Refugees

[Heliosphan]

I see the liberals have gone into absolute overdrive when it comes to the refugee situation. A photo of a dead toddler on a beach. How absolutely disgusting to use such a picture as propaganda piecemeal. Awful.

How many people are aware that this greedy and thoughtless dickend (the father) caused the death of his kids and wife travelling from Turkey to the Greek island of Kos, having lived in Turkey for the last 3 years? Is Turkey not a safe place? This is unbelievable.

Aside from that, Viktor Orban, Hungarian PM, had this to say:

“Now we talk about hundreds of thousands but next year we will talk about millions and there is no end to this...All of a sudden we will see that we are in the minority in our own continent,” he said, urging Europe to "show strength in protecting our borders”.

What a stark and welcome contrast to the pathetic rhetoric issued by some of our other lily-livered European leaders.

To be honest, I doubt white europeans will be minoritised soon but you should see the point being made here. What sort of legacy are our 'enlightened liberals' going to leave for our great grandchildren? And will our descendents thank us for creating the ever growing multicultural love-party in the Uk?

Catching a glimpse of the news this evening, and potentially a window of the future, I see hundreds of marauding 'refugees' throwing stones at police, charging down streets, chanting god knows what and generally bringing their third-world ways to the streets of Europe. It doesn't bode particularly well, does it.

Personally, I can't wait until we settle several thousand of these people in the Uk...

[Manu]

Certainly shows how far the Daily Fail and other sunny rags will go in order to sell their hate filled propaganda bullshit. And how they sadly succeed. Weird how they stopped using the word "immigrant" and replaced it with "refugee" overnight.

And that hungarian guy is also full of shit, with actions put in place echoing what the nazis did during WW2. He has no problems having his own country's workforce emigrating towards UK's jobs black market, while sowing the seeds of immigration fears, as if they would overtake countries and jobs. Bulllllshieeeeht Sherlock.

How many people are aware that this greedy and thoughtless dickend (the father) caused the death of his kids and wife travelling from Turkey to the Greek island of Kos, having lived in Turkey for the last 3 years? Is Turkey not a safe place? This is unbelievable.

I had a Turkish girlfriend for some time, and met some of her friends. You wouldn't believe how backwards these people get if you're not a born and bred muslim Turk. One of her friends' husband once said I wasn't welcome in his house because I wasn't a muslim. So I asked the guy why was my money welcome in his kebab joint, he did not have an answer to that. Apparently money gives you a temporary infidel multipass.

Obviously, you never had to make the choice to find out whether sea is safer than land.

This whole lot of problems started at the end of the 70s, when the USA overthrown the shah of Iran and put some "democratic" (loose term) geezer in charge instead. It didn't work out too well. Then they armed and trained the middle east talibans and other extremists in the 80s. Then they went to give a slice of democracy warfare in the middle East throughout the 90s and 00s. Oil and money is behind it all, shit started hitting the fan again as soon as they pulled out of Irak, that was, as soon as the oil assets were controlled by halliburton. That's when isis started stirring shit and firing guns. The irony is, Saddam Hussein had a grasp and hold on these cunts and they started the race to the throne as soon as he was gone. During the middle east war, it is estimated that 12 million children died.


Check your history instead of copy pasting the rags you read and spouting out that thinly veiled ukip fear mongering faggottry paranoia bullshit, the result is what we are seeing now. A child washed ashore on a beach (but also his brother and mother) who died because he had a dinghy ride without a safety jacket instead of a ferry ticket.

[stevo67]

What makes this sad situation even worse is that the uk is 4k refugees,but at the same time our own people has faced cuts in the welfare budget & been forced to use food banks.I'm not talking about the scroungers but genuine people,now some of these refugees will use the benefits system & in many cases receive more than us,some refugees will go into the very low pay sector.This is the key employers in the uk would rather employ thousands on a low income than employ British workers on a living wage.

[Gabbastard]

All trying to escape a conflict the CIA/USA once again had an oar in, making an existing situation much worse.

[stevo67]

I agree the meddling of west in middle east politics ie the killing of saddam & Gaddafi has gone a long way to letting isis etc become strong.

[L33h]

I just don't like the fact that they've used the picture of the dead child to try and turn us all around into welcoming thousands of people into the country. Its shocking in my eyes.

Plus, if we're letting thousands of them in. How easy will it be for one of them isis motherfuckers to get into our country?

I think this is going to get a lot worse tbh. They're all running for a reason. I really do believe that this will all end in a fully blown war.

[0rang3peel]

I was talking about this earlier actually, it's incredible how the mindset of everyone has gone from "get them out, we're locking down our borders" to "let them in, they're just humans"
cameron obviously failed at lowering migration statistics and will somehow attempt to swing it as a triumph for britain & humanity.

political agendas aside, I can't see why any genuine refugee shouldn't be welcomed, it's nice to see germany leading the way.

[nuttysaxo]

This is mostly a bunch of healthy young men as I can see running away from their countries , can you imagine every time the British were in a crisis that all the men bottled it and ran away ! , no they stood and fought to preserve the borders and what we have is a freedom ( to a certain degree ) . I feel sorry for the women and children who have a bunch of wimps pissing their pants when the shit hits the fan ! .
I might get slated for my words but its the truth ! .

[0rang3peel]

This is mostly a bunch of healthy young men as I can see running away from their countries , can you imagine every time the British were in a crisis that all the men bottled it and ran away ! , no they stood and fought to preserve the borders and what we have is a freedom ( to a certain degree ) . I feel sorry for the women and children who have a bunch of wimps pissing their pants when the shit hits the fan ! .
I might get slated for my words but its the truth ! .

Yes that's the solution to the countries civil war. Men need to man up.

You've cracked it.

[L33h]

I imagine its hard to fight people who have ak47s when you have nothing but a pair of sandals and a potato gun

[nuttysaxo]

The reason why its gone to shit is because they have given up ! and believe it or not it will happen here if we lose faith too , I ain't a hero but sometimes you just have to say enough is enough and stand your ground no matter what , where do we go if it happens ? .

