damn lowered suspension [Archive] - Saxperience

vtrblack

8th July 2014, 06:19

Wondering if the driving skills were more of a problem than the suspension.

Doubt it. My driving skills are alot better than my engine fixing ones lol. Been driving long enough. not to much damage. Needs a rad. Fan. Bumper hit a rock. Bend the bottom of the car though.

Manu

8th July 2014, 06:32

car's fucked then.

My driving skills are alot better .

indeed, only took you five days since purchase.

Been driving long enough

how long?

vtrblack

8th July 2014, 06:54

car's fucked then.

indeed, only took you five days since purchase.

how long?

Long enough. 18 years. Went round bend. Hit a bump. Back end slid. Next thing i know i was down a banking. Roads were wet. Couldnt do much about it. Wasnt going overly fast.
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Manu

8th July 2014, 06:59

still got to give it a bit of stick to lose it like that, unless your suspension setup was really that rubbish.

vtrblack

8th July 2014, 07:11

To be totally honest i cant remember how fast i was going. I do blame the suspension though. Been on that road 100s of times.

Jizanthapus

8th July 2014, 07:43

A bad workman blames his tools!!

So funny when people blame their car - you were driving too fast for the conditions obviously or it wouldn't have happened..

D4MJT

8th July 2014, 07:50

well clearly something was amiss, but that said, if he's bought the car off a yoof who's lowered the ream beam 410mm and wedged standard shocks in, and left the bump stops in place, there's probably not a lot that could have been done once it decided it was away.

vtrblack

8th July 2014, 07:53

A bad workman blames his tools!!

So funny when people blame their car - you were driving too fast for the conditions obviously or it wouldn't have happened..

In hindsight obviously !!! But guarenteed driving a normal car with normal suspension at the same speed it wouldnt of happpened. Live and learn as they say. Not to bothered. Just glad it didnt roll

D4MJT

8th July 2014, 07:56

Least you came out of it OK chap, they're not the most robust little things, although they do flatpack easily and fit into most overhead storage compartments.

vtrblack

8th July 2014, 07:58

Least you came out of it OK chap, they're not the most robust little things, although they do flatpack easily and fit into most overhead storage compartments.

Im fine. Stiff neck this morning though. Just didnt fancy comimg to a sudden stop from hitting something hard

Jizanthapus

8th July 2014, 08:04

Get some pics up then!!

vtrblack

8th July 2014, 08:09

Get some pics up then!!

Not alot to see. Bumpers off. 1 arch is off. Bent the frame back. Radiator is up against the down pipe. Lill have to see if i can remember my photobucked account details for pics

D4MJT

8th July 2014, 08:11

Get some pics up then!!

Of his stiffy this morning?! You fucking pervert. :homme:

Jizanthapus

8th July 2014, 08:16

I wanna see that long, stiff neck...

vtrblack

8th July 2014, 08:44

http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj563/Blower77/Mobile%20Uploads/20140708_081412.jpg ("[URL=http://s1268.photobucket.com/user/Blower77/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20140708_081412.jpg.html)

chompy

8th July 2014, 08:50

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/30590186.jpg

D4MJT

8th July 2014, 08:56

DOOSH ya cunt

Manu

8th July 2014, 10:38

To be totally honest i cant remember how fast i was going.

So you don't remember going slow then.

A bad workman blames his tools!!

this tbh. When it's wet, slow down instead of not even knowing what speed you're doing.

vtrblack

8th July 2014, 10:39

http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj563/Blower77/Mobile%20Uploads/20140708_114254.jpg ("[URL=http://s1268.photobucket.com/user/Blower77/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20140708_114254.jpg.html)

RobVT

8th July 2014, 10:53

looks repairable, should be able to fix that no problems. I would get a new rear beam and lower it to a non ridiculous amount!

