Parking ticket!

[Skitts123]

Popped into asda earlier to grab a few things, the car park was dead so loads of spaces. I decided to park in the middle of two as people tend to bang my doors and my paintwork on my gti is fairly mint.

i was in asda for 5/10 mins and came out to be met by a ticket on my window! Read the ticket and it says i have to pay a £70 fine because i parked over two spaces.

Is there anyway i can get out of this or am i going to have to pay the fine?

[Brettles1986]

Can they prove it?

I've heard that private parking firms can't demand money off you so I would ignore it, my brother and a friend have had similar in McDonalds but for staying too long and just sent them a letter telling them to as good as f**k off.

http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/reclaim/private-parking-tickets

[Baz]

Depends what the signs in the car park say about parking over 2 spaces (ie not within the lines)

But more than likely yes you will

[Skitts123]

Apparently the camera do move around in asda but im unsure how to find out if it has seen my car or not

[Tommo87]

Ignore it.

If they pursue it go find a notice within readable distance from where you parked stating that you can't park as you did, if there aren't any there then you're quids in.

[Prickle]

Ive did that a few times and never had a ticket. Loads of people never use a space to themselfs.

i.e

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll70/saxox/coont.jpg

[Skitts123]

Depends what the signs in the car park say about parking over 2 spaces (ie not within the lines)

But more than likely yes you will


It doesn't say anything about parking over the lines. It's just a max stay of 2hours

[Skitts123]

Ive did that a few times and never had a ticket. Loads of people never use a space to themselfs.

i.e

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll70/saxox/coont.jpg


Exactly how i parked

[Brettles1986]

http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/reclaim/private-parking-tickets

CHECK THIS

[blackie_2k5]

If its asda it'll be private company, just ignore it

It is illegal to take two bays though.. Council would take you to court, doesn't stop me doing it ;)

[Giraffe]

normally you can ignore them if they're from a private firm, but I hope they take you to court and win if you do choose to ignore it... I reckon parking over two bays prevents people from dinging your bodywork, but makes it more likely for someone to key your car for being a thoughtless tosser.

[0rang3peel]

you can go two ways with this


1* if it's a private carpark you don't have to pay anyway in certain scenarious
2* if the signs don't mention anything about parking over two lines.

google pepio for advice it's a great sote

[Skitts123]

If its asda it'll be private company, just ignore it

It is illegal to take two bays though.. Council would take you to court, doesn't stop me doing it ;)

The company is TCP and has nothing to do with asda as i spoke to the manager of asda

[MuZiZZle]

The company is TCP and has nothing to do with asda as i spoke to the manager of asda

TCP will persue the debt dude

[Carl-h]

Hope you have to pay every penny tbh. I love keeping my cars mint so park as far from the store as I can and then on an end space at the very edge of the space. Never get knocked. You park like that enough and your car will get keyed, and I wouldn't stop anyone doing it, but I would if someone was bashing their door against your car.

[Ryan]

normally you can ignore them if they're from a private firm, but I hope they take you to court and win if you do choose to ignore it... I reckon parking over two bays prevents people from dinging your bodywork, but makes it more likely for someone to key your car for being a thoughtless tosser.

I loled, So true.

[Skitts123]

TCP will persue the debt dude

Will i have to pay it ?

[Skitts123]

Hope you have to pay every penny tbh. I love keeping my cars mint so park as far from the store as I can and then on an end space at the very edge of the space. Never get knocked. You park like that enough and your car will get keyed, and I wouldn't stop anyone doing it, but I would if someone was bashing their door against your car.

If you park slightly on the white line you can get a ticket as well it's on the back of my form

[MuZiZZle]

Will i have to pay it ?

I payed mine as they just add fees and stuff, there will be a sign as you go into the carpark, go have a shufty

[Randyransford91]

Could you see a sign from where you were parked?

If you could, could you clearly read it from where you were parked?

If you could'nt read it, you can use that against them :)

[Skitts123]

There is a sign but it just says about parking for more than 2 hours. Nothing about parking how i did

[Prickle]

"your car will get keyed" more chance of it getting keyed parked normally.

hehehe whatever mister :homme:

Dont do it all the time but i do leave a big enough gap as i can. I hate door dings.

[Randyransford91]

There is a sign but it just says about parking for more than 2 hours. Nothing about parking how i did

Could you read it from where you were parked?

[MuZiZZle]

Could you see a sign from where you were parked?

If you could, could you clearly read it from where you were parked?

If you could'nt read it, you can use that against them :)

it'll be on the entrance?

would you park on private land without reading signage?

only a fool, breaks the signage reading rule :y:

[Skitts123]

It also says that if i pay within 14 days its £40

[MuZiZZle]

Could you read it from where you were parked?

that's got fuck all to do with anything, the writing can be 2" tall if they like, I'm all up inside Watchdog like a motherfucker

[Brettles1986]

TCP will persue the debt dude

and all you do is ignore it.

[MuZiZZle]

It also says that if i pay within 14 days its £40

Fake your own death?

[Giraffe]

"your car will get keyed" more chance of it getting keyed parked normally.

hehehe whatever mister :homme:

Dont do it all the time but i do leave a big enough gap as i can. I hate door dings.

Afraid it's true, although people might just pity you when they see you do it...

Same goes for people who park in the parent/child spaces or the disabled spaces for the wrong reasons...

[Skitts123]

I think im just going to have to bite the bullet and pay it! That's the dyno outta the window :(

[Prickle]

Same goes for people who park in the parent/child spaces or the disabled spaces for the wrong reasons...

People always do it here :/ with no disabled badge thing.

Bit risky for me il stick with taking 2 spaces...

[Skitts123]

Parking attendants are just failed police man/women IMO

[Brettles1986]

I think im just going to have to bite the bullet and pay it! That's the dyno outta the window :(

Don't give in to peer pressure, you DO NOT need to pay it.

[Skitts123]

Don't give in to peer pressure, you DO NOT need to pay it.

Why don't i need to pay ? I can't see why

[MuZiZZle]

Don't give in to peer pressure, you DO NOT need to pay it.

they'll just add more money to it, then pass it on to a debt colection agency, who MAY I repeat MAY bum him

[Giraffe]

Pay it, you responsibility dodging inconsiderate fool!
applying peer pressure for the lolz

[Randyransford91]

Apparently the camera do move around in asda but im unsure how to find out if it has seen my car or not

Read this:

CCTV

Parking

Cameras used for parking enforcement need to be approved devices

The Civil Enforcement of Parking Contraventions (Approved Devices) (England) Order 2007 (Click here for Wales). In 2011 parking Campaigner Barrie Segal won two cases against Westminster Council as they "failed to show that the CCTV footage was a record produced by an approved device" Search the PATAS site for case references 211000697A and 2110013024.



Paragraph 2c of the schedule to the above order requires that the recording device include a recording system in which "each frame of all captured images is timed (in hours, minutes and seconds), dated and sequentially numbered automatically by means of a visual counter". Check your photos have this.


it'll be on the entrance?

would you park on private land without reading signage?

only a fool, breaks the signage reading rule :y:

that's got fuck all to do with anything, the writing can be 2" tall if they like, I'm all up inside Watchdog like a motherfucker

The Private Parking Company (PPC) must make the terms clear to the user of the car park. Therefore they are obliged to place ample and appropriate signage about the car park to make those persons using the facilities aware of the terms. The signs must be clear and unambiguous and it cannot be obscured, faded, covered up or in any way difficult or impossible to read and understand. Often times those terms will include a provision that if you over stay you will be penalised to the tune of £50, £70 or whatever. They may also include a clause on clamping (I will not be dealing with the issue of clamping in this article). These signs are usually displayed at the pay stations (for pay and display) and for other car parks at the entrance and at intervals about the land. If the car park is improperly signed then immediately the PPC will be in difficulty. Thus when the driver parks the vehicle in the car park and pays or otherwise he accepts by way of his actions and a contract is formed between he and the owner of the land.

