Gordon Brown

[Saxology]

What do you think of him? Do you think he'll be a good Prime Minister?

[Scott]

still labour, still shit.

[Chris]

Idiot and No

[CampDavid]

Agree with both

[Leo]

nobody will ever be happy with who does the job, fact.

[Saxology]

Idiot and No

i wouldn't describe the guy as an idiot. he started uni at 15 or 16, graduated with a First at about 18 and finished his PhD by 21!!!!!!

[Chris]

i wouldn't describe the guy as an idiot. he started uni at 15 or 16, graduated with a First at about 18 and finished his PhD by 21!!!!!!

Sorry... you seem to have mistaken me for someone who cares what education he's had...... doesn't mean that the bloke isn't an idiot!!!

Chris :)

[Karl]

Fact, you cannot make everyone happy.

Whoever does it, someones gonna disagree with it.

[Jimbo]

I'd love to kick him in the face, what a feeling that would be.

[Saxology]

I'd love to kick him in the face, what a feeling that would be.

that's harsh!!!!

[Robb]

I'd love to kick him in the face, what a feeling that would be.



egg him

[saxstar]

Gordon Brown is a twat and makes a mint of our tax. Arsehole!!!

[Banger_VTR]

I'd love to kick him in the face, what a feeling that would be.


....lmao

[Ruddy]

Yeah egg the bitch like prescott, no he seems ok imo. Hes all smiles anyway. I dont give a monkeys about politics. Why bother.

[mick2404]

What i think of the bloke rhymes with "shop front"..... 4 letters..... beginning in C.... :)

[Tupps]

He's got a mean right hook tbh

[Ruddy]

He's got a mean right hook tbh

Thats Prescott tupps

[Tupps]

and this is why i dont follow politics.....

[Ryan21]

Thats Prescott tupps

Quality!

[Tupps]

Is this the clown that raised the price of everything we need?

[rick247247]

hes just a prick and thats all i can say

[Leo]

hes just a prick and thats all i can say

Don't normaly bother posting my thoughts but im bored.

Why is he a prick? and what would you do differerntly to whatevers made you feel hes a prick?

Just curios..

[vidal]

Why is he a prick? and what would you do differerntly to whatevers made you feel hes a prick?

Just curios..

Well said Leo. Forum politics conducted by the hard of thinking, I just love it.

The vast majority of you won't remember Margaret Thatcher. The vast majority of you won't even have heard of Black Wednesday or Norman Lamont. Ask any of the millions of 50 - 60 year old men in the former industrial heartlands who have never worked for the last 20 years whether a return to the Conservative government is something that would be tolerated. Many of these will feel the same way as Aneurin Bevan who famously said “No attempt at ethical or social seduction can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party . . . So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin.”

Now if you think everything is fine with the current lot, you are sadly mistaken. Mired in the middle East, loss of industrial and manufacturing base, etc. However, some of the criticism and arguments on here are the work of intellectual pygmies.

So petrol and beer have gone up a bit, road tax (for some people) is more expensive. So let's drop these, how would you raise the money necessary to run the country in a civilised manner?

Maybe stop funding herceptin, it's only breast cancer - they were going to die anyway, or what about funding foreign aid, I suppose another Live Aid is a good excuse to have a great concert. How about cutting the military? Walk away from our responsibilities (popular or not), should save enough to get petrol and income tax down.

Why not stop funding for the NHS in its entirety, all those hospitals and medics spending your hard earned money, ever seen health care in the USA for those without insurance?

I'm not sure what the answer is, or even who is best qualified to run the country. However I do know who I don't want.

[b0t13]

simple, legalise drugs and tax the arse off it,
put tax up loads on cigs, drop petrol prices and free insurance for life for me because it was my idea ;)

[Dave86]

Is this the clown that raised the price of everything we need?

It is him yeah, so he is therefore a bit of a t*at!! I dont really know whether he will be a good pm. Only time will tell........obviously!

