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Ste
13th July 2007, 14:19
Read it you lazy steroid bummers.


The purpose of this section is not to teach you how to use steroids, nor to endorse or disapprove of their use. I mainly write this section as an informational tool for those that are curious on the subject and also to eliminate certain misconceptions that surround these drugs. My goal is to write an unbiased report that would give the reader objective information of what these drugs are and what they can and cannot do. Everything that I will say is based on research and information that I have gathered from others that have used them. I cannot share any personal experiences in using them as I have never touched them.


What are they?
Anabolic steroids are a synthetic copy of the hormone testosterone. They have been the subject of much debate over the last few decades as well as misinformation. Athletes, especially bodybuilders, may feel lured towards them as these drugs do increase muscle size, strength, and stamina. One of the biggest misunderstandings that we find about steroids is that people say that if you take them they will kill you. The first thing that we need to understand is that steroids are drugs. All drugs when misused and abused have the potential to kill; It’s not only steroids. Even Tylenol and Aspirin can cause serious problems if you take them in large quantities. As a matter of fact, you can take a full bottle of oral steroids in one day and still live to talk about it. With Tylenol and Aspirin you cannot make that claim.

Another misconception out there is that they are easily accessible and that there is only one type of steroid. As far as accessibility, the truth is that unless you get them prescribed through a doctor for replacement purposes, they are illegal substances so your accessibility will be through the black market (good luck as far as quality). In addition, if you get caught with them in their possession without a prescription you may face up to 5 years in a federal prison. On the issue of variety, there are many different types of steroids out there. There are liquid steroids that you inject and there are pills that you take orally. The injectable kind are generally more anabolic in nature and less damaging to organs like the liver. The oral versions are more androgenic in nature and cause more side effects than injectables, as they have to be processed by the liver. Different steroids have different properties so there are some that have more tendencies to build muscle mass while others have a tendency to increase strength or even decrease fat. As their properties vary, so do their side effects. Usually the stronger the steroid (especially if oral) the more side effects you can expect.


The Good
As we previously just mentioned, steroids do increase size and strength. In fact, they do so very significantly. In addition to potentially massive gains in strength and muscle mass they also seem to provide you with more energy and aggressiveness, things that can be conducive to good workouts. Depending on the steroid used, you may also experience cell voluminizing effects that promote a bigger pump. All of these are of course assuming that all aspects of the bodybuilding program (training, nutrition and supplementation) are in order.

The Bad
Based on the fact that steroids can provide you with all of these beneficial effects which bodybuilder are usually in search of, it is no surprise that they cause a psychological dependence. Think about it, if you have been taking steroids for the past 8 weeks, assuming you are on a good diet and using a thorough training routine, chances are that you would have gotten very big (muscular) and strong very quickly. One of the feelings people on steroids usually claim to have after approximately 8 weeks of use, is an “unstoppable” feeling. When you begin to taper off of them, you might still experience these “highs”, but will it last? Once you completely stop using them and after cessation of use, you very likely will notice that you are not getting good pumps, your strength will start to diminish regardless of your best effort and your muscle mass will begin to atrophy (shrink!). Add to that, the fact that for the first few weeks after cessation of use, you will most likely experience bouts of depression, due to low testosterone levels.

It is no wonder that a large number of steroid users, never stop taking these drugs.


The Ugly
Assuming that you knew what you were doing while you were using steroids (i.e. Getting consistent blood work done while using them, using a mild steroid, ensuring that the dosage taken was not overboard, making sure you tapered off before complete cessation of use and taking a break from their use every 12 weeks or so), chances are that you will still experience the depression after use, plus loss of strength and muscle mass. You will most likely notice a period of low natural testosterone production (in addition to other side effects that may be encountered during their use, such as higher blood pressure and higher cholesterol levels). We have gathered research claiming that administering mild steroids with proper use can aid in maintaining a percentage of muscle mass gains. This is really dependent however on the type of steroids used, the quantity, and the anti-estrogen drugs taken after cessation of use. Fact is that most people do not have access to information on how to do this unless the steroids are being prescribed by a doctor. As a result, I have seldom heard of a steroid user who maintained much of anything after steroid use. Based on my observations, for most people steroid use will ultimately provide more, many more, losses than it will gains.

If you are careless with your steroid use (i.e.using high potency steroids causing many side effects and/or abusing the dosage you administer, etc), then not only can the side effects be numerous during the period of use, but you also will also experience terrible side effects after cessation of use. Again, the degree of side effects you personally experience is directly proportional to the dosage and type of the steroid you use. It is also dependent on the genetic propensity of the subject, which will ultimately determine the side effects they receive. Therefore, it would be impossible for us, or anyone else, to precisely predict what type and how many side effects a user might encounter during a period of steroid use. However, below we have listed a few of the side effects users have experienced from steroid abuse:

1) Increased liver function (Not good!).
2) Depletion of testosterone levels.
3) Increase in cholesterol levels and blood pressure (Not beneficial for good

cardiovascular health).
4) Altered thyroid function.
5) Migraine headaches.
6) Nose bleeds.
7) Muscle cramps.
8) Development of breast-like tissue in men (Gynecomastia AKA “Bitch Tits”).
9) Insulin Insensitivity (Even though the steroid, Deca Durabolin has been known to

improve the insulin metabolism).
10) Androgenic side effects such as thinning hair, enlarged prostate, oily skin, water

retention, increased body hair, physical aggressiveness etc.
11) Stunted growth if you are a teenager.
12) Oral steroid specific side effects: In addition to the above, the oral steroids also tend

to cause nausea, diarrhea, constipation, and vomiting.
13) May accelerate the growth of tumors.

We’re not even going to discuss the kind of side effects that females can encounter when they decide to use steroids. You can imagine what happens to your body when you administer opposite sex hormones into your body!


Conclusion
Having said all of the above, I would now like to include our my two cents worth. Here comes the subjective part of this section.

I am not going to just come out and say: "Don’t use steroids; they kill", as by now you could probably make an educated conclusion. There are so many drugs available both by prescription and over the counter too, that in my opinion are just as if not far more dangerous than steroids are. Also, I do feel that they have their place in medicine for males that do not produce optimal levels of testosterone anymore, even under the use of natural testosterone boosters like Tribex, Red Kat and 6-OXO. If this is the case, then a doctor can determine if replacement therapy is in order.

However, it seems to me that using steroids with a perfectly functioning hormonall system only provides fleeting glory and a temporary solution to the challenge of acquiring muscle mass. At best, you might get bigger for a while, but how much is that worth to you? Is it worth risking your health and/or jail time in order to gain a few pounds of muscle? If you happen to get these drugs from the black market, how can you be assured that the quality of them is good? How will you know for sure exactly what you are putting into your body? Will it be pure or contain contaminants? How can you be sure that if you are using an injectible steroid, that you will be able to consistently inject it correctly, without causing an infection on the site of injection or possibly pinching a nerve perhaps? Finally, how can you be sure that you don't have a propensity to develop cancer and that by using steroids, you won’t assist in speeding up the process? These are all things that you should think about if there is ever a time when you are tempted to access these drugs from someone other than a medical professional. Building your body into a beautiful work of art should start with a lifetime commitment, one that is practiced eagerly, day in and day out with the utmost persistence. There are no shortcuts to the hard work required for creating your ideal physique; not even steroids work without hard work. Relatively hard work combined with smart training and a sound nutrition system will take you exactly where you want to go.

Japman
13th July 2007, 14:37
good read,should be made sticky

Kelly
13th July 2007, 15:01
Can I just add for informational purposes that if you use injectable steroids then the more you use them the chances of getting a vein to inject them in will get a lot slimmer. Veins will start to collapse and then what happens if you get taken in to hospital and need injections?

AdamW
13th July 2007, 15:02
Where do I inject?

Cal
13th July 2007, 15:09
Where do I inject?Ruddy says he shoves the tablets up his bum bum...

Ste
13th July 2007, 15:13
Where do I inject?

Just to the left of the dark bit in youre eye....

Predator_R32
13th July 2007, 15:22
i wouldnt use them anyway, there just :homme:

Cal
13th July 2007, 15:32
i wouldnt use them anyway, there just :homme:Pred's more your rohipnol kinda guy...

Predator_R32
13th July 2007, 15:42
nah all natural baby :p

http://www.fugly.com/ornot/fugly/images/upload/hairy_man_copy.jpg

Cal
13th July 2007, 15:48
nah all natural baby :p

http://www.fugly.com/ornot/fugly/images/upload/hairy_man_copy.jpgCan't see that in work but I gather its a hairy man. FYI Pred; Rohipnol is a date rape drug?? PM Ruddy for details...

Predator_R32
13th July 2007, 15:58
ahhhhh right see i didnt know what it was honestly :P ;) :innocent: :shocked:

Ryan
13th July 2007, 16:09
a very very dangerous thing to have written about on a public forum
at least its pointing out a large number of negatives

Leo
13th July 2007, 22:14
steroids = cheating
steroids = less work
steroids = tiny willy and heart attacks at 30

steroids are cool

Daniel_VTR
15th July 2007, 11:03
You could off just linked the article..

http://www.hrfit.net/bb/supplementation/steroids.asp

Knew I'd read that elsewere..

Mitchell
21st July 2007, 19:50
most people that take steriods have completely different goals from all of you. its a sport, they compete, they do it for a living.

but then you get the plebs that take them to just look big and try to cover up the fact that they take them. you can call that cheating aye.

Mark51
22nd July 2007, 07:53
good read

a very very dangerous thing to have written about on a public forum
at least its pointing out a large number of negatives

why is it dangerous to post on the forum?

You could off just linked the article..

http://www.hrfit.net/bb/supplementation/steroids.asp

Knew I'd read that elsewere..

Ste_1 has been caught red handed, lol

Martinsaxo
31st July 2007, 00:39
Good read mate :y: this should be stickied :)

Martin.

Ste
6th August 2007, 14:31
good read



why is it dangerous to post on the forum?



Ste_1 has been caught red handed, lol

You didnt seriously think i know that much about steroids.....Only reason i dont hotlink is because people never read it then. But when its nicely formatted and looks pretty they do!!!


Ignorance is bliss.....

Jackman
22nd August 2007, 20:57
Tbh ive thought about taking them...

Ive wanted to get 'bigger' for quite a while now but unsure if i will as i just have a small body frame and the skinnyness runs in my family...

Is there another option i could take?

Jacko
22nd August 2007, 21:02
creatine!!!

nowhere near the same results but it defo helps you bulk up...

Jackman
22nd August 2007, 21:05
creatine!!!

nowhere near the same results but it defo helps you bulk up...

Do intend try Creatine as soon as i get back from holiday im getting back down the Gym with Johnno hardcore style

bullit
22nd August 2007, 21:06
Tbh ive thought about taking them...

Ive wanted to get 'bigger' for quite a while now but unsure if i will as i just have a small body frame and the skinnyness runs in my family...

Is there another option i could take?

i thought more of you :homme:

Jackman
22nd August 2007, 21:08
i thought more of you :homme:

Why?

I drive a Corsa and wish to get juiced up?

bullit
22nd August 2007, 21:17
Why?

I drive a Corsa and wish to get juiced up?

fair enough, thought you were sensible

Jackman
22nd August 2007, 21:20
fair enough, thought you were sensible

I am sensible...I highly doubt i will ever take them.. as one i could never inject and 2 i wouldnt take them orally...

I just wana get bigger tbh..and i duno if i can get what i want from just training!

bullit
22nd August 2007, 21:32
I am sensible...I highly doubt i will ever take them.. as one i could never inject and 2 i wouldnt take them orally...

