Jayline - suspected scammer

[Martijn_M]

Sorry to interrupt but £350 for a half cage? I put mine up on here for £220 and people said rip off lol, now L20VTS is buying mine for £110, wish I advertised on the rallye register
This is including shipping to the Netherlands.
Still cheaper then getting one here.:wall:

[Gandi699]

It's going to the Netherlands? No wonder it's taking a while then!

[JoeHindle]

It's going to the Netherlands? No wonder it's taking a while then!

So after everything earlier or turns out it's going abroad...

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[jayline]

So after everything earlier or turns out it's going abroad...

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2, to piss Chr15 off.

Yup! It was dispatched last week and the guys is doing other jobs on the way! This guy paid for it beginning of the month but asked me to hold it till a certain date due to him going away! It's really pissing me off as the bloke who's delivering isn't answering either which is not helping my case!!

[Jay_]

He's nicked your cage and money.

[jayline]

He's nicked your cage and money.

Please don't say that! I'd be pissed as I'm just about to move into my first place and I would need to refund this t**t, quite annoying as I was getting quotes to deliver to him for like 250-300 but I got forwarded a number of This bloke would did it for half as much as this Martin guy didn't want to fork out!!!

And for the record I haven't said I won't give him his cash back I just want to wait to see if he gets it as I don't want to refund him then find out the cage arrived and he got it for free!!!

[JoeHindle]

Please don't say that! I'd be pissed as I'm just about to move into my first place and I would need to refund this t**t, quite annoying as I was getting quotes to deliver to him for like 250-300 but I got forwarded a number of This bloke would did it for half as much as this Martin guy didn't want to fork out!!!

And for the record I haven't said I won't give him his cash back I just want to wait to see if he gets it as I don't want to refund him then find out the cage arrived and he got it for free!!!

Its probably fitted to his car and he's bull shitting... no way it can be proved :/

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[jayline]

Its probably fitted to his car and he's bull shitting... no way it can be proved :/

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2, to piss Chr15 off.

Yeah probably as the driver ain't answering! And now he's filed a PayPal thig and I got no proof of it being sent but I do have an empty car ATM!!! :(

Going for a cry lol

[Martijn_M]

Please don't say that! I'd be pissed as I'm just about to move into my first place and I would need to refund this t**t, quite annoying as I was getting quotes to deliver to him for like 250-300 but I got forwarded a number of This bloke would did it for half as much as this Martin guy didn't want to fork out!!!

And for the record I haven't said I won't give him his cash back I just want to wait to see if he gets it as I don't want to refund him then find out the cage arrived and he got it for free!!!
Mate, if you refund me and the cage get's here after all i'll just transfer the money back. I dont want to pay for stuff i don't get and I don't want to have stuff that i didn't pay for.

[jayline]

Mate, if you refund me and the cage get's here after all i'll just transfer the money back. I dont want to pay for stuff i don't get and I don't want to have stuff that i didn't pay for.

Okay mate let see if arrives by Sunday as we said if not then ill sort out a refund bud? Fair game?

[Martijn_M]

Well, Jay got everything deleted here for some reason. But here's a nice update for you guys:

Jay said he was going to get me my money back. But keeps trying to postpone it. He wanted to get it back to me in monthly stalments. I didn't agree with that and sent him a message. But now it get's interesting.
I just got a message from a guy on RR that he picked up the cage at Jay's place last saturday. I haven't seen my money yet. So i'm off to the Police.

[Llardy]

Ummm.... Jays been a naughty boy.

[ed-bradley]

Shit just got real.

[Giraffe]

Well, Jay got everything deleted here for some reason. But here's a nice update for you guys:

Jay said he was going to get me my money back. But keeps trying to postpone it. He wanted to get it back to me in monthly stalments. I didn't agree with that and sent him a message. But now it get's interesting.
I just got a message from a guy on RR that he picked up the cage at Jay's place last saturday. I haven't seen my money yet. So i'm off to the Police.

Are you 100% that the guy you got a message off isn't the guy who picked it up to deliver it to you?

Also, if you don't want your posts deleting then perhaps posting your issues in this secton http://www.saxperience.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=134 would prevent it from being deleted. I think the reason it would have been deleted last time is because this isn't the correct place for it.

[Tom5190]

I'd be very supprised if this is true, got to be a mix up somewere i cant imagine jay ripping you out of £200+

[Martijn_M]

Are you 100% that the guy you got a message off isn't the guy who picked it up to deliver it to you?

Also, if you don't want your posts deleting then perhaps posting your issues in this secton http://www.saxperience.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=134 would prevent it from being deleted. I think the reason it would have been deleted last time is because this isn't the correct place for it.
Yes. He picked up the cage, paid for it and collected it.

I'd be very supprised if this is true, got to be a mix up somewere i cant imagine jay ripping you out of £200+
Well unfortunately it is.

Got another message from this guy with Jay's adress and phone number.
The phone number matches to the number which Jay gave me, which he said was the phone number for the courier... And the adress is a different adress then Jay gave me.

[jayline]

Right we agreed to wait till Sunday to see if the cage was delivered it wasn't!!! So u agreed to refund him but I can't do it all in one go as I've in the middle of moving into my own place so u said can I pay you installments, this would take 2 months tops to pay back as I don't have 350 laying about as I had to pay for a removal van, car transporter etc....

It's not like I'm saying I'm not going to refund you!!! It's just me saying I can do it over 2 months????


I've never have you my address mate? And the cage was picked up weeks ago? I've had alot if interest in that cage before it sold so numbers where exchanged etc....

I don't see your problem mate! Your getting a full refund? Why be a dick?

Also what police station you got the number for as ill happily head there now as be there for when you phone!!!

[Martijn_M]

Read this...

1: You gave me your adress when i asked for it. Which was in Herne Bay, Kent, while you live in Barnet, Hertfordshire.
2: You gave me a phone number, which was supposed to be of the courier, which is your own phone number.
3: I NEVER agreed on you paying in installments.
4: I asked for Track & Trace delivery. You agreed and would send me details. Never got them.
5: I get a message from a guy that he bought the cage from you and he picked it up last saturday.
6: You agreed on refunding me everything today, then you ask for paying in stalments which miht take 2 months?

I don't believe your stories anymore...

[jayline]

Read this...

1: You gave me your adress when i asked for it. Which was in Herne Bay, Kent, while you live in Barnet, Hertfordshire.
2: You gave me a phone number, which was supposed to be of the courier, which is your own phone number.
3: I NEVER agreed on you paying in installments.
4: I asked for Track & Trace delivery. You agreed and would send me details. Never got them.
5: I get a message from a guy that he bought the cage from you and he picked it up last saturday.
6: You agreed on refunding me everything today, then you ask for paying in stalments which miht take 2 months?

I don't believe your stories anymore...


Okay I find this hard to believe as many know in here I work a fucking lot and I was working all last weekend???? Also I didn't agree to refund you all today I said if it doesn't come on Sunday ill arrange a refund! I would of got you tracked or traced but it would of cost you alot more which you didn't want to!!! I was getting quotes of 200-300 delivering to you but I went out of my way to find a courier for your price range and I told you it would t be tracked it traced an you were fine?

As said before my name number and address was fine out to loads of people months ago as they were interested and tbh mate your pissing me right off as I don't have the cage here and it went weeks ago to you! Now I've said ill refund you so stop the bitching as your getting your money back!!!!

Anyways to some this up you will get all your money back but over 2 months as I don't have it all now as explained aboved! Pm me your details again ad I will arrange 2 payments into that account!!

I'm off to go enjoy my day off and finish my packing etc.,,,

[Martijn_M]

It's my money, so it's my call when i get it back...
Yeah you told me about the adress. But why give me a different one? And why give me your phone number when i ask for contact details on the courier?

[jayline]

It's my money, so it's my call when i get it back...
Yeah you told me about the adress. But why give me a different one? And why give me your phone number when i ask for contact details on the courier?

I have you the right address as I have two houses that I stay at???

An I totally agree its your call but I can't possibility pay you now as there isn't any to pay you with? I can pay you 100 Thursday and the rest next month! Take it or leave it as I can't do anything else!

[ed-bradley]

www.wonga.com

Have it straight away then.. Lol

[Martijn_M]

Still doesn't explain the phone number. And you have no proof you ever shipped it.
I don't want it in 2 months, just doesn't make any sense.

[Gandi699]

begs the question, where did the roll cage go

[jayline]

Still doesn't explain the phone number. And you have no proof you ever shipped it.
I don't want it in 2 months, just doesn't make any sense.

The phone number is my number for you to contact me on?

Well in sorry but it can't be sooner I just don't have it!

[jayline]

begs the question, where did the roll cage go

Not sure tbh mate a guy in a van came picked it up and said he will deliver it as he has other jobs in Europe todo and it be with him shortly? And that was the last I heard or saw of it and him!

[Giraffe]

Not sure tbh mate a guy in a van came picked it up and said he will deliver it as he has other jobs in Europe todo and it be with him shortly? And that was the last I heard or saw of it and him!

Even if the fella wouldn't stump up the extra for delivery, which of course we don't know how much he was willing to pay etc anyway, I'm startled that you would just let some random bloke in a van turn up and take the cage, given that it cost this other guy what, £350 was it? Opened the door to all sorts of potential problems like this...

[Tom5190]

Need to start a thread in the scammer/dispute section saves the epic spam in here

[Prickle]

Oh dear

[Martijn_M]

The phone number is my number for you to contact me on?

Well in sorry but it can't be sooner I just don't have it!

Right?

Can you get me the contact number of the guy that should deliver it?

Yeah sure matey! Give me a second it's on a piece of paper lol!


The number is 077******48,

Don't try to cover your ass on here.
Why would some random person contact me to say he picked up the cage anyway? Doesn't make any sense.

[Giraffe]

Right?





Don't try to cover your ass on here.
Why would some random person contact me to say he picked up the cage anyway? Doesn't make any sense.

Right mate, you could have typed all that out if you wanted, you really need screen shots but you really need to make a thread in the suspected scammer section to take this further, instead of spamming up this thread. I gave you a link to it earlier, so use it.

[Martijn_M]

I'm getting the screenshots sorted and will make a topic there.

[jayline]

Please screen shot the whole lot and post it up!!!!

And stop spamming this thread make another! This is a progress thread!

[Martijn_M]

This has been slightly discussed in Jay's Flat Arch Project topic. Got directed here.

The story:
Jay offered an OMP half Cage on the Rallye Register. I was interested, messaged him etc. We agreed on a price incl shipping. I asked for shipping with Track & Trace. I transferred the money on the 6th of February.
I still don't have the cage, and he can't refund the money.

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(I deleted adresses/phone numbers for privacy sake.)

In short:

- He shipped it without track & trace while i asked for it
- He has no proof he shipped it
- Gives me his own number when i ask for the couriers number
- Gives me a different adress then his actual adress.
- Guy messaged me he picked up the cage last saturday
- He wants to refund me in parts, 100 pounds this week and the rest next month?
- Deletes for sale topic on RR after somebody posted he picked up the cage

All in i don't have much confidence in this. It just doesn't add up for me. I just want my money back.

[Scott]

Agreed, post a thread in the scammers section as it certainly appears to warrant it.

Scammers section will get the recognition is deserves and dont forget to use the itrader system.

[jayline]

Agreed, post a thread in the scammers section as it certainly appears to warrant it.

Scammers section will get the recognition is deserves and dont forget to use the itrader system.

Thank you, could you do a quick clean up :)

[Martijn_M]

Oh, and i transferred the money to April Walker. This name was linked to the e-mail adress he gave me for PayPal. After facebooking some stuff i found out this was his girlfriend. Didn't bother me to much.

[Jack]

Could the mods on RR get the deleted thread back somehow? That might clear up some of the problem up if you think he has sold it to somebody else.

[jayline]

Right I believe there isn't a screen shot if where I said who was delivering it and that it wasn't going to be tracked or traced but funny that!!!

Also the only PayPal we have is the girlfriends so that's why!

Anyways I've agreed to refund you so I believe that's case closed!

Please pm me your PayPal and ill arrange a payment this Thursday an the rest mid next month!

[Martijn_M]

The same guy who posted in that thread sent me a PM aswell. See the screenshots.

[Jack]

The same guy who posted in that thread sent me a PM aswell. See the screenshots.

Sorry, I must be blind :oops:

[Martijn_M]

Right I believe there isn't a screen shot if where I said who was delivering it and that it wasn't going to be tracked or traced but funny that!!!

Also the only PayPal we have is the girlfriends so that's why!

Anyways I've agreed to refund you so I believe that's case closed!

Please pm me your PayPal and ill arrange a payment this Thursday an the rest mid next month!

That's the whole problem really. You said you were going to give me details as soon as possible, i never got any.

This still doesn't solve the phone number mistery.

And i don't want it next month. I want the money back today.

[Ross]

I'll tidy this thread and migrate to a new post. Please bear with me.

[jayline]

Okay that bloke was interested but he was told that it was sold?

Anyways so as I requested and send me your details again?

[jayline]

Okay well you can jog on mate! I can't pay it today as I don't have the money! I've said that all day? I said you can get a payment Thursday and the rest in a few weeks?

I'm trying to do the best I can but I can't give yaoneu I don't have?

[mlawlan69]

Okay well you can jog on mate! I can't pay it today as I don't have the money! I've said that all day? I said you can get a payment Thursday and the rest in a few weeks?

I'm trying to do the best I can but I can't give yaoneu I don't have?

You can jog on??!

Are you actually for real, you owe this lad £350 and your talking to him like a cunt? How do you know he doesn't need this money just as much as you do, it is his at the end of the day.

Perhaps not spending hundreds of pounds on engines never getting driven you should be clearing debts, disgraceful.

[Giraffe]

Just lend the money off your Dad and sort this out Jay, you did tell me you had a rich Dad after all.

You seriously need to sort it though as from what this fella has posted it looks like you're 100% in the wrong, and it's also a bit fishy that you asked him to pay via gift, that's just not the done thing IMO.

[jayline]

You can jog on??!

Are you actually for real, you owe this lad £350 and your talking to him like a cunt? How do you know he doesn't need this money just as much as you do, it is his at the end of the day.

Perhaps not spending hundreds of pounds on engines never getting driven you should be clearing debts, disgraceful.

Okay for one I haven't spent it on just the car! I have other stuff aswell to pay for and we agreed if it didn't come the Sunday just been ( yesterday) we will sort out a refund! It's been 1 day past the deadline and all I've done is offer him the refund??? And it's prick likes you that don't know the whole story that interfer that make this alot worse than it is!


I still haven't had a pm regarding his choice of payment method or any details as I've requested so he must not be that desperate?

[jayline]

Just lend the money off your Dad and sort this out Jay, you did tell me you had a rich Dad after all.

You seriously need to sort it though as from what this fella has posted it looks like you're 100% in the wrong, and it's also a bit fishy that you asked him to pay via gift, that's just not the done thing IMO.

I wish it was that simple matey I do but due to him being inside I can't :(

I've got alot of cash coming in the beginning of April so I can pay the rest off then! All I've said is take 100 this Thursday and wait a few weeks get the rest then case solved then I will look into where the cage is!

Also the reason I sai to pay via gift is if you ever deal with him he is very tight and I he hates spending cash hense they whole cheap courier thing as I believe you get charged alot for big amounts if I'm right?

[Giraffe]

I wish it was that simple matey I do but due to him being inside I can't :(

I've got alot of cash coming in the beginning of April so I can pay the rest off then! All I've said is take 100 this Thursday and wait a few weeks get the rest then case solved then I will look into where the cage is!

Who's that Walker bloke that has PM'd him? Do you know?

[Martijn_M]

Just sent you a message on here.

[jayline]

Who's that Walker bloke that has PM'd him? Do you know?

