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willsy
15th May 2013, 15:21
Right then I think this sections the most appropriate place for a guide.

If you have any old rusty bits or even bits and bobs you'd like to clean up and paint you can use electrolysis to clean up parts. It is very effective and requires very little physical effort. IT IS ALSO CHEAP.

What you need

A bucket or container (5 litre tub will do for most objects)
A 12v battery or battery charger
2 anodes (2 pieces of conductive metal)
Tap water (hot water works best)
Copper wire
Length of copper tube (or other conductive metal)
Electrolyte chemical

Essentially you'll be looking to setup the above equipment like so

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/Willsy86/null_zps1e66fed0.jpg

Step 1

Hang your anodes over the side of your container using the copper wire. Try not to submerge the copper wire if you can help it. Ensure that they are linked together. On mine I attached a crocodile clip at the end of the wire for an effective link with the power supply.

Provided that you keep the anodes clean they can be used over and over

Step 2 - mixing the electrolyte solution.

There's 2 different chemicals that you can use which are widely available and cheap.

Sodium carbonate - can be used on all metals and is kindest for any aluminium or precious metals. Is very good for removing rusts, paint, oil and general road grease. If you're using a 5 litre tub then just 25grams of sodium carbonate is sufficient combined with 4.5 litres of warm water.

Ammonium chloride - only to be used with steel and cast iron, In comparison it is quite savage and is much quicker and more aggressive than sodium carbonate. It isn't as good for degreasing. When mixing 35grams per 4.5 litres of warm water.

Several things to remember;

Wear goggles just incase
Stir thoroughly and always apply the chemical into the water rather than the other way round (not nice in eyes if the water splashes into your eyes if you've not worn goggles.
The solution will get hotter when the current is put through it

Personal experience - go with the sodium carbonate unless the item is very heavily corroded

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/Willsy86/null_zps49a8f525.jpg

Step 3 - connecting to your power supply

Positive terminal/lead should connect to your anodes

Negative terminal/lead connects to your metal rod which should span the diameter of your tub. Use copper wire to hang the object that you need cleaning off the rod

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/Willsy86/null_zps90c6ca36.jpg

Obviously don't let your rod physically touch any of the copper wire linking with your anodes else it'll spark or blow a fuse in the charger.


And that's about it. Remember to wear gloves if you can, marigolds are fine.
Always setup in a well ventilated area

When the lower supply is turned on there will start to be bubbles rising off the item and you'll start to see deposits seperating off the item being cleaned

The process generally doesn't take long, half an hour may suffice for a mildly dirty item. You can hang several items at once into the tub/bucket.

Rinse off then under a tap, I've bought some small wire brushes to aid in the process. If all the rust and deposits have gone you can then paint the item if you wish or even zinc plate it (that's another how to guide) the freshly cleaned item should be dried thoroughly and ideally primered or even sprayed with wd40 to prevent 'flash rusting' appearing.

You can reuse the electrolyte solution if you wish, just filter out the deposits which will eventually sink to the bottom.

You can use a small sieve and use that to clean multiple nuts and bolts. Just connect the negative supply to the sieve rather than use the rod & copper wire

You can obtain all of the parts here for well under £10. onviously more if you dont yet have a battery or battery charger.

And a couple more pics of the process & some of my results so far

Large amounts of rusty/greasy deposits form on the surface

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/Willsy86/48CCCF51-9928-4762-80E6-EC904818C99B-1144-0000020BCC87AF52_zpsa1dcea83.jpg

Here's how well some bolts clean up. The bolt I the middle is an old torsion bar bolt which looked exactly the same as the one on the left before cleaning. You can even see the numbers stamped in the head again


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/Willsy86/AF525050-2A82-4FCC-89E4-2AE0AE5C00B8-1144-0000020B6793B109_zps6bcaea7c.jpg

Hazmanscoop
15th May 2013, 15:46
I cannot stress enough how dangerous this is, if not carried out in a well ventilated area!

The gasses produced are highly toxic.

willsy
15th May 2013, 16:01
I cannot stress enough how dangerous this is, if not carried out in a well ventilated area!

The gasses produced are highly toxic.