I just wana get bigger tbh..and i duno if i can get what i want from just training!

train and eat right youll get the results

Jackman
22nd August 2007, 21:33
train and eat right youll get the results

Think i should get a programme drawn up for me..

Will the gym do that?

bullit
22nd August 2007, 21:41
should do. you go the gym then?

you need to start somewhere, get some experiance and then change you routine etc.

doubt there gonna write you a bodybuilding routine out, lol

while learning the basics get reseaching form books etc, depends how much you want it tbh

Jackman
22nd August 2007, 21:43
should do. you go the gym then?

you need to start somewhere, get some experiance and then change you routine etc.

doubt there gonna write you a bodybuilding routine out, lol

while learning the basics get reseaching form books etc, depends how much you want it tbh

Used to go to the gym when i trained for the Royal Marines.. then stopped when i was underweight.

Now i wish to get back into it as soon as i get back from holiday.. as a friend has offered to join up with me.. as i think i need a partner to push me and make me go at first

BenEd
28th August 2007, 07:53
Get on Roids!! Get Juiced Up! Hav Roid Rage! Go Nuts! Love It!!

Kelly
28th August 2007, 09:49
Get on Roids!! Get Juiced Up! Hav Roid Rage! Go Nuts! Love It!!

And end up like Benoit... how silly :p

Jacko
28th August 2007, 10:48
And end up like Benoit... how silly :p

all jokes aside...do you think it had anything along the lines off "loving husband and father" on his grave stone??

Ruddy
28th August 2007, 11:57
Cremated ashes scattered into vince mcmahons cup-a-soup

Japman
28th August 2007, 12:09
Ruddy is a specalist in Roids

Ruddy
28th August 2007, 12:10
Ruddy is a specalist in Roids

Gav is a specialist at nothing.

Kelly
28th August 2007, 12:14
all jokes aside...do you think it had anything along the lines off "loving husband and father" on his grave stone??

probably not to be honest

Japman
28th August 2007, 12:35
Gav is a specialist at nothing.

Correct ruddy im not,which is a pitty

Ben_G
4th September 2007, 16:21
Did anyone read that thing in the paper (can't remember which 1) aabout all them WWE wrestlers gettin suspended or something over steroids?10 of them have been caught i think it said.Just not worth it in my opinion,they don't do much more that can be achieved with hard work on a normal adult imo.

bullit
4th September 2007, 20:00
Did anyone read that thing in the paper (can't remember which 1) aabout all them WWE wrestlers gettin suspended or something over steroids?10 of them have been caught i think it said.Just not worth it in my opinion,they don't do much more that can be achieved with hard work on a normal adult imo.

they do mate :y:

Tupps
10th September 2007, 14:09
PM me a pricelist Ruddy

Japman
10th September 2007, 14:17
lol at the above post

Tupps
11th September 2007, 10:47
Ruddy.....Im still waiting for this pricelist tbh

garysvts
11th September 2007, 11:08
you should only really take them if you know what your doin tbh. even if your diet is in check and have been working out for two years solid it doesnt mean your ready my any means you need to know your bodys limit and choosing the correct cycle is very important good site for anyone needing info forums.steroid.com. dont buy online thers only a hand full that i can say are good and correctly dosed most are scammers .

wiggyk1
11th September 2007, 11:15
Where do I inject?

Couple of my mates are using gear and growth hormone!! The roids you inject in your arse or shoulder!! the growth goes in your stomach!! All great fun lol!!

Big fuckers tho!! Still cant beat a shit load of Protein and a good diet!! Oh and some Norateen Heavyweight 2!! :)

wiggyk1
11th September 2007, 11:20
Used to go to the gym when i trained for the Royal Marines.. then stopped when i was underweight.

Now i wish to get back into it as soon as i get back from holiday.. as a friend has offered to join up with me.. as i think i need a partner to push me and make me go at first

Get yourself on Mammoth 2500!! Its a serious Weight gainer!! Will out on at least 10-12lbs in about 2 Weeks!! No joke!!

Ruddy
11th September 2007, 11:27
Couple of my mates are using gear and growth hormone!! The roids you inject in your arse or shoulder!! the growth goes in your stomach!! All great fun lol!!

Big fuckers tho!! Still cant beat a shit load of Protein and a good diet!! Oh and some Norateen Heavyweight 2!! :)

Thats anobolic anyway dude! Haha, it turns into nandrolone when mixed in your body!

wiggyk1
11th September 2007, 11:29
Ruddy you seem to be a big gym goer!! Got any pics??

(in a very non gay way) lol

Ruddy
11th September 2007, 11:32
No way dude haha. Yeah i am into my training loads but keep slacking recently. Had a week off last week but back into it again. Not huge by any stretch of the imagination but to give you an idea im 6,3 and 14 stone 3. They'll be some horrible pics knocking about sax-p somewhere of me if you dig deep enough lol.

wiggyk1
11th September 2007, 11:35
Your a big fucker!! lol

Im 6'1" and 13lbs 10oz!! I had a week off last week aswell!! And i paid for it yesterday!! lol.. I struggled to keep up with what i normally do!! But im getting there!! Need to sort out my finances after buying my VTR ;) and then i am going to get on some good quality Whey and maybe Norateen!! Not sure!! Going to be a man mountain!! lol :P

Ruddy
11th September 2007, 11:41
Haha thats it pal! Me too, so next summer i wanna get to 15 stone. Think thats a realistic enough goal to reach. My biggest problem is Leckie AdamW Soulless and Robb wanting to play on Rainbow Six vegas haha.

Been thinkin about that norateen stuff too to be honest. Its kinda a steriod though so im in two minds. Kinda cheating getting that big too quick though.

I dont take creatine anymore so I might get back on that for now an do a cycle of that before i decide about Norateen

wiggyk1
11th September 2007, 11:48
Ya i know what your saying!! I tried Creatine before the Norateen!! Creatine wasn't doing it for me! So i moved on!! And found the results to be good!! Thought about using Tribulus?

Ruddy
11th September 2007, 11:53
Ya i know what your saying!! I tried Creatine before the Norateen!! Creatine wasn't doing it for me! So i moved on!! And found the results to be good!! Thought about using Tribulus?

Is that that Met-RX stuff? Heard about that vaguely. Be interesting to read. Find loads of info and make a thread.

Japman
11th September 2007, 12:08
I took that norteen HW before,gave me spots iirc
Weight was added but not lean

Also ive been taking mamoth again recently,arms are and shoulders are starting to bulk up

Ste
11th September 2007, 12:35
The only supps i have at the mo are BSN. but im getting lazy with the gym routine. Missing the odd day and when i go not pushing myself because im sooo tired from work...

I need some fuel before i go, any supps that are good for that?

Japman
11th September 2007, 12:45
creatine mate,that will give you a good energy sorce ready for a good blast in the gym

wiggyk1
11th September 2007, 13:29
Is that that Met-RX stuff? Heard about that vaguely. Be interesting to read. Find loads of info and make a thread.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribulus
http://monstersupplements.com/store/search_products.php?search_string=tribulus&Find.x=24&Find.y=19

Thats the shizz!! :)

Mitchell
11th September 2007, 18:44
its all in the diet and PCT

shit PCT shit gains, basically.

bullit
11th September 2007, 19:28
its all in the diet and PCT

shit PCT shit gains, basically.

i concur. if you all ate right and didnt slack you wouldnt need all you little mixtures

Japman
12th September 2007, 07:11
I find that its hard to consume like 3000calories
Thats why i add a weight gainer to bump up the calories

Also eating 3000calories is expensive

sax87
17th September 2007, 20:03
dont thik i would ever take them

Japman
18th September 2007, 09:09
Take what,weight gainers ?