[johnny_vts]

To respond to vidal, yes, I remember Margaret Thatcher and Norman Lamont, the Falklands and the way the Conservative government dealt with the Trade Union movement. They privatised national companies and created wealth and ownership by allowing people to buy council houses. It was market forces that led to the steep decline in manufacturing in this country. Labour rates are far cheaper in China, Eastern Europe (and before the collapse of Communism (which incidentally was the firm believe that Bevan (and Marx) had would replace capitalism), Taiwan and Thailand. The Labour movement and the Trade Unions crippled our manufacturing industry (British Leyland being a prime example). Yes, Bevan set up the NHS, the money pit that swallows a large percentage of our taxes. Should we have a health system like the US system - no, i don't believe so; but something in between (Canada's for example) wouldn't be too bad a compromise.

Hidden taxes and stealth taxes have gone up considerably over the past decade (due to increase in house prices, greed of the chancellor etc). What do we have to show for it? Not a great deal...

How do we raise more money? We adopt a more stringent immigration policy, we re-educate the unemployment and take a firmer stance against those that won't work; we reduce bureaucracy across governmental departments. We reward rather than stifle entrepreneurialism and penalise the idle.

One of the benefits of our society is that the 'intellectual pygmies' (as you term them) and others have the right to freedom of speech (something that is vastly reducing under current government). Had Bevan's beliefs come to fruition we'd be living under a dictatorship.

In answering the thread - i suppose i am classed with the (as vidal calls them) 'hard of thinking' 'intellectual pygmies' such as rick, Scott, Chris and CampDavid, because i think Gordon Brown's a cu*t. Plain and simple. As for whether he'll make a good PM - i doubt it...

[Mikey]

i think its hard to say if he will be a good priminister!

i dont think he has and carisma thats for sure...and he doesnt get you happy about the future

[Viper]

politics is bollocks

gordon brown needs to learn to keep his mouth shut when he thinks.. and he needs to stop being a knob with taxes :y:

i dont do politics.. i do business.. politics sucks

[davew]

its not the fact that every year tax goes up its the fact that you cant appreciate where the money is going

everyone is paying tax and everyone in some way is benifitting from it but....


what about all the c*nts that arnt ? like illegal immigrants, they come over and pay f*uck all and reap the reward of a free house and taxis around whilst the rest of us, be it young or old are stuck in a rut working our bollocks off trying to get on the property ladder?

how is this a fair system?

And just when you think you have saved enough money after paying extortionate taxes

u have to buy a new alloy for the car after wacking a pot hole in a shitly surfaced road taht you payed road tax for.....


superb

[craig180]

Bring back the iron lady!

To be fair society is going down the pan because of the lack of discipline everywhere at the moment.

School kids can run riot, teenagers get away with murder, labour government is too soft on real criminals and too harsh on the hard working tax payer.

I don't think it will make the slightest bit of difference who runs the labour party, until they get the bare essentials of society sorted out again (as they were in the 60s, 70s and most of the 80s) thinks are only going to get worse!

[Viper]

^^^^

old git

[craig180]

^^^^

old git

Yeti...

[laura_g]

I prefer him to that fat bloke he's a dickhead !

[craig180]

I prefer him to that fat bloke he's a dickhead !

Which fat bloke???

[laura_g]

I dont know his name he punched someone ages ago, is that prescott?

[craig180]

I dont know his name he punched someone ages ago, is that prescott?

Hahaha! Yes! They're all a bunch of very well educated liars at the end of the day

[laura_g]

Oh thought it was lol, its just the goverment altogether really it needs to understand the working peoples situation dont it!

[johnny_vts]

Hahaha! Yes! They're all a bunch of very well educated liars at the end of the day

Or in Prescott's case, not even well educated :y:

[vidal]