A BPA-approved operator since 1994, Excel operate a car park at the popular Peel retail centre in Stockport. It was here that motorist Martin Cutts parked in March 2010. Martin told us that he thought it would be free to park there, since he believed most big shopping centres didn't charge for their parking. He was quite surprised to get back to his car and find a £100 parking ticket on the windscreen.

The average drive may have just paid up, but Martin was no average driver. As managing director of the Plain Language Commission, his job is to campaign for clear wording and simple language, and he's a bit of an expert when it comes to signs. The BPA Code of Practice states that car park signs must be clear and visible - so that drivers have a chance to understand the terms and charges that apply.

Martin investigated, and found the sign at the entrance to the car park. While it does state that the car park is pay and display, the lettering is just 13mm high and sandwiched amongst many other lines of text. He felt that when driving past at 10mph, you couldn't be expected to read it. When he appealed Excel rejected it, and when he refused to pay again, they took him to court - and lost.

The judge visited the car park herself and agreed that there weren't clear signs to warn drivers that they needed to pay & display, dismissing Excel's claim and ordering the company to pay Martin's expenses


:hug:

[MuZiZZle]

Read this:

CCTV

Parking

Cameras used for parking enforcement need to be approved devices

The Civil Enforcement of Parking Contraventions (Approved Devices) (England) Order 2007 (Click here for Wales). In 2011 parking Campaigner Barrie Segal won two cases against Westminster Council as they "failed to show that the CCTV footage was a record produced by an approved device" Search the PATAS site for case references 211000697A and 2110013024.



Paragraph 2c of the schedule to the above order requires that the recording device include a recording system in which "each frame of all captured images is timed (in hours, minutes and seconds), dated and sequentially numbered automatically by means of a visual counter". Check your photos have this.






The Private Parking Company (PPC) must make the terms clear to the user of the car park. Therefore they are obliged to place ample and appropriate signage about the car park to make those persons using the facilities aware of the terms. The signs must be clear and unambiguous and it cannot be obscured, faded, covered up or in any way difficult or impossible to read and understand. Often times those terms will include a provision that if you over stay you will be penalised to the tune of £50, £70 or whatever. They may also include a clause on clamping (I will not be dealing with the issue of clamping in this article). These signs are usually displayed at the pay stations (for pay and display) and for other car parks at the entrance and at intervals about the land. If the car park is improperly signed then immediately the PPC will be in difficulty. Thus when the driver parks the vehicle in the car park and pays or otherwise he accepts by way of his actions and a contract is formed between he and the owner of the land.

A BPA-approved operator since 1994, Excel operate a car park at the popular Peel retail centre in Stockport. It was here that motorist Martin Cutts parked in March 2010. Martin told us that he thought it would be free to park there, since he believed most big shopping centres didn't charge for their parking. He was quite surprised to get back to his car and find a £100 parking ticket on the windscreen.

The average drive may have just paid up, but Martin was no average driver. As managing director of the Plain Language Commission, his job is to campaign for clear wording and simple language, and he's a bit of an expert when it comes to signs. The BPA Code of Practice states that car park signs must be clear and visible - so that drivers have a chance to understand the terms and charges that apply.

Martin investigated, and found the sign at the entrance to the car park. While it does state that the car park is pay and display, the lettering is just 13mm high and sandwiched amongst many other lines of text. He felt that when driving past at 10mph, you couldn't be expected to read it. When he appealed Excel rejected it, and when he refused to pay again, they took him to court - and lost.

The judge visited the car park herself and agreed that there weren't clear signs to warn drivers that they needed to pay & display, dismissing Excel's claim and ordering the company to pay Martin's expenses


:hug:

that's bollocks, anyone can write anything on the internet!

I have a tiny penis!

see

trollololol

however

Ticket in a private car park?... DON'T PAY IT! These supposed fines are the new Wild West - cowboys at supermarkets or housing estates - they're often unenforceable...they have no power to fine. (Martin Lewis 2009).

[Skitts123]

Im getting really confused, do i pay or not? Iwas thinking about writing them a letter and seeing where that gets me

[Randyransford91]

I have a tiny penis!

Prove it?
Seriously.

Anyway said link(s) to the webpages...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/watchdog/2012/04/excel_parking.html

http://www.ticketfighter.co.uk/home.htm

[Skitts123]

Just seen this as well. http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?318967-Parking-ticket-at-asda

[Brettles1986]

Just seen this as well. http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?318967-Parking-ticket-at-asda

We have only been telling you this for the last half hour!

[Randyransford91]

We have only been telling you this for the last half hour!

*facepalm*

[Skitts123]

I'm going to do nothing, Hoping nothing will happen about it.

[MuZiZZle]

I'm going to do nothing, Hoping nothing will happen about it.

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/003/758/Rape-Ewok-PREPARE-YOUR-ANUS.jpg

[Prickle]

I'm going to do nothing, Hoping nothing will happen about it.

Funny thing is :homme: in your avatar you've parked in the space properly

Lolol..

[Skitts123]

Funny thing is :homme: in your avatar you've parked in the space properly

Lolol..

I was sitting in it and could keep an eye on it :)

[Chris_]

I usually do that since one of my doors already has a ding from someone in a car park, depends on the car park though. If it's busy obviously I won't.

To be fair if the car park was empty was it necessary to take 2 bays? still a bit harsh issuing a ticket if it was practically empty.

If you don't pay it you will probably be harassed with letters, not sure if they can affect your credit rating but worth looking in to.

[Giraffe]

I usually do that since one of my doors already has a ding from someone in a car park, depends on the car park though. If it's busy obviously I won't.

To be fair if the car park was empty was it necessary to take 2 bays? still a bit harsh issuing a ticket if it was practically empty.

If you don't pay it you will probably be harassed with letters, not sure if they can affect your credit rating but worth looking in to.

If the car park isn't busy though, then what's the point in taking up 2 spaces? :wacko:

[Brettles1986]

If the car park isn't busy though, then what's the point in taking up 2 spaces? :wacko:

Depends how long you are there, there's a good chance it will soon fill up im guessing. At least where I live parking is free so that is definitely the case.

[Carl-h]

If you park slightly on the white line you can get a ticket as well it's on the back of my form

I doubt they'd do me if I parked on the line on an end bay. Usually there's a curb which I get a few millimetres from.

"your car will get keyed" more chance of it getting keyed parked normally.

hehehe whatever mister :homme:

Dont do it all the time but i do leave a big enough gap as i can. I hate door dings.

If it was Christmas and I had waited 20 minutes to park and a prick like you used 2 bays I'd most likely key cunt into your bonnet.

It's not like I couldn't care less about door dings, I'm the most anal person there is about it, but I'll never park across 2 bays.

[Prickle]

If it was Christmas and I had waited 20 minutes to park and a prick like you used 2 bays I'd most likely key cunt into your bonnet.



Yeah ok badman ;)

[Ross]

TCP will persue the debt dude

With who? The registered keeper? Good for them. The registered keeper wasn't driving. Someone else was. Who you ask? None of your fucking business I say. :)

Private car park company. Two options.

1. Ignore. They'll give up after this:

http://www.violetmount.com/scam.jpg

2. Wait for letter to registered keeper. Reply with "I'm the registered keeper, and I wasn't driving. You need to take it up with the driver. No, I won't give you their details..." Cya. Then see option 1 above.

[Bound]

They can't prove you were driving, it 'wasn't you', you don't have to pay.

[dondan]

They only get money from gullible people, they can't do shit realistically :). The best the store can do is remove your right of entry to ASDA premises, but they won't do that as you spend your money there!

[blackie_2k5]

normally you can ignore them if they're from a private firm, but I hope they take you to court and win if you do choose to ignore it... I reckon parking over two bays prevents people from dinging your bodywork, but makes it more likely for someone to key your car for being a thoughtless tosser.

I loled, So true.

