Saxo VTS Better than A Fiesta Zetec S

[woodall92]

Hi, Im new on this forum and ive owned a fiesta zetec s for the last 6 months. Ive had quite a few problems with it and im in the process of selling it. I put the puma engine in mine and had full exhaust system with a decat, it was running 129bhp. Recently my girlfriend bought a saxo vtr and shes had no problems with it and its a nice car, Ive had a drive of it and it handles just like a go kart! Ive had a quick look around at vts's and found a few alot cheaper than what ive got mine for sale for, so im seriously considering one. Im just wondering power wise handleing and everything would it be a step up from a fiesta or am i just buying the same type of car and should aim higher? Im in the process of saving for a civic type r in january so its only gonna be till then. Thanks

[CrouchyM]

VTS>Puma'd Fiesta.

In every way.

My 16v'd VTR canned the shit out my mates puma'd fez.

/Thread

[jasonmayall]

I had a Zetec-s then went to a VTr - I miss my Zetec a LOT more than my saxo lol

[woodall92]

What i was thinking im in 2 minds on getting one or not. It would definatly be the vts. from what Ive read aswell theyre very cheap to modify. I just dont want to be thinking ive down graded.

[woodall92]

heres my fiesta: http://i907.photobucket.com/albums/ac276/woodall92/20120912_083456.jpg

[Giraffe]

Why not just wait the 3 months to get a type-r?

[CrouchyM]

If you do Mani + full exhaust + decent intake you can see 130-35bhp ish BHP at fly.

[jasonmayall]

You could just get a VTS, leave it standard until January - sell it and get a type r?
Win win really?
the Zetec looks nice though. my mate had a red one, but i do prefer the imp's

[woodall92]

well i need to get rid of the fiesta as its burning a hole in my pocket with its problems. But i want a decent run around for a bit something thats not slow! and something thats easy to sell when the time comes to get a type r

[woodall92]

You could just get a VTS, leave it standard until January - sell it and get a type r?
Win win really?
the Zetec looks nice though. my mate had a red one, but i do prefer the imp's

Thats what i want to do, but ive said im not doing anything to this car to all the cars ive owned then i get the bug lol. but what ever happens i want a civic for when im 21

[Brettles1986]

Saxos are not quite as reliable as you may think. (dependant on how they have been treated of course)

Personally I would move onto VAG and reduce the likely hood of problems.

Polo GTI maybe??

[woodall92]

I was considering a mk3 golf gti, they can be picked up very cheap now. and polo gtis are very hard to find in decent condition, my mate just bought one for 2500 and thats got issues, i only want to spend what i get for my fiesta then im not touching my civic fund.

[Giraffe]

get a VTS then...

[Brettles1986]

get a VTS then...

So blunt but usually correct.

I love you dave!

[welshpug]

Saxos are not quite as reliable as you may think. (dependant on how they have been treated of course)

Personally I would move onto VAG and reduce the likely hood of problems.

Polo GTI maybe??

LMAO.

VW's are just as bad if not worse, chocolate boxes, expensive parts.

[harry289]

My Pumesta...

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/b462/harry28991/P1000570.jpg

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/b462/harry28991/P1000613.jpg

My VTS..

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/b462/harry28991/P1010106.jpg

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/b462/harry28991/P1010115.jpg

VTS in my opinion is better in every way. Acceleration, power delivery and is better handling that the fiesta by far.

Had a couple of problems with the Fiesta, no problems with the 4 Saxo's I've had.

Sorry in advance for the ASW.

[woodall92]

Think i will. one more thing, how are they on fuel? gf's vtr is very good on fuel

[woodall92]

My Pumesta...

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/b462/harry28991/P1000570.jpg

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/b462/harry28991/P1000613.jpg

My VTS..

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/b462/harry28991/P1010106.jpg

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/b462/harry28991/P1010115.jpg

VTS in my opinion is better in every way. Acceleration, power delivery and is better handling that the fiesta by far.

Had a couple of problems with the Fiesta, no problems with the 4 Saxo's I've had.

Sorry in advance for the ASW.

That fiesta is sex,, love it ! but that vts was owned by jamie on zsoc and thats the one that made me start looking at saxos, its really nice. So you think theyre a lot better?

[harry289]

Had a 3 VTR's. Get 430-450 miles in them per 45 litre tank. VTR is the best value for money car in the Saxo range. Cheaper tax, cheaper insurance, 45/46mpg normal driving, engines feel strong, never had a problem with them

Got the VTS now and get 330-360 miles per tank. More expensive on tax and little bit more to insure. But the sound is awesome and you can feel the extra power top end in the rev range.

And yeah it's Jamie's old one :)

[woodall92]

my gfs was more to tax than my fiesta which suprised me. 330 to a tank thats very good considering I get 200 from a tank no matter how i drive lol.

Its very nice, would love to find one that well looked after.

[harry289]

It's for sale...

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/4190972.htm

[woodall92]

out of my price range unless you remove a few bits for standard parts ;)

[Brettles1986]

LMAO.

VW's are just as bad if not worse, chocolate boxes, expensive parts.

I've had my golf 9 months now and have decided to change parts on it rather than needing them, on the saxo it was a matter of fix it because it's broke and it happened often over the same period.

[Jay_T87]

my gfs was more to tax than my fiesta which suprised me. 330 to a tank thats very good considering I get 200 from a tank no matter how i drive lol.

Its very nice, would love to find one that well looked after.

200 on a tank? What the hell are you driving? A Ford GT?!?

[Brettles1986]

200 on a tank? What the hell are you driving? A Ford GT?!?

My golf returns not far off that :panic:

[Karlb1]

Vts is better than ZS in every way as people have already pointed out. Better response from engine and handling, smoother power delivery. Heck, when I had my 16v conversion done me and Dom had a little play with a fiesta ST and that couldn't even pull away. Every other dick around here has a ZS, usually imp blue. While they can look smart, they all look the same to me.
A ZS is on par with a VTR power wise, but I'd still have the VTR for handling.

And as with the fuel return you're getting that's shit. My 16v conversion would get just under 400 mile per tank. Even my Toyota MR2 gets around 280-320 a tank without driving carefully.

[DUFC]

Saxo VTS Better than A Fiesta Zetec S

Yes...

[Jamie]

Owned both as you know,

My Old ZS

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3562/3803627740_e3e2017fda_o.jpg

Had loads of bits waiting to be fitted,

AVO GTZ Coilies
Kent cams
MSD chip
Full miltek to go on including fani mould

I jumped ship as I realised all that would make it on par with a breathered VTS maybe a little quicker.

No point adding pics of the VTS haha.

If I was you I'd wait and buy the Type R. No point spending the money car will only de-value, save the extra pennies for a better Type R.

[MuZiZZle]

^ I'm with stupid

save up for a Type R!

[Prickle]

If I was you I'd wait and buy the Type R. No point spending the money car will only de-value, save the extra pennies for a better Type R.

Type Rs de-value aswell....

pretty sure some are at 2.5k .

[blackie_2k5]

My old vtr used to push Zetec s along

[rey]

Type Rs de-value aswell....

pretty sure some are at 2.5k .

Early snotters are in that range...

[Prickle]

Early snotters are in that range...

Just saying though, Lol.

[Jamie]

^ I'm with stupid

save up for a Type R!

Motherfucker lol

Type Rs de-value aswell....

pretty sure some are at 2.5k .

Yeah but come on John, look at Saxo's.

Don't get me wrong I like them, hell I love one in particular. They are worth pennies now days.

Type R would have to be at the lower end of the spectrum to be in the same price range dude.

[manta]

I've had 5 saxos and I've never really had any problems worth shouting about.

Get a vts.

[Prickle]

Motherfucker lol



Yeah but come on John, look at Saxo's.

Don't get me wrong I like them, hell I love one in particular. They are worth pennies now days.

Type R would have to be at the lower end of the spectrum to be in the same price range dude.

I know its argument id rather not get in. :homme:

... but they're Heading the same way, rather quick. Just like the 1*2s

[blackie_2k5]

Often see 172's under 1k now

[Giraffe]

My little bro just picked up a 172 for £1k from Sunderland. It's in alright condition, nout to shout and scream about like. Funny colour though...

[rey]

Just saying though, Lol.

Cute.

I've had 5 saxos and I've never really had any problems worth shouting about.

Get a vts.

My VTS put me into nigh on £1000 of debt within the first 6 months of me owning it.

My VTR broke far too often aswell.

Neither of my cars after that has had a problem, any problem is worth shouting about.

[blackie_2k5]

My little bro just picked up a 172 for £1k from Sunderland. It's in alright condition, nout to shout and scream about like. Funny colour though...

Loads of them kicking around my way for about that no

Seen a 1 for 850 a few weeks back, 70k

Just needed the bonnet spraying as it had a replacement in a diff colour

[Jamie]

I know its argument id rather not get in. :homme:

... but they're Heading the same way, rather quick. Just like the 1*2s

I see what you're saying but this can only further devalue the Saxo's.

Only the strong examples of Saxo's will retain a certain degree of value at the point when these let's face it far better cars enter their price range.

[Mochachino]

I would get the VTS, but miss out your Type R IF its the EP3 you are after. they're good cars, but a money pit. Their value has plummeted which is good for buyers, but theres alot for sale and hard to sell yours once you have finished with it. I see the Type R going in the same direction as the Saxo a few years ago, and look at their value now.

[manta]

Cute.



My VTS put me into nigh on £1000 of debt within the first 6 months of me owning it.

My VTR broke far too often aswell.

Neither of my cars after that has had a problem, any problem is worth shouting about.

Must just be luck and a certain degree of mechanical sympathy.

[rey]

The VTR possibly for a couple of things, not for the majority.

The VTS no, was an utter nail, not dissimilar to VTS' owned by friends of mine.

[Giraffe]

My VTR had been ragged and poorly modified, was on like 120k+ with no service history, and didn't let me down once... The manifold cracked but was cheap enough to replace, which I ended up replacing the full engine anyway cos it was so cheap, and also replaced the exhaust for a supersprint, but other than that, it was spot on... I think it's just luck.

[Gandi699]

Its like anything start high, dip so all the morons can afford them and write them off then go back up again.

[Jamie]

I'd just like to add.

The only issue I've had with a Saxo was...

Fuses going in my VTR as I used cheap replacements while doing audio install & the exhaust on my VTR went.

VTS was fucking EPIC.

No issues, great mpg & uber quick for a 1.6.

[woodall92]

Thanks for the replies everyone :) I'm quite fancying a vts now from what's been said. Ive found a decent one on piston heads and its 995 62k on it and its in the colour I want :) ill put a link up see what you guys think.

[woodall92]

http://mobile.pistonheads.com/sales/4235239.htm that's the car. I'm on my mobile

[Jamie]

I recommended saving for a Type R lol.

Seriously if in January you are planning a Type R just wait, they will drop in price too as christmas is a time for giving!

[Prickle]

http://mobile.pistonheads.com/sales/4235239.htm that's the car. I'm on my mobile

rare optional extras for example electric mirrors** Lol.

It has reverse rake aswell. fml.

[CrouchyM]

Just get a type R, save up and dont get a dog. You will NOT regret it!

[smiith]

I'd get a VTS every time.. Nicer interior, better power to weight, better delivery, id go as far as saying far more replacement/mod parts for better prices too!

[harry289]

I'd just like to add.

The only issue I've had with a Saxo was...

Fuses going in my VTR as I used cheap replacements while doing audio install & the exhaust on my VTR went.

VTS was fucking EPIC.

No issues, great mpg & uber quick for a 1.6.

The VTS is pretty awesome. I love driving it. It gets driven 40 - 50 miles 3 days a week and I look forward to it each time :)

[Prickle]

I'd get a VTS every time.. Nicer interior, better power to weight, better delivery, id go as far as saying far more replacement/mod parts for better prices too!

