Eating healthy too expensive?

[D4MJT]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-27225323

I'll not mince about, what a pile of shite.

If you plan your meals and buy what you need, cooking your own food and eating healthily is far cheaper than buying processed packet crap and ready meals.

The issue is that people can't be bothered to cook their own food, and taking it out of a packet and lashing it in a microwave is easier.

Benders :homme:

[GolfJay]

I was talking about this with the other half the other day.

Go into Superdrug and buy a "healthy" sandwich, a chocolate bar and a bag of crisps (A normal lunch) you're going to be looking at about £2.50. Why would I spend £2.50 when I could buy a large bag of chips and a bread roll for less and enjoy more?

Same with fizzy drinks. Why would I buy a bottle of water at 90p when I can buy a can of Coca Cola for 60p? Which again, i'll enjoy more.

Make healthy shit cheaper and then maybe more people will buy it.

[Brettles1986]

I actually agree that eating healthy is more expensive.

For example, a bagof apples will set you back generally around £2 if you are buying tidy ones. Around 6 in a pack.

For that you can generally buy Chocolate bars and around 10 for the same price.

[Manu]

^^^0.99 at any lidls for a bag of apples.

just prepared my food for today. Cucumber salad with fresh cream, salt/pepper/dried chopped chillies, pizza base on which I'm going to slap some ham, pre-panned onions, eggs, cheese, olives,. Cheap and easy to do from scratch except for the pizza base. Serves 2-3.


Same with fizzy drinks. Why would I buy a bottle of water at 90p when I can buy a can of Coca Cola for 60p? Which again, i'll enjoy more..

Sounds healthy. Water prices start at 25 pence for a 2L bottle, not sure where you look for yours.

Go into Superdrug and buy a "healthy" sandwich, a chocolate bar and a bag of crisps (A normal lunch) you're going to be looking at about £2.50. Why would I spend £2.50 when I could buy a large bag of chips and a bread roll for less and enjoy more?

so, a 2.50 factory shit sandwich with chocosugar bar + a bag of oil and flavour enhancers vs a bag of chips and roll. A normal lunch, wow.



Eating healthy is not expensive. More like people who can't be arsed, starting with their shopping habits.

[D4MJT]

I was talking about this with the other half the other day.

Go into Superdrug and buy a "healthy" sandwich, a chocolate bar and a bag of crisps (A normal lunch) you're going to be looking at about £2.50. Why would I spend £2.50 when I could buy a large bag of chips and a bread roll for less and enjoy more?

Same with fizzy drinks. Why would I buy a bottle of water at 90p when I can buy a can of Coca Cola for 60p? Which again, i'll enjoy more.

Make healthy shit cheaper and then maybe more people will buy it.


This is the problem, and what I wrote above. It's still packet food, and I wouldn't call it healthy. Buy the ingredients, make it at home and take it with you? A loaf of bread is what, £1.20 for anything half decent, less if you're not bothered, and some ham and lettuce / cheese etc for the week. Multi-pack of crisps if you want crisps with it.

Lidl is awesome for fruit and veg, it's as good as anywhere else and far cheaper, plus most cities have markets etc where you can pick what you want and it's cheaper than supermarkets.

Supermarkets are convenient. You're bang on with your last statement, people buy cheap shit. But that's why they're fat.

[0rang3peel]

Eating healthy can be cheap but it takes a bit of prep and planning.

I usually make huge amounts of soup which costs bugger all...

2x broccoli 500g frozen peas & bit of mint + a stock cube and some water... less than £2 for about 3 decent sized meals.

1kg carrots, stock & corriander = less than £2

I could go on but there's hundreds of cheap healthy, tasty recipes.


I was talking about this with the other half the other day.

Go into Superdrug and buy a "healthy" sandwich, a chocolate bar and a bag of crisps (A normal lunch) you're going to be looking at about £2.50. Why would I spend £2.50 when I could buy a large bag of chips and a bread roll for less and enjoy more?

Same with fizzy drinks. Why would I buy a bottle of water at 90p when I can buy a can of Coca Cola for 60p? Which again, i'll enjoy more.

Make healthy shit cheaper and then maybe more people will buy it.

Don't even know where to start with this, the "normal lunch" you mentioned is not healthy. water is free... from a tap. We could all say "why would I buy something when I prefer this it's even cheaper" but we don't because we're not in America.

[D4MJT]

Instead of crisps make a load of flapjack, it's cheap as tits and easy as you like to make, keeps for over a week, and it's far healthier than a bag of crisps and a chocolate bar, oats ftw, slow release energy.

Snack on some cottage cheese or fruit.

It's easy and convenient not to bother. There's no point beating around the bush and trying to say it's too expensive to eat healthily but it's simply not true.

I'd say at a maximum half of my monthly food comes from a supermarket. Obesity is an issue because it's easy to buy shit cheaply, and not put the effort in, schools aren't teaching kids any useful life skills with regards to actually cooking for yourself or what is a balanced diet.

