Whats the best rev range to keep a VTS in?

[VTS_16v_Boy]

While Im driving sportingly (with the speed limits . . . ) what is the best range to keep the revs within to get the most out of my VTS.

Ive got a open induction kit, 4branch manifold, sports cat and cat back exhaust so its a little bit more free revin than normal.

Thanx :clapping:

[mintminton]

between 3-5k i would say, keepin it in the middle of the range

[rushy_23]

3-5k would be ideal but best performance as standard is definatly in the range
of 4k to at least 6.5k. Thats when it really screams I find!

Isnt peak power/torque at 5.5k? Something like that.

[babers]

If i am haveing a bit of fun down a B road i keep it in 3rd at about 4k

[Japman]

i love 2nd gear,it puts me rite back in the seat lol

[don55]

Max. output
(DIN) 118.6 PS (117.0 bhp) (87.2 kW) @6600 rpm


Max. torque
(DIN) 145.0 Nm (107 lbft) (14.8 kgm) @5200 rpm

so id be keepint it between 5000rpm and the limiter

[Luke]

VTS kicks in after 3,500 and then like Rushy said peak performance is around 5,500 RPM.

I'd love one, but I'd keep it between 3 and 3.5k tbh.

[don55]

VTS kicks in after 3,500 and then like Rushy said peak performance is around 5,500 RPM.

I'd love one, but I'd keep it between 3 and 3.5k tbh.

are you on crack, kickin in at 3500, have you ever driven one, power comes in around 5.5k

[babers]

are you on crack, kickin in at 3500, have you ever driven one, power comes in around 5.5k

is it not 4.5k

[don55]

look at the data i posted.

i wait till about 5.5k before i stop it when in second, that puts you back in yuor seat alright.

[babers]

never knew that will keep the revs a bit higher now, lol,

[Japman]

4.5k to 5 k i notice the power kicking in,brings a smile to my face lol

[don55]

yup, dont be affraid of it lol, keep it in the arse and take it to the limiter every time, i only really hit the limiter on second, in 3rd you have a little more time to get a better shift.

i only have

4 branch
2 1/4" custom exhaust, side exit.
piperX panel filter

of curse were talking about track/private driving here, i dont drive like this all the time lol, jsut so there is no confision

[rushy_23]

i love 2nd gear,it puts me rite back in the seat lol

Yea 2nd gear is awesome, 1st gear is over in like 0.2seconds lol!


are you on crack, kickin in at 3500, have you ever driven one, power comes in around 5.5k

yea peak power is around 5.5 to 6k. But you cant say that there isnt any kick
at 4k to 4.5k!!
It still pulls hard at that rev range.
From what ive noticed from 4k it pulls hard, 5-6k is where the party is. This
will burn out just after 7k. No point reving it any more.

[Japman]

yea riteo mate lol bet ur always putting ur foot to the floor haha,i am

[babers]

only ever hit the limiter once and that was in first look me by surprise as i did not now the saxo had one lol.

last time i hit the limiter i snapped the rocker arm and spark plug got hit by the piston lol that was in a vauxhall tho

[rushy_23]

Nah dont bother tbh. Even at the lights whe n you know the man in his
suit wants to race in his company car vectra.
Whats the point? The lights down the bottom will only change to red later
lol!!

[don55]

on a vts???, it doesn't have any rockers !

no way does it burn out after 7k, it goes right up to the limit, and prob further.

yer thre is kick at 4.5k but thre is none at 3.5 lol

go out in your cars and let it idle along in 2nd gear, so your rolling at about 8mph, on a straight road, and then floor it, watch it go to 5kish and then go mental.

i have a vid but cant find it anywhere.

[hesslevtr]

id say from abou 4k - limiter

[don55]

rushy were talking about track driving, not traffic light grad prix's

[rushy_23]

rushy were talking about track driving, not traffic light grad prix's

Where in the thread did I state street racing and racing on a track.

Also all my comments were regarding a standard VTS.

Yea obviously the best point in the rev range is 5k-5.5k. But by that what your saying is around a track you hold the revs at this range constantly??

My point was regarding the best range mate. On a track you want to keep
the car in the best rev range. Yes I agree round a track 3.5k is no good
but imo the lowest you would want to drop the revs to will be around 4.5k.
That will still give you enough torque and keep the car pokey enough.