D4MJT

8th July 2014, 10:55

I've taxed worse.

vtrblack

8th July 2014, 10:56

Dont look to bad. Think the rad is fine. Pipes still joined top and bottom. Fan is mangled

vtrblack

8th July 2014, 11:03

It is a bit low !!!

http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj563/Blower77/Mobile%20Uploads/20140708_121059.jpg ("[URL=http://s1268.photobucket.com/user/Blower77/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20140708_121059.jpg.html)

vtrblack

8th July 2014, 11:06

http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj563/Blower77/Mobile%20Uploads/20140703_185457.jpg ("[URL=http://s1268.photobucket.com/user/Blower77/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20140703_185457.jpg.html)

D4MJT

8th July 2014, 11:15

FUCK ME

No wonder you lost it. If that's got bumpstops in it still it's basically sat on them pmsl.

vtrblack

8th July 2014, 11:29

The way it handles i wouldnt be at all suprised it it did. Back end needs lifting 20 / 30 mill.

Prickle

8th July 2014, 11:30

No suprise really and the shitty tyres.

Jizanthapus

8th July 2014, 11:50

That's low enough to send prickle into cardiac arrest!

chompy

8th July 2014, 12:30

Surprised that even passes an MOT tbh.

vtrblack

8th July 2014, 12:36

Surprised that even passes an MOT tbh.

Might scrap or strip it

Manu

8th July 2014, 12:37

no suspension and comedy tyres, what a death trap. The front end is the least of your problems, scrap it before you kill yourself.

D4MJT

8th July 2014, 12:37

It's not even lowered, one of Dave's wenches is in the boot.

Prickle

8th July 2014, 12:40

Looking at that i would replace the beam, decent dampers all around, new droplinks, top mounts/bearings, decent springs, new lower arms the lot basically so all is new and fresh and decent tyres.

or just push it on and change cars if you can't justify it.

vtrblack

8th July 2014, 13:47

josh11490

8th July 2014, 16:42

My black saxo was probably around that low perhaps a bit more with 30mm front springs in, in the 6 months I was driving it I never give it proper shit, purely because matched with budget mismatched tyres in the damp I could end up sideways on most roundabouts lol

vtrblack

11th July 2014, 09:23

So from the pic would people say the torsion bar has been lowered to its limit. And how much should the back end be highered by. Baring in mind the front is also low

Ryancoyle

11th July 2014, 09:26

In my opinion I think it was poor driving skill's, I've alway's had lowered car's and not had this problem :homme:

vtrblack

11th July 2014, 10:22

In my opinion I think it was poor driving skill's, I've alway's had lowered car's and not had this problem :homme:

Concidering ive had scoobys and faster cars and never had a problem i know your comment is a load of bollox ;)

Jizanthapus

11th July 2014, 10:25

And wet roads. And bends on wet roads.

Concidering ive had scoobys and faster cars and never had a problem i know your comment is a load of bollox ;)

It isn't "bollox" because you were driving too fast in the wet. Which means you do have poor driving skills & judgement.

D4MJT

11th July 2014, 10:29

In my opinion I think it was poor driving skill's, I've alway's had lowered car's and not had this problem :homme:

I know you're hugely unlucky, but the sheer irony of you posting this considering how many cars you've lost to accidents made me proper lol.

Ryancoyle

11th July 2014, 10:46

I know you're hugely unlucky, but the sheer irony of you posting this considering how many cars you've lost to accidents made me proper lol.

HAHAHA, I could see through it if the accident's were my fault but I wasn't in the wrong so my driving is sport on (Well so far anyway's) :homme:

Ryancoyle

11th July 2014, 10:47

It isn't "bollox" because you were driving too fast in the wet. Which means you do have poor driving skills & judgement.

Exactly ^^ LOL

If you were a good driver you wouldn't be driving a Saxo fast in the rain on poor tyre's :y:

vtrblack

11th July 2014, 10:48

It isn't "bollox" because you were driving too fast in the wet. Which means you do have poor driving skills & judgement.

Well obviously i know going around a wet bent doing 70 is very dangerous. ( not that i was doing anywhere near that speed ) funny thing is i went back to the place where i crashed and it was hardly a bend. Not even a 11 o clock angle. Which leads me to the comment about someone saying suspension is on the bumpstops. My main downfall is i have never had a lowered car before and presumed they handled better. But obviously if the suspension dont "bounce" cos its bottomed out i think thats the main reason why the back end went as i turned front wheels into the bend. Live and learn. Could of been worse and i could of toppled it

D4MJT

11th July 2014, 10:51

my driving is sport on

Critically, I suspect you're probably nearer the truth there lol

Jizanthapus

11th July 2014, 10:58

My main downfall is i have never had a lowered car before and presumed they handled better.