Before I met the wife and settled down, my ex's and their flatmates etc were always suprised that I could cook and prepare meals, and that was like 7-8 years ago, it's even worse now. It was pitiful how kids could end up at Uni at 18 years old and have literally no idea how to feed themselves or even look after themselves tbh.

[D4MJT]

Eating healthy can be cheap but it takes a bit of prep and planning.

I usually make huge amounts of soup which costs bugger all...

2x broccoli 500g frozen peas & bit of mint + a stock cube and some water... less than £2 for about 3 decent sized meals.

1kg carrots, stock & corriander = less than £2

I could go on but there's hundreds of cheap healthy, tasty recipes.


Soup ftw, especially in the autumn / winter - epic. Get a cheap ham hock from a butcher and boil it down for stock, pull the meat off, lentils, cumin etc, hearty stuff, and seriously cheap.

I often make my own bread, sadly that's regarded as an extreme nowadays but it's easy as piss to do, you can even knock it together on a morning, and put the dough in the fridge to rise slowly through the day, just stick it in the oven when you get in. Nothing nicer than some decent soup and a hot roll when you've cycled back in the pissing rain.

[0rang3peel]

Soup ftw, especially in the autumn / winter - epic. Get a cheap ham hock from a butcher and boil it down for stock, pull the meat off, lentils, cumin etc, hearty stuff, and seriously cheap.

I often make my own bread, sadly that's regarded as an extreme nowadays but it's easy as piss to do, you can even knock it together on a morning, and put the dough in the fridge to rise slowly through the day, just stick it in the oven when you get in. Nothing nicer than some decent soup and a hot roll when you've cycled back in the pissing rain.

Agreed mate! I think people get put off soup too because the stuff you buy in a can is so shit compared to home made and it's a piss take because tins of soup probably cost more than making it from scratch.

Recently bought a slow cooker so I can literally chuck in a huge amount of ingredients whack it on and when I get in from work on the meat is literally falling off the bone :y:

[Ryancoyle]

Depend's on what they mean by eating healthy, I've been on a diet that consist's of chicken, vegtables and protein shake's + other few small thing's over the last six month's and I've saved an absoulute fortune.

People just need to be less lazy and look for healty good quality cheap food.

[D4MJT]

Agreed mate! I think people get put off soup too because the stuff you buy in a can is so shit compared to home made and it's a piss take because tins of soup probably cost more than making it from scratch.

Recently bought a slow cooker so I can literally chuck in a huge amount of ingredients whack it on and when I get in from work on the meat is literally falling off the bone :y:

Slow cookers are sweet, high 5.

You can buy soup veg packs from supermarkets for like £1 which have a few potatoes, carrots, half a swede etc in, easy as pie.

[D4MJT]

Depend's on what they mean by eating healthy, I've been on a diet that consist's of chicken, vegtables and protein shake's + other few small thing's over the last six month's and I've saved an absoulute fortune.

People just need to be less lazy and look for healty good quality cheap food.

That's it, when you put the effort into planning your food you'll be amazed by what you actually NEED to spend Vs. what you usually do.

Out of interest, what are people normally spending on food a month, do people even know lol?

[matt_vtr_15a]

To prove a friend wrong who also used the excuse 'eating healthy is too expensive' i budgeted myself and did a food shop to last me 2 weeks for under £50. I live on my own so it was only me eating but i lived on what you can see in the pic here and it lasted me two weeks no issues.

http://s4.postimg.org/n7qupxq3h/food_1.jpg

Now thats to a budget I eat healthy but i prefer free range eggs, fresh quality cuts of meat and fresh organic veg etc. which makes eating healthy a lot more expensive. These are two ends of the spectrum though like you can eat cheap junk or expensive junk.

You can get packs of chopped chicken from the likes of tesco that cost just £4 a kilo from tesco and should do you about 4-5 meals.

You can buy numerous assortments of vegetables from tesco for £1 a bag also that will last you around 4-5meals.

so for £5 you have 5 x chicken and veg meals sorted.

NO EXCUSES YOU LAZY FUCKS.

[D4MJT]

To prove a friend wrong who also used the excuse 'eating healthy is too expensive' i budgeted myself and did a food shop to last me 2 weeks for under £50.

Good effort.

We spend roughly £500 a month on food I reckon, but that's pretty much a luxury, I could half it and still eat healthily and well. But for £500 a month we have people round most weekends and I always cook, plus breakfast the next day etc, and meat wise we generally have Rib-Eye Aberdeen Angus Steaks in, I buy sides of Salmon, Haddock Fillets, Cod Fillets, King Prawns, Pork Escalopes, Lamb Fillets, Steak Mince, Diced Steak and Chicken Breast Fillets. So although £500 a month sounds a lot, I eat bloody well for that, I bet I'd spend the same amount if I was buying takeaways once a week and ready meals / junk stuff.

[0rang3peel]

Good effort.

We spend roughly £500 a month on food I reckon, but that's pretty much a luxury, I could half it and still eat healthily and well. But for £500 a month we have people round most weekends and I always cook, plus breakfast the next day etc, and meat wise we generally have Rib-Eye Aberdeen Angus Steaks in, I buy sides of Salmon, Haddock Fillets, Cod Fillets, King Prawns, Pork Escalopes, Lamb Fillets, Steak Mince, Diced Steak and Chicken Breast Fillets. So although £500 a month sounds a lot, I eat bloody well for that, I bet I'd spend the same amount if I was buying takeaways once a week and ready meals / junk stuff.

When's my invite, you rich bastard

[D4MJT]

When's my invite, you rich bastard

I'm old man, I don't go out clubbing and cane through £100 or so on a night out anymore.

[matt_vtr_15a]

Good effort.

We spend roughly £500 a month on food I reckon, but that's pretty much a luxury, I could half it and still eat healthily and well. But for £500 a month we have people round most weekends and I always cook, plus breakfast the next day etc, and meat wise we generally have Rib-Eye Aberdeen Angus Steaks in, I buy sides of Salmon, Haddock Fillets, Cod Fillets, King Prawns, Pork Escalopes, Lamb Fillets, Steak Mince, Diced Steak and Chicken Breast Fillets. So although £500 a month sounds a lot, I eat bloody well for that, I bet I'd spend the same amount if I was buying takeaways once a week and ready meals / junk stuff.

You're a man after my own heart.

Majority of my food bills for the month go to the local butcher, i love meat so i get him to pull me some kind of care package together comprising of a wide range of steaks, lean meats, chicken etc. and usually visit him every week.

I still live on pretty much the same stuff as the budgeted picture above shows and i'd say it costs me around £350 a month to eat healthy but with the higher quality products. I'm partial to a good steak!!

It depends how much or little you want to spend on food, i get a great deal of enjoyment from getting home from work and having a lamb shank or a nice juicy steak so i'm happy to spend a bit more money. Same with the veg etc. and it's nice to support the small local business.

[Ryancoyle]

That's it, when you put the effort into planning your food you'll be amazed by what you actually NEED to spend Vs. what you usually do.

Out of interest, what are people normally spending on food a month, do people even know lol?

I approximitley spend £80 on chicken a month, £30 on brocilli and £40 on a tub of protein so around £150 a month which is absolutly nothing.

If I wasn't eating healthy I'd be spending a lot more than that.

[Stissy]

shit food is cheap because its mass produced and packed full of additives and supplements to make cheap shit taste nice and last forever on the shelves of supermarkets

Healthy food is more expensive because its natural and there are little preservatives in them. The meat would’ve come from free range farmers, who charge a premium for their goods because it’s more expensive to run a free range farm, vs the usual meat farms where all the animals are packed in cages and fattened up.

Eating healthy is expensive compared to eating unhealthily. That’s a fact. It’s the same reason why you see people on benefits that are fucking massive, they eat cheap shit food all day and get fat because of it.

[D4MJT]

shit food is cheap because its mass produced and packed full of additives and supplements to make cheap shit taste nice and last forever on the shelves of supermarkets

Healthy food is more expensive because its natural and there are little preservatives in them. The meat would’ve come from free range farmers, who charge a premium for their goods because it’s more expensive to run a free range farm, vs the usual meat farms where all the animals are packed in cages and fattened up.

Eating healthy is expensive compared to eating unhealthily. That’s a fact. It’s the same reason why you see people on benefits that are fucking massive, they eat cheap shit food all day and get fat because of it.

I think that's a common mis-conception, and I'm going to disagree entirely.

If you want to buy free-range eggs, and organic veg from Sainsburys / Tesco / Waitrose / M&S, alongside prime cuts of meat, the likes of Aberdeen Angus 28-day matured steaks from the same supermarkets, yeah you're going to spend a fortune.

The thing is, you can easily eat healthily for far far less, by being smart with what you buy. Turkey is cheaper than chicken and it's not much different if you're spicing it up for fajita's or something. A pork shoulder is a very cheap cut of meat and will do a good few meals if you plan it. It's a lifestyle choice, and unfortunately a one that fewer people seem equipped to make thanks to a lack of education.

[0rang3peel]

Eating healthy is expensive compared to eating unhealthily. That’s a fact. It’s the same reason why you see people on benefits that are fucking massive, they eat cheap shit food all day and get fat because of it.

It's not really a fact though is it as many of the above posts show? you can eat healthy for cheap as long as you put in the effort?

[Ryancoyle]

It doe's all depend where you get your healty food from, I've had to shop around and have found that local farm shop's alway's have fruit / veg going for cheap compared to supermarket's. I have bought egg's in the past from supermarket's like Tesco / Sainsbury's etc. which usually cost's between £1 - £2 for 6, in a local farm shop close to me it cost's 10 pence per egg which is nothing.

[D4MJT]

It doe's all depend where you get your healty food from, I've had to shop around and have found that local farm shop's alway's have fruit / veg going for cheap compared to supermarket's. I have bought egg's in the past from supermarket's like Tesco / Sainsbury's etc. which usually cost's between £1 - £2 for 6, in a local farm shop close to me it cost's 10 pence per egg which is nothing.

It's like people have forgotten life before supermarkets, it's mental.

They're handy for some stuff, and occasionally late night convenience, but they're really not that cheap in the scheme of things.

[GolfJay]

Fuck "making" food. I can't be bothered with that. I just want to eat it.

I'm the pickiest eater you'll ever meet. I don't eat foreign food (Pizza, pasta, rice, currys or even sauces) I only eat "traditional" English foods. Fish/chips, chicken, burgers (American blah blah blah).

I don't eat fruit or veg (Unless with a sunday dinner)

I don't drink tap water, only properly cold water from a fridge.

There is absolutely no enjoyment in cooking or preparing food to me. I just want to eat it and carry on with whatever i'm doing.

[Hazmanscoop]

Instead of crisps make a load of flapjack, it's cheap as tits and easy as you like to make, keeps for over a week, and it's far healthier than a bag of crisps and a chocolate bar, oats ftw, slow release energy.

Snack on some cottage cheese or fruit.

It's easy and convenient not to bother. There's no point beating around the bush and trying to say it's too expensive to eat healthily but it's simply not true.

I'd say at a maximum half of my monthly food comes from a supermarket. Obesity is an issue because it's easy to buy shit cheaply, and not put the effort in, schools aren't teaching kids any useful life skills with regards to actually cooking for yourself or what is a balanced diet.

Before I met the wife and settled down, my ex's and their flatmates etc were always suprised that I could cook and prepare meals, and that was like 7-8 years ago, it's even worse now. It was pitiful how kids could end up at Uni at 18 years old and have literally no idea how to feed themselves or even look after themselves tbh.


Totally disagree with schools not teaching kids anything about cooking and diets... It's the parents showing them their bad habits that causes the problems.

Everyone is so quick to blame the education system. Parents need to get off their arse and raise THEIR kids properly.

[Brettles1986]

There is absolutely no enjoyment in cooking or preparing food to me. I just want to eat it and carry on with whatever i'm doing.

Playing on your Xbox One ... you badass!

[Brettles1986]

Totally disagree with schools not teaching kids anything about cooking and diets... It's the parents showing them their bad habits that causes the problems.

Everyone is so quick to blame the education system. Parents need to get off their arse and raise THEIR kids properly.

Agree completely. If schools had to control everything parents have a problem with in life then they may as well assume parental responsibility for every child they teach.

[0rang3peel]

Fuck "making" food. I can't be bothered with that. I just want to eat it.

I'm the pickiest eater you'll ever meet. I don't eat foreign food (Pizza, pasta, rice, currys or even sauces) I only eat "traditional" English foods. Fish/chips, chicken, burgers (American blah blah blah).

I don't eat fruit or veg (Unless with a sunday dinner)

I don't drink tap water, only properly cold water from a fridge.

There is absolutely no enjoyment in cooking or preparing food to me. I just want to eat it and carry on with whatever i'm doing.

You just sound like a spotty teenager who needs to grow up.

[D4MJT]

Totally disagree with schools not teaching kids anything about cooking and diets... It's the parents showing them their bad habits that causes the problems.

Everyone is so quick to blame the education system. Parents need to get off their arse and raise THEIR kids properly.

Vicious cycle though isn't it. Sadly we're into 2nd generation families where the parent's simply don't have these skills to pass down to their own kids.

Sad, but true.

[D4MJT]

Fuck "making" food. I can't be bothered with that. I just want to eat it.

I'm the pickiest eater you'll ever meet. I don't eat foreign food (Pizza, pasta, rice, currys or even sauces) I only eat "traditional" English foods. Fish/chips, chicken, burgers (American blah blah blah).

I don't eat fruit or veg (Unless with a sunday dinner)

I don't drink tap water, only properly cold water from a fridge.

There is absolutely no enjoyment in cooking or preparing food to me. I just want to eat it and carry on with whatever i'm doing.

You won't be alone in the fact that you get no enjoyment from cooking, I'm aware I'm fortunate in the fact that I do, but you must surely still be aware that your diet sounds horribly unhealthy. Why wouldn't you make an effort to look after yourself?

[jw1325]

Bull shit. I can buy 5kg of Chicken for £25, and that will do my lunches for a month, if not some dinners too.

Its prep- folk are lazy. You can eat cheap enough and HEALTHY.

For the person that said a 'healthy sandwich in Superdrug' lol U Wot? Thats not going to healthy. Its going to be full of carbs, salt, and absolute crap. You're probably better with the bag of chips.

[jw1325]

There is absolutely no enjoyment in cooking or preparing food to me. I just want to eat it and carry on with whatever i'm doing.

I don't particularly enjoy prepping or cooking food either, I don't even enjoy eating- but it has to be done.

The body is worth it though.

[D4MJT]

I don't particularly enjoy prepping or cooking food either, I don't even enjoy eating- but it has to be done.

The body is worth it though.

fatty

trololololol

[matt_vtr_15a]

I agree with Matt on this, schools need to educate children not the parents.

