Snapped Timing Belt 16 Valves Down!!!

[andyarmani]

My cars fooked. Timing Belt snapped on tues night after a short drive. Now after taking it to a garage and removing the head, I found out that all 16valves bounced.:n:

Can anyone give me any advice on wats the best plan of action to get my wheel back on the road?

I know its goin to cost me a piss load of money to get fixed but am i better lookin for a second hand engine or head to save me a bit of cash??

Any ideas any1

[woodsy]

depends if you have any damage to the head ... is the block and pistons ok

valves are really easy to replace ... get the head preasure tested for cracks and go from there

few people on here from glasgow ... sure they would help ya out

[andyarmani]

its in just now getting pressure tested at the moment, should hear back tomorrow. Any idea how much am looking at if its just the valves that need replacing??

[stevenet15]

would be cheapercto buy a complete used head rather then get urs tested and valves replaced, i seen them sell for £80 on ebay with valves and cams so u could jsut bolt it on and away u go as long as the bottom end is ok. i had a vts head for sale a few weeks ago but decided to keep it coz people were saying £80 for a complete vts head was 2 much :wacko:

[andyarmani]

Ive been told i could pay anything from 600 beans upwards. You still got that head for sale??

[stevenet15]

no sorry mate i decided to keep it for spares for my own car. it might be worth u buying a vts engiene then as £600 is alot adn if u only want the engine u can get vts engines for £350 without the gearbox, loom ecu etc...

[woodsy]

if your spanner happy its not a problem to fix matey

where bouts do you live ... i know a friend that has a garage in bishop briggs

2nd hand head with valves circ @ £80
new head set with bolts circ @ £30 +

then a day to get it back together

[stevenet15]

if u decide to do it yourself then one of my guides might help you, scrol down to where it sais headgasket

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65315

[SAM33R]

like others have said, check the head first, but how can you compression test it when it wont tick over as the valves are f*cked :S

i would just get a new head

[andyarmani]

woodsy can u pm me his number if you have it...just incase my heads fooked il give him a try

[stevenet15]

if your spanner happy its not a problem to fix matey

where bouts do you live ... i know a friend that has a garage in bishop briggs

2nd hand head with valves circ @ £80
new head set with bolts circ @ £30 +

then a day to get it back together



the cheapest vts head bolts are £20 for patent ones, patent headgasket is £35. genuine citroen headgasket kit is £190. genuine citroen cambelt is £38 and genuine idler and tesioner is £65

[SAM33R]

thats a BIG bill!

i feel bad for you mate :(

[andyarmani]

thats a BIG bill!

i feel bad for you mate :(

if your spanner happy its not a problem to fix matey

where bouts do you live ... i know a friend that has a garage in bishop briggs

2nd hand head with valves circ @ £80
new head set with bolts circ @ £30 +

then a day to get it back together

80 quids for the head then labour costs, still better than 600 quid

[woodsy]

woodsy can u pm me his number if you have it...just incase my heads fooked il give him a try

dont have his number but will find the name of the garage for you ...

clicky for head set (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PEUGEOT-106-206-GTI-CITROEN-SAXO-VTS-HEAD-GASKET-SET_W0QQitemZ320092530545QQcategoryZ10406QQssPageN ameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

clicky for head bolts (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PEUGEOT-106-206-GTI-CITROEN-SAXO-VTS-HEAD-BOLTS_W0QQitemZ320092530605QQcategoryZ10406QQssPag eNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

[Cupra-Craig]

I have a head for sale pm me with wat u need for a price

[andyarmani]

the head and valves i think. I duno what else il need just yet mate until the garage gets back to me. Could just be valve i need. I allready got a gasket set so ill get that done. Il get back to you if needed.

[stevenet15]

I have a head for sale pm me with wat u need for a price

if he is lucky enough to get a reply i sent 3 pms to you and u never replyed

[VTS123]

Just as a matter of interest, how long had it been since the belt was last changed?

Good luck with getting it going again

[andyarmani]

bumpety bump

[stevenet15]

i'm selling the spare vts cylinder head that i got now as i got a huge bill that i got to pay for, if ur interested pm me

[andyarmani]

Got news back today that the heads fine:y: but i need 16 vlaves and and 4 of the valve huides are nackered as well. Hmmm means nothing to me but I hear there quite expensive.

Pm Sent to stevenet15

[woodsy]

4 of the valve what are knackered ????

dont think 16 valves are that expensive to be fair

[andyarmani]

valve guides, sorry mate

[stevenet15]

pm sent back about the cylinder head

[Cupra-Craig]

i've got 16 valves spare mate if u need

[andyarmani]

pm me with the deatils,condition milage etc if ya can

cheers

[andyarmani]

Allright folks....need some advice. after all the problems with my car i now have the bill. £700!!! Thats for 16 new valves, 4 new valve guides, New timing belt back cover, new timing belt, 1 timing belt idler gear and head gasket set(which was mine) plus labour charges. Now the gypsie cunt cant give me any reciepts for any of the new parts for my SH but he's only goin to give me a reciept for the whole job. The stupid prick went and did the work without even telling me a price. I dont think this is fair. How do i no he hasnt just got a 2nd hand head from a scrappies and cleaned it up and threw it on my car. Should I have to pay him if he cant provide me with any of the reciepts for the parts? Please Help!!!

Cheers

[Sean]

no you don't have to pay him if he didn't give you a quote beforehand and did the work without you authorising it, or if he won't give you receipts for the parts. mention trading standards.

[johnny_vts]

Allright folks....need some advice. after all the problems with my car i now have the bill. £700!!! Thats for 16 new valves, 4 new valve guides, New timing belt back cover, new timing belt, 1 timing belt idler gear and head gasket set(which was mine) plus labour charges. Now the gypsie cunt cant give me any reciepts for any of the new parts for my SH but he's only goin to give me a reciept for the whole job. The stupid prick went and did the work without even telling me a price. I dont think this is fair. How do i no he hasnt just got a 2nd hand head from a scrappies and cleaned it up and threw it on my car. Should I have to pay him if he cant provide me with any of the reciepts for the parts? Please Help!!!

Cheers

This is always a contentious issue. A few questions for you:
1) Did you receive a written quote or an estimate before allowing the work to be undertaken?
2) Have you asked if OEM or equivalent parts have been used?

I would ask for documentary evidence that new parts were used, and cost. If the garage is not obliging then, basically, you have 2 courses of action:
a) You can ask for the work to be undone: i.e the garage to put the car back into the condition it was prior to them commencing work - they can refuse. If improvements have been made, the garage is entitled to exercise a lien over the car. This is a legal right to hold disputed goods until payment is made, in which case:
b) You can 'pay under protest' (i would advise that you do so with a credit card - the credit card company are then jointly liable). On the back of the credit card slip AND receipts mark: 'PAID UNDER PROTEST' - date and sign. The garage may be a member of a trade association with a conciliation, mediation or arbitration service which can help sort our your complaint. You may have to pay for using an arbitration service, but conciliation is usually free. Discuss the service offered with the trade association before committing yourself. You could also, as a last resort, take action in the County Court.

Before exercising either a) or b) it is best to speak to the garage owner. If you do decide to take further action make sure you do so by durable medium (i.e. letter or email).

Good luck...

no you don't have to pay him if he didn't give you a quote beforehand and did the work without you authorising it, or if he won't give you receipts for the parts. mention trading standards.

Not actually true - the garage doesn't have to give a quote before hand to expect payment. It could easily be argued that by leaving the car, that authorisation is given.

[R085_VTS]

What was the mileage on it mate ?

[andyarmani]

milage? it bout 56K? why?

[VTS123]

To be honest mate £700 is a good price for all that work. I paid over £300 two years ago just for a head gasket change on my VTS. Ask to see the old bits if you are worried he has just slapped a second hand head on. Is it all running nicely now?

[andyarmani]

To be honest mate £700 is a good price for all that work. I paid over £300 two years ago just for a head gasket change on my VTS. Ask to see the old bits if you are worried he has just slapped a second hand head on. Is it all running nicely now?


its running ok now. Revs are fluctuating a bit when idling?? any ideas wat this is any1? Also just noticed a big tear in the induction pipe from the the back of the airbox?:n: Any1 got a decent induction kit their selling?? pm me

[VTS123]

Fluctuating revs are a common fault, try a forum search. Mine does it sometimes. I think the idle control valve is the most common diagnosis, maybe try cleaning it. Haven't tried anything on mine yet.