Rally Designs Coilover kits?

[Alanapone]

I was informed recently that fitting the solid top mounts I have may raise the front end by 25mm or so. I thought i'd have a look into these coilover conversions that rally designs do. The bits seem pretty cheap so I MIGHT be able to afford this option. I know they won't be amazing BUT for the bit of track driving i'm planning they'll do until I can get some Gaz sourced.

Anyone had any experience with them?

What bits should I be getting?

I'll be running the will Bilstein B8's and standard ARB's, so what sort of poundage spring should I go for?

I was thinking that the following would do the job?

Springs (http://www.rallydesign.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=465_1153_1154&products_id=9356)

Threaded Tube Kit (http://www.rallydesign.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=3450)

Any ideas or other alternatives?

I am on a tight budget at the minute so Don't know what to do for the best. I might just leave the topmounts off until I can afford a better option.

[Alanapone]

No one used these yet then?

[AzzAW93]

No one used these yet then?

ive built some up but not used them yet, alot of people on the RR use rally design stuff :Y:

[Alanapone]

I saw that Stu, SexyGT used a set so I've PM'd him. I think they will do the job. I measured the struts etc and they should all fit together.

Main thing I want to know is if the ride height will be affected as I have been told. If it does then I'll get some money from somewhere to get the bits.

[piggy123]

Buy my gaz gold stock hatch setup.... Good price ;D

[Alanapone]

As I said in the first post, I'm on a tight budget with the baby and only one wage coming in.

Swap you my Billies though ;)

[piggy123]

Happy to take deposit then instalment for the rest :)

[Alanapone]

Lol. I'd love to have a great setup but I doubt I'd be able to afford them.

This is why the R/D setup is the only option for me at the minute. Just to satisfy my curiosity PM me with a price ;)

[piggy123]

Text me on
07769 292438 yo

[Alanapone]

Oh dear. Why do I get the feeling I'm about to find out I need to sell a kidney!! lol.

[Mochachino]

Why would the rally design kit do for the moment? You can use the rslly design kit and build coilovers that are much greater than the gaz kit. If anything you should be saying gaz will do until u get a decent rally design setup done.

The rally design kit is fine, weld the threaded collar on and fit your springs and dampers etc, then when you can afford better, forget about gaz and get some pugsport inserts and fresh springs.

[AlexB]

On b8s DONT
you need at least 225lb on these to not go coilbound so just hold fire till you get better dampers
B8s and 225s will be under damped

Agree with danny though
Pugsport inserts in this kit over gaz any day

[Alanapone]

K, sod it. I'll leave the setup as it is then and look at getting these bits later along with some other dampers. Shame, I wanted to fit the new top mounts with all the other newish bits but, they can wait.

Out of interest, is it just caster that changes with the different bolt orientation on the top mounts? I noticed while playing with them that one way round the strut is held to the rear of the hole and the other way round it is held to the front.

[AlexB]

Yes thats just caster

Its for cars without pas as standard they run in the forward position

I allways run them rearwards
If you have the same topmounts i did you can tweak a tiny bit more if you mod the shell right

[Alanapone]

I think their the same, I'll try and get a pic up later.

[Alanapone]

These ones are what I want to fit instead of standard ones.

[willsy]

Alan are those the old compbrake top mounts? If so check that the top mount holes line up, many of the older ones don't (compbrake cocked up measurements initially and refused to accept they were wrong for quite a while) and require filing out of the existing holes.

[AlexB]

He knows that matt

Yea same as mine i think
Ill get some snaps of my shell for you one day man

[Alanapone]

Alan are those the old compbrake top mounts? If so check that the top mount holes line up, many of the older ones don't (compbrake cocked up measurements initially and refused to accept they were wrong for quite a while) and require filing out of the existing holes.

Yeah, i know about the hole adjustment. :y:

Had a look again at these while Sam was here earlier. I see what your on about Alex!!

:wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall:

Think I'm going to have to look at running the stock top mounts..... OR.... mod them..... OR.... Spunk more money I don't have!!

Would 300lb springs be better with the B8's then??

[AlexB]

Would 300lb springs be better with the B8's then??

your going the wrong way
b8s run out of ability around 165-170 lb
to run a spring that low a rate in a 2.25" id it will go coilbound very easy thats the problem
to run a rate that wont go coilbound you need beefier dampers

[Alanapone]

Ahh, I see.

The springs would compress too much and smack together (coilbound?)

Right so that ideas bust then.

[AlexB]

very correct man

the coils become bound on each other basically becoming a solid tube resulting in shit handeling shit ride and a bang similar to that of raceland coilovers...

i bet with a few mods you could nock up a way to use those mounts on a stock spring
but really there is very little need for them on such a low rate

[Alanapone]

I've been looking at them and I think I could get them to work with some tweeking. Their's not much need, I agree but, I just wanna! hahaha.

Looks like i'm going to need to get on the lookout for some Grp N's or Pugsport dampers then!?

[AlexB]

good luck with pugsports popping up tbh

i rekon a little welding on the oe top spring pan if you really wanted too lol

remove the bearing and make a shallower bell that you weld on to the spring pan

[Alanapone]

I think I've figured an even easier way than that mate. :y:

I'll text you some pics when I figure it out a bit better.

