View Full Version : out of interest how much bhp does simos saxo knock out?
SteveMcGee
25th July 2007, 14:52
just as the title says, just out of interest im wonderin how much his vts knocks out in terms of bhp if anyone knows?
Clouds_mate
25th July 2007, 14:56
Top speed : 141 mph
Power at flywheel: 242 bhp
0-60 mph: 6.08 seconds
Power at wheels: 190 bhp
0-100 mph: 15.6 seconds
Torque at flywheel: 212 lb/ft
Quarter mile: 14.5 seconds
Torque at wheels: 163 lb/ft
Boost pressure: 9 psi
saxoash
25th July 2007, 15:06
Think there old figures Daniel.
mallboy
25th July 2007, 15:10
doesnt matter about figures - its a beast full stop>.;)
RedB
25th July 2007, 15:12
Must be a bit better than that??
my VTS can hit around 140
and 0-60 of around 7 secs and im fitting more performance stuff in the next few weeks to boot
Anyone know what Simo is currently running when he pushes it?
Clouds_mate
25th July 2007, 15:13
Think there old figures Daniel.
thats whats taken from his spec sheet.
no idea if its out of date or not.
Japman
25th July 2007, 15:14
Must be a bit better than that??
my VTS can go 140
and 0-60 of around 6.9 secs and im fitting more performance stuff in the next few weeks to boot
with what mods mate?
Anyone know what Simo is currently running when he pushes it?
with what mods mate?
ben306
25th July 2007, 15:14
was gonna say, mate of mine S1 106 rallye runs low 14 quartermile times
Must be a bit better than that??
my VTS can go 140
and 0-60 of around 6.9 secs and im fitting more performance stuff in the next few weeks to boot
Anyone know what Simo is currently running when he pushes it?
140 off clocks im assuming? will be more around 126-128 mph iirc
6.9 seconds? mate with a stop watch? :homme:
saxoash
25th July 2007, 15:24
Must be a bit better than that??
my VTS can go 140
and 0-60 of around 6.9 secs and im fitting more performance stuff in the next few weeks to boot
Anyone know what Simo is currently running when he pushes it?
lol can you do 60 in second aswell?
Dont think hes had it RR'd since them last figures
RedB
25th July 2007, 15:26
once but pointless as il soon be looking around for new parts
Ragging a car is pointless just to prove a point to mates as it seems a laugh
Ben306* whats he running?
you still havent answered me red...
Barry123
25th July 2007, 15:36
gearbox is the limitings factor here.
RedB
25th July 2007, 15:36
what was the q dude?
did you get the 140 from you clock speed?
and did you time yourself with a stop watch 0-60?
RedB
25th July 2007, 15:39
lol no and no
Predator_R32
25th July 2007, 15:40
why dont you ask him :y: was last updated on january 2007
howd you get em?
im curious now lol
RedB
25th July 2007, 15:48
lol you at TRAX dude?
ah thats a secret now then :P
nope im not at trax mate, no way of getting there :(
sucks to be me
PM me the secret, no need to share it with the peasants ;)
saxoash
25th July 2007, 15:52
nope im not at trax mate, no way of getting there :(
sucks to be me
PM me the secret, no need to share it with the peasants ;)
Well what you do is you dont start the stop watch till your doing 30mph
Hopcraft
25th July 2007, 15:53
lol can you do 60 in second aswell?
vts's can do 60 in second can they not ?
Well what you do is you dont start the stop watch till your doing 30mph
lol, that would be a good way, im just curious as to how, where and what conditions the 140mph and 6.9 sec 0-60 (original post) was achieved on :homme:
RedB
25th July 2007, 15:55
haha nah save that for later after iv watched top gear fella :A:
Need to see some hammond abuse :p :homme:
RedB
25th July 2007, 15:57
Well what you do is you dont start the stop watch till your doing 30mph
lol thats the easiest way ;)
vts's can do 60 in second can they not ?
They can
ben306
25th July 2007, 16:00
Ben306* whats he running?
S1 106 rallye, 16v Conversion running lots of bits.
Tops out at about 130 due to the box but does low 14's, 0-60 has to be low 6's and Its awesome around a track help by the fact the lad can really drive.
Never been on roolers but it will have to be soon for mapping as hes put new cams in (gone from fast road to full rally/race) I reckon its around the 170bhp mark and 750kg.
Graeme
25th July 2007, 16:03
S1 106 rallye, 16v Conversion running lots of bits.
Tops out at about 130 due to the box but does low 14's, 0-60 has to be low 6's and Its awesome around a track help by the fact the lad can really drive.
Never been on roolers but it will have to be soon for mapping as hes put new cams in (gone from fast road to full rally/race) I reckon its around the 170bhp mark and 750kg.
its all well guessing but you could be well off!
ben306
25th July 2007, 16:07
even without knowing the figures, this thing has proven itself out on the road, track and strip, so even if I am well off its a beast
SteveMcGee
25th July 2007, 16:44
I know its a rocket, as soon as you think vts with a turbo on, you think rocket lol, but was just curious to know what the bhp was on a rollin road
RedB
25th July 2007, 17:15
what colour is that 106 ralleye as i think iv seen it, might be wrong
Simo
25th July 2007, 20:29
just as the title says, just out of interest im wonderin how much his vts knocks out in terms of bhp if anyone knows?
In all honesty... I dont know anymore!
My car's not been on a rolling road since November 2004, where those power figures were recorded. Since then a few things have been changed and the Apexi has been mapped at two elevated boost levels... but currently I'm running it in low boost mode (0.7bar).
I purchased a larger turbocharger to remove back pressure, cool the inlet charge and increase the boost pressure, but Ive not fitted it due to the existing (smaller) unit creating too much power for the transmission.
One day soon, I'll strap the new turbo on and do something fancy with the transmission... but there's no immediate plans for this ;)
Until then, I guess the car's developing nearly 200 at the wheels, dependant upon conditions.
Any readers having spare gearboxes and driveshafts to donate, please feel free to ;)
saxoash
25th July 2007, 20:33
In all honesty... I dont know anymore!
My car's not been on a rolling road since November 2004, where those power figures were recorded. Since then a few things have been changed and the Apexi has been mapped at two elevated boost levels... but currently I'm running it in low boost mode (0.7bar).
I purchased a larger turbocharger to remove back pressure, cool the inlet charge and increase the boost pressure, but Ive not fitted it due to the existing (smaller) unit creating too much power for the transmission.
One day soon, I'll strap the new turbo on and do something fancy with the transmission... but there's no immediate plans for this ;)
Until then, I guess the car's developing nearly 200 at the wheels, dependant upon conditions.
Any readers having spare gearboxes and driveshafts to donate, please feel free to ;)
Pull your finger out, you got a reputation to keep up lol!
Adamski_frst
25th July 2007, 21:43
just curious tho not slating saxo's by far i bought mine cause its a good all rounder... but why would people wanna sepnd thousands turboing them etc if they can't cope with the boost pressure and don't put in awesome times... agreed my mate's 106gti got 15.0 1/4 when he had done alot to it BUT even then IMO no car gets respect unless it breaks the 13's.. ???
Graeme
25th July 2007, 21:46
its not about "respect" though adam its about doing somthing that not many people have done!
and simo has ernt alot of respect in the saxo world as he has the 1st vts turbo!
i do get what you mean though, but wheres the fun in buying a car than anyone else can walk into a show room and buy?
Roper
25th July 2007, 21:48
just how far out is the saxo speedo ?? its a percentage right ?
pm me if you want...
lee.
Barry123
25th July 2007, 21:51
just how far out is the saxo speedo ?? its a percentage right ?
pm me if you want...
lee.
depending on your wheels... i'd say about 5-10%... mine is 10%
Roper
25th July 2007, 21:52
depending on your wheels... i'd say about 5-10%... mine is 10%
205/40/ r17.
lee.
Barry123
25th July 2007, 21:56
205/40/ r17.
lee.
i make that about 40mm greater diameter (rough summing in my head) than mine (195/45/R15) so yours will be more accurate. when i find a calculator I pm you the proper difference if someone doesnt before hand...
anyway to the thread....
Roper
25th July 2007, 21:58
i make that about 40mm great diameter (rough summing in my head) than mine (195/45/R15) so yours will be more accurate.
so would be about 29mph (ish) acctrual speed and 30mph on speedo ?
EDIT: ok mate cheers.
lee.
RedB
25th July 2007, 22:05
In all honesty... I dont know anymore!
My car's not been on a rolling road since November 2004, where those power figures were recorded. Since then a few things have been changed and the Apexi has been mapped at two elevated boost levels... but currently I'm running it in low boost mode (0.7bar).
I purchased a larger turbocharger to remove back pressure, cool the inlet charge and increase the boost pressure, but Ive not fitted it due to the existing (smaller) unit creating too much power for the transmission.
One day soon, I'll strap the new turbo on and do something fancy with the transmission... but there's no immediate plans for this ;)
Until then, I guess the car's developing nearly 200 at the wheels, dependant upon conditions.
