Front End Weight Loss!

[RickP]

As title really, would like some suggestions for loosing some more weight from the front of the car. I've already removed dash, heater + matrix, washer bottle, front fogs, horn and was thinking of putting a lightweight racing battery in the rear of the car. I can go as extreme as you like! As its not going to be used on the road. Just want to try and balance the weight out a bit more as I'm sure I've removed quite a bit more weight from the rear.
Thanks in advance!

[Mochachino]

Get rid of the PAS, smaller rad, slimline fan, sound deadening and insulation,surprised you havent said that one already. Carbon or fibreglass bonnet, bonnet clip rather than the mechanism.

[Bedford126]

Pas removal removes a lot of weight up front.
Also the standard fan can be removed and a slim line fan fitted such as a spal. Washer bottle relocated into car.
That's about it really.

[RickP]

Get rid of the PAS, smaller rad, slimline fan, sound deadening and insulation,surprised you havent said that one already. Carbon or fibreglass bonnet, bonnet clip rather than the mechanism.

Yeah sorry, forgot to say removed sound deadening. Don't know if I could live without the PAS really. Radiator is a nissen alloy one and is pretty light. Fibreglass bonnet and bonnet clips shall go on the list buddy, need more funds though! Was thinking of going at it with a hole saw too, but not sure what's safe to cut away without weakening stuff to much

[Mochachino]

Considering you are not using your car on the road then the PAS wont be a problem, once you get rid of the PAS you wouldn't want to go back to having it again.

[RickP]

Considering you are not using your car on the road then the PAS wont be a problem, once you get rid of the PAS you wouldn't want to go back to having it again.

Really, would I need a new steering rack or can I just remove the hydraulics off the existing?

[Mochachino]

Remove the pump and the high and low pressure pipes then job done. I think you remove the ram too, cant remember now.

[LSOfreak]

if you remove the pump and dont fit a non pas rack, it is fucking horrible to drive with

[RickP]

Surely the ram must be one of the heaviest bits though?

[LSOfreak]

also, might sound extreme, but if you say its not a road car, anything stopping you from removing the headlights and fitting blanks?

[RickP]

also, might sound extreme, but if you say its not a road car, anything stopping you from removing the headlights and fitting blanks?

Maybe, may need to use the lights in the winter or bad weather etc though

[Bedford126]

if you remove the pump and dont fit a non pas rack, it is fucking horrible to drive with

This is just not true. Removing all pas the ram and everything gives a better feel and is just the same feeling as a non pas rack.

[Rhysupply]

You can get fibreglass wings aswel mate :)

[Dave_P]

You must remove the ram if you do away with the rest of the PAS gubbins.

I run slicks now and find the rear wheels lift off the ground if i brake hard!

[RickP]

You can get fibreglass wings aswel mate :)

Really, any idea were from?

[RickP]

You must remove the ram if you do away with the rest of the PAS gubbins.

I run slicks now and find the rear wheels lift off the ground if i brake hard!

How do you find the steering feel on track with no PAS, is it quick enough?

[RickP]

Has anyone got a rough idea how much weight can be lost by removing the PAS?

[Dave_P]

How do you find the steering feel on track with no PAS, is it quick enough?

Its as quick as it was with PAS only heavier...

Has anyone got a rough idea how much weight can be lost by removing the PAS?

Pump weighs a shit load.

[RickP]

Its as quick as it was with PAS only heavier...



Pump weighs a shit load.

What I really mean is does the extra weight of the steering make it slower through tight s bends etc due to the extra physical effort you have to put in. I get that it's the same ratio as its the same rack.

[Dave_P]

Don't be silly.

[craigmc]

inside the front bumper there is like a reinforced plastic bit, between where the bumper mounts onto the front end, i chopped mine out the other day, weighs about a kilo,, i will try get a pic and show you

[monka]

if its a 16v fit an 8v alternator and pulletys

[ryza]

I put my pas pump in the boot bear the offside rear wheel with just the filler neck poking out the boot floor so you dont get much whine from the pump and the weights lower down! Washer bottle next to it and on the other side i have a odyssey battery and fire extingusher bottle where the rear seat bench was. So id like to see how much extra weight has been moved about

[RickP]

Don't be silly.

Logic tells me that when something gets heavier it's slower to move. Is that so silly?

[James_B]

I drive a non pas 106 everyday and it feels far better than my saxo with pas, non pas only feels heavier when parking and really low speed and it doesn't take long to get used to that, driving normally I can barely tell and at higher speed it feels a lot less twitchy I don't think pas is really needed on a small lightweight car

[Mochachino]

Logic tells me that when something gets heavier it's slower to move. Is that so silly?

Heavy as in the mass of the car would make it slower to move, not the feel of the steering lol which when the car is moving having the PAS removed isnt a great deal different.

[LSOfreak]

This is just not true. Removing all pas the ram and everything gives a better feel and is just the same feeling as a non pas rack.

personal opinion and all that, but when the pas broke in my saxo, it was terrible to drive with

[Mochachino]

personal opinion and all that, but when the pas broke in my saxo, it was terrible to drive with

Broken PAS is near on impossible to drive and sometimes goes lose aswell because of the pressure thats in the pipes.

Remove all of that and its fine mate.

Broken PAS = shit and impossible
NO PAS = Better than PAS

[Bedford126]

Broken PAS is near on impossible to drive and sometimes goes lose aswell because of the pressure thats in the pipes.

Remove all of that and its fine mate.

Broken PAS = shit and impossible
NO PAS = Better than PAS

Exactly this. With broken pas you are pushing fluid around as well as the ram so makes it hard work.

With no pas and everything removed as long as you don't dry steer when not moving you cant even tell effort wise. .

[greyjasper51]

Exactly this. With broken pass you are pushing fluid around as well as the ram so makes it hard work.

With no pass and everything removed as long as you don't dry steer when not moving you cant even tell effort wise. .

This i noticed earlier was moving mine onto the drive and for a small engined tin box wow it was heavy... Feels really responsive when actually driving tho... Like you can feel whats happening under the tyres

[Rhysupply]

There ya go mate http://www.ac-sport.com/V3/catalog.php?lang=english&recherche=recherche#ancre loads different stuff on there :)

[Superdupersaxo]

Remove the engine.

[LSOfreak]

Broken PAS is near on impossible to drive and sometimes goes lose aswell because of the pressure thats in the pipes.

Remove all of that and its fine mate.

Broken PAS = shit and impossible
NO PAS = Better than PAS

ahh that explains

[RickP]

Heavy as in the mass of the car would make it slower to move, not the feel of the steering lol which when the car is moving having the PAS removed isnt a great deal different.

Sorry, maybe I'm not explaining myself right. I'm talking about the speed of the steering NOT the speed of the car. Surely if the steering wheel is heavier to move it is to some degree slower to move. I just wondered if this had any adverse affects on the steering through slower tighter corners where you need to change direction quick.

[KamRacing]

Sorry, maybe I'm not explaining myself right. I'm talking about the speed of the steering NOT the speed of the car. Surely if the steering wheel is heavier to move it is to some degree slower to move. I just wondered if this had any adverse affects on the steering through slower tighter corners where you need to change direction quick.

only if you have weedy arms.

[welshpug]

use an alloy engine.

[AndySAXO]

Pas pump and pipes and ram equal about 10 kg lose.

Also free space up for easier gearbox removal and install. Saxo standard rack are all too long really. Ram takes a lot of feel out of the steering also.

[RickP]

only if you have weedy arms.

Ha ha! Maybe I'll struggle then :;

[RickP]

Thanks for all the advise everyone! I think I'll go ahead and remove the PAS, just not sure if I should change the rack or just remove the ram etc off the existing one. Is there any real advantage to replacing the rack altogether?

[Ross]

swap engine pulleys to alloy ones.
flywheel to billet alloy.
Several Kg's right there.

[sexy_gt]

hello rick :)

fibreglass bonnet. i have one on my saxo.

ccf make good quality ones for £120 ish.

[RickP]

hello rick :)

fibreglass bonnet. i have one on my saxo.

ccf make good quality ones for £120 ish.

Thanks Stew, yeah I think I'll go for a fibreglass bonnet with bonnet pins eventually. How much weigh approx do you think will be lost? I hear not as much on a mk1 :(
You'll have to let me know when your next at Cadwell, would love to come and have a look at your car on track there.

[RickP]

swap engine pulleys to alloy ones.
flywheel to billet alloy.
Several Kg's right there.

Thanks mate, I think I may need a new clutch soon, so would be an ideal time to do the flywheel :)
Also thinking of changing cams next year so my do the pulleys then.

[Mochachino]

Get some lighter alloys if the ones you have are not light light can save alot of rotational mass.

[Ross]

Thanks mate, I think I may need a new clutch soon, so would be an ideal time to do the flywheel :)
Also thinking of changing cams next year so my do the pulleys then.

I mean the crank pulley and alternator pulley.

[manta]

If it's for offroad non competition use then just break out the grinder and get to work.

Paint is heavy, remove that shit.