Finally as I stated the best power band will end at just over 7k on a standard
VTS. If you dont agree then slowly boot it in 1st or 2nd up to those sorts
of revs and you can actually feel that the amount of torque has dropped.

Why hold the revs so high is its not producing any more power

:bored:

[don55]

Nah dont bother tbh. Even at the lights whe n you know the man in his
suit wants to race in his company car vectra.
Whats the point? The lights down the bottom will only change to red later
lol!!


right thre you mentioned it lol.


But by that what your saying is around a track you hold the revs at this range constantly??


when did i say that, i said 5k to the limiter.

well as you say it dies out jsut after 7k, the limit is 7250, so its not far after, also if you have another corner coming up, no point shifting to 3rd, keep it it second to the limit, or back of a litle, it will save you time in the long run.

[rushy_23]

Yea fully agree mate,
round a track you constantly hold the revs up high in lower gears when required to keep the
speed around the track. Keep the car working.

I just didnt find your Grand Prix comment amusing. Obviously judging me
without even knowing me.
My mention of street racing was that i Dont do it, read it again mate.... If you dont get that then i can draw a pic on paint for you when
I get in from work tonight..

There was no mention of me street racing in this thread, and using that information to talk about
the VTS rev range.

[don55]

yer sorry, i did get the wrong end of your stick, and i applogise, i dont know you and dont judge you at all mate.

if you could do a picture, it would amuse me greatly lol.

[rushy_23]

No Worries :P

Will do mate, enjoy using paint! Will make it comic dont worry.

Lets get back to subject lol!

[don55]

dont know what else there is to talk about, 5k to the limiter :D

[Neil_H]

It's best to change gear just before the limiter, so dropping you straight back into the power band when changing up a gear.

[craig180]

Ideal time to change gear is just over the peak power. If your vts outputs 130bhp @ 6600 rpm then change at about 6800-6900. That way your next gear is closer to the power band.

As for the actual power band for your car mr 16v boy I would say you will get a kick at about 4k then feel the horses working overtime at about 5.5k

[rushy_23]

It's best to change gear just before the limiter, so dropping you straight back into the power band when changing up a gear.

In this man, I trust.

[don55]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v127/donsax/gif.jpg

[don55]

It's best to change gear just before the limiter, so dropping you straight back into the power band when changing up a gear.


thats quite a bold statement to make

do you actually know the rev drops per gear change, i have the info somewhere but cant find it

[Neil_H]

I have read the info on rev drops between gear changes, not sure off the top of my head though Don.

[craig180]

I have read the info on rev drops between gear changes, not sure off the top of my head though Don.

Easy way to overcome this is to keep on the throttle between gears or use something like the omex full throttle gear change and limiter. Also has a launch control system!!!

[Neil_H]

I just find that changing gear just before the limit seems to work for me.

[Japman]

yea me to neil i change just before the limit

[Neil_H]

Easy way to overcome this is to keep on the throttle between gears or use something like the omex full throttle gear change and limiter. Also has a launch control system!!!

Only problem with that mate is that you are putting extra stress on the g/box, and as well all know, they aren't the strongest of boxes.

[craig180]

Only problem with that mate is that you are putting extra stress on the g/box, and as well all know, they aren't the strongest of boxes.

Agreed but you are also putting strain on the box jumping up and down the revs.

My box has done about 70k and it does get abused occasionally. Would it not be the clutch that takes all the crap? I have a paddle clutch on mine which is either in or out. How would that affect the box? Asking now for my own piece of mind!:P

[don55]

why on gods great planet would you want to keep your foot on the gas when the clutch in pressed during a gear change, all it will do is bang of the limiter and then fry the clutch as you let it back up, the engine is doin 7250 and the gearbox, say goin into 2nd will be at 3000 something, by by clutch plate.

[don55]

anyway here is the data.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v127/donsax/bradlovesmen.gif

[rushy_23]

Wish I could see it, work sucks putting bans on websites!

Whats wrong with Photobucket!

[don55]

here is the link if it helps

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v127/donsax/bradlovesmen.gif

[Neil_H]

Don - I think i've come across all wrong when I posted. What I meant by changing just before the limiter is literally before or just as the limiter kicks in. I actually thought you meant I was changing gear to late when you posted, until I re-read your posts lol. Think i've got some vids somewhere when it was on std cams/limit and 708's/7.8k limit. I don't actually know where mine now makes peak power, but I use the same principle as I did when std.

[don55]

haha no worries mate

if you can time a change with one bang on the limiter in 2nd, thats about right, in third you should really be changing just before as you have more time to watch the needle, as its moving slightly slower

what management you running with the 708's i was looking at getting them too, from qep with a KMS standalone ecu, but don't really have the funds at the mo.

[Cupra-Craig]

Take it to the limiter every time thats what its there for stop been girls

[don55]

well its there to stop the engine over revving, but its not there to be a shift point.

[Neil_H]

I'm running std single plug ecu mapped by chipwizards. I was thinking of going standalone before I had it mapped, but as I have no intention of taking engine mods any further, I thought an ecu remap was the best way to go. 708's + KMS seem to be the mods of choice at the mo.

I've found a couple of speedo vids. First one is with just breathing mods, but is a bit pointless as you can't see the rev counter lol, although you can work out that i'm shifting near enough on the limiter. second vid is with cams + 7.8k limit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPZGEIyUMIY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aYtVkwQQuE

[alastairbax]

My 106 GTi (same engine as VTS) starts really going from 4500 all the way to the limiter (7250 rpm i think) no need to hit the limiter tho, just change at 7000

[rushy_23]

My 106 GTi (same engine as VTS) starts really going from 4500 all the way to the limiter (7250 rpm i think) no need to hit the limiter tho, just change at 7000

Safest bet for an everyday driver.
Works in the real world but I imagine this wouldnt be sufficient on a track.

[potatopete]

Good vids, Neil-H! Nice one...

[don55]

very good neil, swear that first one looks faster than my vts, but ive never recorded it.

[KamRacing]

shouldn't ever hit the limiter..

There is no point in revving past peak power as it gets you nowhere fast. If the resultant drop in rev drops you out the power band then need to look at changing to a shorter gearbox

[VTS_16v_Boy]

Safest bet for an everyday driver.
Works in the real world but I imagine this wouldnt be sufficient on a track.

Yep, Thanks Rushy - Id just like to remind people I asked for sportingly driving not out and out track driving as on the road its dangerous and you look like a total twit driving like your on a race track when your on the road :shock:

Thanks guys for all the info, basically 3.5k to 5k for the road - Advice taken :clapping:

[don55]

i drive like e total cunt on the raod, when its the right time and the right place, but i know my car and know how to drive it hard, safely

[Neil_H]

Yep, Thanks Rushy - Id just like to remind people I asked for sportingly driving not out and out track driving as on the road its dangerous and you look like a total twit driving like your on a race track when your on the road :shock:

Thanks guys for all the info, basically 3.5k to 5k for the road - Advice taken :clapping:

It won't be a very sportingly drive between 3.5-5k:P You'll be changing gear just as the funs about to begin:evil: :D:

[rushy_23]

:P

Lol agree Neil!

A sporty drive and driving on track are sort of hard to distinguish I say personally.
You want to play with the best rev range in both cases but on track there
would be no time for mistakes.

I think there are more issues then just the rev range to be taken into account. (the way the conversation has progressed)


When you say sporty drive do you just mean a bit quicker pace?

[VTS_16v_Boy]

:P

Lol agree Neil!

A sporty drive and driving on track are sort of hard to distinguish I say personally.
You want to play with the best rev range in both cases but on track there
would be no time for mistakes.

I think there are more issues then just the rev range to be taken into account. (the way the conversation has progressed)


When you say sporty drive do you just mean a bit quicker pace?

:oops: Yer I mean a bit quicker pace, within the limits of 1) the road (with other users, as its not a track) 2) the car (mild tuning and standard suspension) and finially 3) me (Im no Calos Siants)

I think there has to be a clean difference between animated drivin down a country B-Road and a Closed Track where you know nothing is going to pull out or jump out and if say you push it a bit past your limit and gravel trap is abit different to the car on its side in a ditch :P

[scotts]

probably very high up in the rev range this is when you will feel it the most, but your petrol consumption will be completely rubbish :)