172 faster than 182?

[Davyy]

Sorry if this has been covered but struggled with the search.

Just looking into these as potentially my next car.. According to http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/reviews/facts-and-figures/renault/clio/renaultsport-2001/
the 182 is slower to 60 than the 172 and only 1mph faster top end.

So surely the 172 would be a better choice due to cheaper insurance but what am I missing? Confused. Thanks.

[Mr_X]

much of a muchness

[Davyy]

much of a muchness

Pardon..?

[KamRacing]

Get the 172 ph1. This has a longer gearbox than the fatter facelift cars. As the models got heavier they added a shorter ratio box to compensate i believe.
Its the lightest, has bigger valves on the head, and responds very well to a ported and matched inlet manifold as the original castings were rubbish...

[josh11490]

The 182s look the nicest imo, but ph1 172s look awesome with a few mods!

[Davyy]

I dont think i'd be doing too much to it tbh, and i much prefer the look of the ph2 shape. Any answers to my question on why 10hp more but slower?

[RobVT]

phase 1 172 = phase fast.

[Jazz]

As been said, the early 172s are a bit more basic and lighter, by the time they got to the 182 shape (ph2) the car was more plush with a few extra pounds.

A few tenths here and there isn't going to make a big deal, in the real world they'll be as close as you can get as far as straight lines are concerned.

[Oli_K]

The only people i know that have had 172's made more than that on the RR, those i know who have had 182's have never made that on the same RR.

[barwell1992]

I dont think i'd be doing too much to it tbh, and i much prefer the look of the ph2 shape. Any answers to my question on why 10hp more but slower?

as Kam said in a round about way... "weight" they got fatter so they upped the power and they fitted a shorter ratio box but the performance stayed pretty much the same, due to the power to weight ratio been roughly the same as each other

(thats based on alot of assumptions, and im assuming the parkers figures are correct and the way both the cars were tested was the same fuel load ect ect ect)

172 = 165bhp per tone
182 = 166bhp per tone

the .2 of a second could purely be down to tires used on the test day

[Davyy]

Seems some people are thinking I mean the ph1 172 compared with the ph2 182. I mean both ph2s. Thanks for the answers though guys. Audi a3 sline 2.0tdis have now taken over in my next car I think if I can afford one. Would seem cheaper insurance aswell with insurance group.

[Davyy]

http://www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-motorbikes/2007-audi-a3-s-line-tdi-170-sback-87k/1002991745 - not sure why only £3000 after looking at others much more expensive :s

[barwell1992]

Seems some people are thinking I mean the ph1 172 compared with the ph2 182. I mean both ph2s. Thanks for the answers though guys. Audi a3 sline 2.0tdis have now taken over in my next car I think if I can afford one. Would seem cheaper insurance aswell with insurance group.

my figures were from your link so i assume both ph2's so still the answer is weight :)

[Davyy]

Ohhh okay, cheers.

[Nik_L]

http://www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-motorbikes/2007-audi-a3-s-line-tdi-170-sback-87k/1002991745 - not sure why only £3000 after looking at others much more expensive :s

Will be a scam. Message the guy and see what he says. Will probably go along the lines of "transfer the money to my bank account, and i will have it delivered".

Nice touch listing as being in Southampton. Close to the docks where it will "supposedly" be delivered.

[Davyy]

Didnt think of the dock bit as im localish to Southampton. Good point though, will give him a text to see.

[LSOfreak]

http://www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-motorbikes/2007-audi-a3-s-line-tdi-170-sback-87k/1002991745 - not sure why only £3000 after looking at others much more expensive :s

looks like a boat

probably about as interesting to drive aswel

[hard_corejoeboy]

Sorry if this has been covered but struggled with the search.

Just looking into these as potentially my next car.. According to http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/reviews/facts-and-figures/renault/clio/renaultsport-2001/
the 182 is slower to 60 than the 172 and only 1mph faster top end.

So surely the 172 would be a better choice due to cheaper insurance but what am I missing? Confused. Thanks.

182's look nicer and will be more comfy. If you are wortied about insurance then you are too young for either.

[Davyy]

182's look nicer and will be more comfy. If you are wortied about insurance then you are too young for either.
I'm not 'worried' and yeah i'm only 18, soon 19 but obviously everyone wants to save money so I was wondering what the reasoning is and if the extra is worth it.

[hard_corejoeboy]

Im 28 and i have a twingo rs. Power is not everything...

[Davyy]

Im 28 and i have a twingo rs. Power is not everything...

I don't understand your point?

[Ashleyp]

I don't understand your point?

His point is; no matter what car you have, if you have B8 rear dampers, and a lower strut, other cars will fear you and back off. thus you don't need powwwaaa to win races.

AKA: Take everything he says with a pinch of salt. he's the biggest idiot on the forum

[Davyy]

His point is; no matter what car you have, if you have B8 rear dampers, and a lower strut, other cars will fear you and back off. thus you don't need powwwaaa to win races.

AKA: Take everything he says with a pinch of salt. he's the biggest idiot on the forum


hahaha, okay!

[leeroybrown]

I love threads like this they make me giggle.

Both cars are pretty much the same to drive

172 runs 4-1 manifold 182 runs 4-2-1 manifold.

Althought find me a 172/182 that actually makes those figures and i'll eat my hat!

[hard_corejoeboy]

My point was that at 19 why spend a fortune insuring a car you can barely drive better than a 1.0 saxo?

[Jay_]

My point was that at 19 why spend a fortune insuring a car you can barely drive better than a 1.0 saxo?

You act like a 19YO and can't drive so why have a twingo RS?

[ed-bradley]

You act like a 19YO and can't drive so why have a twingo RS?

Because YOLO

[blackie_2k5]

My point was that at 19 why spend a fortune insuring a car you can barely drive better than a 1.0 saxo?

why would you assume he cant drive it better then you or anyone on the site for that matter?

age means nothing

[Jay_]

Because YOLO

what does "you only lift" once have to do with anything?

[blackie_2k5]

what does "you only lift" once have to do with anything?

hes thinking dirty things..

[Prickle]

I love threads like this they make me giggle.

Both cars are pretty much the same to drive

172 runs 4-1 manifold 182 runs 4-2-1 manifold.

Althought find me a 172/182 that actually makes those figures and i'll eat my hat!

paper hat?

[blackie_2k5]

nacho hat john

[hard_corejoeboy]

why would you assume he cant drive it better then you or anyone on the site for that matter?

age means nothing

Spoken like a true child...

Age means nothing...right....loads of 5 year olds in f1 these days aye ;)

[barwell1992]

Age means nothing...right....loads of 5 year olds in f1 these days aye ;)

nope but a load of 5 year old's in go carts driving better than you is quite probable

[blackie_2k5]

Spoken like a true child...

Age means nothing...right....loads of 5 year olds in f1 these days aye ;)

Replied like the true simpleton you are

How many 19yo's have driven f1?

I rest my case..

[barwell1992]

Replied like the true simpleton you are

How many 19yo's have driven f1?

I rest my case..

loads ........ ps3 FTW lol

[greyjasper51]

Replied like the true simpleton you are

How many 19yo's have driven f1?

I rest my case..

I like licking glass...

182 is better because the number is bigger :-)

[blackie_2k5]

loads ........ ps3 FTW lol

Case firmly rested

[m4tt274]

to say a vtr is meant to be 90, a 182 sure doesnt go that well considering its 50% more powerful. they are only marginally quicker. get someone good in a VTR and a cret in the 182 and round a track they would be a good match.
i wouldnt bother with these cars when your 18 mate. im 19 and just sticking with the VTR.

[barwell1992]

Case firmly rested

haha yup !

[greyjasper51]

to say a vtr is meant to be 90, a 182 sure doesnt go that well considering its 50% more powerful. they are only marginally quicker. get someone good in a VTR and a cret in the 182 and round a track they would be a good match.
i wouldnt bother with these cars when your 18 mate. im 19 and just sticking with the VTR.

Its 100% more powerful... And i shit you not 172/182/192 clios were just annoying and kept getting in the way at brands... 100bhp vtr... Even ones that were pushing it i made look silly...

[hard_corejoeboy]

Replied like the true simpleton you are

How many 19yo's have driven f1?

I rest my case..

Showing your age now...talk and no facts.

Hmm what 19 year old has driven in F1?
To make it fair we shall say no test drivers and had to have scored a championship point whilst 19.......

SEBASTIEN VETTEL!!!!

Case CLOSED

Lmao

[Ashleyp]

to say a vtr is meant to be 90, a 182 sure doesnt go that well considering its 50% more powerful. they are only marginally quicker. get someone good in a VTR and a cret in the 182 and round a track they would be a good match.
i wouldnt bother with these cars when your 18 mate. im 19 and just sticking with the VTR.

That's such a shit satement to make.

A: 182bhp is 100% more powerful than 90bph, not 50%
B: With equally able drivers, the clio is undeniably quicker than the VTR. it's laughable to consider a 182 as only marginally quicker.
C: A good driver vs a crap driver, well that's obvious isn't it? I could drive my VTS quicker than my BMW (with double the power of the saxo) for a while - it's just a bit of a dead-ended comment, and essentially meaningless.
D: Just because you're sticking with a VTR means someone else shouldn't be allowed a different car?

[hard_corejoeboy]

Its 100% more powerful... And i shit you not 172/182/192 clios were just annoying and kept getting in the way at brands... 100bhp vtr... Even ones that were pushing it i made look silly...

I believe you...but your car is likely modded for track work and you have experience im guessing? (loving this age vs experience theme going on now)
If we are honest a clio 172/182 is a faster car than a vtr or even vts. I used to believe 182's were krap but considering they have around 160bhp and around 1040 kg vs my 140 bhp 900kg saxo things were gonna be close.

Lets not forget my car wasnt standard and these were. Im not going to go into cost vs performance etc etc hut its a fact that out of the box the clio is the quicker car.

Ps i think we all got what you meant when you said 50% more powerful. Some people on here like to point out others' mistakes in a nasty way ;)

[Ashleyp]

Showing your age now...talk and no facts.

Hmm what 19 year old has driven in F1?
To make it fair we shall say no test drivers and had to have scored a championship point whilst 19.......

SEBASTIEN VETTEL!!!!

Case CLOSED

Lmao

Be honest

You drive a slow car, and you're a slow driver.

you're fooling nobody, and nobody gives a shit about age.

[Jay_]

Be honest

You drive a slow car, and you're a slow driver.

you're fooling nobody, and nobody gives a shit about age.

http://komplexify.com/images/2012/Picard-YES-meme.jpg

I could not agree more.

[blackie_2k5]

There is no age debate going on

You made a shit post about the lads ability to drive being 19

I pulled you up on the fact that you have no idea that he may be a better driver then anyone on the site

You tried to refer it to 5 year olds as you clearly had no point to back up your argument, I referred back to your post about him being 19

Plenty of very good drivers at the age of 19 in this world

NOW the case is closed

[Bedford126]

Be honest

You drive a slow girl's car, and you're a slow driver (without B8's).

you're fooling nobody except maybe your mum , and nobody gives a shit about age except Jimmy Saville.

Edited For effect.

One day you might actually realise your Twingo is just a shit French shopping car and you are a below average driver.

[hard_corejoeboy]

Notice you two are part of a select group of twats on saxp numbering about 10 max that go round like you are the dogs. No one likes you. Go away.

You bore me.

Im bored.

This thread is dead to me

.

[VECTRASRI]

hes thinking dirty things..

Your pm inbox is full

[Jay_]

Notice you two are part of a select group of twats on saxp numbering about 10 max that go round like you are the dogs. No one likes you. Go away.

You bore me.

Im bored.

This thread is dead to me

.

http://totallytop10.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/emo9.jpg

[hard_corejoeboy]

There is no age debate going on

You made a shit post about the lads ability to drive being 19

I pulled you up on the fact that you have no idea that he may be a better driver then anyone on the site

You tried to refer it to 5 year olds as you clearly had no point to back up your argument, I referred back to your post about him being 19

Plenty of very good drivers at the age of 19 in this world

NOW the case is closed

BUT a lot more faster 30 year olds...nothing to do with age though of course. They just decided to get fast one day.

This forum is way beyond juvenile

[L33h]

Its 100% more powerful... And i shit you not 172/182/192 clios were just annoying and kept getting in the way at brands... 100bhp vtr... Even ones that were pushing it i made look silly...

My brothers 172 would annihilate your VTR :homme:

Also a 182 is just a 172 engine with a different manifold. Its 10bhp more but slightly heavier so theyre basically the same

[Jay_]

OP in answer to you question, I believe that as others have said they are fairly similar, and tbh, 1 second here and there to 60 isn't noticeable on public roads etc. 182 may have a few extra mod cons but i'm not up to scratch with them tbh!

[Ashleyp]

BUT a lot more faster 30 year olds...nothing to do with age though of course. They just decided to get fast one day.

This forum is way beyond juvenile

You're not a pro racing driver, and thus you can't compare age in the same way.

You're the one acting juvenile, as usual you change a thread into "i'm a better driver than you", and the reality is, people have seen evidence of your lack of driving ability.

You're the biggest hypocrit to ever touch a keyboard, it's crazy.

[hard_corejoeboy]

They havent though..they have seen one video of my first trackday and me dicking on a roundabout...
When did i turn it into a 'im a better driver'
Just being honest.....

Sooooorry

[Bedford126]

BUT a lot more faster 30 year olds...nothing to do with age though of course. They just decided to get fast one day.

This forum is way beyond juvenile

Wow. Yo do realise that you only notice 35-30 year old's get fast because they have more money to throw at the hobby.

Nothing to do with age all about the money.... Ever wonder why teams like Mclaren invest in kids from the age of 13?

[greyjasper51]

35-40+ and your body cant physically cope or compute as fast and sucsessfully as someone of equal standard of 25... Whys schumacher going backwards... Hes getting old (and a shit car)
18-28/29 is the peak of motorsport drivers career... Some go for longer some go for shorter... Youll find the older blokes have

More money to go fast and
More experience, have seen it all before...

[hard_corejoeboy]

Ever wondered why rich boy in his type r gets smoked by the old boy in his diesel octavia?

[greyjasper51]

Ever wondered why rich boy in his type r gets smoked by the old boy in his diesel octavia?

Because chavy kid dont know about vtec y0!!

[Ashleyp]

35-40+ and your body cant physically cope or compute as fast and sucsessfully as someone of equal standard of 25... Whys schumacher going backwards... Hes getting old (and a shit car)
18-28/29 is the peak of motorsport drivers career... Some go for longer some go for shorter... Youll find the older blokes have

More money to go fast and
More experience, have seen it all before...

I see what you're saying..

An already shit driver such as hardcoreblowjob, is only going to get worse from here

gutted for you joey.

[Jazz]

Ever wondered why rich boy in his type r gets smoked by the old boy in his diesel octavia?

Talking to me, pups?

Old boy in his diesel Octavia doesn't see which way this young buck goes.

[Bedford126]

Ever wondered why rich boy in his type r gets smoked by the old boy in his diesel octavia?

Ahh so the big race teams have got it all wrong. They should be investing in the old blokes who do trackdays who have no clue ( Just like you ) on what a real race is. Trackdays are a million miles away from racing.

[hard_corejoeboy]

I see what you're saying..

An already shit driver such as hardcoreblowjob, is only going to get worse from here

gutted for you joey.

Sorry bud but when im fitter at 28 than most of you can dream of being at 22 i'll start to get worried...

BUT i dont have money so i guess i am screwed ;)

[hard_corejoeboy]

Ahh so the big race teams have got it all wrong. They should be investing in the old blokes who do trackdays who have no clue ( Just like you ) on what a real race is. Trackdays are a million miles away from racing.

You misunderstood the point..

[Ashleyp]

Sorry bud but when im fitter at 28 than most of you can dream of being at 22 i'll start to get worried...

BUT i dont have money so i guess i am screwed ;)

Monnnnnnniiiiiiicccccccaaaaaaaa

http://content.ytmnd.com/content/4/3/2/43251970736edf82cf2aa71128ec6364.gif

[craig180]

Fuck 0-60, it's all about the 0-100...

Let's see any vtr keep up with a 172 then

[Ashleyp]

Fuck 0-60, it's all about the 0-100...

Let's see any vtr keep up with a 172 then

Does your wagon even make it to 100 craig :P

[hard_corejoeboy]

Monnnnnnniiiiiiicccccccaaaaaaaa

http://content.ytmnd.com/content/4/3/2/43251970736edf82cf2aa71128ec6364.gif

Why fight it?

You are my biggest fan really.

[greyjasper51]

Fuck 0-60, it's all about the 0-100...

Let's see any vtr keep up with a 172 then

Fuck the 0-anything times... Track is different to drag...c

[Jazz]

Fuck 0-60, it's all about the 0-100...

Let's see any vtr keep up with a 172 then

Very true.

Slow cars worry about 0-60.

Fast cars have only just got off the line and gathering momentum at that speed so 0-100 is a better reflection of their acceleration.

[L33h]

Fuck 0-60, it's all about the 0-100...

Let's see any vtr keep up with a 172 then

I agree

[Ashleyp]

Why fight it?

You are my biggest fan really.

Someones gotta be. I bet even you're child hates you, understandably so too.

hero.

[Chr15]

who actually gives a fuck?

edit - so much shit in here (as usual) i had to re-check what the thread was about!

[greyjasper51]

Someones gotta be. I bet even you're child hates you, understandably so too.

Hahahaha!!!

[SAXO8VYO]

to the OP just get a ph1 172 bit better from the start as kamracing said

and this hardcorejoe lad/kid/bloke , i never get when ever your rant on and on about shit why you always bring up about if a young lad has a powerful or quick car like its not aloud without them being a rich kid or not knowing how to drive!

so basically according to you and you mind set , im 20 by the way i shouldnt go look at a type r civic or a megane rs this weekend because that would class me as a rich kid and i shouldnt get one as im young and dont have the race driver experience that you have :clapping: .... your a total idiot , can tell you were never the sharpest tool in the shed

[Jazz]

who actually gives a fuck?

Your mum does ;)

sorry, couldn't resist, you walked into that one

[hard_corejoeboy]

Of a failure in life, with a slow car and no driving ability, which is only going down hill

hero.

Bit below the belt there
Running outta ammo? Thats such a ridiculous thing to say. You obviously dont have kids.

[Ryan]

Having owned both a vtr and a cliosport the Clio is a much much better car...

[L33h]

This is getting abit childish isnt it?

[Ashleyp]

Bit below the belt there
Running outta ammo? Thats such a ridiculous thing to say. You obviously dont have kids.

Got 2, they're both 19.

I thought they were awesome drivers, but I've got to re-evaluate that theory knowing that no 19yo is as quick as a 28yo in his girlfriends car.

[Jazz]

Interesting that a thread comparing 2 cliosports has descended into VTR vs Cliosport.

Only on sax-p.

[hard_corejoeboy]

to the OP just get a ph1 172 bit better from the start as kamracing said

and this hardcorejoe lad/kid/bloke , i never get when ever your rant on and on about shit why you always bring up about if a young lad has a powerful or quick car like its not aloud without them being a rich kid or not knowing how to drive!

so basically according to you and you mind set , im 20 by the way i shouldnt go look at a type r civic or a megane rs this weekend because that would class me as a rich kid and i shouldnt get one as im young and dont have the race driver experience that you have :clapping: .... your a total idiot , can tell you were never the sharpest tool in the shed

When you have them constantly hanging off your back bumper and having to dust them off isbwhere i get this attitude boy.

[hard_corejoeboy]

Got 2, they're both 19.

I thought they were awesome drivers, but I've got to re-evaluate that theory knowing that no 19yo is as quick as a 28yo in his girlfriends car.

You are the definition of a prick.

[Ryan]

Interesting that a thread comparing 2 cliosports has descended into VTR vs Cliosport.

Only on sax-p.

That's because the vtr is the best car made, everyone knows only fools bought the vts and the vtr was really the faster car of the two.

[greyjasper51]

Interesting that a thread comparing 2 cliosports has descended into VTR vs Cliosport.

Only on sax-p.

That its not worthy of conparison to.a vts... Just an r lol

[hard_corejoeboy]

This is getting abit childish isnt it?

Yeah considering i cant make a comment even a valid one without it turning into penis wars...

[Chr15]

Your mum does ;)

sorry, couldn't resist, you walked into that one

Ouch. Fuck your V-tec y0!

Poor comeback I know, just really cannot be arsed!

[Jazz]

That's because the vtr is the best car made, everyone knows only fools bought the vts and the vtr was really the faster car of the two.

I was always under the impression that the VTR did indeed have a 62.769% torque advantage over the VTS..?


Chr15- that was poor, try harder next time y0! :P

[Chr15]

joe why are you even here?

[hard_corejoeboy]

Fun while it lasted...im off to bed...till next time fuuuuuuckers

Chri5 i have no idea. Either i like arguing or i like arguing with people that try and cause an argument hell i made a career out of it ;)

[SAXO8VYO]

[QUOTE=hard_corejoeboy;6151746]When you have them constantly hanging off your back bumper and having to dust them off isbwhere i get this attitude boy.[/QUO

you have a single mind set and think everyone is like exactly how you think or stereotype them as , i sure know if i was in either of the cars i said about i wouldnt bother with a 133 rs. you get so hyped up so easily :homme: chill

[Jamie]

There are some right fucking retards on this board.

For the VTR VS Clio RS boys... go to bed already.

The fact is a VTR is FAR slower than a 172/182.

2 drivers of the same level or back to back with the same driver and the VTR would be left for dead.

The OP's question has been answered a few times but I'll reiterate it real world the difference will be negligible between the 172/182.

[Chr15]

8v are gay anyway, ill stick with my 24v :)

[barwell1992]

can we not just ban hard_corejoeboy this place would be much better without

[L33h]

24v is gay. 20v is the way forward lol

[hard_corejoeboy]

[QUOTE=hard_corejoeboy;6151746]When you have them constantly hanging off your back bumper and having to dust them off isbwhere i get this attitude boy.[/QUO

you have a single mind set and think everyone is like exactly how you think or stereotype them as , i sure know if i was in either of the cars i said about i wouldnt bother with a 133 rs. you get so hyped up so easily :homme: chill

Woah! Dont be knocking the mighty twingo! Its a better handling 182 with an aesthmatic childs lungs and better brakes ;)

[hard_corejoeboy]

can we not just ban hard_corejoeboy this place would be much better without

Minerals....

[Chr15]

Take your VAG shite and shove it up your arse! Id much rather listen to my V6!

[L33h]

Take your VAG shite and shove it up your arse! Id much rather listen to my V6!

Whatever :hug:

[chris205]

What a bunch of bellends.

Going back to the Op, I've had 10 cliosports now, so should really have enough experience to comment on your question.

The thing really is if both cars are timed up correctly, a 182 would be the quicker/faster car over half a mile, by about a car length if you're lucky.

I've had a ph1, a ph2, ph2 cup, trophy, 182 ff etc etc, my current 182 ff is the fastest but also the heaviest of the lot, the trophy was the best to drive and the cup ended up being stripped and could out drag most cars that it shouldnt.

No point discussing saxo vs clio. If both cars were standard or had the same mods done, the clio would win, its already at an advantage with power and torque.

Its an age old argument because most saxo owners can not accept another french car is faster.

I'll also mention I've had many 16v'd 106's and saxo's over the years so should be able to comment on that particular argument.

If you want a more refined chassis/vehicle but still want to stick with the unreliability of a french motor, get a clio.

If you want something which is more refined, may not handle as well but is built a lot better, dont buy a french car.

Regards,

Chris

[Gandi699]

haha jesus christ

[chris205]

Althought find me a 172/182 that actually makes those figures and i'll eat my hat!

Better get eating that hat leeroy, got the dyno print out here ;)

My 172 cup doing 174 bhp and my 182 doing 182 bhp both at Rs tuning :D

[Jazz]

Better get eating that hat leeroy, got the dyno print out here ;)

My 172 cup doing 174 bhp and my 182 doing 182 bhp both at Rs tuning :D

That's because their rollers give 15bhp more than they should.

I'd try another roller to verify those rather peachy figures, especially if your cars are standard.

[chris205]

Also a 182 is just a 172 engine with a different manifold. Its 10bhp more but slightly heavier so theyre basically the same

Wrong.

They also have better cast inlet manifolds, lighter cranks and a tweaked engine map amongst other things.

[chris205]

That's because their rollers give 15bhp more than they should.

I'd try another roller to verify those rather peachy figures, especially if your cars are standard.

Lol you sure about that? They're not very generous rollers at all, been tested at various other locations with the same vehicle and similar results, dyno dynamics rollers running in shoot out mode?

Generally interested in this comment though as they've always been a bench mark for most other clio sport owners. Just to make sure we're talking about RStuning in leeds

If it helps last time I was at a dyno day there in my cup, I ran 174 bhp, when a 16v 106 with 4-2-1, pugsport and forced filter made 132bhp lol

[L33h]

Oh well. didnt know that tbh

[Jay_]

We all know that bridge to gantry times are the most important thing ever when choosing a car, so if you could just refer to youtube then you will have your answer.

:bored:

[greyjasper51]

Take your VAG shite and shove it up your arse! Id much rather listen to my V6!

20v is the future!!

[Ryan]

We all know that bridge to gantry times are the most important thing ever when choosing a car, so if you could just refer to youtube then you will have your answer.

:bored:

Most VTRs domt have the power to get up the hills at the ring lol.

[hard_corejoeboy]

We all know that bridge to gantry times are the most important thing ever when choosing a car, so if you could just refer to youtube then you will have your answer.

:bored:

Pri....

[Yates]

Either i like arguing or i like arguing with people that try and cause an argument hell i made a career out of it ;)

so you like arguing, I wont mention the fact you say you argue with people who try to cause arguments, as they clearly arent trying, they have in fact caused one. you just bite way to easy

does simo know you have made a career out of arguing on his website?

swear i read on page 2/3 this thread was dead to you.

[devilsadvocate]

Get the 172 ph1. This has a longer gearbox than the fatter facelift cars. As the models got heavier they added a shorter ratio box to compensate i believe.
Its the lightest, has bigger valves on the head, and responds very well to a ported and matched inlet manifold as the original castings were rubbish...

Yeah but they look fucking ugly :)

Personally I would get a later 172 with lower miles, FSH including the cam belt change.

Either that or stump up more cash and go for an earlier 197 :)

OP, ignore the 0-60 times and 1mph difference.....you are never going to notice it.

[Chr15]

20v is the future!!

You can fuck off too!

[leeroybrown]

Lol you sure about that? They're not very generous rollers at all, been tested at various other locations with the same vehicle and similar results, dyno dynamics rollers running in shoot out mode?

Generally interested in this comment though as they've always been a bench mark for most other clio sport owners. Just to make sure we're talking about RStuning in leeds

If it helps last time I was at a dyno day there in my cup, I ran 174 bhp, when a 16v 106 with 4-2-1, pugsport and forced filter made 132bhp lol

They are pretty much spot on Jazz pal, the rollers that is.

Your just a lucky owner Chris to get them figures lol

[Gandi699]

I think we needed another 172/182 thread, hadn't been one for a good couple of weeks

[KamRacing]

Yeah but they look fucking ugly :)

Personally I would get a later 172 with lower miles, FSH including the cam belt change.

Either that or stump up more cash and go for an earlier 197 :)

OP, ignore the 0-60 times and 1mph difference.....you are never going to notice it.

ugly cars try harder:fcuk:

[devilsadvocate]

ugly cars try harder:fcuk:

Like ugly birds then :P

[matt_vtr_15a]

I have heard a mix of answers, but I'm with Chris on this one..


Why produce the 172 then follow it up with the 182 and then 197 and the initial car be faster....

Surely they didn't produce a slower car... the differences between all 3 are probably marginal so I wouldn't get to emotional about it all

[KamRacing]

Basically the car got heavier so the increase in power was to maintain the performance rather than improve it. The 197 though is a completely different car..
Still a muchness of muchness so simply buy the one you can afford or like. Parts are interchangable so you could nick the good bits off the different models..

[leeroybrown]

Trophy or GTF

[Gandi699]

Basically the car got heavier so the increase in power was to maintain the performance rather than improve it. The 197 though is a completely different car..
Still a muchness of muchness so simply buy the one you can afford or like. Parts are interchangable so you could nick the good bits off the different models..

Exactly, you aren't going to getting anywhere near the limits of its capabilities on the road anyway

[hard_corejoeboy]

Basically the car got heavier so the increase in power was to maintain the performance rather than improve it. The 197 though is a completely different car..
Still a muchness of muchness so simply buy the one you can afford or like. Parts are interchangable so you could nick the good bits off the different models..

I know someone going even more extreme..
Twingo rs with clio 200 chassis and megane trophy engine :)

[m4tt274]

I have heard a mix of answers, but I'm with Chris on this one..


Why produce the 172 then follow it up with the 182 and then 197 and the initial car be faster....

Surely they didn't produce a slower car... the differences between all 3 are probably marginal so I wouldn't get to emotional about it all

the golf gtis of old got newer and slower.

[KamRacing]

I know someone going even more extreme..
Twingo rs with clio 200 chassis and megane trophy engine :)

A Clio 200 shell made to look like a Twingo, or a Twingo with Clio 200 suspension?

[Brettles1986]

the golf gtis of old got newer and slower.

Isn't that also the case for the latest 2 Honda Civics, the later one being slower than its predecessor.

[craig180]

Newer cars are slower. Fact.

It's all about the 1989 gti ;)

[greyjasper51]

You can fuck off too!

just because you wish you had one!!

[Chr15]

just because you wish you had one!!

Hell no! V6, V8 or nothing!

[hard_corejoeboy]

A Clio 200 shell made to look like a Twingo, or a Twingo with Clio 200 suspension?

Twingo with clio suspension.

Quite a bit of work needed i think. The engine conversion is the 'easy' bit. Its been done to a bog standard twingo before.

[barwell1992]

Twingo with clio suspension.

Quite a bit of work needed i think. The engine conversion is the 'easy' bit. Its been done to a bog standard twingo before.

what the point in a twingo with clio 200 suspension ? the sachs from the trophy are far far better than what they use on the 200's and there nearly a straight swap, and you can actually buy them valved for the twingo from sachs with working comp adjusters not pinned like on the trophy

[Ashleyp]

what the point in a twingo with clio 200 suspension ? the sachs from the trophy are far far better than what they use on the 200's and there nearly a straight swap, and you can actually buy them valved for the twingo from sachs with working comp adjusters not pinned like on the trophy

Why waste money on a twingo anyway?

having a light shell is great, but it'll reach a limit, I'd rather start with a better base to build, and wider track of the clio.

A guy who used to be on here, who raced his TB'd clio 182 in time attack currently has a 200 with R26 engine.

[barwell1992]

Why waste money on a twingo anyway?

having a light shell is great, but it'll reach a limit, I'd rather start with a better base to build, and wider track of the clio.

A guy who used to be on here, who raced his TB'd clio 182 in time attack currently has a 200 with R26 engine.

there is that point :clapping:

i fancy a clio v6 and all ways have done, theres a turbo'd one on youtube thats very very fast

[blackie_2k5]

That's because the vtr is the best car made, everyone knows only fools bought the vts and the vtr was really the faster car of the two.

Finally Ryan!! It's been a while but you've finally come to your sense :y:

taking ppl out if context is a great pass time

Luff u..

[KamRacing]

Why waste money on a twingo anyway?

having a light shell is great, but it'll reach a limit, I'd rather start with a better base to build, and wider track of the clio.

A guy who used to be on here, who raced his TB'd clio 182 in time attack currently has a 200 with R26 engine.

pot, kettle, black if you've modified your saxo....
:homme:

[Prickle]

is that Twingo dude with the van interior at it again :homme:

hes dropping his shit all over the place..

[Ashleyp]

pot, kettle, black if you've modified your saxo....
:homme:

touche :P

[greyjasper51]

Hell no! V6, V8 or nothing!

just because your jelous of the cheap tuning potential of them....

and the noise they can make!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo9zJL9A8oo