Indeed... Ive seen ppl do similar


That's why when I do it I park miles away at the back so they're too lazy to walk over :cool:

[blackie_2k5]

Also

That's the company that gave me one foar asda at Washington.. Needed to pop in for 2 seconds to get a bank card one night

So I parked in one of the 25+ disabled bays (that were all empty as it was late night at winter)

Came back out and the wanker had blasted a ticket on my van and bailed! £100 fine lol

Never paid it

[OMGASAXO]

We were bored at work prety much fuck all to do so kept slapping fake Parkin tickets on cars that parked on the yellow lines while they nip into the shop to grab some fags or whatever, just to see the luck on their faces. Some just sat in the car starring at it for 5 mins and some just drove off and one just chucked it in the road lool... Busy guy me...

[Manu]

just to see the luck on their faces.

http://m5.paperblog.com/i/17/172927/condescending-wonka-doesnt-think-much-of-you--L-AR7kD7.jpeg


Busy guy me...



http://m5.paperblog.com/i/17/172927/condescending-wonka-doesnt-think-much-of-you--L-AR7kD7.jpeg

[MuZiZZle]

With who? The registered keeper? Good for them. The registered keeper wasn't driving. Someone else was. Who you ask? None of your fucking business I say. :)

Private car park company. Two options.

1. Ignore. They'll give up after this:

http://www.violetmount.com/scam.jpg

2. Wait for letter to registered keeper. Reply with "I'm the registered keeper, and I wasn't driving. You need to take it up with the driver. No, I won't give you their details..." Cya. Then see option 1 above.

Calm down darling, I wasn't being srs, srsly

[Ross]

Calm down darling, I wasn't being srs, srsly

Was lolling at your lolz. Srsly. :hug:

[MuZiZZle]

Was lolling at your lolz. Srsly. :hug:

Srs? Lolz

[Skitts123]

Cheers lads you lot have saved me £40 :)

[Brettles1986]

I'll take my 10% via post

[devilsadvocate]

I read on a money saving forum that only the council can give you a parking ticket which is legally enforcable?

If true i guess you can ignore it but you risk a clamp if you use a TCP car park in future.

Would you want to worry about getting clamped in every car park you go to because you are unsure who 'patrols' it?

I would pay it and be more careful in future, parking over two bays is taking the piss to be honest. Especially is a supermarket as they tend to be busy.

[craig180]

Not going to read the thread because I know there will be loads of misinformation...

Instead, read this:

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=197040

Ignore the fine or write back telling them to suck on your chocolate salty balls.

[Ross]

If you think I stalk saxp Craig, you should see how much I'm on CAG. I've covered it off already, don't worry. ;)

OP I believe will be taking option one : The Sucking of the Chocolate Salty Balls.

[Brettles1986]

If you think I stalk saxp Craig, you should see how much I'm on CAG. I've covered it off already, don't worry. ;)

OP I believe will be taking option one : The Sucking of the Chocolate Salty Balls.

That was option two !

What is CAG?

[MuZiZZle]

That was option two !

What is CAG?

Cocksuckers & Gaylords?

[Ross]

Consumer Action Group (forums)

Muz, your CAG internet bookmark is one you can keep to yourself ta.

[devilsadvocate]

What happens if they decide to clamp him though if he parks in another TCP car park?

Would the police do anything or simply say its a civil matter and he will have to claim the costs back through the court?

[mechsman]

I was going to point the op in the direction of the CAG forums if someone hadn't already.

devilsadvocate: Clamping is soon to be illegal in England (might already be actually). If they clamp him he will need to call the police and tell them that the car is being falsely imprisioned.

I have literally 20 or 30 parking tickets from a company that patrols the carpark where I park on a daily basis. I've paid precisely nothing on any of them, and they haven't even bothered sending any paperwork after the initial ticket on the windscreen.

Different company that did bother after I wrote back (i wrote before finding CAG) effectively got told to do one after the 5th letter. Never had any comeback from that either.

Basically, unless the ticket says the EXACT words: PENALTY CHARGE NOTICE across the top, and is issued by the council, you are pretty safe ignoring it. Only possible exceptions are potentially in a hospital or railway station car park as these potentially come under different legislation.

[Skitts123]

Should i get a picture of my ticket and you can have a look ?

[Giraffe]

Should i get a picture of my ticket and you can have a look ?

No, it's not from the council. Ignore it, you seem to be good enough at ignoring all the advice you're getting so you shouldn't have any trouble!

[Ross]

Should i get a picture of my ticket and you can have a look ?

go for it. But if it was in a private car park it's worthless. ignore.

Remember like I've said though, you WILL get threatening letters. Serious looking scary ones. The last few might even have RED TEXT on them to be really scary. Threats. Debt collectors. CCJ's. Bailiffs. Prison. Jail time with Gibbo in a 8x6 cell and only one bunk and a bar of soap. Seriously scary stuff. But pointless as unenforceable :)

[Brettles1986]

go for it. But if it was in a private car park it's worthless. ignore.

Remember like I've said though, you WILL get threatening letters. Serious looking scary ones. The last few might even have RED TEXT on them to be really scary. Threats. Debt collectors. CCJ's. Bailiffs. Prison. Jail time with Gibbo in a 8x6 cell and only one bunk and a bar of soap. Seriously scary stuff. But pointless as unenforceable :)

Fucking LOL

Where do I sign?

[Skitts123]

No, it's not from the council. Ignore it, you seem to be good enough at ignoring all the advice you're getting so you shouldn't have any trouble!

There's people telling me different things and i don't want to have a pick up a hefty fine that's all.

[Giraffe]

There's people telling me different things and i don't want to have a pick up a hefty fine that's all.

I was telling you different things, but seriously, you're alright to ignore it.

[Ross]

There's people telling me different things and i don't want to have a pick up a hefty fine that's all.

Do your own research. Did you read any of the Consumer Action Group links? (I guess not?)

[MuZiZZle]

I hear you get a CCJ and it messes up your credt score, and you get squaids!

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Squaids_f751df_227116.jpg

[Skitts123]

Do your own research. Did you read any of the Consumer Action Group links? (I guess not?)

I have read some of it yeah and also done my own research.

[Skitts123]

http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x359/Sam_Skittrall/IMG_1290.jpg

http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x359/Sam_Skittrall/IMG_1291.jpg

[Ross]

I have read some of it yeah and also done my own research.

but still you ask saxo drivers... ;)

[Skitts123]

but still you ask saxo drivers... ;)

106 ;)

[Brettles1986]

106 ;)

Your still asking Saxo owners :clapping:

[Skitts123]

Your still asking Saxo owners :clapping:

Yeah i no because the 106 don't help you with anything. Much better forum IMO

[Brettles1986]

Yeah i no because the 106 don't help you with anything. Much better forum IMO

Good man! You are a man right?

[Skitts123]

Good man! You are a man right?

Indeed :)

[mechsman]

Should i get a picture of my ticket and you can have a look ?

Read my post, does it say the EXACT words PENALTY CHARGE NOTICE across the top? If not, ignore it, easy!

[MuZiZZle]

you're shit at parking like Sam!

http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x359/Sam_Skittrall/IMG_1206.jpg

[Skitts123]

you're shit at parking like Sam!

http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x359/Sam_Skittrall/IMG_1206.jpg

Haha! Cheers mate ;) That's on 106oc i think that picture unless you have been stalking my facebook :/

[Zander123]

tell them to fuck of mate private parking firms there full of shit

[Ryanoo]

If it aint police of council don't pay it, as long as it says Charge not fine, no need to pay.

Speaking from experience I got 2 PCNs last year, one in ASDA Newquay now I think about it and one near me, both sent a crap load of threatening letters about don't ignore us, don't listen to sites advising you to ignore us, blah blah.. I went on a site, forget the name it's a big one and they all advised to ignore it, so I ignored both (this was last August and July respectively), haven't heard from them for months... March I think... Last one threatened court and bailiffs and I had 7 days to reply, then nothing lol.