[AlexB]

ok man
i can think of a very easy way to assemble it
but the top of the upper bell ends up level with the shell in the standard topmounts
so anywhere down from there raises the car hence the thickness of the topmount and the top hat is what youll lift the car straight assembly like that

[Alanapone]

WELL..... Turns out these dampers are Grp. N's. :y:

What poundage springs should I get and what length? Do i need helpers or just get the correct length spring?

[AlexB]

225lb 7" mains
40lb 4" helpers

[Alanapone]

Cheers dude. :y:

[AlexB]

youll also need a center pan to go between the springs to keep then seated

[Alanapone]

Yeah, just need to find some helpers. R/D do the centre plates as well so most of it will come from them I reckon.

Will be good to get something to save for and have a bash at. :D

[AlexB]

contact faulkner for helpers man
best bet

[Alanapone]

Just seen some Gaz helpers on ebay from some shop. £30 a pair for 3" 40lb.

Also seen that Tweeks do the faulkner main springs too. cor... I could spend a few quid if i'm not careful lol.

Just going to get the stuff from R/D and find some helpers when I'm ready to get them all.

I'm just looking at the minute as i have a few other bits to buy first ;)

After the fronts rebuilt of course!

[AzzAW93]

contact faulkner for helpers man
best bet

yoo alex me again ;)
its linked to this thread so ill say it in here. with my struts now built up with the helpers its fixed all my original niggles but caused another.
my issue now is that when coil bound my spring to helper seat hits the top spring pan before the helper goes coil bound.
now obviosly this could be avoided by running the helpers on the bottom but the helper spring locator pan wont pass the brass strut retaining nut.
is this a major problem?

[Alanapone]

yoo alex me again ;)
its linked to this thread so ill say it in here. with my struts now built up with the helpers its fixed all my original niggles but caused another.
my issue now is that when coil bound my spring to helper seat hits the top spring pan before the helper goes coil bound.
now obviosly this could be avoided by running the helpers on the bottom but the helper spring locator pan wont pass the brass strut retaining nut.
is this a major problem?

Could you not machine down the part that is fouling enough so it clear the coilbound spring etc but leaving enough to keep the spring in place?

[AlexB]

the options here are 2
skim both pans to clear each other
or go for a slightly heavier helper (thicker coils) or taller (more coils) so when its coilbound they dont

im certain we ran a 40lb 4in and were fine
if you do shorten the pans do both evenly and as little as you need so they only just clear you want as much as possible to keep the spring located

[AzzAW93]

Could you not machine down the part that is fouling enough so it clear the coilbound spring etc but leaving enough to keep the spring in place?

its very tight and both offending parties are pretty slim as they are so wont be able to take enough off :panic:
which means as it is with the car on the floor the top spring pan and helper spring locater will be butted together.

[Alanapone]

Longer helper springs are probably the only option then i guess?

What length and poundage do you currently have?

[AlexB]

so a heavier helper really then is the way to go
must be something changed slightly in the 2 years since i last built a set
try a 60lb 4"

it shouldnt massively effect the handeling unless you have no arb on the front

[AzzAW93]

ok ill see if tweeks will swap as there brand new. i was advised to get 4" 4lb springs so they only locate while the cars off the floor and when the cars on the floor there coil bound but obviously somethings abit queer.
ill have another look at seeing if i can get the helpers to sit at the bottom but i dont think they will/can

[AlexB]

4lb?!?!?!?!?

they wont be anywere near thick enough when coilboung they will be like paper surely????

and you may find even if you can get them to clear the thread you get the same issue on the threaded pans with such a light spring

[AzzAW93]

4lb?!?!?!?!?

they wont be anywere near thick enough when coilboung they will be like paper surely????

and you may find even if you can get them to clear the thread you get the same issue on the threaded pans with such a light spring

8mm coilbound iirc
so what are they made for as surely knowone can ever run them then haha if they just hit to and bottom?

[AlexB]

god knows man
who advised that btw??

[Alanapone]

8mm is hell of a low! are you sure they aren't 40lb? 4lb sounds mighty low!

[AlexB]

you can get silly helpers alan
never seen 4lb
lowest i have was 16lb on a car with push rod sus and teeny pans ect
but that was a little light single seat hillclimb thingy

[AzzAW93]

god knows man
who advised that btw??
bollocks! knowone did, i made that call on my own it appears :wall:
8mm is hell of a low! are you sure they aren't 40lb? 4lb sounds mighty low!

nope 4lb for sure
http://imageshack.us/a/img850/6310/img2013011500468.jpg

[Alanapone]

No way, that's nuts!!

Are they made out of kitchen foil?! lol.

[Alanapone]

Bloody hell, managed to post at the same time!

They ARE thin. Looks like some bigger helpers are needed for sure.

[AzzAW93]

mmmmhmmm looking at this for sure hahaha
http://imageshack.us/a/img96/8198/img2013012000488.jpg

[AlexB]

yea they are deffo too light haha

[Alanapone]

DEFFO need bigger helpers!

Thats well slim! :oops:

[AzzAW93]

Thats well slim! :oops:

OI less about me and back on topic :homme:

[AlexB]

this is saxp im amazed it took so long to wander off topic

mind on topic nothing has changed then i paniced for a minute as ive told a couple of people 40lb recenty lol

[Alanapone]

Lol. :homme:

[AzzAW93]

the clear problem...
http://imageshack.us/a/img132/6760/img2013012000490.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img829/1230/img2013012000491.jpg

what ya think? dangerous or just let them knock when lowering a jack

[AlexB]

they will knock all the time and do your head in like raceland coilovers

you NEED new helpers