Cheers mate. Ill put a few bits in larger bold red writing shortly just to clarify various bits. I've been doing mine out in the garden away from the house & garage and leaving it periodically before turning off and checking on cleaning progress.

Hazmanscoop
15th May 2013, 16:03
Haha no worries pal.

I teach and do practicals on electrolysis at school.

So just wanted to back it up before someone does it in a small room with no vents and dies...

Bedford126
15th May 2013, 16:36
Isn't sodium chloride just a salt?

Also how high am i going to get from the fumes?

Hazmanscoop
15th May 2013, 16:59
Sodium Chloride is.

I have to do this in a fume cupboard at school.

It's potentially fatal if enough is taken in.

Bedford126
15th May 2013, 17:04
Sodium Chloride is, sodium carbonate isn't...

I have to do this in a fume cupboard at school.

It's potentially fatal if enough is taken in.

Ahh got the aluminium chloride and sodium carbonate mixed up. I will stick to my paint thinners to get high then.

Hazmanscoop
15th May 2013, 17:08
Indeed! They are actually both salts, but not table salt ;)

Yeah, defo safer. The sodium stuff isn't too bad. It's the ammonium stuff that's the killer.

Obviously produces ammonia gas. Ain't nobody got time fo' dat.

willsy
15th May 2013, 18:49
The sodium is definitely better to use anyway to be fair. Tried the ammonium once and it literally went wild, worked bloody quickly but the sodium is much better all round and gentler on the parts

You can buy the sodium carbonate very cheaply off ebay

griff_106
15th May 2013, 21:55
Excellent guide mate - cheers for posting! If only I had more time on my hands! :(

It's potentially fatal if enough is taken in.

Maybe so, but look at the SHINY SHINY :D haha

Bedford126
15th May 2013, 22:16
well i know what i will be doing at the weekend mate thank you very much..

willsy
16th May 2013, 08:41
well i know what i will be doing at the weekend mate thank you very much..

Good man :-)

Ebay Item number for the sodium carbonate which I bought is 140503384210

The rest of the stuff is readily available just about anywhere. 10 metres of 0.8 copper wire is £2.25 on Gatorosplating.co.uk for some reason on eBay the lengths are shorter

Hazmanscoop
16th May 2013, 08:49
Think bedfords talking about buying ammonia and gassing himself.. FAIL

Ross
16th May 2013, 09:23
Think bedfords talking about buying ammonia and gassing himself.. FAIL

We can only hope.

stevo67
16th May 2013, 11:09
well i know what i will be doing at the weekend mate thank you very much..

Good guide willsy,Bedford126 just be careful which nuts you place in the bucket lol.:y:

Ross
16th May 2013, 11:35
Good guide willsy,Bedford126 just be careful which nuts you place in the bucket lol.:y:

I'd pay good money to see Marcus boil his testicles in sodium carbonate.

Bedford126
16th May 2013, 14:40
How did you read my mind!!!!!!!!

So it won't clean my nuts then?????

Also will doing this remove aluminium oxide from aluminium parts?

We can only hope.

Fuck you Ross.

I'd pay good money to see Marcus boil his testicles in sodium carbonate.

How much exactly?

Ross
16th May 2013, 15:02
How much exactly? Pounds. Literally POUNDS.

Bedford126
16th May 2013, 15:05
Pounds. Literally POUNDS.

MMMM this is sounding interesting.

Hazmanscoop
16th May 2013, 15:56
Electrolysis should remove the oxide from the aluminium.

Bedford126
16th May 2013, 16:52
Electrolysis should remove the oxide from the aluminium.

Cheers mate. Finally found something cheap that will do it lol.

Hazmanscoop
16th May 2013, 17:03
No worries mate.

Aluminium in an ore is removed this way, so don't see why not!

Due to the "soft" nature of the metal, make sure you only submerge it for a short period of time and use a soft brush to clean it.

Don't have the current too high either.

If any of these rules aren't followed then you'll end up with bad pitting or dissolving the metal altogether.

willsy
16th May 2013, 19:32
If you're doing aluminium definitely only use the sodium carbonate and not the ammonium chloride. Use less than 25g per 4.5litres aswel to start with and see how it goes.

eBay item number 280669642826 is great for scrubbing the residue off aswel. Set of mini brushes of varying stiffness. I ordered 5 sets at that price aswel lol should last me a while

Bedford126
16th May 2013, 20:37
If you're doing aluminium definitely only use the sodium carbonate and not the ammonium chloride. Use less than 25g per 4.5litres aswel to start with and see how it goes.

eBay item number 280669642826 is great for scrubbing the residue off aswel. Set of mini brushes of varying stiffness. I ordered 5 sets at that price aswel lol should last me a while

Lol anything else i should order whilst I'm at it lol.

Simon
16th May 2013, 20:41
Interesting, might be making a few purchases soon ;)

Bedford126
16th May 2013, 20:47
Have you been making vids for youtube willsy?

easy electrolysis,,,, the clean way - YouTube

Hazmanscoop
16th May 2013, 21:01
Maybe you should order a gas mask or a professional lol

Bedford126
16th May 2013, 21:11
Maybe you should order a gas mask or a professional lol

Lol mate I use chemicals at work that you cant even buy without a licence. I act the fool but I will be doing it in the garden and i will be wearing gloves and a mask when I go look at it.

willsy
16th May 2013, 21:21
Lol no I havnt made any videos, to be fair they'd be pretty boring to watch after the first minute of setting up. It is pretty much a case of setup outside and leave it to work its magic, switch off, check on progress, give it a scrub and dip it back in and switch back on for a bit if needed.

Shouldn't really need to be anywhere near it to breath in any fumes unless you enjoy watching bits of muck and rust floating in a bucket :-)

willsy
16th May 2013, 21:25
I'd thoroughly recommend a zinc plating kit aswel if anyone fancies being really anal :-)

willsy
16th May 2013, 21:33
A few more sample pics for you all.
Here's my AX battery clamp pre cleaning

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/Willsy86/EA841398-B83B-480B-A572-09ECBB08ED9F-5289-000009B96872BB18.jpg

After cleaning. A few natural pit marks from the corrosion remain but all rust has gone

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/Willsy86/CD4747F3-9160-426E-8739-CF55CA0CC602-1935-000003BD7CFA4FD9_zpsb725c869.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/Willsy86/B1CDAF3B-C08F-48D3-8661-56B4C0C73599-1935-000003BDA4C99C57_zps72b0cc48.jpg

And to tempt you to buy a zinc plating kit

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/Willsy86/31FF4D18-E926-46CD-B2CD-4B2801C0DDBC-603-0000011FFF2675DC_zps757d5dff.jpg

If you really wanted to eliminate any remaining pit marks you can buy a 'pre zinc plating' copper plating kit. Once copper plated it is softer and builds up quickly. It can then be smoothed down to a level finish and then zinc plated. I may do this in the log run if I get really OTT anal

Bedford126
16th May 2013, 21:39
Can you do the blue zink with the kits mate I'm not a fan of the yellow. Also what is needed for the kit i already have a pretty decent dc voltage controller.

willsy
16th May 2013, 21:43
Can you do the blue zink with the kits mate I'm not a fan of the yellow. Also what is needed for the kit i already have a pretty decent dc voltage controller.

Yes mate, with the kit from gaterosplating they supply a bottle of blue passivate and yellow passivate so you can choose either. I prefer the blue aswel to be honest but stuck with yellow for originality.

Ill go through the zinc plating kit in the morning and give you a list of what's needed :-)

If using the yellow passivate you have to give it a quick dip in the blue first so ill grab some pics of the blue too in the next load that I do

Bedford126
16th May 2013, 23:12
Yes mate, with the kit from gaterosplating they supply a bottle of blue passivate and yellow passivate so you can choose either. I prefer the blue aswel to be honest but stuck with yellow for originality.

Ill go through the zinc plating kit in the morning and give you a list of what's needed :-)

If using the yellow passivate you have to give it a quick dip in the blue first so ill grab some pics of the blue too in the next load that I do

Nice one you are possibly spending all my wage ha ha. :y:

Yates
24th May 2013, 20:22
if you get a blue kit bedford im sending some bits to you haha, ive only got a few small bits that need doing

willsy
28th May 2013, 08:05
I do have the blue aswel Matt. Did you get any pics of the battery bits that you wanted doing?

Anyone bought some equipment yet and given this a go? If so let's see the results :-)

Bedford126
28th May 2013, 12:34
Here ya go Willsy. Still waiting for the zink kit though mate way over a week since i ordered it.
http://i41.tinypic.com/650tbp.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/2v9vl2x.jpg

Prickle
28th May 2013, 12:36
Anyone bought some equipment yet and given this a go? If so let's see the results :-)

I will be giving it a go next month sometime. I want some bits and bobs in the bay cleaning up.

Gandi699
28th May 2013, 13:25
Is there anywhere on the high street I can purchase the sodium from?

Bedford126
28th May 2013, 16:13
Is there anywhere on the high street I can purchase the sodium from?

I got mine from the local health food store they sell it as "soda ash" used for dying clothes.

I'm pretty sure if you ask at the chemists they will tell you where you will get some.

willsy
28th May 2013, 18:13
Here ya go Willsy. Still waiting for the zink kit though mate way over a week since i ordered it.
http://i41.tinypic.com/650tbp.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/2v9vl2x.jpg

That's come up incredibly well mate :-) nice and simple to do isn't it

I made the mistake of ordering mine over the last bank holiday too, sure I remember it taking a little while too, guessing they have an extra long weekend

manta
31st May 2013, 23:50
What do I actually need for zinc plating? I've done electrolysis cleaning at home before, so can I just buy the zinc chemical or what?

willsy
1st June 2013, 11:59
What do I actually need for zinc plating? I've done electrolysis cleaning at home before, so can I just buy the zinc chemical or what?

Ill write a list based on my kit when I'm back from hols if noone else beats me to it

manta
1st June 2013, 12:05
Ill write a list based on my kit when I'm back from hols if noone else beats me to it

YAY!!! Got loads of manta bits to make shiny!

smiith
1st June 2013, 17:14
How much was the zink plating kit you bought willsy? Out of interest.

Night buy one, do my wheel bolts and stuff!

blackie_2k5
1st June 2013, 17:34
Pickle bath :)


Smith you can get them on eBay for £50ish and upwards, could make your own up probably a tad cheaper, but for ease £50 won't break the back

smiith
1st June 2013, 19:37
Aye, may look into it at the end of summer, Not spending £50 on cack i will use a few times, when i can get into Zoo Project in Ibiza with that haha!

manta
2nd June 2013, 17:42
The stuff comes out black? Do you then brush that off or?

willsy
5th June 2013, 08:41
Plating kit arrived yet Bedford?

Manta once its been in the bucket it just needs taking out and rinsing off the residue, if there's any stubborn bits left on just use a stiff toothbrush to remove it. If there's any rust left on stuff then chuck it back in for a bit longer

Bedford126
8th June 2013, 00:53
Plating kit arrived yet Bedford?

Nope still no kit and the seller not responded to the emails i sent him so just opened a dispute on paypal..

willsy
8th June 2013, 03:56
That's odd, if you ordered it from Gaterosplating I got my kit from there, granted I ordered mine over bank hol too and it did take over a week but it should have definitely arrived by now.

I've made 4 other separate ordered with them since all of which have arrived within a few days.

Is there a number to call?

willsy
8th June 2013, 03:56
That's odd, if you ordered it from Gaterosplating I got my kit from there, granted I ordered mine over bank hol too and it did take over a week but it should have definitely arrived by now.

I've made 4 other separate ordered with them since all of which have arrived within a few days.

Is there a number to call?

Bedford126
9th June 2013, 20:41
Yeah mate its from them. Fair play as soon as they got the paypal claim notification they posted the tracking number and offered me a full refund or another posted so it should be here by wed at the latest.

willsy
14th June 2013, 00:13
Arrived yet? I wanna see some of your results :-)

Bedford126
14th June 2013, 00:48
Arrived yet? I wanna see some of your results :-)

Yeah mate it's here not had time to have a mess with it yet.

KieranHopkins
14th June 2013, 21:38
This is amazing!