What do I buy? *CHOICE*

[Karl]

I have up to 3k to spend.
I drive to work (motorway miles) 26 miles a day and enjoy driving my car @ night with friends. So on average I do about 8-12,000 miles a yr.

Heres the choice:

Saxo VTS mk2 (lowest mileage of the 3 - newest registration too)
Pug 106 GTi (Dont get as lower miles or newness for the same price as a Sax)
Starlet GT Turbo (Turbo - reliable or not?)

I'm 18 nrly 19

Insurance Quotes:
VTS - $1229 Admiral $1251 Bell.co.uk
GTi - $1108 Admiral $1105 Bell.co.uk
GT Turbo - $1123 Admiral $1195 Bell.co.uk


post what you think...
<3 Starlet GT Turbo's in White though.

Starlet also has the most performance mods easily available as it is already Turbo'd. but I dont know how un-reliable it will be?

[lovinmysaxo]

all three are crap, why not go for a standard classy car.......like a audi A3. you then know u have style class and a fucking good car......means u have to save a little more but in the long run u will be much better off!!!!

[CampDavid]

all three are crap, why not go for a standard classy car.......like a audi A3. you then know u have style class and a fucking good car......means u have to save a little more but in the long run u will be much better off!!!!

I drove an A3 once and nearly fell asleep.

VTS. Cheaper than the 106. Though if you can get a deal on a good 106, go for it

[sshaxx]

I'd go for the starlet mate. at the end of the day you'll be driving it so get something you want. just be prepared for things to go wrong

[kingkarl]

dont listen 2 him. a3 wen ur 19 ur talkin rubbish m8, if i was you m8 i would go for a vts cuz the gti and becomim quite popular, and i dont knw about the starlet, its old isnt it? have they been well looked after?

[DarylVTR]

Id say the VTS although be very careful with what your buying as they have often been thrashed and give you 1001 problems but then again thats the same with any car i guess.

Can you efford the insurance / petrol on a VTS? i cant get insured on a VTS and im 19 with 2 years ncb!!

[Leo]

out of the 3 id go for the gti although i know nothing about the scarlet but not too keen on the looks. is there any more cars you have looked into? golf gti? civic vti? etc

[Leo]

Id say the VTS although be very careful with what your buying as they have often been thrashed and give you 1001 problems but then again thats the same with any car i guess.

Can you efford the insurance / petrol on a VTS? i cant get insured on a VTS and im 19 with 2 years ncb!!

confused.com

[DarylVTR]

ok you can get insurance but it isnt cheap.........

I wouldnt go third party fire and theft again.

VTS's are very fast but entail all the problems of a saxo , i.e rattly as fuck, weak engines etc.

Id prob go for the 106 GTI as you get goodies like leather interior and they are less common.

[hesslevtr]

gti or starlet for me

[sean_rae]

i would probly pick the 106 GTi for the same reson as darylVTR half leather trim and there isnt as many GTi'sas the sax, plus they hold there price stupidly well, but you dont get a sun roof!

but the do have all the problems as a VTs as there the same car realy !

[Karl]

yes I can afford the insurance, infact when I use confused It is like $50 difference between a Sax 1.1 desire and a VTS :p

Starlet Is Turb'd so; that is ideally what I want.
However so is a new car...
Starlet is grp 11 insurance which is k..

but where its a turb, unreliable?

106 GTi just seems to pricey for EXACTLY the same car as an S

[Karl]

all three are crap, why not go for a standard classy car.......like a audi A3. you then know u have style class and a fucking good car......means u have to save a little more but in the long run u will be much better off!!!!

cant afford, hence the 3k limit and the choice of the 3 cars im stuck between

[Karl]

ok you can get insurance but it isnt cheap.........

I wouldnt go third party fire and theft again.

VTS's are very fast but entail all the problems of a saxo , i.e rattly as fuck, weak engines etc.

Id prob go for the 106 GTI as you get goodies like leather interior and they are less common.


their engines are weak?
thought it was just gearbox?

[Karl]

anyone know anything about starlets?

[Leo]

All i have heard about a starlet is they are fast, wonder if they are faster than a vts? anyone?

[Danes_SaxoVTR]

vts or gti for me mate!

[craigy_87]

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f68/craigy_87/DSCF0812.jpg
i'd love a starlet but am not sure on reliablility it probz depends on its mileage and age.

*thanks goes to leckie for the pic*
craigy

[Baz]

GTi personally from them 3

[Leo]

dont like the look of that gt at all, gti m8

[lovinmysaxo]

AGAIN, there all a pile of shit......and were are thinking on a long term basis here...and as we all know the citroen or shitroen as some of u call it are a pile...despite looking nice they cost a bomb shell and the problems...well lets not start on them!!! the GTi is pretty much a poor mans version of the VTS so lets not go there either....and well turbo?? come on money money money and uless u going out after midnight to earn some hard cash dont even bother!!!!! Trust me find a reliable car stick some huge rims on it and your sorted.....but hey choice is yours

[Karl]

hmmmm; big rims just for the sake of it?
what is the point.
I take it you drive an A3?

[Karl]

VTS booktime is like 7 seconds something
standard starlet gt turb is 6.8

[Chris_VTS]

Can you efford the insurance / petrol on a VTS? i cant get insured on a VTS and im 19 with 2 years ncb!!


Are you sure? i was 19 with 0 years no claims on a saxo vts so i find that hard to believe mate.

[Chris_VTS]

AGAIN, there all a pile of shit......and were are thinking on a long term basis here...and as we all know the citroen or shitroen as some of u call it are a pile...despite looking nice they cost a bomb shell and the problems...well lets not start on them!!! the GTi is pretty much a poor mans version of the VTS so lets not go there either....and well turbo?? come on money money money and uless u going out after midnight to earn some hard cash dont even bother!!!!! Trust me find a reliable car stick some huge rims on it and your sorted.....but hey choice is yours

Mate, why dont you give it a rest. A gti a poor mans vts lol. you are talking absolute shite. The guy is asking what we think he should buy, not what you think is shit and poor etc. if you have nothing productive to say, just shut up.

[lovinmysaxo]

touchy.....the macam likes to talk shit......serious, why do people retun with such bad and retarded comments?? i give my advice as u all do....and whether u like it or not is no reason to become aggresive!!!! so......in reply, i wont give it a rest i WILL continue to speak my mind......and just for the sake of annoying you it is a shit car!!!

[Chris_VTS]

well, you just keep doing that. Your making a prick of yourself.

[knoxy_05]

if i was you it would have to be the gt can get sum silly power out of those things which would put many things to shame. but would love a vts

as for insurance am 19 with 1 yrs no claims 6 points and i can get insured on a vts tft
for £1100 but cnt afford to run one at the min

[Karl]

lovinmysaxo, why did you buy a Sax if they are all that bad? :/

[lovinmysaxo]

again......poor return comment.....u need to grow up!! this is a discussion not an argument.

[Karl]

starlet = power
sax = looks and slightly less power

[Karl]

lovinmysaxo i didnt comment I asked you why you bought one, which imo is a discussion

[Chris_VTS]

sorry mate, cant be bothered to argue with you. Stop crying.

[Karl]

Chris_VTS, I take it you think VTS is the best buy or a GTi?
:)

[lovinmysaxo]

i bought it coz it was cheap.....dont have it any more though...as u age the reasons for tuning your car seem to diminish......and yes i now drive an A3.
And just to clarify things, yes this is my meaning and the reason being it all costs money.....so why waste your money on something u will sell over 2 years time?? like i satarted to say at the begining buy a decent car (dont haveto be an A3) but something that will last.....and stick some wheels on it. And yeah wheels....they make a standard car stand out!!!! So now u can all see my point of view.....agree/disagree dont bother me too much.!!!

[Karl]

i bought it coz it was cheap.....dont have it any more though...as u age the reasons for tuning your car seem to diminish......and yes i now drive an A3.
And just to clarify things, yes this is my meaning and the reason being it all costs money.....so why waste your money on something u will sell over 2 years time?? like i satarted to say at the begining buy a decent car (dont haveto be an A3) but something that will last.....and stick some wheels on it. And yeah wheels....they make a standard car stand out!!!! So now u can all see my point of view.....agree/disagree dont bother me too much.!!!


ok well this is fair enough. thankyou for your views.
just try not to be so aggressive and calling other cars "shit" etc, its bound to cause arguments mate.

[Karl]

oh yeah that pic of a Starlet is the Starlet Glanza turb 95 and onwards, I thinks I would be getting the older version? cheaper and not restricted through first and second gear.

[l1ukeRS]

fuck off the saxo site then lovin my saxo , whats the point in slating the saxo on a saxo owners club website, have a look around mate and see if you can find a cammed up vts or gti
mods like that insurance companys dont really need to knoe about they aint gonna disect it if u write it off, but its up to you

id go with the gti but only cuz i have a saxo now and fancy a change

[Karl]

if I was to buy a Sax or a Pug, id look for a standard one most likely.

[xclairex]

touchy.....the macam likes to talk shit......serious, why do people retun with such bad and retarded comments?? i give my advice as u all do....and whether u like it or not is no reason to become aggresive!!!! so......in reply, i wont give it a rest i WILL continue to speak my mind......and just for the sake of annoying you it is a shit car!!!

So what do you drive then?

Sorry to edit just read the rest so you drive an audi a3???

If you think saxo's are so wank?? why you on a saxo forum

[Karl]

So what do you drive then?

he drives an A3

[Chris_VTS]

hahaha, so u think that buying a boring car and putting wheels on it makes it better than a saxo vts or pug gti? you have your head in the clouds mate.

[rushy_23]

but you dont get a sun roof!

I got a sunroof on my GTi!! Might have it removed when i get the arial removed though.


the Gti is a poor mans VTS

LMAO!!! LMAO!! Man you have got to be the funniest guy ever on the site mate. Hahahahahahaha.

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Say something else funny and intelligent!!

[xclairex]

he drives an A3

yeah so i read, :homme:I edited my post lol never read the whole thread

[Karl]

106s are alot more than Saxos :/ dont get where he got that info from.

[CampDavid]

My VTS has done around 27k this year and a bunch of track sessions. Its had a couple of minor faults, nothing more than the average though. A VTS is a faster car than every A3 upto the S3 and more exciting to drive than all of them (S3 is a dull car. Fact)

While I see the appeal of an A3 as a daily car to go to work in, its not a car to drive. You can bung some big wheels on it and then it won't ride well and loose all its refinment, which is the only thing it ever had going for it in the first place.

Your choice is either the starlet, a Mk2 Y plate VTS or an early 106 GTI. The only one out of them I'd go near is the VTS

[lovinmysaxo]

serious, non of u are getting the point. The saxo although it looks nice...it drives like a 25 year old bus and the problems u get with them cost u the world to get fixed!! Can non of u seem to grasp that point?? I mean how many times have we heard someone on here say "hey there is something wrong with my saxo" ?? or "oh the insurance on the VTS/VTR is to much so i had to go for the 1.1 version" Why fork out so much money then if u all know there are gonna be problems?? Stick to a good car something reliable!!!

[Chris_VTS]

see mate, its all backfiring on you know. just get out of this forum if u hate saxos so much.

[xclairex]

serious, non of u are getting the point. The saxo although it looks nice...it drives like a 25 year old bus and the problems u get with them cost u the world to get fixed!! Can non of u seem to grasp that point?? I mean how many times have we heard someone on here say "hey there is something wrong with my saxo" ?? or "oh the insurance on the VTS/VTR is to much so i had to go for the 1.1 version" Why fork out so much money then if u all know there are gonna be problems?? Stick to a good car something reliable!!!

you get problems with all cars! no car is reliable

[Karl]

appreciated the a3 is a well built car, but its no fun.

[xclairex]

anyway back to the subject i would go for the VTS!

[Karl]

Your choice is either the starlet, a Mk2 Y plate VTS or an early 106 GTI. The only one out of them I'd go near is the VTS

why Y reg? or did I say that? lol

[rushy_23]

But there are also people on the site that have not had many problems with them. My VTR was fine when I had that, all that needed over the year of ownership was a new coil pack.
Only thing to go wrong with my GTi so far is the front ABS sensors.

I kind of get what you mean, they are known for issues but tbh if you treat them with care you only get the same back.

And handling like a bus, sorry but IMO thats just silly, ive driven quite a few cars now modded and not modded. At Bus would definatly be the NEW corsa, they handle like shit. Saxos/106s (sportier models) do whether you like it or not handle extremly well.

[RickyP]

think you should try e-car insurance for your qoutes im 18 and i got 1300 wit my vtr fully comp....o n get the gti

[rushy_23]

Thing I dont get the most is your name is "lovinmysaxo" ????

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[Karl]

kay; dont know what to decide on >_< love all three.
whats the sexiest?
I think the Sax's looks but the turbo PSsssSsssT! might get the head turns...