He was a dude interested in it the same time as this guy but Martyn paid for it first so he lost out!


I have relieved his payment details and all is going well just waiting on a number so u can call him ( going to cost a fortune)

[Ross]

Merged everything I can. Forgive some disjointed posts but it should all be here. Ta.

[Ross]

Sorry for this topic being locked for an hour or so guys - when I locked jays progress to allow me to edit/merge it copied the "locked" status over into this thread and I didn't spot it. It's now reopened.

Sorry for any inconvenience.

[smiith]

To be fair on Jay, the guy said in his PM, Can you track and trace, AFTER paying.. So he paid for the postage, knowing it was the cheaper one, then requesting it to be track and trace.

Stupid on Jays part, for just handing it over to some bloke who rolled up in a van, with no paper work, no records of pick up or anything, not even a reg number of the van..

Jay shouldn't have really spend the money until the guy had received the cage really, but hey ho..

Both a bit to blame, Martin wanted cheap ass postage, then requested jay to use a more expensive one after paying for the cheapo, Jay was silly using some bloke in a white van, who has probably painted it and sold it elsewhere..

[jayline]

Right I just called my local police office ad they said for you Martyn to call them, and they advised me not to pay a penny till they have done an investigation into this! As this is a common situation apparently meaning the cage has been sold on via a dodgie courier and also they said that there is a possibility that you have the rollcage and your trying to scam me!!!

But I'm still more than happy to pay you 100 Thursday and the rest in a month as I said via pm! As I just spent alot in moving into my new place which I had to do or I stuck for a place to live!

Do now I'm advice you to call them as they are awaiting to speak to you!

[Steph_at_constella]

he will need the crime ref number and details of the officer dealing with this as well as your local station Jay

[Gandi699]

Who recommended this courier to you? Surely there must be some record of who it is and the company they are affiliated with

[smiith]

This is exactly why i don't ship abroad, and if i do, i make them sort their own courier, then i know they cant accuse me of overpriced shipping, and once its left my house, its no longer my problem at all!

[jayline]

he will need the crime ref number and details of the officer dealing with this as well as your local station Jay

Hi, there isn't one as I didn't report it as a crime I was telling them the situation and getting advice on what I should do! Also he has the local police stations number apparently but I'm willing to forward it if he was lying!

Who recommended this courier to you? Surely there must be some record of who it is and the company they are affiliated with

It was from someone from work and he isn't a firm mate its more of a side job he said :/ more fool me but it was the best I could do as he wouldn't pay anymore!

This is exactly why i don't ship abroad, and if i do, i make them sort their own courier, then i know they cant accuse me of overpriced shipping, and once its left my house, its no longer my problem at all!

I wish I did tbh but he asked and I said ill see what I can do, I could of used a big firm like ups but he didn't want to pay the price and I also got quotes of Shiply but they were for 200-300 and he only wanted to pay 150 tops!

[Steph_at_constella]

Hi, there isn't one as I didn't report it as a crime I was telling them the situation and getting advice on what I should do! Also he has the local police stations number apparently but I'm willing to forward it if he was lying!



Pretty sure you would have got an officers badge number and name to deal with though.

If not you could have just called Citizens Advice.

[smiith]

Should have just sold it in england if others were interested tbh.

Live and learn eh

[jayline]

Pretty sure you would have got an officers badge number and name to deal with though.

If not you could have just called Citizens Advice.

Nope I called the number and it directed me to a switch board and I said I need advice on this matter explained briefly and they was able to help there! The women was lovely and said that its okay and tha they will wait for him to contact them and them they will open a case!

[jayline]

Should have just sold it in england if others were interested tbh.

Live and learn eh

This is true but England is full of MESSERS and time wasters lol

[Gandi699]

Begs the question why anyone would buy a half cage when the shipping is that much. Surely it would be cheaper to get one made or buy one in the country where he lives?

[jayline]

Begs the question why anyone would buy a half cage when the shipping is that much. Surely it would be cheaper to get one made or buy one in the country where he lives?

Apparently not but who knows :/ I was pretty sure it would of but tbh he seems to perfect to me! And tbh I don't have any proof he doesn't have the cage!!!

[Martijn_M]

Having one made in the same specifications would end up being more expensive. That's why i bought this one.

I'll give them a call tommorow when you get me the number.

[jayline]

Having one made in the same specifications would end up being more expensive. That's why i bought this one.

I'll give them a call tommorow when you get me the number.

Sent you the pm sorry forgot to paste it into the message!

[jayline]

Right the number of borehamwood police station has been sent over, this is the nearest police station to me, he said he will call them tomorrow so I will wait for an update then!

[Martijn_M]

Still want to have two things explained.

- Why did you give me your own number when i asked for the couriers number?

- Why does someone message me he bought the cage of you last saturday?

Both things don't make any kind of sense to me.

[jayline]

Still want to have two things explained.

- Why did you give me your own number when i asked for the couriers number?

- Why does someone message me he bought the cage of you last saturday?

Both things don't make any kind of sense to me.

First one was a miss understanding in my behave I admit that and the second one is a mystery to me as I was working all last weekend and work can prove that!!! I left for work at 3 everyday and didn't get out if bed till 1 leaving me 2 hours to get up and ready and I didn't return home till 2-3 in the morning!!!

[BIG]

When was the cage picked up and sent?

[Martijn_M]

If the number is a misunderstanding. Why do you say it's on a piece of paper somewhere?

Adding everything up, it get's weirder with the minute.

[jayline]

Was picked up around the 13th-14thbi think can't be sure as I had to keep deleting my messages to allow him to contact me as I'm not a full member on other sites so inbox has limited allowance!

[jayline]

If the number is a misunderstanding. Why do you say it's on a piece of paper somewhere?

Adding everything up, it get's weirder with the minute.

I can give it now, and it was a human area and I apologise I di have it somewhere on a piece of paper!

[rick_VTR]

never send anything abroad, more hassel than its worth.

[jayline]

never send anything abroad, more hassel than its worth.

I 100% believe this now mate! Never again!

[gazza808]

if someone else apparently bought it, why not ask them for a photo of it?
would solve this pretty quickly tbh.

[jayline]

if someone else apparently bought it, why not ask them for a photo of it?
would solve this pretty quickly tbh.

I agree, as I want to know where it is as I want it back!! As I'm losing out here!

[Dan-Subtle]

What's the contact number for the guy that collected the cage and was supposed to deliver it? I'm sure the sax-p investigators can dig up some information about the so called dodgy courier.

A few things don't quite add up here but to be honest at the end of the day Martyn is out of pocket by £350 and should not have to be paid back in instalments. Can you not use your insurance money you have ticked aside to repay him Jay?

Hopefully there is a good outcome for both parties.

[jayline]

What's the contact number for the guy that collected the cage and was supposed to deliver it? I'm sure the sax-p investigators can dig up some information about the so called dodgy courier.

A few things don't quite add up here but to be honest at the end of the day Martyn is out of pocket by £350 and should not have to be paid back in instalments. Can you not use your insurance money you have ticked aside to repay him Jay?

Hopefully there is a good outcome for both parties.

yep ill get that number and chuck it up when im home :)

also i spent my insurance money on the move :( as i had to hire a company to move my stuff and a car transporter etc... also deposits arent cheap these days :(

[lwigmore]

Surely you can have a word with the lad at your work jay who recommended that bloke courier to you?

Also should never ship abroad unless they organise the courier themselves :y:

[Ross]

Jay.

What is the details of the courier you used? Name and phone number as minimum. Pm me if you prefer and I'll see if I can find anything out

Martyn. This other person who contacted you saying he'd bought the cage? Who is it? Again pm me if you prefer. The Saxo/106 world is pretty small and I know a LOT of users if the combined forums.

[jayline]

Surely you can have a word with the lad at your work jay who recommended that bloke courier to you?

Also should never ship abroad unless they organise the courier themselves :y:

i have and he said thats the number was passed onto him and he said he doesnt know him just had a the one dealing with him shipping a car!!!

[jayline]

Jay.

What is the details of the courier you used? Name and phone number as minimum. Pm me if you prefer and I'll see if I can find anything out

Martyn. This other person who contacted you saying he'd bought the cage? Who is it? Again pm me if you prefer. The Saxo/106 world is pretty small and I know a LOT of users if the combined forums.

pm'ed you ross :)

[Martijn_M]

Sent a PM aswell.

[Ross]

Yep - can't find anything at all for that I'm afraid. You're on your own, :(

[jayline]

Yep - can't find anything at all for that I'm afraid. You're on your own, :(

Cheers for trying Ross!!! Top fella, Spose I might have to sell the Saxo :(

[lwigmore]

Cheers for trying Ross!!! Top fella, Spose I might have to sell the Saxo :(

Surely not? :(

[jayline]

Surely not? :(

Well tbh I do now owe this guy a refund and due to me not having money from this move and him not accepting my offer of 100 Thursday and the rest next month with a little interest from me being an idiot and spending the money before he received the cage! This is my only option as I don't use loan companies etc...

But it's okay as my grandads mate has a furio with a knackered beam that I can have for free so....

[Martijn_M]

I guess someone has some explaining to do...

http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy194/MartijnMb/14_zpscfb4e7ff.jpg

http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy194/MartijnMb/15_zps221247c8.jpg

[VT_Kris]

Ooooooo shits just got interesting

[Sophia_Bush]

this is a bit shocking really

[m4tt274]

im on phone and missed Page 2-4, read page 1 and up to here on page 5.
Could someone provide like a news in brief style catch up for me?

At first i was all for defending Jayline but just seeing that last picture, i dont know its context but i take it Jay's been a naughty guy?

[wadoryu]

Jesus tities Christ

[Cam]

im on phone and missed Page 2-4, read page 1 and up to here on page 5.
Could someone provide like a news in brief style catch up for me?

At first i was all for defending Jayline but just seeing that last picture, i dont know its context but i take it Jay's been a naughty guy?

This....

[mlawlan69]

Wait, so who is this guy sending the pictures?

The "courier" or someone else jay also sold the cage to.

And jay told me I was a prick, lol.

[Martijn_M]

The guy sending the pictures is a fellow member on RR.
He bought the cage of Jay last saturday.

[Cam]

Oh dear.

:/

[OllieVigar]

So you have payed for a cage for some one else? Or you both payed for the cage but hes got it?

[tillygti6]

Its only a tiny picture on the phone, but has the car in the background got a uk number plate?

[ed-bradley]

What a conundrum.

[Ross]

What is this showing us? To me - that looks like you now have the cage?

[Tom5190]

Lol at the amount of people viewing this.

OP you're going to have to pm a mod with the details of said person whos been in contact i imagine to ensure them photos are not your own. Unless miller does that thing were you can see when the photos were taken not sure if that reveales were?

[ed-bradley]

Its only a tiny picture on the phone, but has the car in the background got a uk number plate?

Looks like a UK plate to me, on a Ford Maverick:homme:

[mlawlan69]

Impossible to tell the plate on that I'm afraid, car looks to have nos or something?

Either way jay has openly admitted in this thread to needing cash, guess this is how he did it.

[Martijn_M]

I paid for it the 6th of February.

The other guy paid him cash last saturday and picked it up. He didn't know i already bought it.

[tillygti6]

If thats a uk plate then the cage is still in the uk.
If a 3rd party has an indigo rallye on the rr its not going to be hard to find out who it is.

[holdawayt]

Op is foreign, so if he had that cage fitted in his car the background car wouldn't have uk plates now would it?

Jay has sold the cage to Martyn, then another punter from the uk has also paid jay for the cage. UK bloke collected the cage, Martyn lost out.

Shocking behaviour from Jay really. Shame as he seemed decent.

[Ross]

So why does the photo have your name on it?

[Tom5190]

Why is your name in the photo though?

[holdawayt]

That's a fair point

[Sophia_Bush]

think photo has his name on it form the guy to show him its the cage? could be wrong but thats the idea I get form it

[jones91]

Looks like in the photo a mr D Walker has collected the cage, and the pic has Martijn's name on it so it shows he is being genuine about having the cage

hope that makes sense, and that's how I'm seeing it tbh

Edit: yeah basically what Gav said above

[LVC]

All sounds a bit fishy this???

Don't write off sending stuff abroad chaps - I live in France and have bought loads of stuff form the UK (this forum, ebay and others) and all has arrived safely with no probs. As long as it's via a decent courier (DHL, TNT etc.) with a tracking number then it avoids any "lost items" and both buyer and seller know where the item is. Def don't send it by "man with a van" as no-one's got any comeback in the event of it going astray.

Not an easy case to read this one - Jay may or may not have sent it to Martijn, on the other hand Martijn may have got a pal to post up the photo and message to get his money back and already has the cage.

Only real solution is if Jay can get proof that it was delivered to Martijn from the delivery man - without this proof a refund seems to be the only option.

Anyone got Judge Judy's number ?

[mlawlan69]

Do.you guys really think he would be as dumb as to include his name, its obviously he requested that do he can guarantee a genuine photo.

[Ross]

It's not a question of being dumb, we're seeking clarity.

[Martijn_M]

What is this showing us? To me - that looks like you now have the cage?

No. That someone else has the cage!

I brightened up the photo:

http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy194/MartijnMb/15_2_zps2e5597e4.jpg

As you can see this car has the battery located in the back, braided brake lines running through the car. No interior what so ever. Car has no wiper and an RR register sticker on the rear window.

My car looks like this on the inside, battery is still in the engine compartment. Has a rear wiper and no sticker of the RR register on the rear window.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/664838_4778881869004_1556484761_o.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/p206x206/37073_4973404851957_1321692120_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/135007_4809235947837_538128089_o.jpg

[Ross]

Thanks Martijn.

[Martijn_M]

So why does the photo have your name on it?

Why is your name in the photo though?

So the other guy couldn't just get a photo from the internet to "proof" he had the cage.

[Ross]

Unfortunately the rallye register site has been down for a few days so I can't contact the other buyer to talk to him, but I'll be honest, I'm really siding with Martijn right now.

Jay - I really think you need to deal with this. You're an adult so I'm not going to tell you what to do, but how it looks is criminal not accidental.

[Tom5190]

Yet again 100% proof that paypal 'Gift' is bollocks. Dont understand why anyone uses gift to buy things. I just bought an indicator for £10 i still did it as goods!

[mlawlan69]

Your car looks so nice!!

[tillygti6]

Martijn your pictures of your car dont really prove anything. But if you pm a mod.. ross? The email without the redactions itl be easy to find out where the email/user/photosender is based uk or otherwise. I believe you btw. But as you and the photo both have indigo ralkyes youl need to work a bit harder

[Ross]

I already have the other buyers details - Martijn sent me them already. The problem is contact is via the RR which us currently down. I want to help as best we can but realistically, there's not much I can do - if this turns out to be intentional (and it does look that way from where I'm sat - then it's a matter for the police tbh.

[Mike-]

Just get the other buyer ( Guy who has the cage ) to take a picture inside the boot, facing the dash, as the OP has a left hand drive 106 and the UK lad will have a right hand drive. Simples

[Martijn_M]

Yet again 100% proof that paypal 'Gift' is bollocks. Dont understand why anyone uses gift to buy things. I just bought an indicator for £10 i still did it as goods!

Totally agreed! Everywhere on PayPal it says BUYER PROTECTION bla bla bla. I never used PayPal to transfer money to another person, cause i never bought anything outside Holland that's not from a company.
I called PayPal last friday about this. The guy on the phone told me i couldn't do a chargeback. He then directed me to some page where it says private transfers can't be charged back. It was hidden somewhere. How the hell would i know.

If i knew you couldn't charge your money back on a private transfer i would've never done it.

[tillygti6]

Also the email, says sent from my iphone. Note its english as opposed to dutch??. So likely the piccy is off a uk phone.

