Jacked 3d / Craze / pulse v4

[Carlvtr88]

I heard good things about this stuff (Jacked 3d). Looked into it yesterday and only just realised its banned here ?

DMAA is it I think. Its like 3 times the strength of Caffeine and UK legislation has deemed it unsafe to use ?

I'm probably really slow on the uptake here and you guys probably know all this, however i'm looking for something that is a good alternative.

Using Pulse V4 at the min. Works a bit but its nothing to write home about. Its just ultra sweet and twangy.
Similar effect to like 5 spoons of coffee lol.

Is craze any good ?

[matt_vtr_15a]

Jack3d now do micro which is legal over here as a pre-workout but it's nothing special..

Craze is the best I have used out of all the pre-workouts... pisses all over Musclepharm Assault which I previously used to use.

It takes you to another level mentally, makes you feel high (euphoric feeling)

I wouldn't use it all the time though, 1 serving gave me the best pre-workout results I've had but you should cycle it...

Personally I only use it twice a week at most on heavy sessions to prevent losing the buzz it gives...

Used the warrior rage pre-workout recently and I don't particularly rate that either...

You won't be dissapointed with craze.

[Carlvtr88]

Jack3d now do micro which is legal over here as a pre-workout but it's nothing special..

Craze is the best I have used out of all the pre-workouts... pisses all over Musclepharm Assault which I previously used to use.

It takes you to another level mentally, makes you feel high (euphoric feeling)

I wouldn't use it all the time though, 1 serving gave me the best pre-workout results I've had but you should cycle it...

Personally I only use it twice a week at most on heavy sessions to prevent losing the buzz it gives...

Used the warrior rage pre-workout recently and I don't particularly rate that either...

You won't be disappointed with craze.

thanks mate, where do you get yours from ?

[matt_vtr_15a]

thanks mate, where do you get yours from ?

I got some from predator nutrition (berry lemonade) it was on offer at the time

http://www.predatornutrition.com/en/craze-238g-45-servings-free-predator-shaker/

However...

I do cycle it with this stuff which has been good to me but craze still has the edge over it especially in terms of mental focus but i am more vascular with 1.m.r

http://www.dolphinfitness.co.uk/en/bpi-1mr-224g/26920

Decent price at the moment, if you find £35 is a bit steep then this is definately a decent alternative especially at that price. I tend to go double dose now as you do slowly build up a tolerance...

I also lay off the caffeine now at work to lower my stim tolerance, i cut all stims out infact for a good month or so before cycling pre workouts again.

[Carlvtr88]

I got some from predator nutrition (berry lemonade) it was on offer at the time

http://www.predatornutrition.com/en/craze-238g-45-servings-free-predator-shaker/

However...

I do cycle it with this stuff which has been good to me but craze still has the edge over it especially in terms of mental focus but i am more vascular with 1.m.r

http://www.dolphinfitness.co.uk/en/bpi-1mr-224g/26920

Decent price at the moment, if you find £35 is a bit steep then this is definately a decent alternative especially at that price. I tend to go double dose now as you do slowly build up a tolerance...

I also lay off the caffeine now at work to lower my stim tolerance, i cut all stims out infact for a good month or so before cycling pre workouts again.

Yeah I don't drink nothing more than water mate. I don't drink cola or fizzy drinks and I really really don't like coffee much ( I was drinking it as a pre workout under major protest lol ), so I'd imagine Craze is gonna hit me like a surge of adrenaline topped off with a shot of lemon juice in the eyeballs.

Pulse seems to work in terms of getting those extra reps but as you say, I wanted that euphoric buzz with it too, I don't get that off Pulse v4.

[matt_vtr_15a]

Yeah I don't drink nothing more than water mate. I don't drink cola or fizzy drinks and I really really don't like coffee much ( I was drinking it as a pre workout under major protest lol ), so I'd imagine Craze is gonna hit me like a surge of adrenaline topped off with a shot of lemon juice in the eyeballs.

Pulse seems to work in terms of getting those extra reps but as you say, I wanted that euphoric buzz with it too, I don't get that off Pulse v4.

For that euphoric feeling and tunnel vision within the gym craze gets it done hands down.

Nothin has come close for the mental focus, but had better for pump (but tbh I get a good pump anyway, some pre-workouts that give crazy pumps usually fuck up a workout for me.

Try a sample of it, i can guarantee you'll buy a tub afterwards ;)

[Carlvtr88]

For that euphoric feeling and tunnel vision within the gym craze gets it done hands down.

Nothin has come close for the mental focus, but had better for pump (but tbh I get a good pump anyway, some pre-workouts that give crazy pumps usually fuck up a workout for me.

Try a sample of it, i can guarantee you'll buy a tub afterwards ;)

I'm gonna have a look round see if anyone does it cheaper, or samples.

[b0t13]

ive heard good things about craze since the DMAA ban came in,

be careful though as MOST craze sellers have fakes, including amazon! ebay especially!

youll have to order it from pred nutrition as that the only official supplier i believe?

where can i get a free sample, i wonna see what the fuss is about since ive had nothing like jack3d

[matt_vtr_15a]

I got my free sample from predator nutrition with an order I placed, so I imagine they have a few kicking around may be worth asking if you can purchase one as a one off or request it as the free sample if your placing an order.

Craze is a hard one to get much cheaper I have found as it is currently such a popular pre-workout. Whereas it's a good opportunity now to get other pre-workouts for decent discount.

Not sure on the legitimacy on other craze suppliers etc. but at least you know your getting the real deal with pred.

For the sake of saving £5-10 to buy some fake craze which is actually sherbet dip that will just make you a hyperactive little bastard.

[b0t13]

ECA stacks look interesting aswell, good fat burner and can be bought over the shelf :D

im half tempted to give that a go when i do a cut as its getting really good reviews, esp for the price!

[matt_vtr_15a]

ECA stacks look interesting aswell, good fat burner and can be bought over the shelf :D

im half tempted to give that a go when i do a cut as its getting really good reviews, esp for the price!

Ephedrine was illegal when was it legalised? Unless they are branding it as eca... or unless your making yournown with cheesteze or whatever has ephedrine in

Most otc fat burners do nothing however a proper eca stack and clen do a good job if diet and training is in order.

Need to be careful with blood pressures etc. Though

[Carlvtr88]

Ephedrine was illegal when was it legalised? Unless they are branding it as eca... or unless your making yournown with cheesteze or whatever has ephedrine in

Most otc fat burners do nothing however a proper eca stack and clen do a good job if diet and training is in order.

Need to be careful with blood pressures etc. Though

I was actually thinking of doing this.... a pre workout strong as fuck coffee and some ephedrine or Ephedra ( IIRC ) tablets. Apparently its awesome.

I've looked into craze and yes, £35 a pop is a little expensive for me. Specially given the fact I just KNOW ill want some more if its as good as you say lol.

I have my last tester pouch of Pulse V4 which i'm taking at 3.30 before my 4pm session after work. Is there any recommendations when taking its ? Empty stomach? more water, less water ?
Coffee before hand to maximise effects ?

[matt_vtr_15a]

I was actually thinking of doing this.... a pre workout strong as fuck coffee and some ephedrine or Ephedra ( IIRC ) tablets. Apparently its awesome.

I've looked into craze and yes, £35 a pop is a little expensive for me. Specially given the fact I just KNOW ill want some more if its as good as you say lol.

I have my last tester pouch of Pulse V4 which i'm taking at 3.30 before my 4pm session after work. Is there any recommendations when taking its ? Empty stomach? more water, less water ?
Coffee before hand to maximise effects ?

I had a proper eca stack from a guy i know... it did do the trick but do keep an eye on blood pressure/heart rate etc. If you go this route...

A couple of years or so ago i went off of lifting for a bit and did a lot of boxing, muay thai and running and ran a month on eca stack... whilst the majority of weight loss was from increase in physical activity the eca did play its role! Sweat like a bitch and as the training session or run went on i'd find myself becoming more determined to go hard and push myself... maybe placebo but it fli ked a swit h that helped me.

Clen was very effective for me, definately made me much more jittery than eca did, i'd get night sweats and a lot of cramos so the sides where more apparent and my blood pressure went thru the roof so i came off them.

In terms of pre workout i train in a fasted state in the morning so my pre'workout is on an empty stomach except for a green tea/ water i may of had prior to my workout...

I personally wouldn't have a coffee beforehand a good pre-workout should have a good blend to work synergistically, would just stick to the pre-workout and try the best you can to take it on an empty stomach which is hard based on your training time but a couple hours or so should be enough. I cut all stimulants out of my diet pretty much except for my pre-workout to maximise the effects for the workout... some people consume high amounts of stims and wonder why they feel no benefits from pre workouts.... but unfortunately the body will build up a tolerance like it will with the preworkout if you don't cycle it.

I know you have cut stims out of your diet but just a point to anyone reading...

Also i crash hard on some pre-workouts... which is bad news for me... finish training, have a shower and get to work and then crash. Was the longest day of my life! Thats why i like craze never get a crash from it..

[Carlvtr88]

I might give craze a blast you know. From Pred Nutrition.

How long does the 45 serving tub last mate ? Worth spending the £35 on ?

Juts to add i've never really been a big stim person anyway. Never been a coffee drinker or had much cola.

[matt_vtr_15a]

I might give craze a blast you know. From Pred Nutrition.

How long does the 45 serving tub last mate ? Worth spending the £35 on ?

Juts to add i've never really been a big stim person anyway. Never been a coffee drinker or had much cola.

Depends on your tolerance i suppose.. i normally have high tolerance, always have for alcohol, caffeine, narcotics etc.

However one serving size of craze actually does the job for me! Whereas warrior rage reborn i have to use 2.5 servings to get anything from that... so it ends up costing more for less effects.

I usually use craze for 2 or 3 sessions a week so it does end up lasting quite a long time if you did a 3 day split and used it every session it would last 15 weeks at one dose serving... so if you work it on that basis it's not a bad investment.

I would suggest taking a week off the craze after a month or so and just use caffeine preworkout or battle thru with no stims to keep the effectiveness up or alternatively up your dose to 1.5 scoops etc.

It will last a while, so worth it imo... most preworkouts are loaded with caffeine whereas craze isn't its not the main stim which is why it feels so different to others in terms of mental focus... some people are addament it contsins amphetamines lol... i use alternative pre workouts so i can cycle my craze to keep it effective... its very different to other pre-workouts so i find cycling craze with a caffeine based pre workout seems to keep them effective for me all the time!

[McGuire86]

Few lines of coke

[matt_vtr_15a]

Few lines of coke

I'd love to be able to.afford that as a preworkout ha, yiu know you've made it when your racking up lines for a chest session hs

[Carlvtr88]

Depends on your tolerance i suppose.. i normally have high tolerance, always have for alcohol, caffeine, narcotics etc.

However one serving size of craze actually does the job for me! Whereas warrior rage reborn i have to use 2.5 servings to get anything from that... so it ends up costing more for less effects.

I usually use craze for 2 or 3 sessions a week so it does end up lasting quite a long time if you did a 3 day split and used it every session it would last 15 weeks at one dose serving... so if you work it on that basis it's not a bad investment.

I would suggest taking a week off the craze after a month or so and just use caffeine preworkout or battle thru with no stims to keep the effectiveness up or alternatively up your dose to 1.5 scoops etc.

It will last a while, so worth it imo... most preworkouts are loaded with caffeine whereas craze isn't its not the main stim which is why it feels so different to others in terms of mental focus... some people are addament it contsins amphetamines lol... i use alternative pre workouts so i can cycle my craze to keep it effective... its very different to other pre-workouts so i find cycling craze with a caffeine based pre workout seems to keep them effective for me all the time!

Yeah, TBH, i could manage easily without anything and I don't want to be stim dependant but it is awesome when you hit the gym feeling like your turning green LOL. You just get those last extra sets / reps in and really get a great pump.

I would prob try one tub, then leave it for a while. I could then possibly even compare it to my Pulse V4, which I have downed about 20 mins ago before I go in there at 4.
" It's starting to .... take..... eff....... ROOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAARGGGHHHHHHH "