best brake upgrade

[Hothatch89]

Im wondering if I can upgrade my brakes without spending daft money, maybe from a xsara or 206 etc, that bolt straight on from a scrapyard or brokers.
Also isit best to change the calipers, disk etc or just a certain part if thats any sense? Cheers guys.

[Ross]

Bleed the brakes, fresh (budget) discs and good pads are the best idea unless you're seeing track use etc, then consider a slight upgrade in size to a 266 setup (206 gti etc).

Save your money.

[SlickandQuick]

306 gti6 breaks are good.

[Hothatch89]

306 gti6 breaks are good.

Would they fit straight on my vtr? With vts wheels, without having to do anything else?

[Ross]

Yes. But why do you want them? (serious question).

[Deano24]

A friend of mine brought a vts and had to upgrade the break on his car, we went out and brought a set off a 206 gti and they have made the car alot more responsive, alot better, i would say go for the 206 gti

[Jungle]

How have 206 gti brakes made the car more responsive?

[KamRacing]

they wont improve your stopping distance but they will change the amount of force you have to apply on the hydraulic system. For the better - not totally convinced myself.

[Hothatch89]

Why do I want better brakes....??
That's not a serious question. .?
1. Standard/current ones are shit.
2. I'll be camming and TBing my car next 2-3months so need to be a little better.

[Gandi699]

What people mean is its not always necessary to upgrade the brakes to larger diameter discs and associated calipers. Pad choice, disc type and fluid upgrade can offer cheaper and just as effective improvements

[Deano24]

well kam actually they have, made the stopping distence of the car alot faster

[Hothatch89]

I understand that and will be looking at the brembo pads and disks pack?
There on ebay, do you think they will be decent, with braided brake hoses and new fluid?

[Gandi699]

Oem replacements usually those things, they'll be alright but don't expect track day or race performance pads when you get them


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[Quick]

Better tyres will make a difference!

[Hothatch89]

I've got continentals all round with good tread, there a billion times better than the 'ginling' ones that came on the car ..

[Hothatch89]

I just want them to feel more reassuring, they don't have to be to be race spec material.
I've heard from a few ppl the standard vtr brakes are pants :/

[Gandi699]

They really aren't that crap when they've been sorted with the right parts and adjustments here and there


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[Connorsaxo]

Just get them re adjusted, will cost about 60 quid at a garage and youll really tell the difference

[thecorporatemachine]

i had a set of ebb yellows, taros g88 discs and some racing blue fluid on my vtr - standard size discs and standard callipers.
it used to out brake most things, they were lethal. lots better than my current set up - halfrauds fluid, ferrodo pads and hi spec 4 pots with 320mm rotors.

[Gabbastard]

i had a set of ebb yellows, taros g88 discs and some racing blue fluid on my vtr - standard size discs and standard callipers.
it used to out brake most things, they were lethal. lots better than my current set up - halfrauds fluid, ferrodo pads and hi spec 4 pots with 320mm rotors.


No wonder, with discs so big theyd always be freezing cold.

[deano_123]

Matts selling brembo 4 pots for £125, go for them

[Alfie09]

Matts selling brembo 4 pots for £125, go for them

They ain't all that though!
The discs they need are heavy, they make a racket when you brake and you either need spacers to use 15inch wheels or 16 inch wheels


A set if braided lines (all four)
Fresh quality fluid
Good quality oe spec disks
Uprated pads

And the handbrake adjusted correctly and its fine

[tomnelson]

Most if it's to do with heat disapation of the disc and force multiplication between the master cylinder and the caliper cylinder. Bigger brakes as a whole are generally better until you get to the point you can't even keep the brakes warm then it's just overkill.

If you took standard brakes with uprated disc and pads and compared them against 266 or 283 with uprated disc and pads the standards with general come worse off. BUT ONLY FROM HIGH SPEEDS. At low speeds you would never notice a difference apart from how the pedal might feel abit firmer or less travel.

Also you may need to upgrade your master cylinder size to improve force multiplication depending on brakes

[MuZiZZle]

206 Gti 266s, random discs, DS2500 pads, maybe a 23mm MC, this is all you need

[MartinObviously]

VTR brakes are shit?

Aren't they vented the same as the VTS and GTi?

No way they are shit, unless you're onto heavy track use.

[Ross]

Most if it's to do with heat disapation of the disc and force multiplication between the master cylinder and the caliper cylinder. Bigger brakes as a whole are generally better until you get to the point you can't even keep the brakes warm then it's just overkill.

If you took standard brakes with uprated disc and pads and compared them against 266 or 283 with uprated disc and pads the standards with general come worse off. BUT ONLY FROM HIGH SPEEDS. At low speeds you would never notice a difference apart from how the pedal might feel abit firmer or less travel.

Also you may need to upgrade your master cylinder size to improve force multiplication depending on brakes

The limit of braking (measured by deceleration) is tyre grip...

As I've said before - you want the SMALLEST discs you can run that will not fade under the intended use you plan. Larger discs and bigger brakes have many negative implications.

[MuZiZZle]

The limit of breaking (measured by deceleration) is tyre grip...

As I've said before - you want the SMALLEST discs you can run that will not fade under the intended use you plan. Larger discs and bigger brakes have many negative implications.

pm prickle

for reals

[Jamie]

Personally,

I'd go for 4 pots. Howevs like if you have a budget, 4 pots might cost you more than you'd like.

For instance,

Moi, second time round...

150 for Calipers collected
40 to paint
20 on custom decals (only used badge)
2-3 on normal decals

Then you'd need

fluids
23mm MC *assuming you're on Brembos*
discs
Pads
lines
fitting if you canny do it yourself...


So far I've spent 190 odd on mine. Still need discs *arguably don't* decent pads, lines & fluids.


Anyway, I agree with what people say about normal brake upgrades. Discs,pads etc can make all the difference.

For instance,

My last set of Brembos,

I got cheap discs *drilled and grooved* and some shit mintex pads. The guy who ended up with my car took the 4 pots off earned some pocket money and ended up with better pads on gti brakes etc and he thought it performed better.

I'd still say, not only do 4 pots look far better, but after decent pads etc they will or at least should outperform the gti's. So much to factor in though I guess... they add weight. Tell you what though, even on shit pads my vts stopped definitely far better than stock...

Anyway. I will stop talking crap now.

[Prickle]

pm prickle

for reals

Bitches love 4 pots.

tbf my old 266s worked very well. i just wanted something nicer to look at. :D

[MuZiZZle]

Bitches love 4 pots.

tbf my old 266s worked very well. i just wanted something nicer to look at. :D

Should have bought a car cover, or made one from crisp packets woven together with strands of pubic hair :y:

[Prickle]

Should have bought a car cover, or made one from crisp packets woven together with strands of pubic hair :y:

Lol, may aswell now with the state it's in.

cover on with the windows cut out lol