Ive noticed in a couple of FS threads you might be after another, ay ;)

[deans2k8]

http://i993.photobucket.com/albums/af53/deans2k6/IMG_20110902_185229.jpg
http://i993.photobucket.com/albums/af53/deans2k6/IMG_20110902_185204.jpg
http://i993.photobucket.com/albums/af53/deans2k6/IMG_20110902_185153.jpg
http://i993.photobucket.com/albums/af53/deans2k6/IMG_20110902_185238.jpg

My old Panther Zs i do miss it, but i think in comparison the saxo is a much nicer car more fun to drive but the zs does have the better build quality but not by much!

[Ashleyp]

I would get the VTS, but miss out your Type R IF its the EP3 you are after. they're good cars, but a money pit. Their value has plummeted which is good for buyers, but theres alot for sale and hard to sell yours once you have finished with it. I see the Type R going in the same direction as the Saxo a few years ago, and look at their value now.

The EP3 price is plummeting, but the saxo doesn't exactly hold it's value...

to the OP: EP3 > mk3 golf = VTS > Fiesta (condition of the car dependant obv)

[GolfJay]

The EP3 price is plummeting, but the saxo doesn't exactly hold it's value...

to the OP: EP3 > mk3 golf = VTS > Fiesta (condition of the car dependant obv)

Unless the Mk3 Golf is a VR6 I wouldn't even bother. And lets face it, if it IS the VR6 then the VTS and Fiesta aren't even in the same league!

[Ashleyp]

Unless the Mk3 Golf is a VR6 I wouldn't even bother. And lets face it, if it IS the VR6 then the VTS and Fiesta aren't even in the same league!

The 16v GTi isn't a bad car at all. People always dismiss them as slow and heavy, when in reality they're fairly nippy, not that heavy and offer more comforts inside than a saxo will.

Even the 8v isn't bad, although VTR pace...

Older cars now though, so a host of problems potentially await...

I still say the EP3 is the 'best' of that selection. Mk3 and VTS are equal IMO, both offer slightly different qualitys which may sway the OP.

Edit, something else to consider would be a 306 gti / rallye. IMO, a better car than the saxo, it's added size adds for a nicer ride i think. although that opens a tonne of debates on 306 vs 172 blah blah.

[Gandi699]

wouldnt touch an 8v mk3 golf myself, a friend of mine has one and to me it doesnt deserve to wear a GTi badge - feels very lardy indeed but the 16v is probably slightly better due to the lowered ride height and more power. VR6 would be nice though just for that sound

[Manu]

Thanks for the replies everyone :) I'm quite fancying a vts now from what's been said. Ive found a decent one on piston heads and its 995 62k on it and its in the colour I want :) ill put a link up see what you guys think.

http://mobile.pistonheads.com/sales/4235239.htm that's the car. I'm on my mobile

SOLD

This car is no longer available.

_______

[Jamie]

I would love a mint VR6 defo over a VTS. I'd also sooner a MK2 GTI.

Not many mint Saxo's around anymore and in the dub scene alot look after them.

If you get a paxo these are the colours to buy in;

Ice Grey - Last of the run 52-53 don't think I've seen any older than a 52
Black - Rare in good nick (as if Saxo's aren't already) everyone loves a black car
Posi Blue (At one point pretty sure this was the general fav colour, VTS would be super rare in good nick)
Wicked Red - Quite rare but they do pop up on PH often and some in good nick.
Mauritius & Green - Green super doopa rare, Mauritius not as rare but still not that many knocking about in good nick.

White - You'll be lucky

[Prickle]

EZRC aswell. ;)

EYCC seems to be common..

[Gandi699]

Phoenix Bronze has got to be the rarest colour

[Ashleyp]

I would love a mint VR6 defo over a VTS. I'd also sooner a MK2 GTI.

Not many mint Saxo's around anymore and in the dub scene alot look after them.

If you get a paxo these are the colours to buy in;

Ice Grey - Last of the run 52-53 don't think I've seen any older than a 52
Black - Rare in good nick (as if Saxo's aren't already) everyone loves a black car
Posi Blue (At one point pretty sure this was the general fav colour, VTS would be super rare in good nick)
Wicked Red - Quite rare but they do pop up on PH often and some in good nick.
Mauritius & Green - Green super doopa rare, Mauritius not as rare but still not that many knocking about in good nick.

White - You'll be lucky

The OP should base his decision on your likes?

EZRC aswell. ;)

EYCC seems to be common..

Arctic steel was only on post 2002 VTS', as far as i'm aware. Quartz was the silver of choice since the dawn of the saxo (and probably before) hence it is more common.

[Jamie]

Phoenix Bronze has got to be the rarest colour

Probably is, I had to search it to see what you meant lol

Although in Mk2's I'd say my list is pretty bang on those are the hot colours.

Gold and Silver aren't my thing, but gold is fast becoming rare too.

[Prickle]

Phoenix Bronze has got to be the rarest colour

I think ive only seen one in person but thats a good while ago. Same with the Mecury? Grey another one to take a punt at if its in good condition


Arctic steel was only on post 2002 VTS', as far as i'm aware. Quartz was the silver of choice since the dawn of the saxo (and probably before) hence it is more common.

Oh i see.

:D

[Jamie]

The OP should base his decision on your likes?

No where did I say that? Don't put words in to my mouth.

I'm just saying they are the colours to get... What colour would you get that's not on my list?

I've given my opinion on the rarity.

Let's face it bar a few colours I've listed all of the Mk2 colours Saxo's are available in?

[Ashleyp]

No where did I say that? Don't put words in to my mouth.

I'm just saying they are the colours to get... What colour would you get that's not on my list?

I've given my opinion on the rarity.

Let's face it bar a few colours I've listed all of the Mk2 colours Saxo's are available in?

"these are the colours to buy in". If you didn't want it to be interpreted as "you should buy these colours", then you'd have said "I like these colours".

That's how the English language works.

[rey]

I've only ever seen one bronze mk1, lush colour.

I'd have my woodland green mk2 back in a heartbeat though. Loved that car/colour.

[Jamie]

"these are the colours to buy in". If you didn't want it to be interpreted as "you should buy these colours", then you'd have said "I like these colours".

That's how the English language works.

I think the way you could interpret that is down to the reader. I think it's obvious how I meant it. I'm sorry I should have been clearer for you Ashley. Unsure why you even bothered posting about it tbh.

Generally people buy the colours I listed. Hense' "these are the colours to buy in"

Unless you like the few I didn't mention.


I'm sorry Ashley.

[mlawlan69]

my cars an 02 and icelandic, granted its a furio....

registered may 2002 so the 5th month, maybe why?

however i must say colour of car is as important as anything these days, i specifically held out for an icelandic one as it was the colour i wanted.

[Ashleyp]

I think the way you could interpret that is down to the reader. I think it's obvious how I meant it. I'm sorry I should have been clearer for you Ashley. Unsure why you even bothered posting about it tbh.

Generally people buy the colours I listed. Hense' "these are the colours to buy in"

Unless you like the few I didn't mention.


I'm sorry Ashley.

Damn straight you're sorry, and don't you forget it.

[Tommo87]

People should realise there is a difference between a rare car that is desirable and a car that's rare because its in a shit colour, if its a shit colour then it's rare because nobody wanted it no other reason.

[Gandi699]

that gold on saxos is a shit colour imo

[Ashleyp]

that gold on saxos is a shit colour imo

+1. was probs pretty cool to people in their early 20's when it came out though '99.

Although, by that theory... orange / green etc should look cool on the focus RS' lol. personal preference and all that jazz, but to me they look gash.

[Prickle]

that gold on saxos is a shit colour imo

I agree :/

Not Gold Saxo i like so far.

Feel free to prove me wrong ect :oops: ;)

[Ryan]

On the subject of colour, gold/mango/icelandic ghey look utter shit.

[Gumbo]

are two tones rare?

[Ryan]

are two tones rare?

Not as people think.

They were only on mk2s but there were quite a few sold.

[DeanAngell1234]

Not as people think.

They were only on mk2s but there were quite a few sold.

Dunno why tbh, personally I think it looks unfinished lol

[Mochachino]

Ive been reading on another forum that a Zetec S was built to compete with the VTR, but obviously the Fiesta owners are claiming its as quick than the VTS lol, the Zetec S are rather slow, on par with a VTR. But you probably wouldnt buy a fiesta for any of that but to go to the post office to claim your pension.