EP3 what's people's thoughts?

[martin1985]

I am thinking of getting an ep3 for my next car as they ain't expensive these days. I have never driven one and wanted people's thoughts on them. I have done a little research on google and get stupid deluded threads like this

http://www.corsa-c.co.uk/forum/archive/index.php/t-20006.html (old thread i know lol)

is vtec yo! good lol?

cheers :afro:

[MuZiZZle]

They're cheap but chavvy....

[Gandi699]

In the right colour and spec they are an awesome car, I'd have one to be honest. Chavs wet dream though so a lot of nails around too, there's a silver one round by me that the guy used to throw into first when doing about 30-40 just so he could hold it on the limiter. Didn't blow up mind you but even so, utterly abused car that no one would want to own!


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[Manu]

Slow until you get in the revs, then drinks petrol when you get in the revs. How about a car with some torque.

[smiith]

I am thinking of getting an ep3 for my next car as they ain't expensive these days. I have never driven one and wanted people's thoughts on them. I have done a little research on google and get stupid deluded threads like this

http://www.corsa-c.co.uk/forum/archive/index.php/t-20006.html (old thread i know lol)

is vtec yo! good lol?

cheers :afro:

3rd comment i think in that thread "Astra has the following on it's side".. Does he not know about the whole world wide love of honda? Pretty sure vauxfail aren't too big in 'MURICA

Decent cars, well built, nice to drive, and nice inside, like said, getting a bit chavy now they're cheap, but i wouldn't turn one down for the money, won't get a much better car..

If you keep an eye out, Megane 225's are pretty cheap

[MuZiZZle]

A standard one isn't as fast as my VTS

[Manu]

If you keep an eye out, Megane 225's are pretty cheap

until something goes wrong that is.

[smiith]

until something goes wrong that is.

If something goes wrong, they're still cheap.. I don't see the point you are trying to raise with me saying they're cheap?

[MuZiZZle]

If something goes wrong, they're still cheap.. I don't see the point you are trying to raise with me saying they're cheap?

He's a BMW wanker, wankers the lot of them

[Manu]

^^^ this

If something goes wrong, they're still cheap.. I don't see the point you are trying to raise with me saying they're cheap?

*not cheap.

I have fixed enough renaults and bought enough renault parts to know they're expensive and typically take longer to arrive.

[martin1985]

3rd comment i think in that thread "Astra has the following on it's side".. Does he not know about the whole world wide love of honda? Pretty sure vauxfail aren't too big in 'MURICA

Decent cars, well built, nice to drive, and nice inside, like said, getting a bit chavy now they're cheap, but i wouldn't turn one down for the money, won't get a much better car..

If you keep an eye out, Megane 225's are pretty cheap

agreed mate vauxfail lol, they are a chavs wet dream but i still like them and yeah for the money you can't get any better.

[Gandi699]

Are they? Renault parts aren't any more than parts for an ep3 and readily available


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[admad]

Bought one myself recently to replace my boring diesel daily. Quite good fun tbh not the fastest standard but an ecu and a couple other mods completely change it. Parts are cheap, don't cost much to run. Depends what you want it for as a daily for me in happy but wouldn't have one as my "toy" car there's too many about and most look the same with same mods

[Prickle]

A standard one isn't as fast as my VTS

Aye, remember that at Castle Combe. :D he was going no where haha

[MuZiZZle]

Aye, remember that at Castle Combe. :D he was going no where haha

Matt was hauling me around too, the CTR driver was alone, I'm at leask 50kg cock meat :y:

[Dany4494]

Nealry as fast as a cammed vtr a vts blows them out of the water.

[martin1985]

yeah cause saxo vts fastest n shit....

[Prickle]

test drive one, see what you think.

[Pod]

A astra GSI is about the same speed, nothing in it really. Mine with couple of mods beats my mates GSI.

Test drive one defiantly, should make your mind up straight away like me haha

[MuZiZZle]

yeah cause saxo vts fastest n shit....

