What car for around 12k?

[hard_corejoeboy]

So currently have a Clio 172 blah blah blah

Long story short i'm looking at Megane R26's and Megane 250 cups

Any other cars I should be considering?

[WestCoast98]

Mk5 Golf R32 ;)

[hard_corejoeboy]

Fast and sound great but poor mpg and handling. Can imagine costs will be quite high all round

[hard_corejoeboy]

Had a quick look. They are all quite high mileage compared to the r26's of similar money.

At the moment the r26 is a strong contender purely because they are so much cheaper than the 250's that often than not don't have the cup chassis or recaro's.

[hard_corejoeboy]

Had a gander at RCZ's as well but think they are a bit poncey for my liking. Basically I'm after a quick daily that's capable as is on trackdays with minimal or no mods.

[0rang3peel]

24 saxos

[Dom]

Audi S3

For £12k I'd sell you my 430bhp S3.

[hard_corejoeboy]

Don't really like the look of them of I'm honest. Plus I'd probably kill myself with over 250bhp!!

[chester-lad]

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=262186930306&alt=web

Would have this tbh

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[MuZiZZle]

get an E46 M3, and you won't lose money

[WestCoast98]

Fast and sound great but poor mpg and handling. Can imagine costs will be quite high all round

You'd be surprised. Mine handles very well considering its weight and isn't expensive to run - I even use it for work. Even put my hogheays maintenance stickers on back, gets a few stares haha

[KamRacing]

Buy a Porsche

[deano_123]

14k will buy a well sorted E46 M3

Or get a Boxster S and spend some money on track prepping it. Then laugh as you run rings around most whilst straightening your hair. Theres a nice example on the MLR for just under 7k

[hard_corejoeboy]

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=262186930306&alt=web

Would have this tbh

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Lol! Yuck!

[hard_corejoeboy]

Buy a Porsche

Too much money!

[hard_corejoeboy]

14k will buy a well sorted E46 M3

Or get a Boxster S and spend some money on track prepping it. Then laugh as you run rings around most whilst straightening your hair. Theres a nice example on the MLR for just under 7k

Megane is still faster. E46's have some common Isues don't they?

[MuZiZZle]

Megane is still faster. E46's have some common Isues don't they?

As do Meganes, I can see the BM holding its value better tbh

[hard_corejoeboy]

Not a bad shout. My favourite of all the "other" suggestions. Only problems I can see are repair bills and all round costs. Could possibly live with the BMW badge but only if the car lived up to the hype.

[webby]

I'll sell you my Meg f1 for 5.5k. I don't really use it anymore think I did 2k miles in it last year.

[hard_corejoeboy]

Will be in the new year after I've sold my house. R26 is winning at the moment.

[Synister]

get an E46 M3, and you won't lose money

Hard to find a good one these days.

A mate must have viewed 25+ in the space of two months before he eventually bought his. Although 12k is the higher end of the E46 market.

[deano_123]

Megane is still faster. E46's have some common Isues don't they?

Faster in what way? I guarantee the m3 or boxster will be a more rewarding drive

Just buy my Saxo man, ultimate coolz

[SimpleJoee]

The R26 is a fantastic hatch, but have you looked into the problems of those? Swivel bearings, the usual belt changes etc, throw in a service and that's £1k gone already (providing you don't find a model with these sorted).

I won't slate much, as I'm probably making the same move next year lol. Plus, throw around £1500-£2k on it and you've got 300bhp at the end of your toe. Sadly I'm with the tubby cunt though, if I was happy to spend that sort of money, get something more enjoyable.

[Stissy]

Brave to be spending 12k on a Megane. There are so many other options in that price range, some of which have been said already. An E46 M3 or E92 330i (or 335i if you’re prepared to go without nav) would be my choice. Plenty of power, unrivalled handling, sounds awesome and looks the part. What more could you want?

[Manu]

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=262186930306&alt=web

Would have this tbh

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and the chav car of the week is.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrrLSrmwtHY


Love the ebay description, probably costs 300 to fix. Aka he's got some broken piston rings and it's an engine out job to find out the damage.

[hard_corejoeboy]

and the chav car of the week is.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrrLSrmwtHY


Love the ebay description, probably costs 300 to fix. Aka he's got some broken piston rings and it's an engine out job to find out the damage.


Yeah not my cup of tea anyway lol

[hard_corejoeboy]

Brave to be spending 12k on a Megane. There are so many other options in that price range, some of which have been said already. An E46 M3 or E92 330i (or 335i if you’re prepared to go without nav) would be my choice. Plenty of power, unrivalled handling, sounds awesome and looks the part. What more could you want?

Problem is they are bmw's and if the gear knob breaks that's a thousand pounds. If a bulb breaks that a thousand pounds.

Ideally I don't want to spend a huge amount. When you consider my missus' seat mii was a brand new car with warranty etc and that only cost about 7 grand it's hard to justify spending large sums of money on cars well out of their warranty and potentially large costs.

I could always turbo my 172 but again thats a few grand in itself and the engine is on around 97k

[hard_corejoeboy]

The R26 is a fantastic hatch, but have you looked into the problems of those? Swivel bearings, the usual belt changes etc, throw in a service and that's £1k gone already (providing you don't find a model with these sorted).

I won't slate much, as I'm probably making the same move next year lol. Plus, throw around £1500-£2k on it and you've got 300bhp at the end of your toe. Sadly I'm with the tubby cunt though, if I was happy to spend that sort of money, get something more enjoyable.

That's partly why I thought 250 cup as my missus 1.6 megane of the same sort of era as the r26 was always going wrong. Usually electrical.

That and it sort of ticks all the boxes. Cheap insurance (£500) reasonable mpg if I drive like a grandad. Track ready as is. Easy to drive and ridiculously quick for its lowish power and look fantastic.

[Jizanthapus]

Problem is they are bmw's and if the gear knob breaks that's a thousand pounds. If a bulb breaks that a thousand pounds.


I was in the same mindset before owning a BMW but after having done a few repairs they really don't cost any more than other German cars to repair.

Yeh the m3 might cost a bit more for parts, but a 330 or 335 would be pretty awesome to own. If they were that dear to maintain there wouldn't be half as many on the roads.

I think you should listen to stissy and get a 335i!

[hard_corejoeboy]

I had a look at them on ebay and they look HUUUUUUGE!

Ideally I'd like to turbo the 172 but it's wasted money. I think R26 is still winning :)

[SimpleJoee]

Ideally I'd like to turbo the 172 but it's wasted money. I think R26 is still winning :)

I had thought of that, but just can't justify the £3k price tag. The engine and gearbox will easily cope with 220-230 bhp on stock internals, if you don't launch it. But for track, you'd need an LSD ideally, you'd need to get solid engine mounts, decent suspension to handle the power. It's also the whole what could go wrong thing, plus I'd be fucked if anything happened, it would have to go to a specialist like Dan/Andy.

That's partly why I thought 250 cup as my missus 1.6 megane of the same sort of era as the r26 was always going wrong. Usually electrical.

That and it sort of ticks all the boxes. Cheap insurance (£500) reasonable mpg if I drive like a grandad. Track ready as is. Easy to drive and ridiculously quick for its lowish power and look fantastic.

They also get to 300bhp by a simple map ;)

[hard_corejoeboy]

That's the thing. I'd have to spend minimum decent r26 money to get it even remotely safe.

I had thought about a clio 200 cup but it's going to be too slow and not enough car for the extra cash

[DAN_ADRIANFLUX]

That's partly why I thought 250 cup as my missus 1.6 megane of the same sort of era as the r26 was always going wrong. Usually electrical.

That and it sort of ticks all the boxes. Cheap insurance (£500) reasonable mpg if I drive like a grandad. Track ready as is. Easy to drive and ridiculously quick for its lowish power and look fantastic.
Hi,
When you have a particular car in mind please feel free to give us a try for insurance. I'd be only too pleased to help out.
Regards,
Dan.

[Mickswan]

Hi,
When you have a particular car in mind please feel free to give us a try for insurance. I'd be only too pleased to help out.
Regards,
Dan.

An pay a fortune for the privilege!

[Manu]

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31%2Bh1Orr1lL._SY355_.jpg.

fixed.

[Stissy]

Problem is they are bmw's and if the gear knob breaks that's a thousand pounds. If a bulb breaks that a thousand pounds.

Ideally I don't want to spend a huge amount. When you consider my missus' seat mii was a brand new car with warranty etc and that only cost about 7 grand it's hard to justify spending large sums of money on cars well out of their warranty and potentially large costs.

Where did you get this information? Is it something you’ve been told by BMW owners, or just something you reckon?

I’ve owned 3 BMWs so far, and granted certain things, like tyres, are more expensive, but in general they’ve not been any more expensive to own than a ‘regular’ car. The only bit which may cost you more is the servicing on a 6cyl, because you’ll have to buy two more spark plugs.

To put it in perspective, the last interim service (brake fluid and oil change) for my 335d was something like £67. That was in accordance with the cars IDrive system, and because the car was under warranty, I had the work done at the BMW dealership too. That included a vehicle health check, full valet and a courtesy car for the day – for sub £100 you can’t really complain at that.

[D4MJT]

Where did you get this information? Is it something you’ve been told by BMW owners, or just something you reckon?

I’ve owned 3 BMWs so far, and granted certain things, like tyres, are more expensive, but in general they’ve not been any more expensive to own than a ‘regular’ car. The only bit which may cost you more is the servicing on a 6cyl, because you’ll have to buy two more spark plugs.

To put it in perspective, the last interim service (brake fluid and oil change) for my 335d was something like £67. That was in accordance with the cars IDrive system, and because the car was under warranty, I had the work done at the BMW dealership too. That included a vehicle health check, full valet and a courtesy car for the day – for sub £100 you can’t really complain at that.

Joe can, as he's a monumental bender.

[Stissy]

Hi,
When you have a particular car in mind please feel free to give us a try for insurance. I'd be only too pleased to help out.
Regards,
Dan.

An pay a fortune for the privilege!

+1. Don’t waste your time OP.

Adrian Flux quoted me for a standard VTR as a second car with limited mileage, just to use as a commuter, and the price came back at £700. Baring in mind I drove a 300bhp BMW 335d as a daily insured with Admiral for less than £500. I then contacted Admiral, and managed to add the Saxo under a new policy for a poultry £156.

[webby]

Mine ha had all that work done. New swivels, belts, clutch, tyres, 1144's, discs, window units. In fact I'm going to keep It and do no miles in it.

[hard_corejoeboy]

I think it's more I don't think I a bmw would suit me. That and they are all so large and I like smaller fwd cars.

[SimpleJoee]

I think it's more I don't think I a bmw would suit me. That and they are all so large and I like smaller fwd cars.

I'm the same tbh

[Jizanthapus]

I think it's more I don't think I a bmw would suit me. That and they are all so large and I like smaller fwd cars.

I'm the same tbh

Don't knock it til you try it! Also they aren't large, they're the size a car should be!! :y:

[D4MJT]

Don't knock it til you try it! Also they aren't large, they're the size a car should be!! :y:

Mines fucking massive m9

[hard_corejoeboy]

I feel like if I was to drive one it would be like driving a higher power rwd transit can.

Sure it's fun but the transit is probably lighter!

[D4MJT]

I feel like if I was to drive one it would be like driving a higher power rwd transit can.

Sure it's fun but the transit is probably lighter!

I love you Joe :hug:

I'd forgotten how good Sax-P was.

[Stissy]

I feel like if I was to drive one it would be like driving a higher power rwd transit can.

Sure it's fun but the transit is probably lighter!

High powered lightweight transit van – the ultimate driving machine.

[hard_corejoeboy]

Probably would be pretty mega to be fair. They handle really well the newer ones with flat bed. Shame the esp ruins all the potential fun. At least over 30mph anyway

[deano_123]

I love you Joe :hug:

I'd forgotten how good Sax-P was.

Remember where you are, you can't fix stupid

OP, you ask for input yet take nothing on board as you have your mind set on a larger, more expensive version of a Saxo.

[SimpleJoee]

Remember where you are, you can't fix stupid

OP, you ask for input yet take nothing on board as you have your mind set on a larger, more expensive version of a Saxo.

I don't see the problem :homme:

[Brettles1986]

For £12K I would buy an E46 M3 and keep the change.

[Ross]

get an E46 M3, and you won't lose money

As much as muz is a cunt, he's right on this shout.

Audi S3

For £12k I'd sell you my 430bhp S3.

Dyno to prove?

Mk5 Golf R32 ;)

Fuck no. If I had to draw up a list of wallowy boaty slow cars with big engines that make a lot of noise but totally underwhelm, this might top that list tbh. If your experience is otherwise, I'd respectfully suggest you try driving something better handling. Like a Trabant.

[deano_123]

I don't see the problem :homme:

This is a pointless exercise as you had your mind made up when you made the thread.

I look forward to hearing of your issues with the megane

[white_vts_boy]

Mitsubishi evo 9/10 whichever u prefer fq360/400 holding their money. You can't spend 12k on a Renault evo would kill it aswell!

[white_vts_boy]

Maybe not a 360/400 there too dear haha!

[hard_corejoeboy]

It's the bigger picture. Why run an expensive 4wd evo that's probably slower round track than a Megane yet costs more to insure, tax and fuel?

Sure I kind of did have my mind set on a Megane from the beginning and it was you guys to give me alternative options. None of which are as good when you consider their all round running costs, age of vehicle and mileage.

If I'm paying 12k I'm going to want something relatively new or at least under 5-6 years old!

[hard_corejoeboy]

Throttle bodying the clio or turbo kit is still an option. I do love the clio in a lot of ways.

[Jizanthapus]

Why run an expensive 4wd evo that's probably slower round track than a Megane

That can't be right can it? I still can't believe you'd rather have a Renault than an M3 or Evo...

[D4MJT]

That can't be right can it? I still can't believe you'd rather have a Renault than an M3 or Evo...

I started typing a similar reply this morning then realised it was utterly fucking pointless.

£12k on a Megane though 😂😂

[SimpleJoee]

This is a pointless exercise as you had your mind made up when you made the thread.

I look forward to hearing of your issues with the megane

I think you've got the wrong Joe haha!

[Manu]

Same thread different day.

my mum has a megane, it's horrendous to drive and to maintain, not to mention the price and availability of parts. She found out in hindsight she would have been much, much better off with some BMW/Audi in the first place. Come resale time she'll get near fuck all for it.

[hard_corejoeboy]

Is assuming it's not an r26 or 250 megane though right?

[Manu]

Indeed and thank fuck for that as I lost count of how many times I had to fix her car, hunt for unavailable parts while I'm doing the taxi waiting 4 days for renault to send replacements. I'd love to see the bills on those sporty versions, as I'm assuming the built quality and reliability are similar. The list of what miserably failed on that car is quite extensive, and as it turns out, german equivalent cars with similar breakdowns would have been cheaper to repair.

Had fond memories of changing light bulbs on it, I swear the front and back light housings were designed by mongoloids.

[Ross]

Rs6 headlight bulb replacement. £675.

[Manu]

Can get a lifetime supply for that sort of price.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Audi-03-04-RS6-D2S-D2C-10000K-Pure-Blue-OEM-HID-Headlight-Bulb-1-Pair-/381134724226?fits=Make%3AAudi|Model%3ARS6&hash=item58bd665c82:g:2JoAAOSwu4BVrEvC&vxp=mtr


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/D2S-WHITE-XENON-HID-LIGHT-BULBS-HEADLIGHT-HEADLAMP-4300K-35W-FACTORY-OE-FITTED-2-/171078670425?hash=item27d5155859:g:eBoAAOSwyQtVud4 F

[white_vts_boy]

It's the bigger picture. Why run an expensive 4wd evo that's probably slower round track than a Megane yet costs more to insure, tax and fuel?

Sure I kind of did have my mind set on a Megane from the beginning and it was you guys to give me alternative options. None of which are as good when you consider their all round running costs, age of vehicle and mileage.

If I'm paying 12k I'm going to want something relatively new or at least under 5-6 years old!

An evo, m3 or scooby would run rings around a megane on a track plus it's on of them cars where you have to explain what it is it's a Renault it will massively depreciate and a waste of money in my opinion! But you like what u like.

[white_vts_boy]

An evo, m3 or scooby would run rings around a megane on a track plus it's one of them cars where you have to explain what it is, it's a Renault it will massively depreciate and a waste of money in my opinion! But you like what u like.......

[hard_corejoeboy]

Rs6 headlight bulb replacement. £675.

Seriously?? If thats true that's ridiculous!

Thing is it isn't 2003 anymore. Evo's and scooby will get comprehensibly thrashed by a Megane RS on track. They aren't worth the money people are paying for them let alone the associated fuel costs. Shit I've seen countless videos where M3's get eaten by the Megane's too. I know it's not the record breaking car but I think the v8 e92 m3 is only something like a second quicker round the ring. That's versus the 265 too and not the 275 trophy r.

After driving mainly fwd shit hatchbacks for years I know I could climb in that megane and give it the beans straight away whereas in an m3 I'm probably going to end up in a ditch backwards! As for the evos and the like..I like to actually drive the car and not let it drive itself. Sure it's quick but that's not always fun.

That and the fact any cars for that budget are going to be old high mileage cars. It's the reason I've got a 172. You just can't go faster for less!

[white_vts_boy]

Seems a pointless thread to me you've made your mind up just buy one if you like them just seems a waste of money.

[Manu]

There has to be some sort of a Dolce & Gabana endorsement on those bulbs.

[hard_corejoeboy]

But if you can find me a decent mileage m3 that's cared for I might change my mind LOL

Im not worried on depreciation to be honest. In fact I'm struggling to find any 250's in budget at the mileage and spec I'm after...obviously 6 year old cars haven't depreciated as much as you might think!

[deano_123]

Seriously?? If thats true that's ridiculous!

Thing is it isn't 2003 anymore. Evo's and scooby will get comprehensibly thrashed by a Megane RS on track. They aren't worth the money people are paying for them let alone the associated fuel costs. Shit I've seen countless videos where M3's get eaten by the Megane's too. I know it's not the record breaking car but I think the v8 e92 m3 is only something like a second quicker round the ring. That's versus the 265 too and not the 275 trophy r.

After driving mainly fwd shit hatchbacks for years I know I could climb in that megane and give it the beans straight away whereas in an m3 I'm probably going to end up in a ditch backwards! As for the evos and the like..I like to actually drive the car and not let it drive itself. Sure it's quick but that's not always fun.

That and the fact any cars for that budget are going to be old high mileage cars. It's the reason I've got a 172. You just can't go faster for less!

Have you actually driven an M3 or evo or any decent power RWD/ AWD car to have an informed opinion or is this based on Internet experts?

[hard_corejoeboy]

No not driven any but never been that impressed by any I have encountered on road or track apart from their straight line pace anyway.

[white_vts_boy]

I have 2 fwd drive cars vts and a leon cupra r also I have a scooby sti fwd is wrong wheel drive I'm not saying U can't have fun in them but Subaru is faster and more rewarding a big power rwd car im sure can be challenging but I can't talk from experience as I havnt owned one but have been told are amazing to drive.

You've also gota look at an E46 m3 making 343bhp standard from a n/a engine which is mental!

[D4MJT]

This thread delivers

[Ross]

I have 2 fwd drive cars vts and a leon cupra r also I have a scooby sti fwd is wrong wheel drive I'm not saying U can't have fun in them but Subaru is faster and more rewarding a big power rwd car im sure can be challenging but I can't talk from experience as I havnt owned one but have been told are amazing to drive.

You've also gota look at an E46 m3 making 343bhp standard from a n/a engine which is mental!

Or a b7 RS4 making 410bhp from an NA engine...

And yeah. £650+ for a headlight bulb. Designed by the Germans to never fail. When they do fail, it's a bumper off job so 4 hours labour for a bulb change and £100 for the bulb !

[hard_corejoeboy]

I'm not sure I agree with fwd being wrong wheel drive I mean it's very very easy to drive and also usually better than rwd in the wet.

Fwd they used to say the limit was 170 bhp which considering the Megane has 275 bhp and no torque steer is obviously wrong and shows how tech has moved on.

Also when you consider that a fwd megane is quicker than a Ferrari Supercar (360) with almost 500bhp round the ring it's plain bonkers!

[Ross]

The guys who race in the Porsche GT cup and VLN choose the Megane as their personal "fun" vehicle. Nicknamed the baguette. Those guys have the choice of any car pretty much but a lot of them choose the French tin because it's awesome.
I'd love one. Drove Craig's for about 20 laps of Cadwell. It was epic.

[hard_corejoeboy]

I just need to find one in 3-4 months in budget with the recaro's now! If not i'll stick with the clio and keep it as is. It's a tough choice being an adult. Financial responsibility suck! !

[hard_corejoeboy]

I did have my heart set on a Clio 200 cup but I feel it would be stupid to pay 8-10k for a car that's barely any quicker than the current one but with much worse fuel consumption!

[L33h]

Rs6 headlight bulb replacement. £675.

Whaaaaaat, how?

[deano_123]

No not driven any but never been that impressed by any I have encountered on road or track apart from their straight line pace anyway.

Stick to your megane then, it'll please you

[SimpleJoee]

For what you're after, get an R26. LSD, factory Recaro's, better choice of colours. Then there's the option of tuning again. A stock 225 will beat a 1*2 around track, all be it not by a huge margain, but none the less. £1500 will take you to, or just shy of 300bhp which is more than plenty for road/track use. It'll also still be a hell of a lot cheaper than buying the 250cup, and quicker with the mods done.

[Ashleyp]

If you want something fun that's still a nice daily:

Meg R26
Meg 250

If you want something thats a very nice daily, but with great power / tuning potential:

Mk5 Edition 30
Audi S3

If you want RWD, comfort, power, an investment for the future:

E46 M3 (manual)
E39 M5


servicing / parts costs can be high on all of the above cars, but if you like cars - those costs don't prove to be an issue. I enjoy my car, so don't mind paying extra.

For what you're after, get an R26. LSD, factory Recaro's, better choice of colours. Then there's the option of tuning again. A stock 225 will beat a 1*2 around track, all be it not by a huge margain, but none the less. £1500 will take you to, or just shy of 300bhp which is more than plenty for road/track use. It'll also still be a hell of a lot cheaper than buying the 250cup, and quicker with the mods done.

£1500 get you to 300 in an R26, please tell me how, I'll give you the money now.

exhaust, IC, map, injectors will easily eat that £1500 - and you'll be looking at 280ish.
the Meg3 is far more tunable and a MUCH better all round car than the R26, but still nothing compared to the S3 / Edition 30 lump if tuning is your end game.


However, the cynic in me thinks that this 12k budget won't see fruition...

[Dom]

You can throw £1500 at an S3 and get 335bhp. Quattro fun too.

Either way, I think Ash has answered all of the possibilities of this topic.

[SimpleJoee]

The 250 turbo helps, a lot. Can also be had for a very good price on return of the stock turbo. I wasn't counting in labour or mapping come to think of it actually, sure they're £400 roughly for a tweaked map with dyno work from Paul.

[hard_corejoeboy]

The plan was to leave 100% standard.

[Ashleyp]

The plan was to leave 100% standard.

E46 M3 then.

Well looked after manuals will be going up in value. Can't say that about many other cars...

But seeing as every comment youve made leans towards an R26 - get one, enjoy it and put the change in savings!

[hard_corejoeboy]

The money's coming from selling my house. Made a hell of a profit on it. Close to 100k so being a bit of a tight ass I was thinking R26 but the main thing putting me off is I know they are fast but they aren't supercar chasing fast from what I've seen :(

[Stissy]

Thing is it isn't 2003 anymore. Evo's and scooby will get comprehensibly thrashed by a Megane RS on track. They aren't worth the money people are paying for them let alone the associated fuel costs. Shit I've seen countless videos where M3's get eaten by the Megane's too. I know it's not the record breaking car but I think the v8 e92 m3 is only something like a second quicker round the ring. That's versus the 265 too and not the 275 trophy r.


I need to see proof for these facts and stats.

Or a b7 RS4 making 410bhp from an NA engine...

And yeah. £650+ for a headlight bulb. Designed by the Germans to never fail. When they do fail, it's a bumper off job so 4 hours labour for a bulb change and £100 for the bulb !

£100 for a xenon isn’t that unreasonable though. BMW were charging £80 for the 5-Series / X5 xenons back in the very early 2000s.

[Ashleyp]

The money's coming from selling my house. Made a hell of a profit on it. Close to 100k so being a bit of a tight ass I was thinking R26 but the main thing putting me off is I know they are fast but they aren't supercar chasing fast from what I've seen :(

From what we've all seen, your driving isn't super car fast either.

if you want supercar speed, buy a super car... It's ridiculous to think something costing sub £12k can compete with top end motors... Don't get me wrong, you can get some very good cars for that money, and I'm not aiming this comment at you; but all too often people on here want GT3RS-esque performance, for Renault megane money...

[Ashleyp]

I need to see proof for these facts and stats.



£100 for a xenon isn’t that unreasonable though. BMW were charging £80 for the 5-Series / X5 xenons back in the very early 2000s.

I've seen countless meganes overtake M3s on track too, but I've also seen countless M3's overtake meganes on track too.

Good driver, or highly modded vs the opposite will often win, and not just in the aforementioned comparison.

Reality is - they're completely different cars. So it's foolish to make comments of "meganes are quicker on track..." Or similar.

One other point: ring times are the best marketing tool car manufacturers have ever come up with.
Put a very experienced race driver in a car and give him the toughest 13mile track on the planet... Result; people start making outrageous claims that a megane is comparible with an M3... Again, both great cars in their own field. but I reiterate my point of them being completely different, and therefore it's silly to compare them in any way.

Unless you have, and regularly use a year pass at the ring, being one second quicker on a track in another country is pointless [to be polite about it...]

[Ashleyp]

FYI - I love my megane R26 :)

[hard_corejoeboy]

From what we've all seen, your driving isn't super car fast either.

if you want supercar speed, buy a super car... It's ridiculous to think something costing sub £12k can compete with top end motors... Don't get me wrong, you can get some very good cars for that money, and I'm not aiming this comment at you; but all too often people on here want GT3RS-esque performance, for Renault megane money...

You've only seen me drive a wet trackday at Snetterton my first time there and overtake everything apart from a modded subaru impreza STi. Just saying LOL

[hard_corejoeboy]

https://youtu.be/5oPpB5KRoBY

I'd love to see any people on saxp that aren't race drivers drive that quick in those conditions on their first trackday in five years in a standard non cup 172

[Ashleyp]

brilliant.

No need to even have this thread, stick to a clio mate, nothing or nobody can touch you on track anyway.

After all, that's all that counts in having a car, right...?

[Stissy]

Reality is - they're completely different cars. So it's foolish to make comments of "meganes are quicker on track..." Or similar.

I disagree with this. I think it’s perfectly valid to make a comparison between two cars based on how they perform on a track. After all, a track is the best way to test performance built cars. It combines acceleration, straight line speed, cornering, handling, braking and everything else that comes in to play when you want to get somewhere quickly.

Cherry picking a few videos where a Megane overtakes an M3 means nothing. It’s the same principle as those videos where some lad throws a basketball off a rooftop in to a net three miles away. There are probably 100 videos where he fails but he only shows the one where he gets it in. As a general rule, M3s are better performance cars than Meganes, I can’t believe I’m having to justify this comparison, the two aren’t even in the same league.

[Ashleyp]

I disagree with this. I think it’s perfectly valid to make a comparison between two cars based on how they perform on a track. After all, a track is the best way to test performance built cars. It combines acceleration, straight line speed, cornering, handling, braking and everything else that comes in to play when you want to get somewhere quickly.

Cherry picking a few videos where a Megane overtakes an M3 means nothing. It’s the same principle as those videos where some lad throws a basketball off a rooftop in to a net three miles away. There are probably 100 videos where he fails but he only shows the one where he gets it in. As a general rule, M3s are better performance cars than Meganes, I can’t believe I’m having to justify this comparison, the two aren’t even in the same league.

Point, missed.

M3 - N/A V8, RWD, heavy, filled with gadgets, awful MPG etc etc
Meg - 2.0T, FWD, fairly light, not very hi-tech, decent MPG / running costs etc etc...

yes, you can make comparisons between the two cars - but ultimately, as listed above [in very brief form] they're two completely different cars, thus even if they produced exactly the same lap time it's not really a valid comparison for the most part when you consider all aspects of a car: All of which lead to what is surely the ultimate goal in a performance car; driver experience.

Following on from that, and seeing as my other points earlier were probably a bit too vague, I'll simplify:
People get too hung up on track performance / driving at the limit. granted these are performance cars, but even if you did 20 track days a year (which is a lot!) you've still got to live with a car on a daily basis for the other 345. Therefore comparisons should be made off the track, Ie; can I afford to put petrol in this car?


PS: this is a ridiculous comment to make, for several reasons, but we'll keep it simple and say it's ridiculous because of my above points :) as a general rule, M3's are better performance cars than megane's


PPS: this contradicts the above quote, and justifies the point I've been making nicely. You're saying they should be compared because they're both performance cars, but go on to say they can't be compared because they're not in the same league... the two aren’t even in the same league

I would neither agree or disagree that an M3 is a better performance car than a megane, because rightly as you say - they're not in the same league.
They're two outstanding cars, both of which are the present pinacle, or are very close to being the pinacle, of their respective field.

To summarise: if you were interested in buying one if the cars mentioned, because they're not in the same league - you shouldn't be looking to find comparisons between the two, but rather look to find the differences between them, as that is what will give you the justification you need to purchase one over the other...

[webby]

You prattle on about how much quicker that is than this and so on and so forth. How many miles have you driven on a circuit vs the road lets just say the past 12 months? Do you "race" on the roads?

real world your going to end up at point b within 5 minutes of each other.

If you think you can pedal a Meg faster than an m3 you need driver training in a proper car. As the ring times that you love to quote have proven the m3 is faster than an r26.

[Ashleyp]

To avoid everyone reading any of my posts in this thread:

Joe - go and test drive some cars, and then decide what YOU like :)

You're going to have to guess how they perform on track though, as most people don't let you do test drives there

[hard_corejoeboy]

Can I just clarify when I've been saying meganes and m3's I'm talking about 250's and e46 m3's

NOT R26 AND E92 M3

[Ashleyp]

Can I just clarify when I've been saying meganes and m3's I'm talking about 250's and e46 m3's

NOT R26 AND E92 M3

the point still stands.

[hard_corejoeboy]

I've also taken the points people have been making on board and it's now my choice I guess.

[hard_corejoeboy]

the point still stands.

So why say it's a v8 when it's a straight six?

[Ashleyp]

So why say it's a v8 when it's a straight six?

My comment was a reply to stissy. Stissy's comment was a reply to yours, where you clearly mentioned a Meg 265 being only a second slower than an E92 M3

Any reply from me, to you has been in relation to the E46.

[hard_corejoeboy]

Fair enough. This thread is confusing lol

[deano_123]

I've also taken the points people have been making on board and it's now my choice I guess.

Wasn't it always your choice?

Like somebody said earlier, a track orientated car is twatful 350 days a year when your commuting or stuck in traffic, i remember a triple plate clutch inching up a hill in a 600 bhp evo with 1 seat and a bright green rollcage, not only did I feel silly but my leg and ears hurt.

I'd get a 7 series like Matts and go pimpin

[SimpleJoee]

I'd get a 7 series like Matts and go pimpin

But Matt's fat, and northern?

[Jizanthapus]

But Matt's fat, and northern?

Nothing wrong with the north, boyo!

[Stissy]

Point, missed.

M3 - N/A V8, RWD, heavy, filled with gadgets, awful MPG etc etc
Meg - 2.0T, FWD, fairly light, not very hi-tech, decent MPG / running costs etc etc...

yes, you can make comparisons between the two cars - but ultimately, as listed above [in very brief form] they're two completely different cars, thus even if they produced exactly the same lap time it's not really a valid comparison for the most part when you consider all aspects of a car: All of which lead to what is surely the ultimate goal in a performance car; driver experience.

Following on from that, and seeing as my other points earlier were probably a bit too vague, I'll simplify:
People get too hung up on track performance / driving at the limit. granted these are performance cars, but even if you did 20 track days a year (which is a lot!) you've still got to live with a car on a daily basis for the other 345. Therefore comparisons should be made off the track, Ie; can I afford to put petrol in this car?

I understood what you said. I wasn’t disagreeing with that part. The subject I was commenting on was purely about which car was fastest. Forget practicality, running costs, or whether it has a nav screen in the dash. I was commenting for the M3 vs Megane / which is fastest argument.


PPS: this contradicts the above quote, and justifies the point I've been making nicely. You're saying they should be compared because they're both performance cars, but go on to say they can't be compared because they're not in the same league...

Yes, they are both performance cars and as such, can be compared directly by their performance. The M3 is leagues ahead of the Megane in terms of performance, so I couldn’t believe why I was trying to justify the comparison.

[deano_123]

But Matt's fat, and northern?

Hes not, hes lithe, like a racing snake. He portrays this image as thats what turns his gimp, Muz, on

[hard_corejoeboy]

I'm still not quite understanding how an m3 (e46) is leagues ahead of a Megane 250 when it isn't. Standard and especially modified.

[Stissy]

I'm still not quite understanding how an m3 (e46) is leagues ahead of a Megane 250 when it isn't. Standard and especially modified.

Keep up Joe!

My comment was a reply to Ashleyp. Ashleyp’s comment was a reply to mine, where we were clearly talking about an E92 M3

Any reply from me, to you will be in relation to an E46 – although the point still stands.

[Jizanthapus]

I'm still not quite understanding how an m3 (e46) is leagues ahead of a Megane 250 when it isn't. Standard and especially modified.

Because it's not french.

[SimpleJoee]

Hes not, hes lithe, like a racing snake. He portrays this image as thats what turns his gimp, Muz, on
I've been thinking about it so wrong...
Nothing wrong with the north, boyo!
Okay mainly because he's Matt in general.

[Ashleyp]

I understood what you said. I wasn’t disagreeing with that part. The subject I was commenting on was purely about which car was fastest. Forget practicality, running costs, or whether it has a nav screen in the dash. I was commenting for the M3 vs Megane / which is fastest argument.



Yes, they are both performance cars and as such, can be compared directly by their performance. The M3 is leagues ahead of the Megane in terms of performance, so I couldn’t believe why I was trying to justify the comparison.


To claim the M3 is leagues ahead in performance is naive. Don't get me wrong, the M3 is the better car (in my opinion), but you'd be deluded to assume that the megane is a slouch in comparison.

It seems as if you're digressing from the topic, which of course is about buying a car. Either that, or in your opinion a comparison of track times put forth by manufacturers using racing drivers are all that counts when making a purchase (judging by all of your comments in this thread)... If only buying a car was based on its use and the drivers ability outside of their imagination.

Having gone off topic myself a lot in this thread, I'll go back a few posts and reiterate: if you can afford to buy a car soley based on it being driven at 11/10ths on a track in another country by a racing driver, and that's what you look for, then fair play... But if you live in the real world, and know that 99% of your driving will be done on the road. You should be looking at the best all round package that suits your needs and your finances :)

[hard_corejoeboy]

Which on the face of it probably still is the Megane unless someone can confirm that the m3 purchase will result in same age car for the same miles and mpg, tax and insurance.

[Stissy]

Which on the face of it probably still is the Megane unless someone can confirm that the m3 purchase will result in same age car for the same miles and mpg, tax and insurance.

The point is, as Ashleyp and yourself have both touched on, it’s about what’s right for YOU. Although 90% of the people in this thread are telling you an E46 M3 is a better choice than a Megane, it’s ultimately YOUR choice if you want to spend 12k on a Renault.

You had made up your mind before starting this thread. It’s up to you whether you would rather spend your money on tyres and fuel, or on depreciation and disappointment.

[hard_corejoeboy]

What do people think of the Leon Cupra?

[Ashleyp]

Which on the face of it probably still is the Megane unless someone can confirm that the m3 purchase will result in same age car for the same miles and mpg, tax and insurance.

Unfortunately, all of the costs are likley to be a fair amount higher than a Meg.

I've owned my R26 for around 18 months now, and covered roughly 16,000 miles in that time.
I've replaced tyres (to pilot super sport from pilot sport 3)
Replaced front brake pads
Carried out one service

Other than tax (£24pcm, or £250ish a year), insurance (£520 at 26 years old), and petrol (I get roughly 25mpg, was 32+ when I did more miles for work) - I've had no adverse costs (touch wood!)

It's the best all round car I've ever had. Great out of the box with no mods required which is what I was looking for at the time, the only thing that suited my needs equally was a mk5 edition 30 (lSD, brembo's and recaro's as standard won for me)

Would I go back to a BMW? Yes, in a heartbeat... But I don't have the disposable income to fund or run for an e46 m3, e92 M3, or e39 m5 - to be honest, I'd rather pour that money elsewhere even if I did have it. But maybe one day in the near future :)

Hope that helps a little!

Although 90% of the people in this thread are telling you an E46 M3 is a better choice than a Megane, it’s ultimately YOUR choice if you want to spend 12k on a Renault.

You had made up your mind before starting this thread. It’s up to you whether you would rather spend your money on tyres and fuel, or on depreciation and disappointment.


Nothing short of absolute drivel from someone who hasn't owned Any of the aforementioned cars...

I'm sure we all know how much I've praised the BMW M/// Division on this forum, but I'm not sure where you're getting your comments of "clearly the better choice" from?
yes, the M3 has more power, is RWD and has much more gadgets, but does that define it as the better car in this situation?

I should probably add that not only does the E46 M3 cost more in every department, it records roughly the same time round the ring as the R26 - seeing as this is a fact that you so clearly desire when considering a purchase.

I like both cars equally as much, so I'm not defending either more than the other. Based on Joe's comments, I'd suggest the R26 suits his needs better out of the two.

Again as always, test drives are the only way to truly decide.

[L33h]

I've had a few german cars now and I can say about them is that they're boring.

[hard_corejoeboy]

There's also still a niggling I have for a 172 turbo.

Around 4k for engine rebuild and turbo kit.
Bigger brakes and some cup dampers and I'm done. Maybe LSD to the list

So that's what around 5-6k all in?

Decent condition Meg r26 would be upwards of 6.5k

The 172 will still be cheaper to tax insure and fuel most likely yet faster and arguably more fun.

Downsides are reliability and resale value

[Ashleyp]

There's also still a niggling I have for a 172 turbo.

Around 4k for engine rebuild and turbo kit.
Bigger brakes and some cup dampers and I'm done. Maybe LSD to the list

So that's what around 5-6k all in?

Decent condition Meg r26 would be upwards of 6.5k

The 172 will still be cheaper to tax insure and fuel most likely yet faster and arguably more fun.

Downsides are reliability and resale value

I feel the vast majority of my comments were wasted when I read this comment :( lol.

[hard_corejoeboy]

Oh I get in my position if I wanted to be sensible the r26 would be the way to go.

But then theres always that itching slightly mental side that thinks fuck it let's have some fun :)

[Stissy]

Unfortu
Nothing short of absolute drivel from someone who hasn't owned Any of the aforementioned cars...

I'm sure we all know how much I've praised the BMW M/// Division on this forum, but I'm not sure where you're getting your comments of "clearly the better choice" from?

You're dead right there mate. This is exactly the reason why I stopped responding to your comments. If people don't agree with you, you just get offensive.

What makes your opinion more significant than mine? I've owned five hot hatches, four of which have been French. Along with two 300bhp+ BMWs.

EDIT: actually forget that. I can't be arsed to respond anymore.

[Ashleyp]

You're dead right there mate. This is exactly the reason why I stopped responding to your comments. If people don't agree with you, you just get offensive.

What makes your opinion more significant than mine? I've owned five hot hatches, four of which have been French. Along with two 300bhp+ BMWs.

EDIT: actually forget that. I can't be arsed to respond anymore.

Not one of your comments has any relevance to what Joe's asked, nor do they have any factual relevance...

I never said my opinion was more significant than anyone elses. The difference between mine and yours is that mine are reasoned and balanced, with evidence and experience to back it up.

please stick with your intelligent responces of "M3 iz better bruv, wikipedia tracktimes told me so". :)

[Stissy]

Not one of your comments has any relevance to what Joe's asked, nor do they have any factual relevance...

I never said my opinion was more significant than anyone elses. The difference between mine and yours is that mine are reasoned and balanced, with evidence and experience to back it up.

please stick with your intelligent responces of "M3 iz better bruv, wikipedia tracktimes told me so". :)

Whatever you say mate.

[chester-lad]

This thread still going on . Just go road test a few cars and spend your money simples

Sent from my SM-G928F using Tapatalk

[hard_corejoeboy]

True. Perhaps I should have titled the thread "what after a clio 172 is the best value performance car for your money"

[deano_123]

True. Perhaps I should have titled the thread "what after a clio 172 is the best value performance car for your money"

I'm not sure there is such a thing. Everyone knows nothing can catch a 172 on the twisties

[hard_corejoeboy]

Haha yeah that's what clio owners say. The reality is they are good but certainly no Caterham or Lotus.

[L33h]

Like to see ya find one of those for the price of a clio tho lol. Both of them arent very fast in a straight line either tbh. Not that im telling you to get a clio anyway haha

[hard_corejoeboy]

The thought did cross my mind on a trophy. Purely for the resale value.

[L33h]

Absolute ridiculous money tho arent they haha just cos theyre red. madness. Resale value will be good tho

[Ashleyp]

The thought did cross my mind on a trophy. Purely for the resale value.

Will take ages before they're going up in value!

A lot of effort to buy one, keep it mint and then sit on it for another 5 or so years at least!

I do love them though ;)

[hard_corejoeboy]

Yeah if anything they are a pain in the ass to keep mint but if you bought for £5k it's almost certain you could sell for £5k

[hard_corejoeboy]

What's people's opinions on the turbo'd and supercharged 1.4 ibiza cupra?

Good mpg
Cheap tax
178bhp decent torque

Well in budget.

[Manu]

it's no vts

[Dom]

Just because it's a 1.4TFSI doesn't mean it's turbo'd and supercharged. Just Turbo'd.

[Jizanthapus]

What's people's opinions on the turbo'd and supercharged 1.4 ibiza cupra?

Good mpg
Cheap tax
178bhp decent torque

Well in budget.

Yep get one of them. Go do it now.

[hard_corejoeboy]

Just because it's a 1.4TFSI doesn't mean it's turbo'd and supercharged. Just Turbo'd.

But.....it.....is lol

2013 ish. New ones are just turbo I believe.

[Bedford126]

But.....it.....is lol

2013 ish. New ones are just turbo I believe.

Turbo fuel stratified injection- TFSI

The ones that had both were short lived and often popped, try again

[hard_corejoeboy]

Try again? In that what I said was correct? The ones I'm looking at are the supercharged and turbo'd ones?

[SimpleJoee]

I love this ��

[Bedford126]

Try again? In that what I said was correct? The ones I'm looking at are the supercharged and turbo'd ones?

Yeah try again, by the look of your progress thread and the cost cutting you do with the clio, you would be better buying a cheaper car and just looking after it better. Keep it standard instead of changing wheels to pov spec just because it saves you £5 every now and then.

But considering the bullshit you have said on the forum over the years I honestly can't see you getting any of the cars any time soon.

[MuZiZZle]

Just get a VTS

[Gabbastard]

Just get a VTS

Are there any that arent total rusty shites anymore?

[MuZiZZle]

Are there any that arent total rusty shites anymore?

should be, I've got 2

[hard_corejoeboy]

I think I was clever personally getting some cheap light wheels that do the job as good.

[hard_corejoeboy]

Besides why would I spend a fortune on an 11 year old car with 97k on the clock worth about a grand?

[Jizanthapus]

Nice Xantia for sale on ebay. Buy it. (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HOT-ROD-RAT-ROD-CUSTOM-CAR-/181974651414?hash=item2a5e88d216:g:gQIAAOSw1S9WgRW l)

[Ashleyp]

Judging by the circles this is going in, and knowing some of your posts over the years, I should have just stuck with my initial comment...

However, the cynic in me thinks that this 12k budget won't see fruition...

[deano_123]

Besides why would I spend a fortune on an 11 year old car with 97k on the clock worth about a grand?

Why would'nt you?

[hard_corejoeboy]

Because as the thread says I'm doing my research into what car I'm going to get next year. I've never spent more than 6.5k on a car so I want my money's worth cos at the end of the day you are generally always going to lose it on cars.

[deano_123]

But you wont listen to anyone and already had your mind set on a shitty Megane, be gone young Padiwan on your adventure into shit car ownership

[hard_corejoeboy]

Car (s) "Range rover sport"

Enough said.

[deano_123]

Car (s) "Range rover sport"

Enough said.

If it was a 12 grand one I'd agree with you

To add, haven't you literally driven 4 cars in your life, the highlight being a Megane?

[webby]

Can a mod lock this thread please and change the header to "bell end asks for advice just to argue the toss so he can rim Meg sports"

Fuck I actually own a Meg and I'm not so deluded.
Yeah a Range Rover sport Is what Dean bought because it suits his needs. Just like you know a Meg is what suits yours but you come in starting this thread for what? Make like Lewis Hamilton banging on that you can drive a fwd car faster than the next man in an m3.
Grow up! Cunt.

[hard_corejoeboy]

Chances are I'm going to get an r26 unless I find a 250 in budgetm

[deano_123]

Chances are I'm going to get an r26 unless I find a 250 in budgetm

I hope it's the life changing event you want it to be

[tweeqd]

can you get B8's for a megane ?

[hard_corejoeboy]

Not sure you can Martin what an outrage!

I've actually changed my mind again and am looking at

208 gti
Clio EDC
Fiesta ST

In that order. St's are just far too common and in the interior is naff, Clio has the paddleshifters which would be awesome on track for a non heel and toe like myself and the 208 seems the best all rounder.

[hard_corejoeboy]

Not sure you can Martin what an outrage!

I've actually changed my mind again and am looking at

208 gti
Clio EDC
Fiesta ST

In that order. St's are just far too common and in the interior is naff, Clio has the paddleshifters which would be awesome on track for a non heel and toe like myself and the 208 seems the best all rounder.

[rey]

So the Clio with the much despised gearbox is on your list, but an M3 isn't something you'd consider..

Probably for the best really. I'm sure whichever you buy will be the greatest car in the world.

[Jizanthapus]

What about a brand spanking new Dacia Sandero.

[Manu]

https://d37nk263jfz2p8.cloudfront.net/image/1/700/0/uploads/posts/2015/05/may-approves-556711e80cf1e.jpg

[Ross]

I'm sure whichever you buy will be the greatest car in the world once it's got B8's and a lower brace

Fixed. :)

[hard_corejoeboy]

So the Clio with the much despised gearbox is on your list, but an M3 isn't something you'd consider..

Probably for the best really. I'm sure whichever you buy will be the greatest car in the world.

Yep the much despised gearbox that makes the car faster. Same type that's in many a supercar and other hot hatches yet apparantly is rubbish in a clio even though it shifts in 150ms in race mode.

What idiot thought of that lol

[hard_corejoeboy]

From the reviews I've seen the 208 is the best buy. They always say the ST is best value but all can be picked up for about the same price nullifying that argument and wow its a little sharper than the standard clio and 208 (not the trophy or peugeot sport editions) but I couldn't give a damn. Would prefer the nicer interior and comfort in my relative old age haha

[Ross]

Yep the much despised gearbox that makes the car faster. Same type that's in many a supercar and other hot hatches yet apparantly is rubbish in a clio even though it shifts in 150ms in race mode.

What idiot thought of that lol

To be fair, there's a HUGE difference between the EDC gearbox and a supercar gearbox. You're surely not putting them in the same category? EDC vs (a proper) Getrag? Not even in the same league.

[rey]

Yep the much despised gearbox that makes the car faster. Same type that's in many a supercar and other hot hatches yet apparantly is rubbish in a clio even though it shifts in 150ms in race mode.

What idiot thought of that lol

It's not the same at all though is it? The only similarity is that you've got paddles stuck to a steering wheel. I've had paddles, they get boring, very quickly.

And what a lovely shift time that is, apparently my old DSG box's shift time was ~0.1s (not sure I believe that). I seem to remember reading plenty of criticism about how slow the shifts were in the Clio, even in race mode.

But then it's got a 'race' mode, so I imagine you're creaming your pants.

[Ross]

But then it's got a 'race' mode, so I imagine you're creaming your pants.

Snorted my ribena reading that :D

[hard_corejoeboy]

150ms is still faster than you are ever going to shift manually anyway. I'm not too bothered about that I just think it's cool that it rev matches the downshifts which would actually make it better than a manual on track as you can just left foot brake and forget about trying to heel and toe etc and just concentrate on lines etc

Fact is without test driving it against say the pug it's pretty meaningless debating about it

[hard_corejoeboy]

It's not the same at all though is it? The only similarity is that you've got paddles stuck to a steering wheel. I've had paddles, they get boring, very quickly.

And what a lovely shift time that is, apparently my old DSG box's shift time was ~0.1s (not sure I believe that). I seem to remember reading plenty of criticism about how slow the shifts were in the Clio, even in race mode.

But then it's got a 'race' mode, so I imagine you're creaming your pants.

The similarities don't just end there. The actual paddles themselves are off a Nissan GTR.

[hard_corejoeboy]

To be fair, there's a HUGE difference between the EDC gearbox and a supercar gearbox. You're surely not putting them in the same category? EDC vs (a proper) Getrag? Not even in the same league.


No course I'm not saying they are the same. The box is made by get rag though lol

[deano_123]

Does it come with the supercar price tag of circa 10k when it needs a clutch or do you just throw the car away and start again?

My Range Rover has paddles, Nurburgring here I come

[rey]

The similarities don't just end there. The actual paddles themselves are off a Nissan GTR.

No way?! Fuck that's changed my mind, it must be a race car! :wall:

The fact remains, it's a poor version of something that could have been very good. When a shift feels slow in an automatic, especially after you've pulled on a paddle for it to happen, it's the most frustrating thing in the world.

A good DCT is worth having imo, but the one in the clio isn't.

[rey]

No course I'm not saying they are the same. The box is made by get rag though lol

You sure about that? Fairly sure it's Renaults own box..

[Ross]

Yeah they're a getrag box in the Clio. But like the noble has mondeo parts innit.

[SimpleJoee]

Yeah they're a getrag box in the Clio. But like the noble has mondeo parts innit.

Don't, you've now dragged fucking Brett into this with the Mondeo part...

[hard_corejoeboy]

Everyone's saying it's shit cos every reviewer says it is. The actual owners all seem to be happy with the car.

[Ashleyp]

if you're serious - go and book some bloody test drives man...

I'm sure you've made what car threads before, to no avail.

[hard_corejoeboy]

Not sure I have Ashleyp. But i will do. I'm trying to be sensible and find something that's going to last me and be fun for as little as possible.

[rey]

Yeah they're a getrag box in the Clio. But like the noble has mondeo parts innit.

I see.. fairly irrelevant then really :homme:

[deano_123]

Everyone's saying it's shit cos every reviewer says it is. The actual owners all seem to be happy with the car.

Mongoloids like playdoh though

[D4MJT]

I'm not too bothered about that I just think it's cool that it rev matches the downshifts which would actually make it better than a manual on track as you can just left foot brake and forget about trying to heel and toe etc and just concentrate on lines etc

I actually laughed when I read this.

The following post about them being GTR paddles was just the cherry on the cake.

[D4MJT]

I'm not too bothered about that I just think it's cool that it rev matches the downshifts which would actually make it better than a manual on track as you can just left foot brake and forget about trying to heel and toe etc and just concentrate on lines etc

I actually laughed when I read this.

The following post about them being GTR paddles was just the cherry on the cake.

[D4MJT]

I'm not too bothered about that I just think it's cool that it rev matches the downshifts which would actually make it better than a manual on track as you can just left foot brake and forget about trying to heel and toe etc and just concentrate on lines etc

I actually laughed when I read this.

The following post about them being GTR paddles was just the cherry on the cake.

[D4MJT]

I'm not too bothered about that I just think it's cool that it rev matches the downshifts which would actually make it better than a manual on track as you can just left foot brake and forget about trying to heel and toe etc and just concentrate on lines etc

I actually laughed when I read this.

The following post about them being GTR paddles was just the cherry on the cake.

[Jizanthapus]

Holy quadruple post!

This thread makes an awesome bedtime read, sends me right off to sleep.

You bought owt yet?

[Jizanthapus]

Holy quadruple post!

This thread makes an awesome bedtime read, sends me right off to sleep.

You bought owt yet?

[MuZiZZle]

150ms is still faster than you are ever going to shift manually anyway. I'm not too bothered about that I just think it's cool that it rev matches the downshifts which would actually make it better than a manual on track as you can just left foot brake and forget about trying to heel and toe etc and just concentrate on lines etc


What are you on about man?

Aren't you terrible?

I'm pretty sure your Megane will be used for going to Asda and maybe hassling Corsas down dual carriageways

Sort your life out for gods sake, I hope this is just an internet persona and you're not this tragic in real life

[L33h]

Harsh hahhaha

[Ashleyp]

Sort your life out for gods sake, I hope this is just an internet persona and you're not this tragic in real life

best thing posted on here in years man, hahaha.

[hard_corejoeboy]

I actually laughed when I read this.

The following post about them being GTR paddles was just the cherry on the cake.

I'm glad your amused. I haven't said anything that motoring journalists haven't said. Guess Chris Harris and the like are all wrong and the trolls om saxp are clearly right.


Pfft. Jog on the lot of ya!

[Stissy]

The highlight for me has been when joeboy described driving a BMW was: “like driving a higher power rwd transit can” .

[SimpleJoee]

The highlight for me has been when joeboy described driving a BMW was: “like driving a higher power rwd transit can” .

Matt also loved that one :homme:

[deano_123]

Pfft. Jog on the lot of ya!

To save us all the task, couldn't you just jog on?

[rey]

I'm glad your amused. I haven't said anything that motoring journalists haven't said. Guess Chris Harris and the like are all wrong and the trolls om saxp are clearly right.


Pfft. Jog on the lot of ya!

Serious question, how many times have you been on a proper trackday? Not a 20 minute session or something, but a full day?

Also,

What are you on about man?

Aren't you terrible?

I'm pretty sure your Megane will be used for going to Asda and maybe hassling Corsas down dual carriageways

Sort your life out for gods sake, I hope this is just an internet persona and you're not this tragic in real life

Harsh, but I lol'd

[hard_corejoeboy]

Nurburgring (twice)
Brands Hatch (twice)
Snetterton
Bedford Sw Circuit

[rey]

Over the last how many years?

[hard_corejoeboy]

I can see where this is headed. ..

Interestingly I've been putting all the car's into carwow.Co.uk to see who is doing the best deals and VW have come up tops with their 2015 Polo GTI and to be honest it seems to fit the bill very nicely.

47mpg
£110 tax
0-60 6.7
147mph top speed
Practical

[MuZiZZle]

Oh, it's for your nan?

[hard_corejoeboy]

Nope. I've decided I want a small, fast, economical, practical hot hatch that's going to spend most of its time on the road than track.

Choices

Seat Ibiza Cupra
Polo GTI
208 GTI
Corsa VXR
Clio 200 turbo
Abart 500 (unlikely)

[hard_corejoeboy]

The tough bit now is deciding which one and also whether I'm going to buy outright, nearly new, new or used.

[hard_corejoeboy]

Oh, it's for your nan?

Only Nans drive saxo's nowadays bud. Oh and people that build track cars and then decide they need track tuition afterwards ;)

[MuZiZZle]

Only Nans drive saxo's nowadays bud. Oh and people that build track cars and then decide they need track tuition afterwards ;)


:homme:

[Ross]

Oh and people that build track cars and then decide they need track tuition afterwards ;)

Which is EXACTLY the way to get faster. Obviously you're such a fucking weapon on track you don't need tuition at all.

Alright Lewis, calm down. I've been driving on trackdays for 20 years, and still get tuition as often as I can (1/2 day private tuition just 3 weeks ago for example). There is NO better investment in going faster - at all.

You're a fucking mong sometimes tbh.

[rey]

I can see where this is headed. ..

Interestingly I've been putting all the car's into carwow.Co.uk to see who is doing the best deals and VW have come up tops with their 2015 Polo GTI and to be honest it seems to fit the bill very nicely.

47mpg
£110 tax
0-60 6.7
147mph top speed
Practical

I do find it amusing that you've been going on and on about cars being quick on track etc, haven't done a load of track time, and are now considering the dullest warm hatch on sale.

Choices

Seat Ibiza Cupra
Polo GTI
208 GTI
Corsa VXR
Clio 200 turbo
Abart 500 (unlikely)

No Megane? I thought they were the greatest thing on four wheels to have graced this planet?

Also, no ST? Far better than the Polo GTI, and the Clio for that matter.

[rey]

Which is EXACTLY the way to get faster. Obviously you're such a fucking weapon on track you don't need tuition at all.


Didn't you see the video of the 106 on the roundabout?

Joe was born with talent - he doesn't need tuition, he taught Lewis all he knows :wall:

[hard_corejoeboy]

Which is EXACTLY the way to get faster. Obviously you're such a fucking weapon on track you don't need tuition at all.

Alright Lewis, calm down. I've been driving on trackdays for 20 years, and still get tuition as often as I can (1/2 day private tuition just 3 weeks ago for example). There is NO better investment in going faster - at all.

You're a fucking mong sometimes tbh.

I was taking the piss at him building a track car up and then deciding he needed tuition afterwards!

[hard_corejoeboy]

A fiesta ST is completely out of the question.

Looks dull, there's about 3 down my road and I see them everywhere. The interior is also not to my tastes and it's a Ford.

Interestingly Seat are offering me a new Ibiza Cupra (1.8 turbo engine) for a smudge over 15k which is something not to be sniffed at as like you say I'm not an experienced driver and don't need something as hardcore as the Fiesta ;)

[Synister]

I've a buddy with a 2015 Fiesta ST. He has most of the mountune catalogue on it and a few things from Cobb Motorsport and it's honestly the most enjoyable 'new hot hatch' I've been in in the last decade.

[hard_corejoeboy]

I don't doubt that. However I don't want a rock hard ride and to be driving around in the same car as every other person on the road.

[tokyodrifte]

The tough bit now is deciding which one and also whether I'm going to buy outright, nearly new, new or used.

How have you made any decisions in life?

[rey]

A fiesta ST is completely out of the question.

Looks dull, there's about 3 down my road and I see them everywhere. The interior is also not to my tastes and it's a Ford.

Interestingly Seat are offering me a new Ibiza Cupra (1.8 turbo engine) for a smudge over 15k which is something not to be sniffed at as like you say I'm not an experienced driver and don't need something as hardcore as the Fiesta ;)

On a serious point, might be worth getting a quote from these guys Coast2coastcars (http://www.coast2coastcars.co.uk/car-quote/), they can usually get discounts, but I don't think they cover all manufacturers - never know though.

And for someone as masterful as you Joe, it doesn't matter what car you decide to eventually, maybe, possibly, never buy, it will still be owned & driven by you. Therefore, it will be the most bestest car in the world.

[Brettles1986]

Oh, it's for your nan?

If only I could thank you in this section.

[hard_corejoeboy]

This thread is amusing in that I can drop in quotes from motoring journos and the like and no one has picked up on it yet is readily criticising them with their expert opinions LOL

At the end of the day it's my choice. There's not been much in the way of help on this thread compared to an actual decent club like CSOC where said owners of these cars have been giving actual useful advice.

I guess this is saxp though what did I expect

[Stissy]

Choices
Seat Ibiza Cupra


Yep. Best car ever made, ever. Blows the M3 out of the water. I’d even go as far to say it’s better than the Clio.

[SimpleJoee]

That's because the lads over on CS don't know what you're like on here :homme:

[Dany4494]

Wtf is with these choices, would probably rather have genital warts all over my face than half of the cars on your list, I'd be thinking more:

MK5 Edition 30
S3
E46 M3

Or jdm teg change in pocket go on holiday happy days

[Stissy]

Wtf is with these choices, would probably rather have genital warts all over my face than half of the cars on your list, I'd be thinking more:

MK5 Edition 30
S3
E46 M3

Or jdm teg change in pocket go on holiday happy days

Careful, Ashleyp might pipe up claiming that “the M3 has more power, is RWD and has much more gadgets” but, that does that define it as the better car in this situation. ;).

[hard_corejoeboy]

Wtf is with these choices, would probably rather have genital warts all over my face than half of the cars on your list, I'd be thinking more:

MK5 Edition 30
S3
E46 M3

Or jdm teg change in pocket go on holiday happy days

MK5 GOLF...Expensive to buy and run not very new. May as well get another Clio Cup 200

S3 Generic boring German hatchback.
E46 M3... a lot of money for an old car. Expensive to buy and run.

Integra...getting on a bit now. Out of date technology, no torque, Jap interior high running costs

[hard_corejoeboy]

No one is actually listing any of the things that I've said I want from a car. Okay so the title is a bit redundant seeing as my circumstances have changed but I don't think it's crazy that I'm basically after a fairly quick hatchback thats cheap to run.

[SimpleJoee]

S3 Generic boring German hatchback.


Why do you want a Generic boring French hatchback then? I would 100% get the S3 over a 225/R26 without a shadow of doubt.

[hard_corejoeboy]

Where have you been? I'm looking at new or nearly new supermini hot hatches now!

[Ashleyp]

let's cut to the chase...

you've not got 12k to spend. stick with the clio.

[Ashleyp]

Careful, Ashleyp might pipe up claiming that “the M3 has more power, is RWD and has much more gadgets” but, that does that define it as the better car in this situation. ;).

you're in the same boat as HardcoreJoeboy. in fact, his sig applys to you to.

[L33h]

You're all jokes

[SimpleJoee]

None of them are a VTS.

//thread

[MuZiZZle]

Which is EXACTLY the way to get faster. Obviously you're such a fucking weapon on track you don't need tuition at all.

Alright Lewis, calm down. I've been driving on trackdays for 20 years, and still get tuition as often as I can (1/2 day private tuition just 3 weeks ago for example). There is NO better investment in going faster - at all.

You're a fucking mong sometimes tbh.

I'd written this basically, but couldn't be arsed anymore!

What a knacker

[hard_corejoeboy]

let's cut to the chase...

you've not got 12k to spend. stick with the clio.

Well technically I have 105k to spend but I think the missus would go rather nuts if I did that ;)

[deano_123]

I don't doubt that. However I don't want a rock hard ride and to be driving around in the same car as every other person on the road.

Your list of mediocre-ness is predominantly what is seen on todays roads

I would be interested by a 208 GTi though only for the connection to the original 205

[Ashleyp]

Well technically I have 105k to spend but I think the missus would go rather nuts if I did that ;)

If you had money to spend, and were serious about buying you'd have booked some test drives and be considering a purchase by now.

there's 12 pages of fairly valuable advice from lots of perspectives here spanning the last 3 and a half weeks.

I'd not been on here in ages, so gave you the benefit of the doubt and offered some advice having owned / driven quite a few of the cars mentioned here

You're still the same joke though, I shouldn't have bothered.

[L33h]

is this seriously still going. wtf

[hard_corejoeboy]

Your list of mediocre-ness is predominantly what is seen on todays roads

I would be interested by a 208 GTi though only for the connection to the original 205

Funny as I've hardly seen any of the car's mentioned.

I've seen one Clio 200 edc (they came out in 2013)
One 208 gti
A few Corsa VXR's
No Polo Gti's or Seats

And of course countless Fiesta ST's. In fact if wager I've seen one on every journey I've taken in the last year.

There's no point taking any test drives right at this pretty is moment in time as I'm pretty busy with a marriage and a house move although youtube and Google reviews have probably given me more idea of what i'll be getting than Internet opinions.

Chances are i'll likely go for the Polo or the Seat unless the Clio or Peugeot can be had cheaper.

[Jizanthapus]

Chances are i'll likely go for the Polo or the Seat unless the Clio or Peugeot can be had cheaper.

I can't believe we've ended up at a fucking Polo.

Isn't this thread more about you waving your willy about because you have a lump of money to spend?

[hard_corejoeboy]

What because I mentioned it once as it was implied that I didn't actually have the cash? ;)

I also can't stop looking at the new Abarth 595 Competizione's. Look like a right laugh of a car. 180 bhp in a tiny little sabelt seat, koni damper, brembo brake wearing car has got to be a blast!

[deano_123]

What because I mentioned it once as it was implied that I didn't actually have the cash? ;)

I also can't stop looking at the new Abarth 595 Competizione's. Look like a right laugh of a car. 180 bhp in a tiny little sabelt seat, koni damper, brembo brake wearing car has got to be a blast!

They're 160, the anniversaries are 180 but come with a 25k+ price tag. I like the look of them and they sound sweet going all out. 12k gets a low mile 160 version but then what are they likely to be worth in 5 years?

Polo will be decent and come with the usual VW build quality but I find VW's get stale and boring quite quickly. I was quickly bored with my old mk5 GTI, there was nothing wrong with it and it did everything I asked of it, quick enough to with 280 bhp, but it was just a bit meh

[hard_corejoeboy]

Thats what I'm worried about.

The new 595 competizones come with stainless monza exhaust, koni's, brembo and sabelt seats and 180bhp.

Best offer is 18.6k on carwow

[hard_corejoeboy]

The vw and particularly the seat seem the most sensible choice. Cheaper too.

I've also yet to weigh up what I'm potentially doing is even worth it as all the car's I've listed aren't exactly leagues ahead of my current 172 (apart from interior and warranty etc)

So far the abarth stands out as being the most special and exclusive looking. 500's also hold their value well and the 595 could potentially gain me money if I were to keep it for a very long time. Maybe.

[rey]

I've also yet to weigh up what I'm potentially doing is even worth it as all the car's I've listed aren't exactly leagues ahead of my current 172 (apart from interior and warranty etc)

You're joking right?

So far the abarth stands out as being the most special and exclusive looking. 500's also hold their value well and the 595 could potentially gain me money if I were to keep it for a very long time. Maybe.

It won't.

[Stissy]

Chances are i'll likely go for the Polo or the Seat unless the Clio or Peugeot can be had cheaper.

If you’re looking to spend £12k on a modern hot hatch, then the Ibiza Cupra may be a really good shout. It’s small, well priced, relatively quick, well equipped (xenons as standard,17-inch alloys, heated seats were a common extra etc) and it’s basically a polo, just without the VW premium price tag. I’m a big fan of the Seat styling too. They have a lot more flare than VWs. I bought the Mk4 Cupra back in 2010 and it was a really good car.

[Gandi699]

to be fair all those cars listed arent light years ahead of a 172 when standard. Yes they will be able to offer extra power more easily and be quicker but then this brings into question why you want to spend 12k on moving up slightly from your current 172?
For 12k outlay I'd want a massive change in what i'm driving rather than moving on to a slightly quicker hot hatch but thats just me

[hard_corejoeboy]

Yeah i've thought this too but I don't particularly want or need anything bigger or different. I like the fun that comes with small cars. That said these are in a different era of small turbocharged engines so if anything it's probably going to be more fun!

Abarth competizione is high on the list sounds so so good for what it is ..a fiat!

[hard_corejoeboy]

On the downside I'm going to have to wait even longer as the person buying my house ha clearly never done it before and is taking their sweet fucking time to get things sorted! Same last time as well. Fucking people!

[Ashleyp]

On the downside I'm going to have to wait even longer as the person buying my house ha clearly never done it before and is taking their sweet fucking time to get things sorted! Same last time as well. Fucking people!

Irony.

[SimpleJoee]

Irony.

http://i.imgur.com/CZGZOMA.png

[hard_corejoeboy]

Haha you managed to be amusing this one time rather than outright boring lol

[deano_123]

Haha you managed to be amusing this one time rather than outright boring lol

Quality not quantity

[rey]

At the end of the day it's my choice. There's not been much in the way of help on this thread compared to an actual decent club like CSOC where said owners of these cars have been giving actual useful advice.

I guess this is saxp though what did I expect

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s183/reymatt/2E62E69F-0AC7-4ADD-9F88-2CB1B65F47CB_zps08jlhi8s.png (http://s152.photobucket.com/user/reymatt/media/2E62E69F-0AC7-4ADD-9F88-2CB1B65F47CB_zps08jlhi8s.png.html)

What was that about CSOC again Joe..