[Heliosphan]

I had a Turkish girlfriend for some time, and met some of her friends. You wouldn't believe how backwards these people get if you're not a born and bred muslim Turk. One of her friends' husband once said I wasn't welcome in his house because I wasn't a muslim. So I asked the guy why was my money welcome in his kebab joint, he did not have an answer to that. Apparently money gives you a temporary infidel multipass.

But this guy is from a similar culture and despite being Kurdish, I would imagine he would fit in just fine, living with millions of other kurds in a safe country like Turkey. What exactly is he seeking refuge from? He's been in Turkey for THREE YEARS and then suddenly decides to gamble the lives of his wife and kids. This guy is no refugee, he's an economic migrant.

This whole lot of problems started at the end of the 70s, when the USA overthrown the shah of Iran and put some "democratic" (loose term) geezer in charge instead. It didn't work out too well. Then they armed and trained the middle east talibans and other extremists in the 80s. Then they went to give a slice of democracy warfare in the middle East throughout the 90s and 00s. Oil and money is behind it all, shit started hitting the fan again as soon as they pulled out of Irak, that was, as soon as the oil assets were controlled by halliburton. That's when isis started stirring shit and firing guns. The irony is, Saddam Hussein had a grasp and hold on these cunts and they started the race to the throne as soon as he was gone. During the middle east war, it is estimated that 12 million children died.


You think the Shah of Iran was overthrown by the USA in the late 70s and then they put some democratic 'geezer' in place? Really? The Shah departed because there was an Islamic revolution in the country, partly due to the pro-Western government. It culminated in the creation of a theocratic state: The Islamic State Of Iran. Virulently anti-Western and run under a strict regime of sharia law, not at all democratic or even loosely democratic as you put it. And even more bizarre you think this started in the 70s. The Middle East has been riven by cultural and religious tensions for decades, particularly since the Ottoman empire broke up 100 years ago which later saw the land carved up by western powers and dictatorships established, internal religious conflict, poverty, wars, the rise of Islamism, lack of democracy, the Arab spring and so on.

So yes, the West have had a hand in creating the mess in the middle east but so has corruption, religion and cultural backwardness amongst its inhabitants; the type of people you're happy to see in Europe, in huge numbers.

How many refugees have the United States taken? How many refugees have rich Arab gulf states, like Qatar taken? Perhaps you'll only be happy when Europe is designated the refugee dumping ground of the world...after all, it's all our fault isn't it?



A child washed ashore on a beach (but also his brother and mother) who died because he had a dinghy ride without a safety jacket instead of a ferry ticket.

And?

Point being, do we need pictures of a dead child, face down in the water? What on earth do people think has been happening to 1000s of other refugees in the Med over the last 3 years or so? Clearly, the picture has been necessary in order to soften public opinion and pave the way for a big influx of newcomers. So how many should we accept? 10,000? And when more turn up in southern Europe, how many then? At what point will you turn round and say enough is enough?

Anyhow, what could possibly go wrong in inviting anyone and everyone to the Uk? Shall I post up an equally emotive picture of Lee Rigby being slaughtered or how about a London bus with it's roof blown off to remind you?

[0rang3peel]

The reason why its gone to shit is because they have given up ! and believe it or not it will happen here if we lose faith too , I ain't a hero but sometimes you just have to say enough is enough and stand your ground no matter what , where do we go if it happens ? .


Stand your ground against what?

If you take syria for example, they are civilians caught in the middle of a civil war between assad and his regime, armed to the teeth by putin and hundreds of various groups of trying to oust him.. chuck isis in the mix too as while all this is going on they have gained a lot of territory. These people that should 'stand their ground' do not have a political agenda, so what do you think they should do?

Where do we go if it happens? Well according to you we should just 'stand our ground no matter what'.

[nuttysaxo]

Stand your ground against what?

If you take syria for example, they are civilians caught in the middle of a civil war between assad and his regime, armed to the teeth by putin and hundreds of various groups of trying to oust him.. chuck isis in the mix too as while all this is going on they have gained a lot of territory. These people that should 'stand their ground' do not have a political agenda, so what do you think they should do?

Where do we go if it happens? Well according to you we should just 'stand our ground no matter what'.

Hello mate .
I won't get into a big debate over this , as you know that is if you live in a big town possibly that England is going to shit ! . there is no cohesion at all and there are people here that should go to traitors gate for their hatred towards this country , jews christians and minorities are not safe in certain areas now and I am saying this come here if you want to be part of it , but dont come here with agendas and hang ups , I want my children to be safe because my grandfather and probably your great grandfather fought to preserve freedom for us , that is all I have to say .
Cheers

[stevo67]

How long before the first Isis cell is found amongst the genuine refugees?

[L33h]

How long before the first Isis cell is found amongst the genuine refugees?

Not long. It's inevitable.

[0rang3peel]

Hello mate .
I won't get into a big debate over this , as you know that is if you live in a big town possibly that England is going to shit ! . there is no cohesion at all and there are people here that should go to traitors gate for their hatred towards this country , jews christians and minorities are not safe in certain areas now and I am saying this come here if you want to be part of it , but dont come here with agendas and hang ups , I want my children to be safe because my grandfather and probably your great grandfather fought to preserve freedom for us , that is all I have to say .
Cheers

I agree with all of that, I just think that some of your other posts make little or no sense.

How long before the first Isis cell is found amongst the genuine refugees?

That could well happen but generally terrorists are well funded, as we know there's already loads over here, so posing as refugees and mixing with refugees surely serves them little or no purpose, refugees have to go through the immigration process but a well funded terrorist could skip this completely.

[Manu]

But this guy is from a similar culture and despite being Kurdish, I would imagine he would fit in just fine, living with millions of other kurds in a safe country like Turkey. What exactly is he seeking refuge from? He's been in Turkey for THREE YEARS and then suddenly decides to gamble the lives of his wife and kids. This guy is no refugee, he's an economic migrant.