To respond to vidal, yes, I remember Margaret Thatcher and Norman Lamont, the Falklands and the way the Conservative government dealt with the Trade Union movement. They privatised national companies and created wealth and ownership by allowing people to buy council houses.
Very good point, yet the decline in social housing may be part of the cause of today's housing problems, I'm lucky I got onto the property ladder many years ago, I shudder to think how my children will get a roof over their heads if things carry on. The other thing is the "trickle down" approach, ie the wealth of the richest permeates down to the poorest has been shown not to work. It's 2007 and we still have abject poverty living cheek by jowl with the unimaginable wealth.
It was market forces that led to the steep decline in manufacturing in this country. Labour rates are far cheaper in China, Eastern Europe (and before the collapse of Communism (which incidentally was the firm believe that Bevan (and Marx) had would replace capitalism), Taiwan and Thailand. The Labour movement and the Trade Unions crippled our manufacturing industry (British Leyland being a prime example).
I too remember Red Robbo and the winter of discontent, and I hope that I never see them again. British Leyland was also crippled by its internal politics though and a complete lack of good cars, the majority of which should have been retired 5 years before they actually were.
Yes, Bevan set up the NHS, the money pit that swallows a large percentage of our taxes. Should we have a health system like the US system - no, i don't believe so; but something in between (Canada's for example) wouldn't be too bad a compromise.
The NHS does take a sizeable chunk of money, and is probably going to do more as the population ages and healthcare solutions become more expensive. I've seen people trying to choose between whether they treat themselves or their children in other countries, free at the point of delivery regardless of ability to pay, it's not something I'd like to see again.

Hidden taxes and stealth taxes have gone up considerably over the past decade (due to increase in house prices, greed of the chancellor etc). What do we have to show for it? Not a great deal...

How do we raise more money? We adopt a more stringent immigration policy, we re-educate the unemployment and take a firmer stance against those that won't work; we reduce bureaucracy across governmental departments. We reward rather than stifle entrepreneurialism and penalise the idle.

I'd argue that was mutually exclusive, you say "stealth" taxes have gone up, and we have little to show for it, then you wonder how we raise more money. Either direct or indirect taxation will do this, but either way it takes more.

I agree with you on those who won't work, the immigration policy I'll disagree with you. Who is an immigrant, the doctor from Mumbai, the teacher from Turkey, the plumber from Latvia? Or could it be the person escaping oppression from Darfur? Or someone trying to better themselves? Not an easy choice.

One of the benefits of our society is that the 'intellectual pygmies' (as you term them) and others have the right to freedom of speech (something that is vastly reducing under current government). Had Bevan's beliefs come to fruition we'd be living under a dictatorship.

I'm not sure about what would have happened under Bevan's stewardship, he died too early and was out of government for too long to make a real difference.

In answering the thread - i suppose i am classed with the (as vidal calls them) 'hard of thinking' 'intellectual pygmies' such as rick, Scott, Chris and CampDavid, because i think Gordon Brown's a cu*t. Plain and simple. As for whether he'll make a good PM - i doubt it...

Certainly not, a coherent, well argued response which was a pleasure to read. ( rep given) However saying that someone is a c***, or similar does not augur well for the future of the country.

As Robert Lowe, 1st Viscount Sherbrooke said, "we must educate our masters."

[Robbo]

NOEL GALLAGER for PM!!!

anyone read what he said in the star today?

[johnny_vts]

I'd argue that was mutually exclusive, you say "stealth" taxes have gone up, and we have little to show for it, then you wonder how we raise more money. Either direct or indirect taxation will do this, but either way it takes more.

I agree with you on those who won't work, the immigration policy I'll disagree with you. Who is an immigrant, the doctor from Mumbai, the teacher from Turkey, the plumber from Latvia? Or could it be the person escaping oppression from Darfur? Or someone trying to better themselves? Not an easy choice.

My point is that stealth and hidden taxes should be made transparent, not cloaked by spin. Perhaps if we improved efficiency we could actually reduce the tax burden.

I admit my comment on immigration was not clear - i believe economic immigration to be sound, but opening up our borders to the EU is asking for trouble. That said, Enoch Powell's 'Rivers of Blood' speech is disturbingly accurate when considering current tensions etc.


However saying that someone is a c***, or similar does not augur well for the future of the country.

As Robert Lowe, 1st Viscount Sherbrooke said, "we must educate our masters."

I was being a little tongue in cheek and exercising my democratic right (something that i wouldn't have the liberty of doing in a 'Bevan' idealist society).

I agree with you - education is key...

Rep returned for a sound counter-argument...(even if you're wrong ;) )