Any readers having spare gearboxes and driveshafts to donate, please feel free to ;)
Huge respect when these plans are put into action dude, bit more serious investment in the pipeline it sounds like:fcuk:!
Massively impressed with i think it was George Gomez's red saxo on here, that was lush and ruuning some stupid power (300+!!!)
Was yours the worlds first or the UK's first Simo?
Adamski_frst
25th July 2007, 22:27
its not about "respect" though adam its about doing somthing that not many people have done!
and simo has ernt alot of respect in the saxo world as he has the 1st vts turbo!
i do get what you mean though, but wheres the fun in buying a car than anyone else can walk into a show room and buy?
i totally understand, the only reason i CAN critisize is that i know what its like, my fiesta turbo was individual and a very special car that i tipped ALOT of cash into and it did become a very quick car etc mag featured and won fast ford car of the year.. BUT knowing that and knowing what i spent i wish i'd have ploughed it into the cossie as blimey my cossie would be a 10s car by now :(!!!
So now i just do my best to make people realise the logic of it all :)
Barry123
25th July 2007, 22:31
customising is an individual taste. for instance I dont give a fudge about speed... everyone's different.
Adamski_frst
25th July 2007, 22:37
see thats where i am not if i could be in a car that looks amazing but cant get up a hill then it'd annoy me to hell..... but if i'm in a car thats fairly good but goes up a hill in 5th then i'm more than happy! :)
Simo
25th July 2007, 23:46
just curious tho not slating saxo's by far i bought mine cause its a good all rounder... but why would people wanna sepnd thousands turboing them etc if they can't cope with the boost pressure and don't put in awesome times... agreed my mate's 106gti got 15.0 1/4 when he had done alot to it BUT even then IMO no car gets respect unless it breaks the 13's.. ???
Simple answer...... to see what would happen!
When my car was turbo'd initially (2000) nobody knew whether the engine, etc could take the strain. Once youve started a project youve got to see it through to a stable level... then carry on developing if you care to. That's pretty much where I got upto with my car. Sure, there are things that IW ould change or do differently, but at the same time, its reliable... as long as you come to terms with changing the odd driveshaft and gearbox ;)
Regarding performance... dont read too much into booked figures and times. Its how the car performs and feels on the track/road that matters... not on a wet airfield, using some magazines dodgy timing gear ;)
Simo
25th July 2007, 23:48
205/40/ r17.
lee.
On 205/40/17 wheel/tyres the speedo is virtually spot on.. by calculation and via GPS.
lol can you do 60 in second aswell?
Dont think hes had it RR'd since them last figures
just for the hell of it....VTS can actually do 60 in 2nd we have all decided :p
Adamski_frst
26th July 2007, 13:52
Simple answer...... to see what would happen!
When my car was turbo'd initially (2000) nobody knew whether the engine, etc could take the strain. Once youve started a project youve got to see it through to a stable level... then carry on developing if you care to. That's pretty much where I got upto with my car. Sure, there are things that IW ould change or do differently, but at the same time, its reliable... as long as you come to terms with changing the odd driveshaft and gearbox ;)
Regarding performance... dont read too much into booked figures and times. Its how the car performs and feels on the track/road that matters... not on a wet airfield, using some magazines dodgy timing gear ;)
defo no doubt like i said its great what u have done and acheived, all i was saying is that when people ask me now about fiesta rs tuning i try and put them off huge conversions cause if they want a quick car as jeremy clarkson once said, dont make a slow car fast, make a fast car faster!!! As it is cheaper and easier in the long run :y:... think its nice for people who have been there to point in the correct direction for others....
But fair play to you, my vtr is nice to nip around in but i would never get rid of the cossie...:)
jpsaxo
26th July 2007, 14:48
S1 106 rallye, 16v Conversion running lots of bits.
Tops out at about 130 due to the box but does low 14's, 0-60 has to be low 6's and Its awesome around a track help by the fact the lad can really drive.
Never been on roolers but it will have to be soon for mapping as hes put new cams in (gone from fast road to full rally/race) I reckon its around the 170bhp mark and 750kg.
170bhp from a 1.6 16v Tu engine is not Full race / rally - mines pushing 170ish at the fly and is still perfectly driveable around town etc,
200bhp+ (N/A) from the vts/gti engine is full race spec
willsy
26th July 2007, 22:27
just how far out is the saxo speedo ?? its a percentage right ?.
It'll always vary from car to car.
I was doing 80mph all the way home from the lake district today on the speedo and the satnav always read 78/79mph which is pretty accurate generally
Tupps
27th July 2007, 08:27
Once i reach 81mph (On prvate roads obviously) in the works van the sat navs screams saying im doing over 70mph.....
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