In all honesty, my bhp 141 french tin kept up with one, then raped it on the corners

it's not much of a step up

[smiith]

In all honesty, my bhp 141 french tin kept up with one, then raped it on the corners

it's not much of a step up

I'd rather drive the honda daily, than your tin twat

[MuZiZZle]

I'd rather drive the honda daily, than your tin twat

I was the meat in a "Women of the Smith House" sex baguette

[smiith]

I was the meat in a "Women of the Smith House" sex baguette

That's a lot more unfortunate for you, than it is for me!

[MuZiZZle]

That's a lot more unfortunate for you, than it is for me!

I used your spongebob duvet as a sexual jizz nappy

[nicole_]

they're THE chav car atm..
and everyone bangs on about the steering feel
apparently it can be helped slightly with a dc5 steering rack or something though :)

[stevo67]

Not a massive fan,but the colour on this one is awesome.:drink:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HONDA-CIVIC-TYPE-R-EP3-2002-FULL-BODY-COLOUR-1-OFF-PROFESSIONAL-RESPRAY-/171246126716?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item27df10867c

[MuZiZZle]

they're THE chav car atm..
and everyone bangs on about the steering feel
apparently it can be helped slightly with a dc5 steering rack or something though :)

You need the DC5 steering wheel too!

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/23/hapapupy.jpg

[vtectransplant]

Been on a Trackday with one today that did it's first of 173 trackdays when it had 500miles on it......it's now on 103k

But yeah, they're chavvy lol

[MuZiZZle]

Been on a Trackday with one today that did it's first of 173 trackdays when it had 500miles on it......it's now on 103k

But yeah, they're chavvy lol

Did you have to wear a tracksuit?

By track day, do you mean cruising the maccy D's car park listening to Scooter?

[Bedford126]

I love mine!! The only car to put a smile on my face in a long time and I'm getting 36mpg from mine.

Steering feel is wank until you get a decent set of tyres and a geo set up. Also the "not as fast as my vts" comments I challenge any one to a track day with me behind the wheel of mine and we will see about that. A saxo could keep up with a Enzo if the driver was crap.

But to the op, decent car with a decent history with golden oil in the engine will always do you well. Avoid any type r with less than a quarter of a tank of petrol and dirty oil, they need servicing a lot to keep the engine and vtec system in good working order.

[Prickle]

muzizzle vts will make your ep3s ass sore on track bedford

*runs

[Bedford126]

muzizzle vts will make your ep3s ass sore on track bedford

*runs

Ha ha maybe we will see?

* runs and hides behind prickle

[MuZiZZle]

Ha ha maybe we will see?

* runs and hides behind prickle

If you're on at FCS I'll have a go like!

[Bedford126]

Not sure if ill be going mate, got a mates wedding the same weekend. But I'll probs see you at another track day through this year

[vtectransplant]

Did you have to wear a tracksuit?

By track day, do you mean cruising the maccy D's car park listening to Scooter?


Lol no Snetterton.... This blokes has done most in this country plus Spa and The ring.

But we did have Mikie B hardcore on.

[Nik_L]

I love mine!! The only car to put a smile on my face in a long time and I'm getting 36mpg from mine.

Steering feel is wank until you get a decent set of tyres and a geo set up. Also the "not as fast as my vts" comments I challenge any one to a track day with me behind the wheel of mine and we will see about that. A saxo could keep up with a Enzo if the driver was crap.

But to the op, decent car with a decent history with golden oil in the engine will always do you well. Avoid any type r with less than a quarter of a tank of petrol and dirty oil, they need servicing a lot to keep the engine and vtec system in good working order.

12k or every year really isn't alot.

And i would avoid most cars with dirty oil, not just a type r.

And the petrol comment is just a bit too far.

But aye, EP3's are probably the best all round £ for £ car on the market right now.

Prices were dropping fast last year, but seem to have hit a stop the now, so buy a decent 1 for decent money and you won't lose much on it.

[Bedford126]

12k or every year really isn't alot.

And i would avoid most cars with dirty oil, not just a type r.

And the petrol comment is just a bit too far.

But aye, EP3's are probably the best all round £ for £ car on the market right now.

Prices were dropping fast last year, but seem to have hit a stop the now, so buy a decent 1 for decent money and you won't lose much on it.

Service interval on a civic with over 70k on the clock according to auto data is every 6k miles.

what do you mean the comment about the petrol is too far?

[Nik_L]

Avoid 1 with less than a 1/4 of a tank of petrol....

Why???

And iirc, CPL Racing quote the intervals at 12k, regardless of the mileage.

[Bedford126]

Avoid 1 with less than a 1/4 of a tank of petrol....

Why???

And iirc, CPL Racing quote the intervals at 12k, regardless of the mileage.

Cpl also set the cars geo up with the weight of 2 people in the car one in the passenger seat and one in the drivers. so if you do a track day just on your own the geo is out?

Also the 1/4 of Petrol refers to the pump on the civics and my 2 years of working there whilst the ep's were pretty new and the water content of the fuel when you buy from supermarkets and the likes. Fucks the cats up on the type r's and throws a error code saying something like "catalytic inefficiency"

[0rang3peel]

Just searched out of interest to see the prices, there was a time when I was going to buy an ep3 but sense kicked in and I added the money towards my mortgage, but anyway jesus shitting christ shitters are going for 2k!

[Bedford126]

Just searched out of interest to see the prices, there was a time when I was going to buy an ep3 but sense kicked in and I added the money towards my mortgage, but anyway jesus shitting christ shitters are going for 2k!

Yep you can get a shitter for under the 2k mark now the decent ones you are looking at around 3-4k and most prem editions and low milage are 5k and up. Its a lot of car for the money.

[0rang3peel]

Yep you can get a shitter for under the 2k mark now the decent ones you are looking at around 3-4k and most prem editions and low milage are 5k and up. Its a lot of car for the money.

Without a doubt, surely going to get like saxos soon at a rock bottom price and not go much lower. Can't imagine seeing them going for 1.5k/less!

[Carl-h]

I love mine! Great fun plenty quick enough don't listen to the no torque bollocks people spout. It's not gonna be like a turbo wher it'll just go but you can drive it roun like a normal car never going over 2.5k and it's fine. Just that if you want the best from it you need to change at about 8.1k every time! But that is half the fun IMO.

Also mine is easily the most reliable car I've owned. In 8000 miles I've had a bulb go and a brake drag. Eats tyres though but that's partially down to my geo setup.

[vtectransplant]

I love mine! Great fun plenty quick enough don't listen to the no torque bollocks people spout. It's not gonna be like a turbo wher it'll just go but you can drive it roun like a normal car never going over 2.5k and it's fine. Just that if you want the best from it you need to change at about 8.1k every time! But that is half the fun IMO.

Also mine is easily the most reliable car I've owned. In 8000 miles I've had a bulb go and a brake drag. Eats tyres though but that's partially down to my geo setup.


Point 1 torque: about 3lb less than a 172 with the factory mapping where Honda actually map in the vtec kick yo! K100 and nothing else sees nearly 160lb and a 30+bhp increase in the mid range (but no vtec yo kick)

Point 2: Reliability...My mates has done 147k now so he's done 70k and he has spent less on it than 3 weeks ownership of a Golf VR6.

It's a shame they're so cheap really but it makes me laugh the Irony of them being called Chavvy on a Saxo forum!

Standard EP's aren't particularly fast on track in standard form but very few 'standard' cars are.

To the op, drive one, see if you like it and make a decision based on that.

As long as you don't put a Buddy Club Spec 2 on it driving around on overrun all night you'll be far from chavvy.

[vtectransplant]

^ I was agreeing with you btw lol

[MuZiZZle]

Point 1 torque: about 3lb less than a 172 with the factory mapping where Honda actually map in the vtec kick yo! K100 and nothing else sees nearly 160lb and a 30+bhp increase in the mid range (but no vtec yo kick)

Point 2: Reliability...My mates has done 147k now so he's done 70k and he has spent less on it than 3 weeks ownership of a Golf VR6.

It's a shame they're so cheap really but it makes me laugh the Irony of them being called Chavvy on a Saxo forum!

Standard EP's aren't particularly fast on track in standard form but very few 'standard' cars are.

To the op, drive one, see if you like it and make a decision based on that.

As long as you don't put a Buddy Club Spec 2 on it driving around on overrun all night you'll be far from chavvy.


Hondata K100 ECU with custom remap £690+ vat

5-10bhp peak
Up to 35 BHP Mid range
Up to 35 ft.lbs Mid range

Ching!

[Nik_L]

In an ideal world, you want the BHP and torque figures to be around the same. That imo is where the confusion comes from when people say the EP3 has no torque, they are comparing it to the higher BHP figure.

The way Honda have got around this is by fitting an extremely close ratio gearbox to the EP3. You could be rolling at say 25mph in 3rd gear and it will pull up the revs like any another N/A car would in 2nd gear.

[vtectransplant]

Add into the equation full exhaust including manifold, RBC inlet manifold and you've got 240 too.

I agree with the confusion too Nik, the peak power is also just the maths of torque x revs iirc? So because they rev the peak figures are high too.

Also it's always down to power/weight, exactly why track Saxos punch above their weight.

There was a 106Xsi at Snett yesterday and it had no right to be as quick as it was lol. Nicely prepped, well driven and lots of unhappy Lotus drivers lol

[martin1985]

thanks for the info guys! i will be keeping my eye out for a decent one need to start saving the penny's!

[Mochachino]

I do quite like the EP3s, parts are readily available and theyre not hard to make look good, in fact they look good standard.

I would have to have the prefacelift.

Preferably the JDM EP3, they hold their value much better and are better specced.

My mates JDM EP3:

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6147/6201491389_1776cffb25.jpg

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6029/6201387723_a8331182b8.jpg

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6174/6201988878_3dd0cf612f.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kenco2o11/6201988878/)

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6173/6201969028_ed8cffd69e.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kenco2o11/6201969028/)

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6162/6202015906_45c92122f4.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kenco2o11/6202015906/)

[martin1985]

looks a very good motor that does mate :y:

[Nik_L]

Do the JDM not go for crazy money in the 1st place though?? What's the differences?? I'd bet not enough to warrant the higher price tag. JDM scene tax also.

I would only have a pre-face if it was a mint, factory standard in Milano Red. The others just look too dated. Face-lift looks much better imo.

[Mochachino]

Do the JDM not go for crazy money in the 1st place though?? What's the differences?? I'd bet not enough to warrant the higher price tag. JDM scene tax also.

I would only have a pre-face if it was a mint, factory standard in Milano Red. The others just look too dated. Face-lift looks much better imo.

I love the prefacelift in Milano red, I was going to get one before I got the EuroR came up for sale.

They go for around £6.5k-£9kish

LSD
Red Recaros
Different ARBs
Climate Control with AirCon
Tinted Windows
Momo Steering Wheel

The differences between the JDM and the Euro CTR are quite significant .

*=not standard on Euro CTR

SAFETY EQUIPMENT
- For driver's seat & SRS air bag system for submarine seat
- The EBD (the electronic control braking effort distribution system)
- ABS (4 wheel anti lock brake system)
- LED high mount stop lamp
- Bumper beam & door beam
- The front 3 point type overload limiters you attach, the pre- tensioner -
the ELR seat belt
- Rear 3 point type ELR/ALR (child seat fixed mechanism) seat belt
- ISO FIX corresponding child seat fixed private bar (rear left and right
seat)

COMFORT EQUIPMENT
- EPS (electromotive power steering) + VGR (variable steering gear ratio)
- Tinted Windows (low Ultraviolet)

INTERIOR
- Recaro Corporation make bucket seat (front) *
- Leather 3 spoke steering wheel by MOMO *
- Aluminum shift knob (instrument panel shift)
- Aluminum pitch center panel
- TYPE R console emblem
- Red floor mat & door lining *
- Foot rest (driver's seat side)
- Cup holder (front / rear)
- 6: 4 divided yes falling down type rear seats