So you didn't have the driving skills to handle a lowered car is what you are saying?

D4MJT

11th July 2014, 11:01

Ultimately, unless a wheel has fallen off etc and given that no other cars were involved, it basically has to be driver error, but then I don't really think you're disputing that, just saying that the circumstances potentially contributed to it.

Observations:

That car is WAY too low. Lowered cars handling better is one thing, but one with little to no suspension travel is clearly going to be compromised. My suspicions would be that the car bottomed out, stepped out and caught you unaware, given you're saying you've driven the road before and there's not much of a turn etc.

Also, previous driving experience doesn't really apply if you're in something entirely different. On the flip side you could easily say that a few years of driving scoobies has given you a false sense of security, and coming from 4wd to a fwd with suspension travel is going to be completely different.

There's little point everyone jumping on the bandwagon and suggesting your driving is crap etc though, no-one here has seen your driving or the road in question.

Experience +1, move on.

Jizanthapus

11th July 2014, 11:04

You are right, it's a bit of both.

But at the end of the day, you don't just fly off the road into a ditch going 30mph round a slight bend do you?!

D4MJT

11th July 2014, 11:10

You are right, it's a bit of both.

But at the end of the day, you don't just fly off the road into a ditch going 30mph round a slight bend do you?!

Looking at the clip of the car, and assuming it was wet, I'd say it was entirely possible, and increasingly moreso if your speed and local road knowledge meant you were completely not expecting it.

I'm not defending some random chaps hooning here, but if he's not got experience of a lowered car, been unfortunate enough to land one (excuse the pun) that's been "slammed" and then caught out by it, that's a set of circumstances that could easily befall anyone else.

D4MJT

11th July 2014, 11:12

I'll happily take the mick out of anyone, and touch wood so far I've never crashed a car. Given the amount of miles I do, and how I "enjoy" driving rather than do it as a necessity, I'd say I'd be unbelievably fortunate if I don't bend something at some point in my driving career.

At that point, I don't want to have been too "holier than thou" previously, because when and if it does eventually happen, chances are that to some extent there will always have been something I could have done differently to avoid it lol.

Unrelated, and a completely different kettle of fish, but it puts a different spin on the "static slammed" brigade doesn't it. I get it's for looks and you're not going to drive it like you would something built for performance, but the wrong place and time...

vtrblack

11th July 2014, 11:15

You are right, it's a bit of both.

But at the end of the day, you don't just fly off the road into a ditch going 30mph round a slight bend do you?!

No bollox now i was traveling through a housing estate a few days before this happened. And it had give ways in road. Im sure the back end started to slide then also. So i will be going extra careful in the rain. Had to fix and drive it for now cos the clutch in my galaxy went the day after the crash. So not having a good week with cars. 1 accident in 17 years aint a bad record. And i didnt comr from a scooby to a saxo. That would be enough for someone to top themselves haha. I had a astra before this.

chompy

11th July 2014, 11:17

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/23776732.jpg

Couldn't resist....

Jizanthapus

11th July 2014, 11:29

Ahhh, you had an Astra! So that explains the why you write like that.

vtrblack

11th July 2014, 11:32

I cant even imagine the grief i would got if i said i wasnt even wearing my seatbelt in the first post. Phwew

chompy

11th July 2014, 11:35

I cant even imagine the grief i would got if i said i wasnt even wearing my seatbelt in the first post. Phwew

Trollololol :y:

D4MJT

11th July 2014, 11:41

i didnt comr from a scooby to a saxo. That would be enough for someone to top themselves haha.

I'd say the Scooby to Astra was arguably worse haha.

My neighbour has a Scooby, some centre diff'd import thing, it's fast, and fun.

He regularly comments on much fun my little 106 is, usually with a slightly sorrowful expression while the scooby is away for another engine rebuild :homme: