling is good but he expected more power.

[MuZiZZle]

We'll id be dead so it would be hard!


swing and a miss

[hard_corejoeboy]

Bloody french!

My slave cylinder gave up yesterday at bedford! Gutter!

Still took a clio 200 and megane 250 before that though.

I hear you on the clios power though on the main straight we were hitting 110 and the clios phase 2 and 3s were only pulling a few lengths on me. I'd wager my brakes are better to that or i have bigger balls :)

[dondan]

So your twingo beats a 250 round Bedford? Did the megane driver have his helmet on back to front?

[GolfJay]

Bloody french!

My slave cylinder gave up yesterday at bedford! Gutter!

Still took a clio 200 and megane 250 before that though.

I hear you on the clios power though on the main straight we were hitting 110 and the clios phase 2 and 3s were only pulling a few lengths on me. I'd wager my brakes are better to that or i have bigger balls :)

Cheers dude! I was laughing so much that i've woke the missus up! She isn't happy!

Anymore bullshit to report?

[23carragold]

...........

[hard_corejoeboy]

Why is that so hard to believe? The instructors in the new twingo were shaking off r26r's so me overtaking a 250 isnt exactly a big deal. Probably had a bird driving it or someone driving the demo vehicle

Course i forget in this forum its all about what car you have and the faster car will always beat the slower one as long as that car isnt a saxo in which case its normal to overtake a veyron...

Shame i only got 8 fast laps in and didnt set up the camera and racechrono.

[Stissy]

too many people biting bait in here