[l1ukeRS]

serious, non of u are getting the point. The saxo although it looks nice...it drives like a 25 year old bus and the problems u get with them cost u the world to get fixed!! Can non of u seem to grasp that point?? I mean how many times have we heard someone on here say "hey there is something wrong with my saxo" ?? or "oh the insurance on the VTS/VTR is to much so i had to go for the 1.1 version" Why fork out so much money then if u all know there are gonna be problems?? Stick to a good car something reliable!!!

if i was 65 and had grandkids then that would be a good idea, but seein as they are a fun, nippy sporty hatch thats what we all buy into, not every1 can afford a german car, and if it breaks and we fix it, you get a sense of self achievemnt to add to the daily fun we get out of driving our saxo's

and the saxo looks much nicer too if you ask me

[Karl]

++++ Starlets have added shock factor of how quick they are :p

[lovinmysaxo]

ok its no fun......but there are more cars other than the A3......u all seem to slag i off coz i drive it.....but come on look at the long term situation....how long is a saxo gonna last u....or a GTi or even a starlet?? and fair comment all cars have problems but as u all say the saxo....or even french cars in general...all have more than most!!

And serious chris_VTS u really do need to get some verbal skills, your half cocked comments really bore me.....so please do as i do and be sociable!! We can all get there in the end...i mean i am a good example:D

[Karl]

P.s Claire1 your colour coded side strips look nice!

[xclairex]

P.s Claire1 your colour coded side strips look nice!

Thanks ::P:

[RickyP]

not bein funny but its sounds like u have made ur mind up but dont get 1 and the regret it cause that scarlet does look a little like shit lol i think u shud go wit the gti...

[Karl]

dont know what it is but i couldnt drive a silver sax without it being colour coded, the black side strips stand out 10 bajillion miles otherwise! :P

[Karl]

I love the fact the starlet is so powerful and turbo'd.
but I dont know tbh, i havent made my mind up at all.
just loving the starlet today thats all.

[RickyP]

lol o well

[Karl]

so many ppl love the GTi; what makes it so more appealing!?

[xclairex]

dont know what it is but i couldnt drive a silver sax without it being colour coded, the black side strips stand out 10 bajillion miles otherwise! :P

So many people have told me ive made a mistake getting it colour coded. IMO it looks alot better

[RickyP]

i think they look nice both ways just depends which u prefer ur self =D

[Hanuman]

cant see how the startlet is gonna be any worse on reliability than a bloody saxo or pug mate, i think the older shape to that silver starlet look ALOT better, starlet for me any day,

[Hanuman]

so many ppl love the GTi; what makes it so more appealing!?

theyv all got one / smaller engine version, so they are going to big up the car that they have,

[Chris_VTS]

mines colour coded. love it

[CampDavid]

I said a Y reg VTS at thats what 3k seems to buy :) You may of course get something newer for that, or indeed an old one, it was just an example.

[Hanuman]

cant see why people are rippin audi a3's if i had a choice of putting my money on into a vts or audi a3, black top of the rang model/engine, i would jummmmmp at the chance,

not been daft mate but asking on a saxo forum what car to pick ur bound to get people saying saxo, obviously, its down to what you think looks best, take into account reliability, whats the point in having a fast car but fixiing it every week, i would get the starlet if u cud get insured be DIFFERENT, how many saxo and pugs are driving about on the roads they all look the same bar a tiny badge saying vts or gti, i think the starlet looks good,

http://www.dragtimes.com/images/11005392020000000121.jpg

looks awsome that without a doubt

[Karl]

haha thanks guys; still where I started but ah well! :)
nice to know ppls opinions on cars :p

[Danr]

cant see why people are rippin audi a3's if i had a choice of putting my money on into a vts or audi a3, black top of the rang model/engine, i would jummmmmp at the chance,


And you could pick up a top of the range audi a3 for the same price as a vts *cough* bullshit* cough*

Go for the starlett imo matey. Has that gti you wanted gone then?

[Hanuman]

And you could pick up a top of the range audi a3 for the same price as a vts *cough* bullshit* cough*

Go for the starlett imo matey. Has that gti you wanted gone then?

are you for real! doesnt state it cost the same, it says if i was to put my money into a vts or audi id jump at the audi, ok for a begginer it means that if i had enough funds i would invest in an audi wouldnt waste it on the vts

[SteVTR]

so many ppl love the GTi; what makes it so more appealing!?


they are a little bit better built than the saxo and look better (thats why i'm getting one after i've got rid of my saxo)

i'd go for the gti or starlet mate,if you take some time and look really hard you could probally find a good gti for about the same money as a vts they do pop up now and again

as for the starlet if i was going to buy a turbo car i'd wait a few more years and get something with atleast 200 bhp to start with but thats my opinion