Red springs

[mihilow]

Hi guys i bougth red springs for vts ,they are secondhand but in great condition, problem is they have no mark on them and owner didn't know whitch brand they are or how much they lower the car ,i read that saxo's springs sprung are 380mm ,now i mesured these and they are 260mm and stiff as Fuuuuu** (i steped on them with my 90kg and they lowerd maybe few cm ,does anybody know how much lower they are from std springs ,and can i run them on standard shocks ?if you need picture ,ask :)

[Martijn_M]

Eibach Sportlines maybe?

[mihilow]

I don't think they are mate ,no any mark on them ,six rings ,stiff as rock :S ,guy whom i bought them from said there is 1,5-2 fingers gap between arch and 15"rims with them and i don't have a clue how low that is without VTS plastic arches ?this is the pic. from the add http://images2.polovniautomobili.com/user-images/classifieds/353/3530771/625c822930de-800x600.jpg

[LSOfreak]

there is literally no way anyone here can tell you. Spax and gmax usually make red springs, but then again the cheap shit brands off ebay are usually all red aswel. The amount of coils or you standing on it mean nothing in determining height.

just fit them and see. Ive done it many times. Doesnt take long to have the strut off

[mihilow]

Can't mate ,not before i get some 15" wheels first ,it will look silly on std rims with 165/70/13 tyres :D.But this look like quality stuff ,they whey a ton and are really thik .Like the stiffnest tho ,good preventive for kidney stone :D

[AlexB]

They look rather like they have been cut to me

And not only that they are cut un evenly so they are scrap im sorry to say youve wasted any money you parted with for these

[Shaneo1994]

A know my red springs I got are 60mm lower cant remember make and mine run standard shocks and have done for 2 month now just saveing up for coilovers but had no problems with standard shocks

[mihilow]

@AlexB-No mate ,they are much stiffer ,thicker and powdercoated plus top and bottom are flat so they are aftermarket springs ,guy whom i bought them from changed them because they are so stiff (plus no cuting marks or anything ,parts where powdercoat is missing is from manual spring tightner for instaling them ),those i found online closest to these are g-max -50mm http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Citroen-Saxo-50mm-Lowering-Springs-/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/3UUAAOxy--NRxwCa/$(KGrHqJ,!nwFG1bDPP4VBR)wC,dsig~~60_12.JPG and these ones from spax that i now think these are (-60mm) http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Saxo-Vtr-vts-Furio-106-Front-Lowering-Springs-/00/s/MTAwMFgxMDAw/z/8GIAAOxy4c5Rs1pt/$(KGrHqV,!rcFG(-OJtgSBRs1pt,c!Q~~60_12.JPG My opinion is that mine springs are spax -50/60mm and that is because car was imported from i think france or italy and they came with vts :S p.s. now i found these that really look similar too ,-60 mm this pic if from a this forum member http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b370/JayRS2000/009-1.jpg and i think these springs only look uneven cause they are used and bruised ,so will take them tomorow to mechanic to ask ,really killing me that even tho they are so stiff they are only 260mm long and standard are like 380 ?:S
@Shaneo-Thanx for info mate ,am in looking for grp.n bilsten shocks but until i find them i will use standard ones since they are in mint condition :)
-While taking of the powdercoat i found a engraved mark on one of them ( Ric D 92 806 IIA ) *II is roman number 2 .Didn't have the time to take of powdercoat on the other ,my mechanic said that they look like aftermarket but it's mistery why they are uneven or how low they are so am in doubt of even fiting them :S

[Shaneo1994]

Fit them see what there like if there too hard of a ride or too low take them off a know mine are quite soft but that maybe because they are used a dont know

[AlexB]

With the origonal pic gone i cant argue but they really didnt look right to me

But i have only seen one pic so feel free to disregard any input from me as ive only had about 15 different suspension setups i have no idea lol :P

[mihilow]

Sorry alex didn't mean to sound cocky really ,yeah they are kind of uneven but really i cant tell ,as i saw allmost all used springs are kind of uneven ,maybe the stress was bigger on one than other (from driver side maybe ) or the way they sit :S but like i said when i edited post ,as i took of the powdercoat there was no burns on them from heating up the spring to compress it ,or any cut marks on both ends ,bad thing is that i dont have garage or tools for the job so it would be very tricky to just try them and take them off again so am in doubt now ,they seem ok ,that engraved mark ( Ric D 92 806 IIA ) gave me a bit of confidence but really not enough since i don't know what it means and cant find it on web . :S Gotta take powdercoat of other one maybe there is somthing engraved also,oh yea on second or ring there was 2 marks under powdercoat ,kind of like lines one was yellow and other one whiteish kind of just like thicker lines but i don't know what that is at all.If you want i can take some pics of them tomorow so you can see what am talking about ?

[adamskiTNR]

They both have the same diameter steel, the same outer diameter, and have the same pitch. the only difference is the extra coil and the progressive pitch of the left spring. They are different rates and so not a pair. Get rid of them.

[mihilow]

I kind of don't get it ,could you explane it litle easyer ?(english is not my native :S )

[adamskiTNR]

The springs do not match. And so are different in their "stiffness" (spring rate). So cannot be used together. Don't use them.

[AlexB]

Theyve been cut
And cut differently
So are un useable

[mihilow]

well fuck -.- they were only 11,5 pounds so doesnt matter anyway ,when i get wheels i'll get some quality springs,but thanx guys for warning me ,seller was a doushbag :S