EXTERIOR
- Aero forum bumper (front / rear)
- Large-sized tail gate spoiler
- Body same color side sill garnish
- TYPE R private HONDA emblem (front / rear)
- TYPE R emblem (front / rear) / decare (side)
- U.K. Emblem (rear) *
- Red engine head cover
- Mist mechanism attaching intermittent front wiper
- Body same color electromotive remote control door mirror
- Micro antenna

TIRE/WHEELS
- High grip tire (205/45r17 84w)
- Private aluminum wheel (17×7JJ)

OPTIONAL COMFORT PACK (sold with 99% of JDM cars)
- Air Conditioning (Manual)
- Power windows
- Power door lock (tail gate gearing)
- Radio wave type key less entry system (welcome lamp functional attaching)
- Map lamp
- Rear shelf
- HID headlight (high / low beam) *
- Privacy glass (rear quarter / tail gate) *
- Washer attaching intermittent rear wiper

OTHER:
Travelling-related mechanism
- Private hard setting suspension
- Torque response type helical LSD *
- Front large diameter ventilated disk brake
- Rear disk brake
- Strut tower bar (front / rear)
- Thicker Anti-Roll Bars.

ENGINE:
K20A Specification *
Peak Power Output (kW [ PS ] /rpm) - 158 [ 215 ] /8,000 *
Peak Torque Output (N m [ kg m ] /rpm) - 202 [ 20.6 ] /7,000 *

The JDM engine is uprated and contains JDM springs, valves, pistons
etc plus it also has a smaller cat.
There are also different gear ratios and mapping in the Japanese car, along with a different intake and exhaust manifolds as well.

Also, the JDM car has a different wiring loom , so many electrical bits,
like the HID lights, won't just 'plug in' to a UK CTR.

The JDM is also group 20 insurance in the UK.

Like I say id rather have one for the fact it wont depreciate as much, and easier to sell too as theyre more desirable.

[Nik_L]

That's crazy money when you can still spend less buying and making a UKDM better and still have change.

But as said, they have hit rock bottom just now, and are starting to creep back up in price. Last year you could pick up a good EP3 for around £2.5k. Now you would be looking at around £3k. So get a good 1 and you won't lose on it. I would bet the market for a UKDM is far better than what it is for a JDM too so i wouldn't agree on the JDM selling quicker, not at those prices you have quoted.

[Liam_]

Good upgrade from a Saxo imo and will definitely take abuse a lot better than a Saxo would. As for the "chav image" being mentioned... surely if you're coming from a Saxo it's hardly an issue?!

My only complaint is the vague steering feel, but I guess it's no different to the majority of modern cars with an electric rack. Mods are expensive, but good power can be had with breathing mods, K100/ K-Pro and a remap.

I'd imagine a lightened, cammed VTS with a shorter final drive to be similar pace to a standard EP3. For what it's worth, my VTS with breathing mods got absolutely pissed on by standard EP3s at Knockhill.

[MuZiZZle]

For what it's worth, my VTS with breathing mods got absolutely pissed on by standard EP3s at Knockhill.

HOW????? don't you have a diff too?!!?!?

[Nik_L]

The pit straight at Knockhill is what kills the small CC N/A cars. They just don't have the grunt.

[MuZiZZle]

The pit straight at Knockhill is what kills the small CC N/A cars. They just don't have the grunt.

it is pretty heartbreaking when you see people pull away, but I tend to outbreak them on the next few corners :y:

Just watching CTR's at combe, they tend to do 1:30s, we were doing the same :y:

[craigy_87]

I've enjoyed mine for the last year and all the mods seem to be reasonably cheap I just seem to be stock pilling them tho really need to get it all fitted.
I get pretty good mpg aswell with usual driving better than my 330d was.
They don't stand up well to deers running into the side of them when driving at 50mph tho as I found out yesterday!

[stinkycheese]

This place makes me crease up.


In standard form they are brilliant cars. Especially considering how cheap they are now. Mileage means absolutely nothing as long as the oil has been changed regularly. My old EP3 had over 100k more than a mates and I consistently beat him a Santapod.

The power delivery coupled with the short ratio box is definitely tricky but once mastered it will make you a better driver. Pedals are spaced perfectly for heel-toe braking (for me at least) and the gearbox is phenomenal.

Find one with an LSD if possible and you have a seriously quick car in the twistys.
Leave 17" alloys on and don't bother with power mods until you've mastered the VTEC (yo).

[martin1985]

thanks for the info stinkycheese :y:

[saxo_ron]

An ep3 is a huge step up from a saxo, I've had a very well performing cammed saxo and a cheap brake upgrade on an ep3 will have them ruining a saxo round a track, driver dependent.

I'm in a dc5 now and again it's a step up from the ep3.

Have a drive of an ep3 and see what you think. You'll likely enjoy it.

[martin1985]

i would imagine that an ep3 is a step up lol, cheers for info. just need to save the pennies for one lol

[leeroybrown]

Only downside I have is the steering could do with being more weighted, apart from that a premier one is pretty sick!

[Bedford126]

Only downside I have is the steering could do with being more weighted, apart from that a premier one is pretty sick!

Steering feels 100% better once you had the geometry set up by places like tdi or cpl

[Mochachino]

An ep3 is a huge step up from a saxo, I've had a very well performing cammed saxo and a cheap brake upgrade on an ep3 will have them ruining a saxo round a track, driver dependent.

I'm in a dc5 now and again it's a step up from the ep3.

Have a drive of an ep3 and see what you think. You'll likely enjoy it.

DC5 isnt greatly different from the UK EP3 tbf. Few differences that change the feel of the car, but performance wise there isnt anything in it, pretty much the same car. If anything the EP3 is better.

However they both have macpherson strut suspension. they took a backwards step. The CL7 has more potential than the EP3 and DC5, however out of the packet the CL7 would be behind down to weight mainly.

Majority of Jap Racing drivers seem to prefer the CL7 and criticise the EP3 and DC5 for their potential when it comes to tuning them.

[Liam_]

DC5 isnt greatly different from the UK EP3 tbf. Few differences that change the feel of the car, but performance wise there isnt anything in it, pretty much the same car. If anything the EP3 is better.

Do you not mean the JDM EP3? The difference between a UK EP3 and a DC5 is pretty damn substantial... 220bhp in stock form, improved gear ratios, LSD, Brembo 4 pots, hydraulic steering.

Surely you'd have to spend a packet on a UK EP3 to match that sort of performance out the box?

[Mochachino]

Do you not mean the JDM EP3? The difference between a UK EP3 and a DC5 is pretty damn substantial... 220bhp in stock form, improved gear ratios, LSD, Brembo 4 pots, hydraulic steering.

Surely you'd have to spend a packet on a UK EP3 to match that sort of performance out the box?

Yeh sorry JDM EP3! At least £4k to match the JDM EP3, then the other bits and bobs like AirCon etc, but a new wiring loom is required, different headlights n all that bollox lol

JDM EP3 and the DC5 are pretty much the same tbf

[MuZiZZle]

All of this technology and they're still fwd!

[leeroybrown]

Steering feels 100% better once you had the geometry set up by places like tdi or cpl

Still feels to light for my liking to be honest

[MuZiZZle]

I raped some more of them at Cadwell on saturday, VTS = fastest car in the world, well apart from a GT3RS

[Nik_L]

Thought you were heading up to Knockhill on Saturday??

[MuZiZZle]

Thought you were heading up to Knockhill on Saturday??

Yeah but I saw a Mclaren MP4-12 was at Cadwell so I thought I'd go there instead to show him what the VTS was all about

[Nik_L]

And did it get shown?

[MuZiZZle]

And did it get shown?

I don't recall seeing it on track, when I was driving anyway, but I could have jogged around the footpath faster than he was driving it, it was so funny :homme:

[D4MJT]

An ep3 is a huge step up from a saxo, I've had a very well performing cammed saxo and a cheap brake upgrade on an ep3 will have them ruining a saxo round a track, driver dependent.

I'm in a dc5 now and again it's a step up from the ep3.

Have a drive of an ep3 and see what you think. You'll likely enjoy it.

Interesting that, what do you prefer about the DC5?

I've driven both quite a bit, both standard, and then a cammed / K-Pro'd EP3, which was then a spoon diff'd, jackson charged EP3, and a cammed K-Pro'd DC5 which was then a rebuilt stroked 9,800k NA lump, and I preferred the EP3 every time. I don't know why, but it felt like a better drive, and I think I actually preferred the driving position.

[D4MJT]

I am thinking of getting an ep3 for my next car as they ain't expensive these days. I have never driven one and wanted people's thoughts on them. I have done a little research on google and get stupid deluded threads like this

http://www.corsa-c.co.uk/forum/archive/index.php/t-20006.html (old thread i know lol)

is vtec yo! good lol?

cheers :afro:

What do you want from it? They're a better everyday road car than a saxo, if it's going to be a daily driver.

If it's a track car, they don't really seem to be much better than a saxo / 106 unless you're spending a lot of money. Tuning parts are far more expensive, you can throw a couple of hundred quid at a VTS / GTi and it'll run rings round an EP3 all day long.

[Gandi699]

wouldnt believe anything you read on that corsa c forum, makes the special cases here seem like they have a doctorate

[martin1985]

What do you want from it? They're a better everyday road car than a saxo, if it's going to be a daily driver.

If it's a track car, they don't really seem to be much better than a saxo / 106 unless you're spending a lot of money. Tuning parts are far more expensive, you can throw a couple of hundred quid at a VTS / GTi and it'll run rings round an EP3 all day long.

everyday car and some power when i want it

[D4MJT]

everyday car and some power when i want it

They're a great everyday car.

Power, you need to rag it's neck to get dem powahz, but it's a completely different experience post K-Pro and a decent map.

Many will disagree but bone standard they're unexciting.

Gearchange is immense, best thing about the car.

[deano_123]

ive had a supercharged EP3 and a k-pro'd DC5, the EP felt like the more planted car but i think this was due to the noise/ stiff ride etc. The DC5 goes a lot quicker than it feels and is a very capable car straight out the factory, its not fast in a straight line but with some good tyres it will show up some fancier stuff through some bends

i think i should have kept the DC5 longer but i knew it would turn into a money pit and go the way the EP did

[martin1985]

They're a great everyday car.

Power, you need to rag it's neck to get dem powahz, but it's a completely different experience post K-Pro and a decent map.

Many will disagree but bone standard they're unexciting.

Gearchange is immense, best thing about the car.

yes i know that you have to rag it's neck to make vtec work that does not bother me at all (apparently change gear just before 8200 rpm?)

If i get one i probably will look into K-Pro + map

Maybe they are unexciting but they are better and quicker than a saxo in straight line (both in standard form)

[jw1325]

they're THE chav car atm..
and everyone bangs on about the steering feel
apparently it can be helped slightly with a dc5 steering rack or something though :)

Steering relocation bracket.

The feels not that bad actually, but everything always has room for improvement.

Wouldn't say they're the chavs choice up here yet- still plenty decent ones kicking about. (A la mine).

I love mine, not too guzzly as a daily, reliable as they come, parts are cheap enough when stuff does need replaced, and modifications are easily come by through the many manufacturers.

More than happy to use it as a daily for work, and it has enough poke for me to enjoy it at the weekends, or when we go down south to JAE and Japfest and the like.

Thought about selling it last year for an Evo / S2000- but really, the civic does everything I need it to, whilst looking half decent.

[martin1985]

well i bought a ep3 yesterday will make a thread when i have time!

[VTR-Chris]

i also had a supercharged ep3 a few years ago

bullet proof car, never skipped a beat

they look quite dated now though, when i bought mine they were still around 8 to 10k

now you can pick them up for about 2k u always see a burberry cap'd chav drivin them

[mattknight1984]

Exactly this - great 4 or 5 years ago but some of them are 13 years old now and owned by bellends.

[Dany4494]

Only ones worth having a genuine jdm one or a genuine prem edition imo.

[jw1325]

Only ones worth having a genuine jdm one or a genuine prem edition imo.

The Premier ones are just normal ones tarted up. Nothing better performance wise.

Give me a tasteful facelift over the a sub standard premier with those garish calipers! The only thing I like about them are the seats but you can buy them.

[Nik_L]

And the JDM dosn't have enough extra goodies to warrant the hefty price increase either.

Give me a MINT factory standard Milano pre-face or a tastefully modded Cosmic Grey facelift over a JDM or Premier.

[jw1325]

Pre facelift looks like it's got down syndrome with that bullet front end though! Do not like.

[martin1985]

Pre facelift looks like it's got down syndrome with that bullet front end though! Do not like.

i like the pre facelift my self, just opinions at the end of the day!

[Bedford126]

now you can pick them up for about 2k u always see a burberry cap'd chav drivin them

That's the best thing i have heard coming from a Focus rs owner.

[D4MJT]

Only ones worth having a genuine jdm one or a genuine prem edition imo.

Rubbish, no offence meant, hopefully non taken.

There was an anniversary edition which was pre-facelift and there were 300 made, 100 of red, black and silver respectively, premier edition there was a shit ton, it's basically the run out with a set of seats, red carpet, a MOMO steering wheel and the Type-R logo on the calipers.

I personally prefer the facelift with non-facelift rear lights, but you can make that from either model. As far as I'm aware there were no noteable mechanical changes with the exception of the facelift model having a slighty lighter flywheel.

[Dany4494]

Rubbish, no offence meant, hopefully non taken.

There was an anniversary edition which was pre-facelift and there were 300 made, 100 of red, black and silver respectively, premier edition there was a shit ton, it's basically the run out with a set of seats, red carpet, a MOMO steering wheel and the Type-R logo on the calipers.

I personally prefer the facelift with non-facelift rear lights, but you can make that from either model. As far as I'm aware there were no noteable mechanical changes with the exception of the facelift model having a slighty lighter flywheel.

Basically yeah but I found they seem to demand a higher price, most young lads will go for a preface because you can pick them up for 2k ish my mates just sold his cosmic grey prem for 4k, genrally cheaper one's will be neglected.

[VTR-Chris]

That's the best thing i have heard coming from a Focus rs owner.

hahaha, how many burberry cap'd chavs do u see with a 20k+ RS

exactly.... :homme:

[Bedford126]

hahaha, how many burberry cap'd chavs do u see with a 20k+ RS

exactly.... :homme:

Considering that ford finance is one of the easiest finance company's to get approval for (use to work at ford) a shit load of them, come to Leeds every man and his dog has them here.

[Nik_L]

Pre facelift looks like it's got down syndrome with that bullet front end though! Do not like.

I know what you mean, but there's just something about tidy Milano pre-face's that does it for me. Needs to be factory standard though.

[D4MJT]

hahaha, how many burberry cap'd chavs do u see with a 20k+ RS

exactly.... :homme:

I loll'd like fuckery at that, haha

I can't remember the last time I saw one that wasn't!

[MuZiZZle]

hahaha, how many burberry cap'd chavs do u see with a 20k+ RS

exactly.... :homme:

100% of them?

[VTR-Chris]

haha, average age over at focusRSoc is late 30's , 40's

jealousy gets u nowhere boys

[Giraffe]

haha, average age over at focusRSoc is late 30's , 40's

jealousy gets u nowhere boys

30/40 year olds can still be burberry cap wearing chavs...

[MuZiZZle]

haha, average age over at focusRSoc is late 30's , 40's

jealousy gets u nowhere boys

I'm not really jealous of someone driving basically a FWD lairy training shoe.

I'd be more jealous of your kick ass properties etc though :y:

[Akay]

Owned an EP3 and a sport, loved the gearchange and engine, didnt like the numb steering and felt a little heavy. The 182 that followed was more nimble but obviously felt a bit pants build wise.

[Pat_Vts]

Fond memories of my old EP3, didn't have it for too long though.

VTEC is good however keep an eye on the brakes, i had problems with mine overheating and not being able to slow down adequately.

I'd have another if the wife didn't drain all my resources!