Instagram bummers

[Ryan]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20767537

Crymoar'

Hopefully the end of the utter garbage and retards telling me theyre photographers...

[mlawlan69]

Hahhaha

Take photos so we can sell them with no monetary gain for yourself.

Absolutely disgusting, i hope nobody uses it again.

[craig180]

If they believe they have the right to sell photos of my own children, I'd like to see that stand up in the European High Court

[Jizanthapus]

It should be called Instagrain. Or grainygram.

[baker556]

Just watermark your photos...

[GolfJay]

Isn't that the point of their terms and conditions? You only use the service if you agree to their conditions.

[Viper]

If they believe they have the right to sell photos of my own children, I'd like to see that stand up in the European High Court

Can I sell photos of your kids?

[craig180]

Can I sell photos of your kids?

If I thought you were being serious i would actually damage you beyond repair ;)

[TomT]

Hopefully the end of the utter garbage and retards telling me theyre photographers...

Doubt it, it's Christmas.

All the cool kids will get SLR's, slow down their shutter speed in a club or take a few pictures of flowers and set up a photography facebook page

[Ryan]

Doubt it, it's Christmas.

All the cool kids will get SLR's, slow down their shutter speed in a club or take a few pictures of flowers and set up a photography facebook page

Can't beat the swirly bollocks shutter drag :wall:

[knight-22]

Sneaky.. I'm sure the majority of people who use it won't even read the new terms.

But I don't really understand why advertisers would want to buy grubby, low quality photos?

[0rang3peel]

instagram is a cancer on the internet, my facebook is constantly clogged with cunts taking shit pictures then applying a shit sepia filter and uploading it with a caption like

#disshitisdabomb

The problem is, the general public are so retarded most people will stay signed up after this!

[Alanapone]

Looks like I'l be taking my account off then! Shame, their are some cool people on there, I'll have to just add them on facebook or via email now.

[Bean]

If people want to buy pictures of an £800 Saxo and me kicking fuck out of people they're more than welcome to them...?!

[Giraffe]

If people want to buy pictures of an £800 Saxo and me kicking fuck out of people they're more than welcome to them...?!

Whoa whoa whoa, steady on there badman. There's enough room on the interwebz for everyone!

[knight-22]

me kicking fuck out of people

Pics or gtfo! ;)

[matt_vtr_15a]

So if I was to google search an image and for instance found some of Ryans Photography and then posted it on to instagram... could instagram be fined for copyright if they sold that image?

Could take these fuckers downnnnnn

[Bean]

Now now girls, them ponys you're riding are rather high ;)

[Ross]

Just deleted my account.

[Bean]

Pics or gtfo! ;)

You're more than welcome to some pictures of me half naked bbz xx

[Giraffe]

Now now girls, them ponys you're riding are rather high ;)

But still not as high as Prickle's VTS.

[Ryan]

So if I was to google search an image and for instance found some of Ryans Photography and then posted it on to instagram... could instagram be fined for copyright if they sold that image?

Could take these fuckers downnnnnn

You would be the one liable for 'passing off' my work as yours.

[matt_vtr_15a]

You would be the one liable for 'passing off' my work as yours.

Snakes

[Bean]

But still not as high as Prickle's VTS.

Ouushhhhh

[knight-22]

You're more than welcome to some pictures of me half naked bbz xx

Oh, so do you kick the fuck out of people, whilst being half naked then? Saucy.

[Bean]

Oh, so do you kick the fuck out of people, whilst being half naked then? Saucy.

Well I'm hardly going to be doing it in a wooly jumper am I now

[hellonpluto]

dont know why people use instagram as it makes your photos look shit.

if you're really wanting to upload photos to facefuck then take them on your phone/camera and upload them directly...why use instragram in the first place? i dont get it.

[craig180]

How do you delete your account?

[Ryan]

dont know why people use instagram as it makes your photos look shit.

if you're really wanting to upload photos to facefuck then take them on your phone/camera and upload them directly...why use instragram in the first place? i dont get it.

You my friend obviously do not wear skinny jeans, boat shoes/plimsoles and fake glasses...

[Ryan]

How do you delete your account?

You don't do the retarded thing and sign up at the start ;)

[craig180]

You don't do the retarded thing and sign up at the start ;)

I'm beyond retarded. I now need to rectify the issue.

[Giraffe]

I'm beyond retarded. I now need to rectify the issue.

Start a new thread... Might as well ask for all sorts of other advice at the same time!

[craig180]

Start a new thread... Might as well ask for all sorts of other advice at the same time!

Trying to compute whether that was a dig at me, or other members :err:

[Ryan]

Trying to compute whether that was a dig at me, or other members :err:

I hear you have a job interview. Do you need help telling them how to spell your name?

[craig180]

I hear you have a job interview. Do you need help telling them how to spell your name?

Now I'm REEEEEEAAAAALLLLY confused!

[knight-22]

Well I'm hardly going to be doing it in a wooly jumper am I now

Why not? ;)

Little disappointed, thought you were a real badman at first.

why use instragram in the first place? i dont get it.

I allways just assumed it was for the whole sharing (photostream-ish thing) side to it.

[Ryan]

Now I'm REEEEEEAAAAALLLLY confused!

check started threads by pug205

[Giraffe]

Trying to compute whether that was a dig at me, or other members :err:

I wouldn't have a dig at you Craigy boy! :hug:

[W103_A5H]

I don't get Instragram, why not just upload them to Facebook to start with? :S Or am I missing the point somewhere? Also, what is it with people with iPhones, 'oh look at me I have an instragram account and an iPhone, I can add an effect to my pictures and now im a phtographer' fuck off.

[Ryan]

I don't get Instragram, why not just upload them to Facebook to start with? :S Or am I missing the point somewhere? Also, what is it with people with iPhones, 'oh look at me I have an instragram account and an iPhone, I can add an effect to my pictures and now im a phtographer' fuck off.

You have no idea how retarded people seem when they come up to me when im shooting events, cameras in hand - im a professional photographer too (then shows me their wankstagram portfolio)

[Ashleyp]

dont know why people use instagram as it makes your photos look shit.

if you're really wanting to upload photos to facefuck then take them on your phone/camera and upload them directly...why use instragram in the first place? i dont get it.

It's more like twitter than FB, although you don't have to upload to FB or twitter... it's an option. Either way, you'd be subjected to seeing the same shit photo's albeit without a random 'filter' on it.

I like instagram, I can keep up with what my friends all over the world are up to in picture form via the photstream. If you don't like it, nobodys forced you to use it, so why get worked up about it?

Back to the original post: pretty shit I guess that they could sell my photos, I guess I'd be kind of annoyed, but I've never taken a 'good' photo with it, so I doubt they'll want any of my crap.

Some people deffo get too into it, trying to take amazing photo's with it, so i guess they're more bummed than people like me who just use it to document random stuff I see / do.

[Bean]

They ain't selling shit, it's a load I drivvle that reporters have made up to try and get a story to press as per usual

[Quick]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20777616

T&C in legal bable.... Not suprised that some misread it!!

[m4tt274]

to be fair, if you post on a social network, its almost a no brainer this is going to happen sooner or later.
its a public site, open to all.
Consider Twitter, when Ched Evans raped or didnt rape that girl. 9 people named her in tweets and had to pay £600 each to the victim. Its against the law for the press to name a rape victim, these laws are passed down onto twitter, facebook, instagram and any other publicly broadcast website. I would imagine this site itslef is included in these laws. Everyone has the ability to read up and know the rules, terms and conditions but few do.
If you decide your going to publicly display a picture with the knowledge that it could potentially be seen by millions+, why shouldnt the picture be used by someone.
Plenty of people on here have saved images of saxos from build threads etc and saved them to their PC. . . thats exactly the same concept.

[Ross]

to be fair, if you post on a social network, its almost a no brainer this is going to happen sooner or later.
its a public site, open to all.
Consider Twitter, when Ched Evans raped or didnt rape that girl. 9 people named her in tweets and had to pay £600 each to the victim. Its against the law for the press to name a rape victim, these laws are passed down onto twitter, facebook, instagram and any other publicly broadcast website. I would imagine this site itslef is included in these laws. Everyone has the ability to read up and know the rules, terms and conditions but few do.
If you decide your going to publicly display a picture with the knowledge that it could potentially be seen by millions+, why shouldnt the picture be used by someone.
Plenty of people on here have saved images of saxos from build threads etc and saved them to their PC. . . thats exactly the same concept.
Because why should someone else profit from my work?

Think of it as a piece of software rather than a photo. I create it, and distribute it for free on the internet. People like it. Someone else comes along, and then sets up a website and charged for what I made, and keeps all the profit not only without giving me a kickback, but without even bothering to ASK me for permission.

In your world that's fine too?

I don't mind someone saving a copy of a photo I upload for personal use. What I would object to (and have had removed from companies in the past) is their presumption, like yours, that because it's publicly available they can do with it what they want, including using it in promotional material. They cant.

[m4tt274]

i actually forgot while writing that they planned to sell.
i agree with you by the way, it would frustrate me.
Though, in the case you described, no patent/ownership/copyright is designated to that piece of software. When you broadcast on instagram, its for the use of others, much like on this forum, advice written on a JP4 conversion would be used by others.
If someone was writing a manual on the conversion, they could take your snippit of info and after adding it to their text publish it. You wouldn't be able to do much.

to get round the problem with instagram i guess everyone will have to create a little signature or similar for the pictures to 'mark' them.

[Ross]

the software in my example would be covered under creative commons (http://creativecommons.org/). :p

Regarding the forum posts, actually (I've not checked Saxp specifically) but generally ownership goes to the site owner once posted - most forums work this way. If someone copied a body of work somone else posted on the forum and sold it in a book, the forum owner could seek redress from the author of the book.

Copyright laws are one ares where the author is actually really well covered - in everything from the written word to photographs.

(take what I'm saying with a little pinch of salt as I've not been through the process more than a few times, mostly just a few takedown notices - Ryan is probably better placed to explain in more detail as although I used to be a professional photog, he obviously still is). :)

[craig180]

Lol at Instagram back tracking and trying to make out their T&Cs were misinterpreted.

Bullshit. They are just concerned that they will lose the bulk of their "members" and potential investors will fail to materialise so are now going to re-write them to cover their tracks.

The problem with T&Cs nowadays though is that a lot are open to interpretation, meaning that even if someone went against what you thought and published a photo you would have to enter into a lengthy legal battle against their lawyers. Can I be arsed with that?

If they even hint at being able to use any of my media for their own gain I will remove my account. Simple.

[m4tt274]

generally ownership goes to the site owner once posted -

im not well read up in this either.
but surely this is why instagram claim they can legally do this?
they wont be doing anything illegally that im certain. Especially with this Leveson inquiry thats been going since that voice mail hack! i doubt they would dare!

[Ashleyp]

im not well read up in this either.
but surely this is why instagram claim they can legally do this?
they wont be doing anything illegally that im certain. Especially with this Leveson inquiry thats been going since that voice mail hack! i doubt they would dare!

The Leveson report would have far less input into their decision making, Instagram is an American company, thus predominantly governed by American legislation, not UK laws. Obviously though, a grey area occurs because of it's large international presence as a company, but I don't really know much about technology law.

What I do know is that America's laws are far far more relaxed in terms of what the press and media can / can't get away with - although that, and the Leveson enquiry has little to do with Instagram.