You think the Shah of Iran was overthrown by the USA in the late 70s and then they put some democratic 'geezer' in place? Really? The Shah departed because there was an Islamic revolution in the country, partly due to the pro-Western government. It culminated in the creation of a theocratic state: The Islamic State Of Iran. Virulently anti-Western and run under a strict regime of sharia law, not at all democratic or even loosely democratic as you put it. And even more bizarre you think this started in the 70s. The Middle East has been riven by cultural and religious tensions for decades, particularly since the Ottoman empire broke up 100 years ago which later saw the land carved up by western powers and dictatorships established, internal religious conflict, poverty, wars, the rise of Islamism, lack of democracy, the Arab spring and so on.

So yes, the West have had a hand in creating the mess in the middle east but so has corruption, religion and cultural backwardness amongst its inhabitants; the type of people you're happy to see in Europe, in huge numbers.

How many refugees have the United States taken? How many refugees have rich Arab gulf states, like Qatar taken? Perhaps you'll only be happy when Europe is designated the refugee dumping ground of the world...after all, it's all our fault isn't it?




And?

Point being, do we need pictures of a dead child, face down in the water? What on earth do people think has been happening to 1000s of other refugees in the Med over the last 3 years or so? Clearly, the picture has been necessary in order to soften public opinion and pave the way for a big influx of newcomers. So how many should we accept? 10,000? And when more turn up in southern Europe, how many then? At what point will you turn round and say enough is enough?

Anyhow, what could possibly go wrong in inviting anyone and everyone to the Uk? Shall I post up an equally emotive picture of Lee Rigby being slaughtered or how about a London bus with it's roof blown off to remind you?

Jeez I thought I was reading the daily mail comments for a minute. OK nevermind, let's just tell them to turn around and die, preferably away from cameras. So you can safely forget about your worst fears of invasions and terrorism.

[Stissy]

A photo of a dead toddler on a beach. How absolutely disgusting to use such a picture as propaganda piecemeal. Awful.

I saw that shit on facebook. Who the fuck wants to scroll through their newsfeed and see a picture of a dead child on a beach? No morals. The world is going mad.

[Heliosphan]

Jeez I thought I was reading the daily mail comments for a minute. OK nevermind, let's just tell them to turn around and die, preferably away from cameras. So you can safely forget about your worst fears of invasions and terrorism.

Because anyone who has concerns with who enters the Uk simply must read the Daily Mail, right? Dear oh dear, grow up.

I haven't said we shouldn't take any, I'm saying it should be a sensible amount and not a knee-jerk reaction to a dead child on a beach.

David Cameron announced yesterday we'll be taking 20,000 over a 5 year period. Providing it isn't revised, I think that's a good outcome for this country.

[deano_123]

20,000 is a token gesture really isnt it out of a minimum of 3 million from Syria alone.

I've spent the last 4 years in Kurdistan and refugee camps have been popping up regularly since the Syria civil war started, they are enormous and the Kurd's just get on with it supported by aid charities as well as private companies just trying to help. Perhaps we should be a little more understanding and accomodating of those less fortunate than ourselves.

[L33h]

I saw that shit on facebook. Who the fuck wants to scroll through their newsfeed and see a picture of a dead child on a beach? No morals. The world is going mad.

That's why they posted it. To try and shock people into thinking it's acceptable to let thousands of people in

[KamRacing]

Lets put that in perspective a little bit. The UK population total is 65 million. I think we can take a few hundred thousand Syrians and not notice any difference....

[Brettles1986]

I have sympathy for those that are in these situations but at the same time I can't help but adopt the 'help our own first' attitude. We have children living in poverty, homelessness and a housing crisis.

The demand for housing seriously outstrips demand (source: Mrs works for a housing charity) and giving these houses to these refugees instead of our own will really upset the apple cart.

I do however think that the way in which our government has decided to approach it is the best one, taking them from the camps and prioritizing orphaned children.

[Stissy]

That's why they posted it. To try and shock people into thinking it's acceptable to let thousands of people in

I understand that, but it’s completely fucked up. It actually really annoys me because I could’ve had my 11 year old cousin next to me whilst I was casually browsing facebook, and then a dead child comes up…

What’s wrong with these people? If anything it’s only going to make me hate the media rather than the troubles in whatever country it is.

[L33h]

I understand that, but it’s completely fucked up. It actually really annoys me because I could’ve had my 11 year old cousin next to me whilst I was casually browsing facebook, and then a dead child comes up…

What’s wrong with these people? If anything it’s only going to make me hate the media rather than the troubles in whatever country it is.

Yea its a joke init. These things should not be allowed on facebook! They even let the videos of the be-headings on there too

[ESD1711]

I have sympathy for those that are in these situations but at the same time I can't help but adopt the 'help our own first' attitude. We have children living in poverty, homelessness and a housing crisis.

The demand for housing seriously outstrips demand (source: Mrs works for a housing charity) and giving these houses to these refugees instead of our own will really upset the apple cart.

I do however think that the way in which our government has decided to approach it is the best one, taking them from the camps and prioritizing orphaned children.

I think this is pretty much where i'm at as well.

Have seen a lot of folk this last week or so making reference to 'having a duty to help others' - but where was this 'duty' before the current crisis?!?

We have tens of thousands of people in need in our own country - living on the streets or in slum conditions or in poverty....... if people have a 'duty' to help others, then why haven't they done anything to help those on their own doorstep?

If I had been long term homeless or living in need in this country for a long long time - I cant help but think it would feel like a bit of a kick in the teeth to hear the talk of politicians opening up their doors and spare rooms to Syrian refugees.

All that said, if we are going to do it - then the proposed way of taking straight from the camps is the best way for sure.

[KamRacing]

who's opening their wallets and giving to charities who help people in the UK? Not enough sadly....

[Stissy]

who's opening their wallets and giving to charities who help people in the UK? Not enough sadly....

bI do a lot of charity work in my spare time. I regularly participate in local events and support others in theirs. Me and a friend raised a couple of grand for Cancer Research UK and Leukaemia & Lymphoma Research by doing charity calendars. I organised a charity bikini car wash in support of Help for Heroes. Next month I’m doing the Sober for October challenge in support of Macmillan – to which none of Saxp have donated towards because you’re all tight bastards ;) (http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=471007&page=3). I do this in support of UK charities, but stuff like this makes me feel guilty because I can’t support those overseas. So I get pictures of dead kids rammed in my face until I do.

[Brettles1986]

who's opening their wallets and giving to charities who help people in the UK? Not enough sadly....

My mrs donates loads of money to animal charities.

She openly admits she values the life of an animal over people generally.

[stevo67]

With a housing crisis in the uk,where and how the feck are these refugees going to live?surely the won't take priority over our people?This has nothing to do with helping refugees but more to do with making the tories look good,knowone will accept that we don't know how many people we have living in this country.

[stevo67]

My mrs donates loads of money to animal charities.

She openly admits she values the life of an animal over people generally.

I completely agree with the last statement,no animal has ever lied cheated or stolen from me.:drink:

[AXracing]

The reason why its gone to shit is because they have given up ! and believe it or not it will happen here if we lose faith too , I ain't a hero but sometimes you just have to say enough is enough and stand your ground no matter what , where do we go if it happens ? .

Sadly this is true. If the good stay silent only the evil is heard.

[AXracing]

who's opening their wallets and giving to charities who help people in the UK? Not enough sadly....

The old adage is as true as ever. Charity starts at home. Though it looks like many people are loosing sight of reality.

[Heliosphan]

Lets put that in perspective a little bit. The UK population total is 65 million. I think we can take a few hundred thousand Syrians and not notice any difference....

Said with a breathtaking flippancy.

Lets just add them to the several hundred thousand net migrants who arrived last year, as well as the thousands of others who arrived before that, each and every year. Thank goodness the Tories are adopting a common sense approach to this, as opposed to the cry-baby mentality almost every section of the media are exibiting.

So do we just take a few hundred thousand and hope for the best, like Germany? Do we just continue to take thousands of people (both refugees and immigrants) from inferior and less civilised cultures?

More specifically, does it occur to you that liberal attitudes such as yours, might, at some future point, end up biting future generations on the arse?

[Manu]

from inferior and less civilised cultures?


http://ep1.pinkbike.org/p4pb4298739/p4pb4298739.jpg

[stevo67]

Said with a breathtaking flippancy.

Lets just add them to the several hundred thousand net migrants who arrived last year, as well as the thousands of others who arrived before that, each and every year. Thank goodness the Tories are adopting a common sense approach to this, as opposed to the cry-baby mentality almost every section of the media are exibiting.

So do we just take a few hundred thousand and hope for the best, like Germany? Do we just continue to take thousands of people (both refugees and immigrants) from inferior and less civilised cultures?

More specifically, does it occur to you that liberal attitudes such as yours, might, at some future point, end up biting future generations on the arse?
It already has knowone can say that racial intergration has been a resounding success.:drink:

[nuttysaxo]

Watch this link if it works ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny01rKV35tQ

[Manu]

1,300,000 Britons live in Australia; 761,000 in Spain; 678,000 in the USA; 603,000 in Canada; 291,000 in Ireland (11,200 of whom are drawing unemployment benefit from the Irish state), and even 8,500 in Mexico and 7,100 in Kuwait


Pot kettle black

[nuttysaxo]

Pot kettle black

Are these recent figures ? , do you know ( fact ) that Canada the USA was built on servitude " British " mainly by force to expand the Empire treating as slaves , the last of this kind of abuse run up until the early 70's , so it was no " Holidays in the sun " for the majority of the British it was wave after wave of human misery ! .

[Heliosphan]

Pot kettle black

Oh god. Are you really trying to justify MASS IMMIGRATION on the basis that some British people also live abroad? Hilarious! Let's just forget pressure on services, stagnation of wages, changing demographics and so on, i.e the things that actually matter to people.

By the way, why is the figure for Brits claiming benefits in Ireland a point of interest? At less than 4% claimants, that's a small number and especially so given that the unemployment rate in Ireland is 9%.

Talking of unemployment, have a look at graph 2 in the link below:

http://www.poverty.org.uk/47/index.shtml

A third of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis are not looking for work. Almost half are unemployed.

Where do you imagine Syrians, Afghans and Eritreans will be on the graph?

[AXracing]

I am originally from the southern hemisphere and my fiancé is from eastern Europe. I am not racist in the slightest. So I am not your typical yob against immigration. But anyone who thinks mass unvetted immigration is a good idea needs there head examined.

[Heliosphan]

I am originally from the southern hemisphere and my fiancé is from eastern Europe. I am not racist in the slightest. So I am not your typical yob against immigration. But anyone who thinks mass unvetted immigration is a good idea needs there head examined.

Agree, well said.

[0rang3peel]

What the fuck is 'unvetted' immigration?

because anyone whether a refugee or an immigrant still has to go through the home office....?

[AXracing]

What the fuck is 'unvetted' immigration?

because anyone whether a refugee or an immigrant still has to go through the home office....?

Well when most people come in to the UK from outside the EU then have to jump through hoops. You have to prove who you are backed up with substantial amount of paperwork. You have to have reputable references. You have you criminal background checked. You have to prove you have the means to survive in the UK be it funds or a job to pay and so on. Now the easiest way for a illegal to not be deported is to bring no ID. Hence the government can not prove there origen and hence they can not be deported. Hence these people are completely unvetted. The other method is to claim persecution from your government. In so again the depth of the check is not even close to that of a regular immigrant. You don't have to provide detailed background and often criminal records are unavalible or simply ignored and you do not have to prove you are willing to work. The danger is that undesirables get through with criminal intent or none workers who intention is to leach from all us workers. The statistics tend to support this as well. So for me it is very much wrong that someone like me a hard worker with a clear criminal record has to jump through hoops to get in to the UK yet a rapist who has no intention to work can simply put a foot in the UK and claim state protection. I am not against immigrants as I am one. But it should be for the good of the nation. By allowing large number of people to avoid our standard vetting will result in one thing and its not good.

[djawesome123]

I feel as though I'm a bit late to the party but for those of you who are slightly left leaning please feel free to check out a wonderful website called liveleak which shows you videos of the migrants/refugees that mainstream media, mainly of them staging large fights or violent protests in a range of European countries. In fact there is even a video where a child gets off a train and makes the beheading motion to a cameraman.

Then ask yourselves if you want any more of that over here. We have a big enough problem with migrants as it is, in large cities where they have high concentrations of foreign people they don't integrate, you barely hear a word of English and every other shop sells curry ingredients. Add to that the fact that in some areas they are trying to enforce sharia law and large groups of them are grooming white girls (plenty of news stories to back this up) and you have a growing problem.

You have to ask yourself whether you want British culture to be diluted to the point where it no longer means anything. Take that bellend Jeremy Corbyn for example who wouldn't sing the national anthem at a Battle of Britain memorial service, he actually wants us to stop fighting ISIS along with scrapping our nuclear deterrent and leaving NATO... anyone would think he was working for ISIS rather than the labour party.

I'm not surprised UKIP got 4 million votes at the last election and no doubt it will be a lot more at the next one if the situation continues.

[Manu]

Because a couple of liveleak videos must be the truth and the truth only. The video of one child making a gesture must sum up the whole situation doesn't it. Liveleak shows some women doing ghastly stuff, therefore all women must be sluts.
every other shop sells curry ingredients
the utter shock, the unbelievable horror, the doom of mankind.

scrapping our nuclear deterrent

"our"

Every time the Tories mention the "independent UK nuclear deterrent", it's important to remember that it's 66% run by US corporations as a result of the fact it was privatised in 1994.The other company involved is Serco who defrauded the taxpayer £70 million on their prisoner tagging contract and made a monumental cock-up of running the NHS out of hours service in Cornwall. Sounds like that needs scrapping so the UK can actually regain control of it's so called deterrent.

wouldn't sing the national anthem

I wouldn't sing it either as I don't believe in singing to a god I don't believe in to keep silver spoon scrounging monarchs and their families in good health, though I wouldn't mind a rendition of the Sex Pistols version. And if he had sung it, the daily mail and others would have branded him a hypocrite, as they have mastered the art of poop slinging. There are many more important things to deal with, but today, the UK's papers are stuck on a song.

http://newsthump.com/2015/09/16/everyone-furious-as-agnostic-republican-doesnt-sing-song-about-god-rescuing-a-monarch/

People across the country were left confused and frightened today after a man who isn’t a massive fan of the queen didn’t sing a song about how terrific she is.

http://i59.tinypic.com/2saiavm.jpg

While starbucks and amazon don't pay a penny. But a song is of such importance, even the immigrants weren't on the front papers today.


You have to ask yourself whether you want British culture to be diluted to the point where it no longer means anything.

I wonder where that point starts. Because England was never an empire that enslaved people, overthrown countries, killed and forced the culture upon the people. Oh wait.

[L33h]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/11872727/Islamic-terrorist-shot-dead-after-Berlin-attack-on-policewoman.html

There's the first.

[stevo67]

It's called press censorship,if the government doesn't like something that's what they do.Take the BBC the tories are threatening them they basically want a state television service.

[deano_123]

It's called press censorship,if the government doesn't like something that's what they do.Take the BBC the tories are threatening them they basically want a state television service.

I've said this many times, the media report what will shock and stir the nation. The refugee situation is becoming stale, unless the media can spin it to show they are all IS members or there is a dramatic twist it will slowly disappear just the same as the reporting and coverage of Ukraine, Libya, Iraq etc has. There has been no stoppage in the fighting/ deaths/ murders etc in these countries but it is old news now. Look at the Turkey/ PKK fighting that has only just been in the news, this 'war' has been going on for 30 years however UK media has never followed it so will push it in our faces for a few days to sell papers.

[nuttysaxo]

I hate to get involved in this but yet again I will comment .
I saw footage of Greek police opening up cases of machine guns destined for main land Europe , this stuff is being shipped in for a major kick off ! , this will bite us on the arse .

[AXracing]

I hate to get involved in this but yet again I will comment .
I saw footage of Greek police opening up cases of machine guns destined for main land Europe , this stuff is being shipped in for a major kick off ! , this will bite us on the arse .

The irony is whilst the number of illegal imported guns being found is increasing our government is imposing tighter and tighter controls on not only civilian but also police officers ability to defended them self. If any of these extreme group did go on a killing spree with automatic weapons I can imagine the number death could get in to the hundreds before anyone finally managed to stop them. We really are setting our selves up for a disaster.

[Heliosphan]

So it looks very much like the pedaling of lies and gross exploitation of a dead child by the loony left is slowly unravelling. This week, not only have we seen violence and a total disregard for European law and order (from the overwhelmingly male 'refugees' it has to be said), we now find that only around 1 in 5 of them are from Syria.

Yes, it's a Daily Mail link...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3240010/Number-refugees-arriving-Europe-soars-85-year-just-one-five-war-torn-Syria.html

Before your eyes glaze over, it's probably worth noting that the Mail are merely reporting the findings of Eurostat who are an EU statistics agency. And thank goodness the Mail have reported this, evidently you can't rely on the BBC or other lefty media to provide the full picture. In fact the BBC were busy drip-feeding the familiar style propaganda today, this time it was the image of a toddler crawling towards a police barricade somewhere. Sadly it's the kind of thing a good many gullible people will readily lap up.

I think these figures from Eurostat further highlight how well the government has handled this, not least by only taking people directly from refugee camps, prioritising the most vulnerable and keeping out those who are essentially economic migrants masquerading as refugees.

[djawesome123]

Because a couple of liveleak videos must be the truth and the truth only. The video of one child making a gesture must sum up the whole situation doesn't it. Liveleak shows some women doing ghastly stuff, therefore all women must be sluts.

Well yes actually, the media seem to think it isn't necessary to show the public what actually happens when they turn up in your country and start rioting/ fighting amongst themselves. They even looted a German supermarket the other day.

the utter shock, the unbelievable horror, the doom of mankind.

I find it genuinely sad when I see streets like that. I hate multiculturalism with a passion, what is the point in having your own country if it slowly fills up with people from another one? may as well just scrap all borders and national identities right?



"our"

Every time the Tories mention the "independent UK nuclear deterrent", it's important to remember that it's 66% run by US corporations as a result of the fact it was privatised in 1994.The other company involved is Serco who defrauded the taxpayer £70 million on their prisoner tagging contract and made a monumental cock-up of running the NHS out of hours service in Cornwall. Sounds like that needs scrapping so the UK can actually regain control of it's so called deterrent.

Can't say I disagree with the idea that the government/ army should be in charge of it. I hate big robbing corporations as much as the next man but Corbyn wants to decommission it all. Considering the fact that there is no known way of making nuclear waste non-radioactive isn't it better to keep the weapons functional and secure than having more radioactive waste to store?



I wouldn't sing it either as I don't believe in singing to a god I don't believe in to keep silver spoon scrounging monarchs and their families in good health, though I wouldn't mind a rendition of the Sex Pistols version. And if he had sung it, the daily mail and others would have branded him a hypocrite, as they have mastered the art of poop slinging. There are many more important things to deal with, but today, the UK's papers are stuck on a song.

While starbucks and amazon don't pay a penny. But a song is of such importance, even the immigrants weren't on the front papers today.


Well you obviously have no sense of national pride which is a great shame but you as an ordinary member of society have the right not to. I don't believe in god but I support a monarchy so sing along to it. What you have to realise is that he got so much stick for not singing because he represents one of the two main political parties in the country, so refusing to sing the national anthem is pretty bad on him.


I wonder where that point starts. Because England was never an empire that enslaved people, overthrown countries, killed and forced the culture upon the people. Oh wait.
I'm quite proud of our former empire actually, we accomplished many things when we didn't have a bunch of squabbling apologists running our affairs. I just hate seeing England having to brown nose the USA and the EU and being shackled to all the bullshit that comes with it

[Manu]

Well yes actually, the media seem to think it isn't necessary to show the public what actually happens when they turn up in your country and start rioting/ fighting amongst themselves. They even looted a German supermarket the other day.


Feels like I'm reading the daily mail comments now. I pity you. Last time we had riots in this country, it was a wave of pure breed chavs nicking televisions from argos shops.


I find it genuinely sad when I see streets like that. I hate multiculturalism with a passion, what is the point in having your own country if it slowly fills up with people from another one? may as well just scrap all borders and national identities right?

Makes you sad to see shops selling curry? Stay indoors then because all shops do, and realise: your pasta is italian, your phone and tv are chinese, your shoes are made in vietnam, your car is french etc etc etc. scrap borders on an island, lol good one. Scrap identities, never said that. Going from one extreme to another doesn't make a point.







Can't say I disagree with the idea that the government/ army should be in charge of it. I hate big robbing corporations as much as the next man but Corbyn wants to decommission it all. Considering the fact that there is no known way of making nuclear waste non-radioactive isn't it better to keep the weapons functional and secure than having more radioactive waste to store?


that one went straight over your head. Yeah scrap the crooked cunts and start over, this is exactly what needs to be done. Your logic is because some material has a half life of two million years, we should maintain those weapons until the material used becomes non radioactive? I clap in your general direction. Then Iran keeps making weapons because we do, then the French make more because iran has some, then Northkorea does, then the USA get back in because of NK, and we're all back to square one running in circles with the power to blow up the planet 3 times over.



Well you obviously have no sense of national pride which is a great shame but you as an ordinary member of society have the right not to. I don't believe in god but I support a monarchy so sing along to it. What you have to realise is that he got so much stick for not singing because he represents one of the two main political parties in the country, so refusing to sing the national anthem is pretty bad on him

He stood silent in respect for the fallen, exactly like it should have been. If he had sung, all the tabloids woud have called him a hypocrit of a republican. See, as an atheist republican, why would you sing to some deity and a monarch. Makes no sense does it, so being flagged off for it must make sense for someone. Because it sells papers.

I'm quite proud of our former empire actually, we accomplished many things when we didn't have a bunch of squabbling apologists running our affairs. I just hate seeing England having to brown nose the USA and the EU and being shackled to all the bullshit that comes with it

I'm proud too, especially the blair (and his bush mates) period that did contribute greatly to what we see now.

[0rang3peel]

I find it genuinely sad when I see streets like that. I hate multiculturalism with a passion, what is the point in having your own country if it slowly fills up with people from another one? may as well just scrap all borders and national identities right?

I'm quite proud of our former empire actually, we accomplished many things when we didn't have a bunch of squabbling apologists running our affairs. I just hate seeing England having to brown nose the USA and the EU and being shackled to all the bullshit that comes with it

You think that purely because of where you were born, you're entitled to a basic quality of life where as someone born somewhere else isn't.

Proud of us wiping out and colonising a huge amount of the world but you hate multiculturalism?

:wall:

[Manu]

he comes up as a bit of a paradoxal numpty indeed. Mind you he's proud of it all, I guess that encompasses that he's proud of queen Victoria making curry foodstuffs fashionable, while she had an all Indian staff. I wonder if they would sing the queen song to god they didn't believe in either.

[AXracing]

There is nothing wrong with being defensive of your culture. It is actually a good thing or we would all end up being pushed about by fascist dictatorships.

[djawesome123]

Feels like I'm reading the daily mail comments now. I pity you. Last time we had riots in this country, it was a wave of pure breed chavs nicking televisions from argos shops.

Wrong. There were an awful lot of 2nd 3rd or 4th generation blacks doing it because some black drug dealer got shot. The chavs just thought it would be great fun to tag along. Also the last time we had riots it was blacks involved there too funnily enough.

OBVIOULY not all blacks behave like that but you can't argue the facts (waits to be called a racist anyway)


Makes you sad to see shops selling curry? Stay indoors then because all shops do, and realise: your pasta is italian, your phone and tv are chinese, your shoes are made in vietnam, your car is french etc etc etc. scrap borders on an island, lol good one. Scrap identities, never said that. Going from one extreme to another doesn't make a point.

I don't have a problem with one or two but certain areas (mainly in inner cities) have built up a huge majority of foreign population which is not good. They don't put much effort into integrating and an awful lot cant even speak basic English (goes for eastern europeans as well). Having one or two shops out of a row is one thing but when ten/ twenty or more build up it stops becoming British, just take a trip round Luton on google streetview (safer that way).

Comparing people to products is pointless because that situation has no bearing on the cultural identity of a nation, and FYI my landrover is very much a British car :drink:

that one went straight over your head. Yeah scrap the crooked cunts and start over, this is exactly what needs to be done. Your logic is because some material has a half life of two million years, we should maintain those weapons until the material used becomes non radioactive? I clap in your general direction. Then Iran keeps making weapons because we do, then the French make more because iran has some, then Northkorea does, then the USA get back in because of NK, and we're all back to square one running in circles with the power to blow up the planet 3 times over.

You are also missing the point. If you don't agree with having a nuclear deterrent what do you propose we do with the nuclear weapons? either they get maintained and stored or we have to scrap them and store the waste, which is more hazardous. Whatever we do countries like Iran and North Korea will keep making them regardless.

You imagine putting down your fists in the middle of a fight? chances are you're just going to get hit a lot harder because you have nothing to fight back with. The whole point of the deterrent is to put people off ever using them due to the mutually assured destruction.


He stood silent in respect for the fallen, exactly like it should have been. If he had sung, all the tabloids woud have called him a hypocrit of a republican. See, as an atheist republican, why would you sing to some deity and a monarch. Makes no sense does it, so being flagged off for it must make sense for someone. Because it sells papers.

Regardless of why he did it, it hasn't done his party any favours because a lot of the labour demographic are no way near that left wing. He only got in because all the green party nutters could buy votes....

Personally I find it disrespectful, you have the silence held as well but remember all of our fallen still fought and died for king/ queen and country - you swear an oath of allegiance to god and the queen upon joining the army.

I'm proud too, especially the blair (and his bush mates) period that did contribute greatly to what we see now.

It's purely bacause they didn't have the balls or public support to finish what they started. You can't half do a job, our troops should have been stationed out there a lot longer to stabilise the region rather than being pulled out because of a few whinging hippies

[djawesome123]

he comes up as a bit of a paradoxal numpty indeed. Mind you he's proud of it all, I guess that encompasses that he's proud of queen Victoria making curry foodstuffs fashionable, while she had an all Indian staff. I wonder if they would sing the queen song to god they didn't believe in either.

I wonder if you actually researched any of that, or have you ever been to India? I have....

There is still a large percentage of the Indian population who are thankful for what the British Empire gave to India (Democracy, a proper law system, A train network that is still in use today, medicines etc etc etc)

I was very popular as a white Englishman out there and even in remote village people would come running up to you asking if you had met the queen, wanted to play cricket or which English football club you supported.

I can't tell you specifically if Queen Victoria's servants sang but I would Imagine since they would have viewed the job as a great honour to them that they probably would have done.

[djawesome123]

You think that purely because of where you were born, you're entitled to a basic quality of life where as someone born somewhere else isn't.

Proud of us wiping out and colonising a huge amount of the world but you hate multiculturalism?

:wall:

We aren't entitled to anything but our ancestors worked hard for it:y:

Just remind me again which "huge" amount of the world we wiped out?:homme:

[0rang3peel]

If you don't agree with having a nuclear deterrent what do you propose we do with the nuclear weapons? either they get maintained and stored or we have to scrap them and store the waste, which is more hazardous. Whatever we do countries like Iran and North Korea will keep making them regardless.

You imagine putting down your fists in the middle of a fight? chances are you're just going to get hit a lot harder because you have nothing to fight back with. The whole point of the deterrent is to put people off ever using them due to the mutually assured destruction.



Why are you even using that as a point? The nuclear weapons would be decommissioned and stored in glass underground in the same fashion that we do now for all our nuclear waste, the amount of waste it would create is such a small amount compared to the nuclear waste we generate anyway from other nuclear industries ie power it's not even worth mentioning.

They call it a nuclear deterrent but really our main deterrent is being in a very close alliance with the largest superpower in the world, that in itself is enough of a deterrent is it not?

Maintaining a nuclear deterrent shouldn't be a priority in a country facing so many financial difficulties with public services etc. Fairplay to corbyn, I read today he wants to renationalise the railways, good money spent on something decent.

[AXracing]

Maintaining a nuclear deterrent shouldn't be a priority in a country facing so many financial difficulties with public services etc. Fairplay to corbyn, I read today he wants to renationalise the railways, good money spent on something decent.

This one is actually a hard one. Because our alliance with any nation is not indefinite. Even if it was there is still many reasons you can justify the need for such a deterrent of our own. The big thing you have to understand is that the UK has a very high arms forces budget for its size. In so it gives us much greater political leverage. Arguably nuclear weapons actually represent great value in this aspect. So potentially many of the arguments for removing our nuclear deterrent are the same we can use for widespread disarmament. If you go down this road you tread on very dangerous ground. In so I am much happer that my tax money is going in to defence. I am far happyer that than it going in to alcohol, tobacco related medical care or going towards professional unemployed. I would much rather see those budgets cut before I saw the defence budget cut.

[0rang3peel]

This one is actually a hard one. Because our alliance with any nation is not indefinite. Even if it was there is still many reasons you can justify the need for such a deterrent of our own. The big thing you have to understand is that the UK has a very high arms forces budget for its size. In so it gives us much greater political leverage. Arguably nuclear weapons actually represent great value in this aspect. So potentially many of the arguments for removing our nuclear deterrent are the same we can use for widespread disarmament. If you go down this road you tread on very dangerous ground. In so I am much happer that my tax money is going in to defence. I am far happyer that than it going in to alcohol, tobacco related medical care or going towards professional unemployed. I would much rather see those budgets cut before I saw the defence budget cut.

It is as you said indefinite, however let's be honest political relations are not going to become strained anytime soon with America. Our forces are already a grain of what they once were.

You're happy to pay money into the defence budget but do we really need a nuclear deterrent? The risk of nuclear attack is so small in comparison with other attacks that are infact highly likely, just my opinion but the money could be better spent on getting our industries, public services etc etc back on track because they are an embarrassment.

[stevo67]

Although I don't agree with all of what Jeremy Corbyn has to say,his idea of re-nationalising the railways is a good one.Investing in apprenticeships for young people ,help for disabled people looking to get back into work would be good as well.

[djawesome123]

Although I don't agree with all of what Jeremy Corbyn has to say,his idea of re-nationalising the railways is a good one.Investing in apprenticeships for young people ,help for disabled people looking to get back into work would be good as well.

Hate to admit it but yeah they are a pretty good idea. As for the saving money by not having a nuclear deterrent how about scrapping foreign aid? In 2013 we spent £11.7 BILLION that's right, 11.7 billion :panic:.

That money could have been put towards housing Britains homeless, topping up the defence budget so our forces have the kit they need to stay safe, investing in more provisions for the elderly/ disabled but instead it all gets sent abroad.

You wouldn't keep giving money to charity if you had important things to sort out at home, so why does our country?

[Manu]

http://metro.co.uk/2015/09/21/heres-how-politicians-reacted-to-david-camerons-piggate-5400688/?ito=facebook

quick one for all those who had hurt feelings and substantial booboos because of a song not sung, try today's news: Prime sinister skull fucked a dead pig while at uni. How's that for measure...

[Ross]

http://metro.co.uk/2015/09/21/heres-how-politicians-reacted-to-david-camerons-piggate-5400688/?ito=facebook

quick one for all those who had hurt feelings and substantial booboos because of a song not sung, try today's news: Prime sinister skull fucked a dead pig while at uni. How's that for measure...

Let's face it, we've all been there.

[deano_123]

Let's face it, we've all been there.

Sometimes I'm still there

[Ross]

Sometimes I'm still there

That's what being in the Middle East for a while does to a man. :/

[beanhead]

We aren't entitled to anything but our ancestors worked hard for it:y:

Just remind me again which "huge" amount of the world we wiped out?:homme:

Native americans
Aborigines
New Zealand
Native Canadians

[djawesome123]

According to recent census information there are still:
2.8 million Native Americans
517,000 Aborigines
763,000 Maoris (New Zealand)
1.4 million Native Canadians

So no, they were not wiped out

[Manu]

Let's play pedantics then. There are about 200 white tigers and 40 amur leopards left in the world, so they were not wiped out.

[djawesome123]

Hmmm I see your 40 amur leopards and raise you the single Pinto Island Tortoise left alive and the 10 yangtze river dolphins left alive. They haven't been wiped out either.

[beanhead]

According to recent census information there are still:
2.8 million Native Americans
517,000 Aborigines
763,000 Maoris (New Zealand)
1.4 million Native Canadians

So no, they were not wiped out

They are still second class citizens in their own country, so when I hear English people complaining about immigrants,asians,blacks "too many here" "dont feel like England anymore" ect. It makes me laugh considering this is the same country that sent settlers all around the world. and now you complain about being a minority in your own country?! get the hell out of here with your crap.

[Manu]

Hmmm I see your 40 amur leopards and raise you the single Pinto Island Tortoise left alive and the 10 yangtze river dolphins left alive.

Raise me with what. You make it sound like a game, and that makes you come across as a bit of an ass.

[djawesome123]

Let's play pedantics then. There are about 200 white tigers and 40 amur leopards left in the world, so they were not wiped out.

Right there, you said let's play pedantics. PLAY. You made it a game not me so don't moan when I go along with something you said.

They are still second class citizens in their own country, so when I hear English people complaining about immigrants,asians,blacks "too many here" "dont feel like England anymore" ect. It makes me laugh considering this is the same country that sent settlers all around the world. and now you complain about being a minority in your own country?! get the hell out of here with your crap.

No they aren't! what fucking planet are you on. There are so many laws protecting the rights of indigenous peoples these days it's unreal. take your liberal bs somewhere else

[0rang3peel]

There are so many laws protecting the rights of indigenous peoples these days it's unreal. take your liberal bs somewhere else

It's all well and good creating a law once you've near enough wiped out the race that the law is there to protect :oops:

[Heliosphan]

They are still second class citizens in their own country, so when I hear English people complaining about immigrants,asians,blacks "too many here" "dont feel like England anymore" ect. It makes me laugh considering this is the same country that sent settlers all around the world. and now you complain about being a minority in your own country?! get the hell out of here with your crap.

And what makes me laugh is that you think Britain is the same country which sent settlers round the world hundreds of years ago. Britain is a very different country now to what it was then. The only thing which is the same is that we're talking about the same piece of rock. The point is, what do citizens in Britain today have to do with the events dating back hundreds of years?

Obviously you think these historic events were bad, yet you strangely use them to justify mass-immigration. By default then, you're happy for the reverse to happen, i.e Britain to set along a path potentially leading to a similar kind of fate, or at the very least a damaging legacy for future generations.

Why is that? Why is it that British/Western culture is less worthy in your eyes than others?

Is it because you're a self-loathing anti-British lefty who is also a hypocrite?

[djawesome123]

And what makes me laugh is that you think Britain is the same country which sent settlers round the world hundreds of years ago. Britain is a very different country now to what it was then. The only thing which is the same is that we're talking about the same piece of rock. The point is, what do citizens in Britain today have to do with the events dating back hundreds of years?

Obviously you think these historic events were bad, yet you strangely use them to justify mass-immigration. By default then, you're happy for the reverse to happen, i.e Britain to set along a path potentially leading to a similar kind of fate, or at the very least a damaging legacy for future generations.

Why is that? Why is it that British/Western culture is less worthy in your eyes than others?

Is it because you're a self-loathing anti-British lefty who is also a hypocrite?

Thank god some of us still have our heads screwed on

[nuttysaxo]

God is this still going on ! lol .
OK for those who can be bothered to pick up a book , please read " white cargo " , this will give you an idea that people from Britain did not go on package holidays back then ! , our people were treated like shit and shared the same fate as other slaves serving " servitude " . Please also watch the movie " oranges and sunshine " , if you look you will find the truth .
I am not taking away from the plight of the genuine people fleeing Syria , but there are thousands also who are using this to jump the legit way of arriving , of those in misery and that is wrong ! .