[tillygti6]

Ok battery is uk nearside rear. You wouldnt put the battery behind driver in an lhd....

[mlawlan69]

Also the email, says sent from my iphone. Note its english as opposed to dutch??. So likely the piccy is off a uk phone.

Very well spotted.

:detective:

[m4tt274]

truthfully, dishonesty in situations like this boils my piss.

i had a set of 17' Raceland RL7s stolen by a forum member who i trusted to respray them. (not this forum, it was way back when i was like 16 and building the p100) He seemed decent, i got to know him, then once he took the wheels he was gone.
i can honestly say i have never conned anyone or stolen a thing and i'm disappointed that people who seem like decent people on here would do this.
its something that simply shouldn't happen. If Jaylines so strapped for cash he shouldn't be throwing money at a heap of shit dream box.

[tillygti6]

Sadly this sort of thing is very common over forums. People assume post count means trustworthy

[gazza808]

Ross if your having problems contacting people on rr,
If you want I can pm them been a member on there years and mines working fine?
But tbh to me this is how I thought it'd turn out.
If I knew id sent a cage for some one I wouldn't be so quick to just agree to a refund. I'd be hunting down 'mr random van man'.

This is even why I'll cover the fees myself just incase.

[Ross]

I don't get the site even load - just as off its offline?

Anyway - Martijn has given me the email address of the other guy so I can always email him in the daytime. I have a very important assessment tomorrow (exam) I need for work so can't stay too late tonight here and won't be in so much tomorrow during the day, but I'll check in to find out what's going on.

[Martijn_M]

Same here sometimes. Then it loads flawlessly and then it seems to be offline for half an hour.

[gazza808]

Mines fine,
Though I am accessing it from a different continent, loads better here than when I'm at home make sense of that.

[saxoman1610]

Ross if your having problems contacting people on rr,
If you want I can pm them been a member on there years and mines working fine?
But tbh to me this is how I thought it'd turn out.
If I knew id sent a cage for some one I wouldn't be so quick to just agree to a refund. I'd be hunting down 'mr random van man'.

This is even why I'll cover the fees myself just incase.

was thinking same about refund, ide argue to end because i know ide sent it

[Mike-]

was thinking same about refund, ide argue to end because i know ide sent it

But it looks like he never sent it, thats what hes getting at, that hes given up pretty easy considering he has supposedly lost a cage to a white van man, Although i do agree. If i had sent something like that no way would I just give up and offer a refund.

[saxoman1610]

But it looks like he never sent it, thats what hes getting at, that hes given up pretty easy considering he has supposedly lost a cage to a white van man, Although i do agree. If i had sent something like that no way would I just give up and offer a refund.

i know that he may or may not sent it, looks like he tried to rip off holland bloke and failed, bad luck, hope it all gets sorted tho, just dont see why you would want to scam seeing as you have such a reputation on a forum

[Prickle]

http://members.modernvespa.net/belkwinith/uploads/anchorman_well_that_escalated_quickly_966.jpg

In short. Jay sold the cage to both guys (fair chunk of cash, aye ;)) and the fella in the UK collected it and the foreign dude thinking :fcuk: wheres my £350 cage at!? There was no such thing as a "random van man" this was just a delay tactic and tbf who the hell would even give something worth that much to a random van man LOL anyway!

Holy shit. ibtl.

[wadoryu]

I know he's seen this as he's now unfriend'd me on facebook :/ seems odd, and an utter shame tbh.

[jones91]

I know he's seen this as he's now unfriend'd me on facebook :/ seems odd, and an utter shame tbh.
He's also changed his Facebook name by the looks of it, probably so he can carry on selling (or scamming :p)

[Llardy]

He's also changed his Facebook name by the looks of it, probably so he can carry on selling (or scamming :p)

His Facebook is still active and under the same name I believe. Maybe he just doesn't like some people and wanted to delete them.

[welshpug]

no issues here loading the RR, its just a bit slow sometimes.

http://guildwars.incgamers.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/banhammer.jpg

[Martijn_M]

He has been online yesterday night and this morning and he hasn't replied in this topic. What a coincidence. :n:

[m4tt274]

we should all send him lovely messages sharing our thoughts with him.

[fuzzy_orange]

This member has been permanently banned from 106owners for trying to sell the same roll cage FYI

[m4tt274]

Jayline, the new owner or the euro bloke?

[AdamB]

Jayline

[baker556]

I've met Jayline (johnathan) once went to his house in Herne Bay to buy an exhaust all seemed fine nice guy and everything.

Jayline i think you need to come on here and wrap things up tell everyone the truth as to what's happened, then if you don't have the cash take out a loan from wonga or a family friend to pay the guy back.

It just doesn't add up, some bloke in a van came and collected it i don't have his number, no guarantee for something worth £350, alarm bells start ringing just here.

Although martin paying £350 from another country you should have done some more research into paypal etc.

If kinda reminds me of Nick Hewit thread, Martin i know some boys that would be willing to help out for a small fee ;)

[VeiRoN]

How come Jay didn't reply in 3-4 pages now,just when things got more clear?

[OllieVigar]

realistically, if they went to the police should jay be done for anything? Just wondering here as he sent the money to jay via gift.

[Scott]

and you think that sending an electronic gift over paypay would hold up in court when its clearly evidenced that the "gift" was to pay for a product/service etc...

Any competent lawyer would have a field day with that one.

[Pitbull69]

realistically, if they went to the police should jay be done for anything? Just wondering here as he sent the money to jay via gift.

still classed as fraud, as there is evidence of why the money was sent, so it would still be clear to the police that he had no intention of sending the item and just wanted the extra money

[smiith]

Well, Jay has some serious explaining to do!

I tried sticking up for him at 1st, but now its just looking like he has had someones eyes out, and thought he could just get away with it, with it been someone foreign..

[Sophia_Bush]

Martijn will probably know more on this but on r/r the other day on the for sale thread when all this kicked off a 2nd person came forward saying he'd been offered the cage to threads been delete but the d walker guy also posted saying he got the cage

[Ross]

Jaylines access to the for sale section here has been revoked until this is sorted to everyone's satisfaction.

[Ross]

Also for clarity, here is a pm I received from jayline at 01:15 this morning.


Hi, you seem to be a decent guy to talk to and so far it looks bad on my behave but I did send the cage off! I have spoke to the local police and I'm meeting with them tomorrow, also I would like to add that a guy on behave of martyin phoned me and we have agreed to a refund in a months time when I will have the full amount and I am to contact him when I will be making a payment!

I don't know how this bloke got the cage I really don't as the time he was "meant to of picked it up" I was at work?

I have given details of this man who was meant to deliver the cage to the police aswell as his van details!

I would appreciate it if you could lock the page fr now so no more can be added by 3rd parties and trolls!

Cheers ross

[tillygti6]

Thats bullshit. If matey with the cage had anything to worry about he would be keeping himself quiet.
If you genuinely bought it, you would help out.

[Ross]

Last active : 14:59 today

[Jizanthapus]

Don't really want to get involved or anything but is this jayline still trying to say he sent it to holland but there's someone in the uk that says they bought it off jayline??

Also it's behalf not behave lol

[m4tt274]

It would be helpful if the second buyer was to share his side. Anyone on RR got access to him?

[JP5000]

This is very poor ! Feel for Martyn never skimp on delivery charges even a simple signature for a small fee is of some benefit jay is still posting on uk French owners but looks to be raising funds lets hope for pay back ?

[MartinObviously]

jayline should pay him back if he doesn't want people to look at him funny.

which right now, a lot of people are :P

[blackie_2k5]

I've held off on posting here because its a pretty messy situation to begin with, and I thought jay was a canny lad

But I have to say its really pissed me off the way some ppl have posted in regards to the lad that's clearly been scammed here, he's came here for help getting a large amount of money back and been made to look like he's at fault

Call me syncical but its been pretty clear from the start what's happened here,

If the police have been involved then crime numbers should be requestable, if he managed to find a courier there must be at least a phone number for this, and he must have gotten it from somewhere?? Phone numbers just don't pop up out of the blue, so this courier would be traceable

Nor do ppl hand over roll cages to post abroad to ppl with such little info about them??

Sorry jay you seemed like a nice lad but you pissed in your own bed on this one as far as i can see, the way you spoke of this lad a few pages back, who you've clearly ripped off is a joke.

Be a man and just own up, silly stories make you look like a right cunt, just admit it and sort this lad some money out ASAP

[Prickle]

Andy's howling

[Martijn_M]

Well, he keeps saying he sent the cage. But he can't proof it.
And i still never got any details on this courier.

And it still doesn't make any sense someone else bought it last saturday.
Jay said he had to be at work at 1pm or 3pm or something. Enough time on the rest of the morning to sell a cage!

I've had enough of all Jay's stories, don't even want the cage anymore. Just want the money back. PayPal, my bank, the local Police and a law firm are sorting it out for me now.

[Chris_O]

Exactly what I wanted to say blackie, but you've done it for me. Also, that pm sent to Ross by Jayline is the biggest crock of shit i've ever read. Implying he doesn't have a clue how this guy on r/r has now got the cage he sold, does he really think everyone is that dumb?

[welshpug]

http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy194/MartijnMb/12_zpsa998aa24.jpg

[jayline]

A deal has been set with his lawyer bloke and we have arranged a date for a refund! Sorry for the delay but don't have time to let everyone know my personal issues!!!

So a refund is being arranged and a date set!


Cheers

[Chris_O]

A deal has been set with his lawyer bloke and we have arranged a date for a refund! Sorry for the delay but don't have time to let everyone know my personal issues!!!

So a refund is being arranged and a date set!


Cheers

I think now would probably be a perfect time for you to explain the truth. Your personal issues do not need to be brought in to it to be honest.

[smiith]

So in reality, you ripped him off, you were trying to delay to see if the issue would just go and you would get paid twice, legal people have been involved, and you are paying him...

0 defence put up about selling the cage to another bloke, so we are to suspect thats true, and you did it?..

ROSSSS

http://www.viscerotica.net/pictures/commentary/magic_banhammer.jpg

[kb_pricevtr]

This is a fuck up (by jayline) of epic proportions!!

[mlawlan69]

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTqhcUKjD4c-L8ncrJC6sr9TK3dZQu94fk7UCtwsydwPX4FvB2y

This is what I thought of!

[MickyWelsh172]

What an Epic read. To sum it up, D.T.A (Don't Trust Anybody)

[ed-bradley]

He's just uploaded pictures on the Book of Face of his new house or whatever.
Theres a TV in one picture, surely gotta be worth flogging to cash converters for £350.. And them curtains.
http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/549829_564993770191880_1749334230_n.jpg

[01amatti]

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/02/28/7usu3yny.jpg


Sent from my saxo using Tapatalk HD

[Jizanthapus]

He's just uploaded pictures on the Book of Face of his new house or whatever.
Theres a TV in one picture, surely gotta be worth flogging to cash converters for £350.. And them curtains.
http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/549829_564993770191880_1749334230_n.jpg

Lovely 3 piece suite






:S

[Gandi699]

haha the above is epic, you just cant hide on the internet these days

[MartinObviously]

that TV looks like an LG, probably not get £350 for it but I see your point there :p

[jayline]

He's just uploaded pictures on the Book of Face of his new house or whatever.
Theres a TV in one picture, surely gotta be worth flogging to cash converters for £350.. And them curtains.
http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/549829_564993770191880_1749334230_n.jpg

why would i want to do that? we have agreed on a date to be paid back, so there is no need to sell anything!

[Jizanthapus]

why would i want to do that? we have agreed on a date to be paid back, so there is no need to sell anything!

True, you wouldn't hand over the goods anyway :fcuk:

[Alfie09]

This is very poor ! Feel for Martyn never skimp on delivery charges even a simple signature for a small fee is of some benefit jay is still posting on uk French owners but looks to be raising funds lets hope for pay back ?

A deal has been set with his lawyer bloke and we have arranged a date for a refund! Sorry for the delay but don't have time to let everyone know my personal issues!!!

So a refund is being arranged and a date set!


Cheers

He's just uploaded pictures on the Book of Face of his new house or whatever.
Theres a TV in one picture, surely gotta be worth flogging to cash converters for £350.. And them curtains.
http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/549829_564993770191880_1749334230_n.jpg
Yeah but he can't afford nets that cover the window!!!
They stop half way

[Martijn_M]

Asked Jay if he could send me his new address as he is moving tommorow.
He's been online but just ignored it. Says enough for me.

[Chris_O]

Asked Jay if he could send me his new address as he is moving tommorow.
He's been online but just ignored it. Says enough for me.

I think it said enough a fair while ago to be honest my friend!

[Martijn_M]

True. But now he tries to get away with it by moving. So i can't drive there to collect the money myself if he doesn't pay up. :P

[Tom5190]

He said he has arranged a time for payment with your lawyer?

[Giraffe]

He said he has arranged a time for payment with your lawyer?

If he disappears though, what good is a promise?

[tillygti6]

True. But now he tries to get away with it by moving. So i can't drive there to collect the money myself if he doesn't pay up. :P
Its only a short ferry crossing.... Be a good day trip if nothing else.

[Ross]

There's plenty of people here who would help you mate - worst case I'll drive to his house myself and collect cash from him and PayPal you or something :)
It'll all get sorted, one way or another. :)

[MartinObviously]

There's plenty of people here who would help you mate - worst case I'll drive to his house myself and collect cash from him and PayPal you or something :)
It'll all get sorted, one way or another. :)

Is that the super part of your moderation benefit? :P ability to take things irl

[Steelies]

There's plenty of people here who would help you mate - worst case I'll drive to his house myself and collect cash from him and PayPal you or something :)
It'll all get sorted, one way or another. :)

You really are a super moderator. :y:

[tillygti6]

Il meet you at ramsgate ferry port and bring you too the herne bay address. (would be nice if you could bring a few pouches of golden virginia) hahahaha

[MartinObviously]

You really are a super moderator. :y:

:barf:

[Steelies]

:barf:

Haha, thanks for that. ;)

[Martijn_M]

He said he has arranged a time for payment with your lawyer?
He said he will pay within the next month. But he said more things, so i don't really take his word for it.

Could be a fun trip. Can visit some of my friends in London in the same trip and pick up some parts aswell :p

[Ross]

I aim to please :)

[Martijn_M]

So far you're doing a good job :P

[Scott]

I would continue with police/lawyer action regardless

[Jay_]

So has Jay fessed up to what he was actually trying to do? I know he is giving the guy a refund but has the whole "man picked it up and it has vanished" line been admitted as being bollocks yet?

[Gabbastard]

I just flag down random passing vans anytime i want something couriered tbh.

[jayline]

Sorry for the delay, had a very busy day will pm you the address now!!

[Giraffe]

Sorry for the delay, had a very busy day will pm you the address now!!

Are you actually going to explain what's gone on and at least try and salvage your reputation/character here or not?

If you genuinely are in the wrong, then owning up to it truthfully, explaining what's gone on and apologising would go a long way to getting back on track.

[m4tt274]

Sorry for the delay, had a very busy day will pm you the address now!!

Ive found all of your posts very anti climatic. :n:

[Aly]

Guys I dont see why this should be dragged out. Jay has already said he will refund and has issues going on so I dont see why more needs to be said because its clear. Its hard for me and possibly others a friend who has been helping him with his car as an example Jay is a genuine lad and has been a bit silly to try this. He gave me vtr brakes for free and is a decent lad.

The point im trying to make is things must have been bad for him to try this so why does it need to be dragged out more. Can we just lock this because its turning into a typical sax p bitchfest where 50 people segregate one person.

[VeiRoN]

Guys I dont see why this should be dragged out. Jay has already said he will refund and has issues going on so I dont see why more needs to be said because its clear. Its hard for me and possibly others a friend who has been helping him with his car as an example Jay is a genuine lad and has been a bit silly to try this. He gave me vtr brakes for free and is a decent lad.

The point im trying to make is things must have been bad for him to try this so why does it need to be dragged out more. Can we just lock this because its turning into a typical sax p bitchfest where 50 people segregate one person.

I agree but i believe that the guy on the other part (Martin M) deserves atleast an explanation of what has happened and not just a refund wich is his right to have.

About the thread yes,i think that too,this is between them and the Sax-p mods,i think the thread needs to be locked now waiting for them to reach an agreement.

[Yates]

Aly you are deluded. A thief isn't a genuine lad. He can't even admit what's happened, that's not genuine, blaming personal issues, that's not genuine either. Needs to pay up and fuck off. Hopefully perm banned as soon as its sorted

[Anderz]

Aly you are deluded. A thief isn't a genuine lad. He can't even admit what's happened, that's not genuine, blaming personal issues, that's not genuine either. Needs to pay up and fuck off. Hopefully perm banned as soon as its sorted

Totally agree with this, im sure you wouldn't share the same opinion if it had happened to you mate Aly, no one deserves to be scammed like it if that's the case.

Happened to me by someone for only 20quid and I didn't stop till I got it back, it may only be 20quid but end of the day I don't work hard to get fleeced by anyone for any amount.

106 owners & RR should use this section like saxp as it highlights any problems and can help!

Anyway good luck and hope it gets resolved :y:

[Prickle]

The point im trying to make is things must have been bad for him to try this so why does it need to be dragged out more. Can we just lock this because its turning into a typical sax p bitchfest where 50 people segregate one person.

No excuse though Aly... lol.

got wonga and all that if he needs money.

Would you do the same if you were stuck for money?? no, nor would i.

Its beyond.

I've never had a problem with Jay really before the FB removal starts.. just its SO wrong to do what he did and he needs to put his hands up.

[Aly]

Aly you are deluded. A thief isn't a genuine lad. He can't even admit what's happened, that's not genuine, blaming personal issues, that's not genuine either. Needs to pay up and fuck off. Hopefully perm banned as soon as its sorted

I was pointing more towards the many hipocrits on here that jump on someones back in times of need. Hes done something bad and will pay for it he doesnt need the other shit that comes with it. Its a form of bullying.

[smiith]

I was pointing more towards the many hipocrits on here that jump on someones back in times of need. Hes done something bad and will pay for it he doesnt need the other shit that comes with it. Its a form of bullying.

Not really bullying, we just think Martyn deserves to know why he was scammed, and for Jay to admit it.. If you were skint, would you resort to stealing?

[Ryan]

For the record this isn't going to be locked whilst money is outstanding.....

[Yates]

Its not bullying, bullying is when they cry in front of you. Il never meet the thief so won't see if he cries.

[Gandi699]

.People can be naive and trust in peoples good nature but it doesnt always follow that someone who seems "alright" isn't out to make a quick buck. Getting scammed by "Tisandy" when I first signed up a while back made me wise up to that fact, all the stuff he was telling me was total bullshit but I still gave him the benefit of the doubt up to a certain point in time. I got my money back in the end but he probably made some money out of people who didnt open a dispute with paypal in time.
Seems to me like some people almost use it as a way to get an interest free loan and pay it back in instalments when they can

[Ross]

To add to Ryans comments above, I've tried to help (both Martijn AND Jay) wherever possible. However...

There's a difference between someone doing something stupid/silly/publicly outrageous that we overlook in a community. I'm far from perfect - and there's people here with criminal convictions for all sorts. The community that is Saxp as a rule don't judge or hold things against people (rib-jabbing and piss taking aside obviously).

When it impacts US, as a community, as a website or club, that's when it's a problem. If Jay had stolen from someone outside of the club or "scene" I really wouldn't give a shit tbh. But he's stolen from a member of the site, and a member from other sites we're closely linked to (like it or not :p). It impacts us. It tarnishes us. And it isn't tolerated.

If the thread is closed and Jay is allowed to stay actively buying & selling on the forum then how will the next person who's about to get scammed, who might have only signed up a few days before, ever know he's a bad trader? They wouldn't.

As others have pointed out - Jay's actions from this point forward will really dictate how he's treated going forward by the members of the community. He might be a nice lad in person (never met him) but he's done himself a lot of damage to his reputation doing this, and compounded it by how he's subsequently handled it.

[ed-bradley]

..And thats the way the cookie crumbles.

[Gandi699]

haha thanked by him for that post too

[GolfJay]

The guy has scammed another member out of THREE HUNDRED QUID!

Refund or not, he should be banned completely, end of story!

If a "Legal team" is dealing with it, he'll have to pay it regardless of whether he can still access Sax-P.

[lwigmore]

I don't know whether its relevant or not, but jay offered the cage to me about 2/3 weeks ago, only reason i didn't buy it, cause i didn't have enough money for it.

Sort off glad i didn't buy it now :/

[Gabbastard]

Guys I dont see why this should be dragged out. Jay has already said he will refund and has issues going on so I dont see why more needs to be said because its clear. Its hard for me and possibly others a friend who has been helping him with his car as an example Jay is a genuine lad and has been a bit silly to try this. He gave me vtr brakes for free and is a decent lad.

The point im trying to make is things must have been bad for him to try this so why does it need to be dragged out more. Can we just lock this because its turning into a typical sax p bitchfest where 50 people segregate one person.

Youre entitled to your opinion, as is everyone, but youre obv quite pally with him going by what you said. I find it quite weird youve allowed that to cloud your judgement though: i can say with conviction that if one of my mates acted like he did, id kick him in the balls and get the guys money back for him.

Personal issues? Well that makes it ok to steal 300 quid from someone. Fuck sake.

[Brettles1986]

Youre entitled to your opinion, as is everyone, but youre obv quite pally with him going by what you said. I find it quite weird youve allowed that to cloud your judgement though: i can say with conviction that if one of my mates acted like he did, id kick him in the balls and get the guys money back for him.

Personal issues? Well that makes it ok to steal 300 quid from someone. Fuck sake.

I regularly rape people as I haven't been laid in a while, now you tell me this is not acceptable. :homme:

GolfJay he will no doubt end up banned but doing so atm would be a bit pre-emptive and potentially cut off another method of communication between scammer and the victim.

[Aly]

Youre entitled to your opinion, as is everyone, but youre obv quite pally with him going by what you said. I find it quite weird youve allowed that to cloud your judgement though: i can say with conviction that if one of my mates acted like he did, id kick him in the balls and get the guys money back for him.

Personal issues? Well that makes it ok to steal 300 quid from someone. Fuck sake.

Gabba I barely know Jay I just don't think it's right for people to throw in their own 2 cents worth, if this was a court case you couldn't just walk into the courtroom off the street and offer what you think about the situation, this section has become a bitchfest that people enjoy, but it's nothing less than i'd expect from a generation that watches jeremy kyle and enjoys watching that.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong just this section should be a bit more closed than to how open it currently is.

[Brettles1986]

Gabba I barely know Jay I just don't think it's right for people to throw in their own 2 cents worth, if this was a court case you couldn't just walk into the courtroom off the street and offer what you think about the situation, this section has become a bitchfest that people enjoy, but it's nothing less than i'd expect from a generation that watches jeremy kyle and enjoys watching that.

You can't seriously slate people for having an opinion on a subject that affects the forum they are on and then attempt to insult them at the same time. You have stooped to a low level yourself with such childish comments. You have voiced your opinion now let other voice theirs.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong just this section should be a bit more closed than to how open it currently is.

It's general chat and all members are able to access it, how do you suggest it gets restricted in a way that stops the general chit chatting?

[Aly]

You can't seriously slate people for having an opinion on a subject that affects the forum they are on and then attempt to insult them at the same time. You have stooped to a low level yourself with such childish comments. You have voiced your opinion now let other voice theirs.
It's general chat and all members are able to access it, how do you suggest it gets restricted in a way that stops the general chit chatting?

Brett it's clear the point im trying to make and you're right its only my opinion this should be between the people involved an the moderators why is it right for people to offer what they think about it?

[Brettles1986]

Brett it's clear the point im trying to make and you're right its only my opinion this should be between the people involved an the moderators why is it right for people to offer what they think about it?

As I have said, because in realistic terms it affects everybody, it only takes one scammer for confidence in the for sale section to disappear and for the site to see a reduction in the amount of traffic it receives.

[Yates]

Aly, its not a court case, its a public forum. You need to learn when to not use the keyboard. You try to defend your retarded comment by adding more retarding comments.

If you dont think people who are not involved should make there opinion known, why are you giving it?

[blackie_2k5]

Aly it's always a shame when someone you've got a personal Interest in fucks up, you want to stick up for them, but in this case there isn't a leg for anyone to stand on, you need to see this

I think the majority of ppl posting are more marked at the way it's been dealt with on jays part then the actual theft (although its bang out of order)

Jay inboxed me the other day after making a warning about this on ukfo, I told him to quit the stories, explain the crack and tell everyone he'd pay up.

But instead he came on and posted an aggressive post about paying up and added about personal problems and whether or not he's got to explain to other ppl


End of the day it's not the problems you cause that dictate how ppl think of you, it's the actions you take to correct them... And he's taking all the wrong ones

[Aly]

Aly it's always a shame when someone you've got a personal Interest in fucks up, you want to stick up for them, but in this case there isn't a leg for anyone to stand on, you need to see this

I think the majority of ppl posting are more marked at the way it's been dealt with on jays part then the actual theft (although its bang out of order)

Jay inboxed me the other day after making a warning about this on ukfo, I told him to quit the stories, explain the crack and tell everyone he'd pay up.

But instead he came on and posted an aggressive post about paying up and added about personal problems and whether or not he's got to explain to other ppl


End of the day it's not the problems you cause that dictate how ppl think of you, it's the actions you take to correct them... And he's taking all the wrong ones

Andy I barely know him. I'd do this for anyone even for people on here i dont care much for, its like segregation and doesn't sit well with me.

[Yates]

Aly the guys a lying thief! Why would you stick up for someone who has done that?!

[Aly]

ok im out i just think jay is being like this because even if he admits to it people will still never forgive him so what has he got to gain, there's my two cents.

[Giraffe]

Andy I barely know him. I'd do this for anyone even for people on here i dont care much for, its like segregation and doesn't sit well with me.

Why shouldn't he be segregated though? He's apparently tried to steal £350 off another person, a person who is involved in the community you seem to love. Jay is meant to be a decent and respected member and people apparently have good stuff to say about him, as well as having a 60 odd page thread on a car he can't even drive.

He should be made an example of, especially as he's tried his best to make Martijn look bad, acted like a twat and been awkward about a refund. He's not even offered an explanation or an apology yet. Why shouldn't he be made an example of and be subject to the opinions and judgement of his peers? Maybe if he'd man the fuck up and explain what's gone on and give a sincere apology, these judgements would be more favourable and forgiving...

ok im out i just think jay is being like this because even if he admits to it people will still never forgive him so what has he got to gain, there's my two cents.

He gains "being a man" and gets a bit of respect back. Has to start somewhere doesn't he, or he might as well just never post on a 106/Saxo related forum again...

[blackie_2k5]

As above aly, end of the day he's robbed a lad of 350£ and after being caught is still too immature to man up and say, look I've fucked up, ill fix it.

Just spins more yarns like a kid in junior school

It's not on mate, if he just admitted it I'd imagine most ppl wouldn't even be involved.

[Gandi699]

Exactly what blackie said. Why has he rolled over and offered the money back so quickly? The story just doesnt add up, unless he can offer a legit explanation. Not that hes required to give one to any of us other than the buyer of the roll cage but to continue to have support from people on here when selling parts or working on his car, then people want to know whats up as they take an active interest. If these problems werent brought to light, other people could suffer potential problems

[GolfJay]

Are you lot still bitching?

Jayline has scammed/stolen money from a member on here. Every privilege he has should be removed EXCEPT PM and when it's cleared up, he should be banned out right!

Just because he's well known shouldn't account for anything...

[Ross]

On topic or not at all in here please guys. Thanking you.

[e8_pqck]

Even if Martijn paid by paypal and didn't gift, whats stopping him from saying he didnt receive it and getting a claim in.

I remember someone (was it you Gabb?) telling me that he sold two concert tickets on ebay, had them received with feedback, the buyer then went to the concert, came back and put a successful PP claim in.

When i sold my quaife box to a lad in NI i was shitting it about a paypal claim coming as even though it was delivered by registered mail it would still be a balls-ache to prove the paypal claim.

Hard to trust people these days and even harder when it's overseas.

[Martijn_M]

See page 5 & 6.

[Gandi699]

There'd be a paper trail with the courier though unless they were in on it which I doubt.

[e8_pqck]

I have read it all - but i am speaking generally.

In future if i sell something of value and it is overseas i may also ask for a gift payment or a direct bank payment as i was pretty worried last time that i would receive a paypal claim and going by past history they tend to side with the payer even with proof of delivery - like others i think I won't bother sending stuff overseas - seems like a lot of hassle, regardless of who is right or wrong in this situation.

[wadoryu]

Iv never had a problem with overseas, just recently I sent 4 alloy wheels over to Belgium, the guy paid, I sent with parcel force, jobs done. Wouldn't want anyone being put off by the fact that a member has ripped off another in the community.

[benwh555]

Iv never had a problem with overseas, just recently I sent 4 alloy wheels over to Belgium, the guy paid, I sent with parcel force, jobs done. Wouldn't want anyone being put off by the fact that a member has ripped off another in the community.

Same here people, I've sent lots of stuff overseas. Using proper courrier services and keeping good communitcation is the key here. There is no reason why the transation is any different than posting items out to someone in the UK.

[LVC]

Works both ways as well - being overseas I've bought plenty of stuff from the UK and the only time I had a problem was when a seller (on this forum) decided to "not keep to his word" after supplying faulty goods and gave me a load of BS about "personal circumstances" (coincidence...funnily enough) etc. I had to do what Martijn did and go public on here in order to get any of my money back - still well out of pocket though.

Pretty certain that had I been in the UK then he would have been less quick to try and rip me off - although I have heard that he made quite a habit of it even with those close to him.

Does help sometimes having nutcase cousins in Glasgow and Ruislip ready to go sort stuff out for me if needed.

[Ryan]

Are you lot still bitching?

Jayline has scammed/stolen money from a member on here. Every privilege he has should be removed EXCEPT PM and when it's cleared up, he should be banned out right!

Just because he's well known shouldn't account for anything...

If he can't post we cannot read his 'side'

We have ways of dealing with things, they are in place for a reason.

As for those posting in this thread just posting utter spam, it's a pain in the arse to keep up to speed with everything when we have to sift through your shite. There are times and places to be fucking retarded, this is not one.

[ed-bradley]

Any update from either person on this issue?

[Martijn_M]

He gave me his new address. I have nothing else to update.

I did have a good birthday after all. It's amazing what friends and family can do for you. :)

[Dan-Subtle]

Sounds as if this may be on its way to getting sorted.

Martijn out of curiosity what date/s have been agreed with your lawyer/legal team for the money to be repaid?

Hopefully this is sorted out soon and all parties can try to get back to relative normality.

[Martijn_M]

Jay said he is going to refund before the end of this month. If not, well i don't know what's going to happen then.

[jayline]

Money will be refunded at the end of the month like agreed with lawyer bloke! A date hasn't really been set but I will phone the lawyer closer to the time to set a official date like agreed!

[Mike-]

Hope your going to be adding interest ontop of what you owe him Jay.
Or something to compensate for the lad being 350 out of pocket for a month or so.

[e8_pqck]

Who's paying for the lawyer? Jay will no doubt get the bill at his new address...