I'd dare say the majority of parents with children at school know very little about nutrition, most diets adults do rely on fads or weight loss classes where they just eat what they are told without ever learning much other than a 'points' or 'sin' system.

Whilst we can all establish healthy foods from junk it goes further than that which parents won't be able to educate their children on such as the likes of macronutrients, sodium, glycogen, insulin sensitivity which will help someone understand more about the food they eat and stand them in good stead for the rest of their life.

The best thing i did was spend some of my time researching nutrition and effects on the human body so I can manipulate my diet to suit me. Prior to this I used to eat unhealthy shit all the time or just go on a fad diet when i wanted to trim down (or just cut carbs) all of which can damage your metabolism.

Now if you have a few mins spare watch this, now i love meat so fuck ever being a vegan but this shows how much macronutrients alone can support the human body!

A 77 year old vegan bodybuilder.... (power of healthy foods) you junk eating skinny fat fucks.

http://www.peta.org/videos/jim-morris-vegan-bodybuilder-interview/

[D4MJT]

I agree with Matt on this, schools need to educate children not the parents.

Whilst I do think ultimately it's part of good, responsible parenting, I think there is a need for some form of school education currently. We have parents who have never cooked their own meals from scratch, which is ridiculous, it's the most basic human skill to be able to provide for yourself.

This should be naturally passed onto your kids. It's a bizarre situation to be in when the parents don't have the necessary skills, and schools are the obvious answer to my mind. There's clearly a change needed somewhere, even if quite rightly, it shouldn't be down to the schools, but the parents.

I personally find it utterly mental that people can bring up kids to the point where they leave home with no actual life skills.

The wifes mother pandered to her 2 sons every needs, the end result was a 17 year old who left to go to uni in Cardiff without being able to cook himself a meal, get up and out of bed in the morning and manage a house or wash / iron his own clothes.

Christ when I was a young'un that sort of thing was a given, part of daily life, never mind helping out with house chores.

'Youth'

[matt_vtr_15a]

I agree, there needs to be a mix of both.

My parents cooked a lot of meals and got me involved so from a young age i could fend for myself so to speak.

Soo many parents who rely on microwavable dinners or pizza they just bung in the over for 20mins etc. and don't know how to cook or feed themselves never mind their own children.

Some people are just generally fucking useless and want their arse wiping and end up living at home well into adulthood still not able to look after themselves properly.


Whilst I do think ultimately it's part of good, responsible parenting, I think there is a need for some form of school education currently. We have parents who have never cooked their own meals from scratch, which is ridiculous, it's the most basic human skill to be able to provide for yourself.

This should be naturally passed onto your kids. It's a bizarre situation to be in when the parents don't have the necessary skills, and schools are the obvious answer to my mind. There's clearly a change needed somewhere, even if quite rightly, it shouldn't be down to the schools, but the parents.

I personally find it utterly mental that people can bring up kids to the point where they leave home with no actual life skills.

The wifes mother pandered to her 2 sons every needs, the end result was a 17 year old who left to go to uni in Cardiff without being able to cook himself a meal, get up and out of bed in the morning and manage a house or wash / iron his own clothes.

Christ when I was a young'un that sort of thing was a given, part of daily life, never mind helping out with house chores.

'Youth'

[chompy]

The problem isn't healthy food is expensive.

The problem is that CONVENIENT healthy food is expensive.

[Hazmanscoop]

For those thinking about pinning the blame on the education system, i'd just like to point out that kids DO get taught about diets and healthy eating and is quite frequent in most topics within science as well as PGCE and other classes like Cookery etc.

I actually teach the kids the science... so lets not be so fast to blame education.

The amount of crap i see kids eating in the morning is foul. A full party sized bag of doritos, a 5 pack of jam donuts, a tube of pringles... the list goes on.

Its the parents, end of. They give them the money and they choose to buy shite at tesco because its on offer because their parents are way to busy to feed them a good, healthy breakfast!

[Manu]

Lidl is awesome for fruit and veg, it's as good as anywhere else and far cheaper, plus most cities have markets etc where you can pick what you want and it's cheaper than supermarkets.


I would tend to say it's actually better on top of being cheaper. People are slowly starting to realise, and all the lidls/aldis in my area are expanding in size. I did a comparison, and the big 4 came nowhere near. And other stuff such as meat, see the white gunk that comes out of their bacon, or how their meat shrinks when you cook it.


The problem is that CONVENIENT healthy food is expensive.

Sure, horse lasagna anyone. Tescos has been bleeding customers ever since, make me laugh how their profits are falling down

[0rang3peel]

For those thinking about pinning the blame on the education system, i'd just like to point out that kids DO get taught about diets and healthy eating and is quite frequent in most topics within science as well as PGCE and other classes like Cookery etc.

I actually teach the kids the science... so lets not be so fast to blame education.

The amount of crap i see kids eating in the morning is foul. A full party sized bag of doritos, a 5 pack of jam donuts, a tube of pringles... the list goes on.

Its the parents, end of. They give them the money and they choose to buy shite at tesco because its on offer because their parents are way to busy to feed them a good, healthy breakfast!

I completely agree with this, schools should provide the information about why such and such is good for you and why such and such isn't but the fundamentals should be taught by the parents.

[Manu]

that's going towards the worst part: the kids don't give a shit. I've seen some who live on mc nuggets, nutella and "juice" (that concentrated liquid shit)

[matt_vtr_15a]

For those thinking about pinning the blame on the education system, i'd just like to point out that kids DO get taught about diets and healthy eating and is quite frequent in most topics within science as well as PGCE and other classes like Cookery etc.

I actually teach the kids the science... so lets not be so fast to blame education.

The amount of crap i see kids eating in the morning is foul. A full party sized bag of doritos, a 5 pack of jam donuts, a tube of pringles... the list goes on.

Its the parents, end of. They give them the money and they choose to buy shite at tesco because its on offer because their parents are way to busy to feed them a good, healthy breakfast!

Calm down, Sir.

Every school is different, when I was at school it's not something that was addressed a great deal. I think we did one cooking lesson and we baked a pizza, in P.E theory we touched on slightly but mainly focussed on anatomy rather than nutrition. Fortunately I had good parents not something every child has.

The education system has likely got better in this area in the 8 years since I left school as poor diets (especially with growth of processed foods) have got worse and worse over the years until it's lead to Dave having a surplus of fatties to take his pick from.

Parents are the crucial factor though i agree. Some parents borderline expect the schools to raise their kids which is wrong and don't even discipline or teach their kids manners. These kids are most likely the little shits at school also with no respect for anyone.

All i'm saying is when i was at school it wasn't picked up on much at all and i do think it would be a valuable skill set for a kid to understand more about the foods they are eating and the choices they have available and to maybe even educate their parents with homework set.

Whilst parents should definitely get their kids involved with cooking etc. some never do and they just feed their kids microwavable meals. Having said that even if the kid is educated about such things it wouldn't change the parents lazy mindset.

The school menu when i was at school was fucking disgusting. Pizza, chips, burgers, turkey twirlers. Nothing but junk so there was an underlying problem at school. Hopefully this has been addressed to as it's all cheap processed shite that's easy to knock up for kids.

[D4MJT]

I completely agree with this, schools should provide the information about why such and such is good for you and why such and such isn't but the fundamentals should be taught by the parents.

I'm not disagreeing, what I'm saying is that sadly a large amount of parents aren't teaching these fundamentals, they're buying turkey twizzlers, and trays of McCain oven chips. They're buying Ben & Jerry's, and whatever else is on TV.

What's the solution to that?

Hazman, I'm not trying to berate the school system, I couldn't do your job and I don't envy the task you have, but something isn't working is it? The level of teaching at different schools varies massively as well, not all of them will be as good as yours.

The situation we find ourselves in is a new one. It's not only a case of passing down knowledge and skills to a new generation, it's working out how to re-engage and re-educate an existing generation who've allowed themselves to just not bother.

[D4MJT]

Some parents borderline expect the schools to raise their kids which is wrong and don't even discipline or teach their kids manners.

I don't want to digress too much, as this is a whole other topic in itself, but this is the core of the problem. The solution is a tricky one to identify.

I believe the cause is simple enough, we have had a welfare system in place for too long, that not only supports the needy (sometimes not well enough) but also makes it a financially viable, almost career choice for some girls to leave school and have kids as opposed to get a job and career.

In turn, you have an entire generation of kids being brought up by in essence, children themselves, with no actual life skills or experience to pass on. Worse yet, no real interest in doing so. Even with the best will in the world, that makes the jobs of people like Hazman, a very serious challenge indeed.

[Brettles1986]

Nobody has considered a childs taste for food as well though.

My mrs oldest son will eat pretty much anything but my daughter is very fussy when it comes to food. I do try and get her eating as much veg and fruit as possible but no matter how hard I try there are certain ones (most in fact when it comes to veg) that she does not like and I cannot force her to eat it.

I do try and sneak it in her food now and again as well as trying to reintroduce her to it later on down the line but that is not always successful.

It's very easy to bash being a parent but no-one has that right until they are one.

[D4MJT]

Nobody has considered a childs taste for food as well though.

My mrs oldest son will eat pretty much anything but my daughter is very fussy when it comes to food. I do try and get her eating as much veg and fruit as possible but no matter how hard I try there are certain ones (most in fact when it comes to veg) that she does not like and I cannot force her to eat it.

I do try and sneak it in her food now and again as well as trying to reintroduce her to it later on down the line but that is not always successful.

It's very easy to bash being a parent but no-one has that right until they are one.

I was a nightmare child mate. I was pretty much allergic to everything, dairy products entirely, any E numbers, preservatives, I was given a glass of coke at a birthday party once when I was about 5 and it sent me so nuts I literally ran round the house until I knocked myself out on a piano lol. I couldn't have hydrogenated vegetable oil, loads and loads of things. At about 9 years old it nearly all cleared up, but I was still a fussy eater, I never enjoyed steak until I was about 14 or 15 years old, that's when I really started trying new things properly and enjoying them.

Younger children I completely understand, and it's the parent's job here to encourage and persist with new foods, but 16-17 year olds who can't cook a basic meal for themselves if it doesn't have instructions on the back of the bag is a different issue really.

[matt_vtr_15a]

Nobody has considered a childs taste for food as well though.

My mrs oldest son will eat pretty much anything but my daughter is very fussy when it comes to food. I do try and get her eating as much veg and fruit as possible but no matter how hard I try there are certain ones (most in fact when it comes to veg) that she does not like and I cannot force her to eat it.

I do try and sneak it in her food now and again as well as trying to reintroduce her to it later on down the line but that is not always successful.

It's very easy to bash being a parent but no-one has that right until they are one.

Only bashing the obviously shit parents with zero parenting skills or interest in their kids for that matter. I don't need to be a parent to make that judgement.

Some kids are literally 'super tasters' and will hate certain foods, me and my sister were polar opposites. We had the same upbringing and I literally liked EVERYTHING and she was very fussy. That's not down to parenting it's a completely different ballpark and i'd even argue genetics.

There are some kids who are just spoilt mardy little cunts though, and their parents will just feed them junk to stop them from having a fit. Like a friend of mine as a kid would only eat nuggets and chips and only drink coca cola. Would refuse to try anything else new to know if he even liked it or not. (Shit parenting)

You're being a good parent though and trying new foods, eventually with age certain foods will become pleasant and even enjoyable same as happened with Matt and the same happened with my sister. (Although different scenarios)

[D4MJT]

We had the same upbringing and I literally liked EVERYTHING and she was very fussy.

No wonder you're such a porky bugger now.

Fatty.

[deano_123]

My wifes a teacher, I'd feel sorry for the kids if they had her teaching cookery, she struggles to make sandwiches.

[0rang3peel]

Nobody has considered a childs taste for food as well though.

My mrs oldest son will eat pretty much anything but my daughter is very fussy when it comes to food. I do try and get her eating as much veg and fruit as possible but no matter how hard I try there are certain ones (most in fact when it comes to veg) that she does not like and I cannot force her to eat it.

I do try and sneak it in her food now and again as well as trying to reintroduce her to it later on down the line but that is not always successful.

It's very easy to bash being a parent but no-one has that right until they are one.

Just make shit loads of aeroplane noises, NNNNNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM straight into the mouth

[D4MJT]

Just make shit loads of aeroplane noises, NNNNNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM straight into the mouth

Proppa lolz

[D4MJT]

My wifes a teacher, I'd feel sorry for the kids if they had her teaching cookery, she struggles to make sandwiches.

Don't you have an insanely high food bill? Does she just burn everything and start again?

[chompy]

Don't you have an insanely high food bill? Does she just burn everything and start again?

I did a shop last month that cost £330, is that insanely high?

[matt_vtr_15a]

No wonder you're such a porky bugger now.

Fatty.

That's why I was always bigger than my friends, whilst they were eating just their meals i'd be eating mine and half my sisters when my parents weren't looking.

Survival of the fittest!

[Brettles1986]

That's why I was always bigger than my friends, whilst they were eating just their meals i'd be eating mine and half my sisters when my parents weren't looking.

Survival of the fittest!

*fattest

[matt_vtr_15a]

*fattest

Or 'Matthew Two Bellies' as I was aptly called, I was a right porker until I was about 14 haha!

[Jizanthapus]

Just make shit loads of aeroplane noises, NNNNNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM straight into the mouth

lol, reminded me of this:

http://ididafunny.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/17-baby-food-trick.gif

[Brettles1986]

Or 'Matthew Two Bellies' as I was aptly called, I was a right porker until I was about 14 haha!

Did you have a year or two of being slim then because now mate not a lot has changed ;)

[deano_123]

Don't you have an insanely high food bill? Does she just burn everything and start again?

It used to be until I realized shes a frigging mong and just fills cupboards with food but doesnt touch it so it goes out of date.

Women man

[matt_vtr_15a]

Did you have a year or two of being slim then because now mate not a lot has changed ;)

Nasty!!

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/43836983.jpg

[Manu]

http://i62.tinypic.com/25gqyza.jpg

[Hazmanscoop]

Sorry lads not getting angry or anything!

Just from the schools I've worked in (4) 3 in the north east and 1 in Swindon.

Schools have a set curriculum that should be taught across the whole of the uk and is set in stone. So all schools should be teaching these key principles of good diet and cooking. I do agree that teaching does vary across the country, that's a given. But schools are policed to make sure that teachers are meeting certain standards (even though now the boundaries have become nigh on impossible to satisfy, but that's a different story...)

I also agree that when I was at school, same period as most of you, meals weren't great and these have improved I believe. It's all freshly made food and snacks are mostly fruit or lower sugar alternatives, which is good.

My main concern for society as a whole, from my experiences is that it's the whole generation applies this "quick fix" to their whole lives. It's not just healthy eating that is thrown out of the window, it's everything.

We live in such a fast paced society that people are being programmed to do as much as possible, all of the time. Known as throw away society.

You can see it in divorce rates rising, fast food culture increasing, more waste, all of the time.

People just don't look after things anymore, including themselves.

[D4MJT]

People just don't look after things anymore, including themselves.

I agree with most of your post, but that in particular is very true.

Everything's disposable isn't it?

Except it isn't.

[Hazmanscoop]

Well that's what society believes. It's a shame really.

It's horrible to think we can grow up in a world now where it seems all these children and future will grow up with grandparents who are separated?!

Just seems weird...

Everything can be fixed, it sometimes just requires more effort than getting something new.

[matt_vtr_15a]

Well that's what society believes. It's a shame really.

It's horrible to think we can grow up in a world now where it seems all these children and future will grow up with grandparents who are separated?!

Just seems weird...

Everything can be fixed, it sometimes just requires more effort than getting something new.

Both my grandparents seperated and re-married before I was born, when I was young it was fucking great at christmas and birthdaya having 4 grandmothers and 4 grandfathers...

Shit when you get older and they starr dropping like flies.

[deano_123]

I agree with most of your post, but that in particular is very true.

Everything's disposable isn't it?

Except it isn't.

thats deep, deeper than muz's belly button

[Gabbastard]

Just make shit loads of aeroplane noises, NNNNNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM straight into the mouth

I did that with my ex and she didnt mind.

She was sleeping.

[Stissy]

I think that's a common mis-conception, and I'm going to disagree entirely.

If you want to buy free-range eggs, and organic veg from Sainsburys / Tesco / Waitrose / M&S, alongside prime cuts of meat, the likes of Aberdeen Angus 28-day matured steaks from the same supermarkets, yeah you're going to spend a fortune.

The thing is, you can easily eat healthily for far far less, by being smart with what you buy. Turkey is cheaper than chicken and it's not much different if you're spicing it up for fajita's or something. A pork shoulder is a very cheap cut of meat and will do a good few meals if you plan it. It's a lifestyle choice, and unfortunately a one that fewer people seem equipped to make thanks to a lack of education.

I agree, I try to healthily when I can. When I’m shopping in the supermarket I pick healthy foods over unhealthy ones. However, I think you’re missing the point of the original post.

OP was stating that it’s much cheaper to buy unhealthy food when you’re out and about, and he’s right. At my local precinct there’s a co-op, I can go in there and spend £3.50 on a mealdeal, and get a (somewhat) healthy sandwich, a bag of fruit and an innocent smoothie, or, I can go next door to the fish and chip shop and get a small chips, battered sausage and can of Dr.Pepper for only £3. Guess what I’d rather eat.


It's not really a fact though is it as many of the above posts show? you can eat healthy for cheap as long as you put in the effort?

are you high? you just suggested people on benefits are going to put in effort.

[Brettles1986]

I agree, I try to healthily when I can. When I’m shopping in the supermarket I pick healthy foods over unhealthy ones. However, I think you’re missing the point of the original post.

OP was stating that it’s much cheaper to buy unhealthy food when you’re out and about, and he’s right. At my local precinct there’s a co-op, I can go in there and spend £3.50 on a mealdeal, and get a (somewhat) healthy sandwich, a bag of fruit and an innocent smoothie, or, I can go next door to the fish and chip shop and get a small chips, battered sausage and can of Dr.Pepper for only £3. Guess what I’d rather eat.
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He was the OP!

[matt_vtr_15a]

Are you high???

Out and about was never mentioned.



OP was stating that it’s much cheaper to buy unhealthy food when you’re out and about, and he’s right.

are you high? you just suggested people on benefits are going to put in effort.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-27225323

I'll not mince about, what a pile of shite.

If you plan your meals and buy what you need, cooking your own food and eating healthily is far cheaper than buying processed packet crap and ready meals.

The issue is that people can't be bothered to cook their own food, and taking it out of a packet and lashing it in a microwave is easier.

Benders

[Manu]

I agree, I try to healthily when I can. When I’m shopping in the supermarket I pick healthy foods over unhealthy ones. However, I think you’re missing the point of the original post.

OP was stating that it’s much cheaper to buy unhealthy food when you’re out and about, and he’s right. At my local precinct there’s a co-op, I can go in there and spend £3.50 on a mealdeal, and get a (somewhat) healthy sandwich, a bag of fruit and an innocent smoothie, or, I can go next door to the fish and chip shop and get a small chips, battered sausage and can of Dr.Pepper for only £3. Guess what I’d rather eat.


lol

A "healthy" (my arse) sandwich + bag of fruit and an innocent branded juice will always be more expensive than anything, especially when purchased from a corner shop. Besides, them smoothies contain more sugar than coke. No idea what you would rather eat.

OP is on about how it's cheaper to buy unprocessed stuff and cook your own, but people can't be bothered making the effort.

[Stissy]

Sorry boys, I'm high.

[Jizanthapus]

Sorry boys, I'm high.

I love getting high.