mk4 gti....

[rhysg]

Looking to sell my c2 and get either low and slow mk1 mx5 or something nippy, a few of my mates have mentioned mk4 golfs, the 1.8 turbo. When looking on the likes of auto trader there all 1.8 gti in the title, only 1/2 say 1.8t gti. So they make a 1.8 gti and a 1.8 t gti ? confused myself now...

[scottyvtr]

Keep the C2 get something better that's not slow and boring as the Golf. As for Mx5 cant comment hate slammed cars and jap sorry lol

[rhysg]

Keep the C2 get something better that's not slow and boring as the Golf. As for Mx5 cant comment hate slammed cars and jap sorry lol

Im 20 so insurance is a bit of a twat, what sort of cars would you buy in my position ?

[manta]

Keep the C2

No one likes mk4s

Well I'm guessing you mean mk4s, they suck.

[rhysg]

Keep the C2

No one likes mk4s

Well I'm guessing you mean mk4s, they suck.

yeah mk4. I just get bored with cars quickly and fancy a change.

[0rang3peel]

I'd keep the c2 for a bit, decent enough car.

If you're buying a car purely for a change then maybe buy something that would hold value, then when you get bored at least you won't lose much.

[L33h]

Yes they made a 1.8 20v none turbo for a few years and then changed it to the 2.0 8v engine. They're 125bhp so not too bad but theyve got nothing on the turbos

[m4tt274]

they do a none turbo yes.
I wouldnt bother with one, a VTR is quicker, and the cost of parts and spares is rapey.

The 1.8t are brilliant, but they drink fuel considering how quick they pull you.
the mx5 will be a quicker, more fun car all round than either golf, dont slam it, just service it and put decent tires on it.

[Nik_L]

I'd keep the c2 for a bit, decent enough car.

If you're buying a car purely for a change then maybe buy something that would hold value, then when you get bored at least you won't lose much.

Mk4 Golf's tend to hold value better than most cars though. Don't pay too much on a shitter and you won't lose much. Low miler's still command decent money and still sell on for decent money.

Brother has a 20vt Mk4 150bhp model. He likes it. Its not rapid, but is pretty punchy when it comes on boost. Comfy too even since he lowered it.

[0rang3peel]

Mk4 Golf's tend to hold value better than most cars though. Don't pay too much on a shitter and you won't lose much. Low miler's still command decent money and still sell on for decent money.

Brother has a 20vt Mk4 150bhp model. He likes it. Its not rapid, but is pretty punchy when it comes on boost. Comfy too even since he lowered it.

Surely a decent option then, although insurance I'd imagine at 20 must be a fair whack on them!

[L33h]

they do a none turbo yes.
I wouldnt bother with one, a VTR is quicker, and the cost of parts and spares is rapey.

The 1.8t are brilliant, but they drink fuel considering how quick they pull you.
the mx5 will be a quicker, more fun car all round than either golf, dont slam it, just service it and put decent tires on it.

A turbo remaps to nearly 200bhp so comes straight past a mx5 lol

[m4tt274]

Having been around a couple, maybe im getting boring, but i would just leave them stock at 150bhp. I know they are quick, but they arent madness quick, and after the usual 200bhp map they absolutely cain fuel, like evo 18mpg sorta consumption figures when driving them like you would expect to.
Around Blyton park or Cadwell a sorted VTS or mx5 will at least keep up with a remapped GTI i think, the big golf wont just come straight past.

[L33h]

My audis a 1.8t remapped and does go past them lol. But youre right about feul i only get 28mph and thats driving slow lol

[LSOfreak]

mk4's are the worst golf you can get imo

so boring to drive and to look at

not particularly that quick either

[Prickle]

I'd rather a MK2 Golf GTi 16v.. anyyyyyyyyy day of the week. Infact, give me one now. ;)

[Stissy]

the mk4 GTi comes in two engines. the 1.8 20vT and the 2.0 16v (N.A). The 1.8 is the one you want, just to be clear, all the 1.8 GTi's are turbos, the 2.0 however are not. At 20 years old a mk4 GTi is a pretty good car. The insurance isn't too bad, neither are the running costs - and it'll smash the shit out of your C2. They're more comfortable, safer and the VW scene is massive at the moment. So there's plenty of meets to get involved with, parts to buy and plenty of help and advice out there.

MX5 is a no, (from my personal opinion of course). Cheap, tacky and gay. Unless you're getting one as a second car to piss about with at weekend then i'd recommend against it.

Other options:
1. I had a 2.5 year old mk4 Cupra when i was 20. Same 1.8t engine but 180bhp model. My insurance was only 1000 too. cracking little cars. i ended up keeping it for two years because i liked it so much.
2. The Mk6 Fiesta ST? depends on your opinion of Fords really, personally i don't like them but for what they are you get a lot of car for your money.
3. E46 M-sport. the 320d/320i/330d. all of these are affordable?

[mattknight1984]

the mk4 GTi comes in two engines. the 1.8 20vT and the 2.0 16v (N.A). The 1.8 is the one you want, just to be clear, all the 1.8 GTi's are turbos, the 2.0 however are not. At 20 years old a mk4 GTi is a pretty good car. The insurance isn't too bad, neither are the running costs - and it'll smash the shit out of your C2. They're more comfortable, safer and the VW scene is massive at the moment. So there's plenty of meets to get involved with, parts to buy and plenty of help and advice out there.

MX5 is a no, (from my personal opinion of course). Cheap, tacky and gay. Unless you're getting one as a second car to piss about with at weekend then i'd recommend against it.

Other options:
1. I had a 2.5 year old mk4 Cupra when i was 20. Same 1.8t engine but 180bhp model. My insurance was only 1000 too. cracking little cars. i ended up keeping it for two years because i liked it so much.
2. The Mk6 Fiesta ST? depends on your opinion of Fords really, personally i don't like them but for what they are you get a lot of car for your money.
3. E46 M-sport. the 320d/320i/330d. all of these are affordable?

The 2.0 isn't 16v, it's 8v and only 115bhp - pathetic, shit engine.

[Stissy]

The 2.0 isn't 16v, it's 8v and only 115bhp - pathetic, shit engine.

my mistake, either way OP - don't get the 2.0GTi. get the 1.8 20vT.

[L33h]

Youre wrong you can get a early mk4 with a 1.8 none turbo but still a gti. Tjey changed then engines later to the 2.0 8v cos the 1.8s were shit

Also the cupras woth 180 bhp have a ko3s turbo which is the turbo from the mk4 anniversary

[Stissy]

Youre wrong you can get a early mk4 with a 1.8 none turbo but still a gti. Tjey changed then engines later to the 2.0 8v cos the 1.8s were shit

Also the cupras woth 180 bhp have a ko3s turbo which is the turbo from the mk4 anniversary

I'm not sure about the first line...

the second line, its more than just the turbo that's different mate. its a myriad of parts. but that's beside the point of the thread.

[L33h]

I had a 1.8 none turbo gti lol. Theyre 125bhp n then changed them to 2.0 8v 115bhp.

[Nik_L]

They didn't change them to the 2.0 8v.

The 20v non turbo was available in the mk4 for around 6 years and ran along side the 2.0 8v.

[L33h]

Fair enough

[Nik_L]

And for the record, mid 2001 onwards Mk4 Turbo's had the K03s like the Anni, but still 150bhp. Its the map that's different.

[Stissy]

They didn't change them to the 2.0 8v.

The 20v non turbo was available in the mk4 for around 6 years and ran along side the 2.0 8v.

This might sound really stupid, but why did the 1.8 have 20 valves if it wasn't a turbo?

And for the record, mid 2001 onwards Mk4 Turbo's had the K03s like the Anni, but still 150bhp. Its the map that's different.

& intercooler
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[L33h]

yeah the AUMs had a ko3s the AGUs are ko3

[Nik_L]

This might sound really stupid, but why did the 1.8 have 20 valves if it wasn't a turbo?



& intercooler
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Not sure why, probably no apparant reason. Maybe just for cost. Its not uncommon though in engines.

What's the differences between those parts though over the 150?? They are all the same seeing as the k03s is a straight swap so the asscociated parts should be the same.

Even if they are slightly different, they play no part in the higher power figure.

[Stissy]

Not sure why, probably no apparant reason. Maybe just for cost. Its not uncommon though in engines.

What's the differences between those parts though over the 150?? They are all the same seeing as the k03s is a straight swap so the asscociated parts should be the same.

I always thought the idea of 1 extra valve per cylinder was for the turbo recirculation. thats why it was 20v and not 16. but is they did a 20v none turbo then it doesn't really make sense?

well (i'm not too sure on the golf but i assume its the same) in the ibiza the 150bhp model is known as the FR 1.8t and the 180bhp is the Cupra 1.8t.

The Cupra has a bigger intercooler which is front mounted, whereas the FR is mounted at the side. The Cupra has bigger pipes to each side of the intercooler, a bigger turbo intake pipe, a bigger induction pipe to the front of the car, bigger airbox, and a different map on the engine.

[L33h]

I thought the FRs were a diesel?

[Stissy]

I thought the FRs were a diesel?

Both mate, in both FR and Cupra

you can get the petrol FR - which is the same as the mk4 golf GTi 1.8 20vT, 150bhp.

The diesel FR - 1.9tdi, pd130, same engine as the mk4 golf pd130

The petrol Cupra - this is the daddy version of the mk4 ibiza, 1.8 20vT same as the mk4 golf anniversary 20vT, 180bhp.

Or the diesel Cupra - 1.9tdi, 160bhp, similar to the Mk4 GT-TDi but a little more tuned with 10bhp more.

[Prickle]

Mk4 talk - yawns

I'd rather a MK2 Golf GTi 16v.. anyyyyyyyyy day of the week. Infact, give me one now. ;)

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[m4tt274]

After spending my entire weekend camping at 'all types VW show' in Wales with my mates i can safely say that i wouldnt be interested in a Golf at all.
people like them, i personally wouldnt buy one.

What specific part of the golf do you like?

[Bordtea]

I'd say keep the C2

[Brettles1986]

I had a 2000 1.8 20vT, it was the top spec model and such a nice car to drive. Yes they are common but then so are most cars. If you are going from a Saxo to it (which I'm unsure of, but it was my step) then you will be amazed at how nice they are to drive, the gearboxes are really smooth.

[GolfJay]

Buy a Golf and know that you instantly became more awesome than most of the people on here with French tin cans.

Lol

[DaDangerMan]

Buy a Golf and know that you instantly became more awesome than most of the people on here with French tin cans.

Lol

True story

[ThrushMotorsport]

1.8t 20v is a great engine, I'd rather have one than a mx5, won't regret it either, going to an mx5 is like trading your c2 for a saxo vtr

Mk4 golfs can made to look nice too, if you fancy a coupe, try the audi tt, there getting cheaper, I've had one of them and cupras, loved them

[Nik_L]

Yeah ive also noticed TT's have dropped massively in price. Can pick up a decent 100k 2000/2001 225 for about £2k. You would pay similar money for a decent 20vt Mk4 Golf.

Ive been working on my old mans 225 TT recently, brakes all round etc, and its a nice place to be, drives good, goes really good. Only thing i would say is they aren't the comfiest to use as a daily, pretty harsh ride.

[headless]

At 20 years old a mk4 GTi is a pretty good car.


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& the mk4 isn't 20 years old..

[GolfJay]

& the mk4 isn't 20 years old..

:wall:

He's saying that its a good car to own when you're only 20.

[headless]

:wall:

He's saying that its a good car to own when you're only 20.

This makes more sense..:p

[Jizanthapus]

I'd just get a mk1 Octavia VRS 1.8t. Cheaper than a Golf I'd imagine, nice cars!

[Stissy]

& the mk4 isn't 20 years old..

....

:wall:

He's saying that its a good car to own when you're only 20.

:y: ;)

[Manu]

I wouldnt bother with one, a VTR is quicker, and the cost of parts and spares is rapey..

This pretty much. If I was looking at a golf, I'd aim for a tdi, the mk4 gti is rubbish considering the badge on it. Nothing much gti going on about it.

[rhysg]

To keep everyone updated, i ended up getting a mk4 golf gt tdi 150. they map well and its not hard to see the happy side of 200 on a budget or the happy side 0f 300 if you have the money to play with. mines totally standard and does like 55/60pmg average :)

[L33h]

Did you do the checks to see that it is a genuine gt tdi 150? Theres hundreds of fakes about

[rhysg]

Did you do the checks to see that it is a genuine gt tdi 150? Theres hundreds of fakes about

like what checks ? Log book states gt tdi, power 150. insurance stated gt tdi 150 when i took the policy out ? is there anything else i should be looking out for ?

[L33h]

yea as long as it says on the logbook then it should be fine. I think there's a sticker in the boot under the carpet sayin that its a gt. There's ALOT of people putting a gt badge on the back, changing a few things and selling them for more lol

[rhysg]

yea as long as it says on the logbook then it should be fine. I think there's a sticker in the boot under the carpet sayin that its a gt. There's ALOT of people putting a gt badge on the back, changing a few things and selling them for more lol

Yeah since buying mine ive noticed a a lot of ''GT''s. spoke to few and there just 115s or 90s haha. never looked under the boot carpet but does say its a 150 on the log book :).

[L33h]

yea should be fine then mate :)

[rhysg]

yea should be fine then mate :)

sweet, got me worried now mate, going to double check when im home.

[rhysg]

yea should be fine then mate :)

Just looked under boot carpet, says ARL 110kw. so im guessing its a propper one as the gt is the only one with the arl ? and 110kw converts to 150bhp

[L33h]

Just looked under boot carpet, says ARL 110kw. so im guessing its a propper one as the gt is the only one with the arl ? and 110kw converts to 150bhp

yea it's a propper one haha. I fancy getting one myself tbh. sick of 27mpg haha

[rhysg]

yea it's a propper one haha. I fancy getting one myself tbh. sick of 27mpg haha

Sweet. yeah i went from a c2 vts that was getting like 35 if you were steady to the gt tdi thats faster, and comfortable, smooth, quiet and does 55average and 60mpg + on runs. Went to leeds about two weeks ago and got 220miles on £20 of fuel. thats cruise control at 60 in 6th like :homme: