The other side of the coin.

[vidal]

Following on from Clo's thread (http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=96466) yesterday, where all young drivers, especially with Saxos were shown to be driving gods and could do no wrong could I present a little balance? (http://www.burytimes.co.uk/news/burynews/display.var.1604565.0.youths_escape_serious_injury _as_car_overturns.php)

The reason yesterday's article was so newsworthy was that it was away from the perceived norms, which was precisely the point I have been trying to hammer out for the last few months on here. Not long ago I posted an article about a proposed lifting of the driving age to 18, and more stringent tests as well as limiting the number of passengers in a car, I wonder whether we are going to get this sooner because of the actions of certain parts of the community?

Discuss.

V.

[rushy_23]

Shall I some the argument up in one go.

People in this country are too selfish to care about driving properly and efficiently.
"I have left work, I will drive home without a care in the word for whats going
on around me, I am twat" :P

They should make driving tests more technical, and difficult to get the nobs
off the roads. Endo story!!

[craig180]

First time I've read both articles.

I think no matter what age you are or the vehicle you drive there is still a fraction of each category of drivers that shouldn't be allowed on the roads

I like the fact that the saxo owner in Col's thread was actually commended - as some on here should be for their pride in their cars, but there is a minority on here that could still be categorised as "boy racers" simply because of their attitude towards driving.

No doubt the driver of the overturned saxo was trying to impress his passenger friends but I would like to think he has learnt his lesson the hard way

We all grow up eventually though

[hellonpluto]

Remember this:

http://www.egmcartech.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/audi_rs36_crash.jpg

http://www.egmcartech.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/audi_rs36_crash_4.jpg

Doesn't matter how old you are. You need to use your brain, eyes and right foot! Thats all that counts.

[Barry123]

for every one audi crash there probably about 10 saxo crashes.

[Kelly]

for every one audi crash there probably about 10 saxo crashes.

yeah but not every saxo owner is young... B+B is proof enough and there are loads of older people where i live with saxo's lol

V, I really think you are fighting a losing battle to be fair cos you are just targetting young drivers and the only response that you're going to get is that even older people drive like kn*bs in some cases. Fair play to you for trying but unless you target the matter as a whole then there's really no point

[Payney]

Damn, that Audi has a scratch on the front wing, well spotted mate. :y:

Too many people don't know how to handle there car tbh... I'm one to talk, as i take my time, fuck other drivers, takes as long as it takes.

Rushing gets you no-where.

EDIT: good point made there Kelly, it's not just us young drivers.

[Kelly]

Damn, that Audi has a scratch on the front wing, well spotted mate. :y:

Too many people don't know how to handle there car tbh... I'm one to talk, as i take my time, fuck other drivers, takes as long as it takes.

Rushing gets you no-where.

EDIT: good point made there Kelly, it's not just us young drivers.

Rushing does get you somewhere... a number of places actually:

1, a body bag on the way to the morgue
2, A&E
3, Prison
4, Hell

And believe me there's more lol

[JoeFurio]

yes of course there are some people that drive saxos that are dangerous and crash, and some that dont go crazy all the time that they are between the wheel.

[Kelly]

What I can't get in to my head is that say I own a saxo and I crashed on the way home tonight it not being my fault as I was driving sensibly - I would still be seen as a young, inexperienced driver and the female equivalent of a boy-racer with the car being done up etc.

It's a load of bullsh*t to be fair

[Barry123]

i see an eclectic mix of nobs driving on our roads, bmw drivers who cant indicate. Everyone on the A3 appears to be incapable of using the inside lane. 4x4 drivers muscling their way through narrow points in the road....

but even then I still believe they dont even come close to cruddy driving i've seen by driving noobs.

so long as they dont crunch into me and/or if they do crash they only hurt themselves and not others... im not fussed. My driving is ace.

[bullit]

so its more biddies to blame for all the saxo crashes

[Robb]

hey....i have those wheels.

[Clouds_mate]

for every one audi crash there probably about 10 saxo crashes.

oh i duno about that now. Robbs moved from saxo to audi. So i think the adds might be on more audis now...with his track record and all that

[Robb]

oh i duno about that now. Robbs moved from saxo to audi. So i think the adds might be on more audis now...with his track record and all that

...only a matter of time till i crash tbh.

i thank god after every journey i complete.

[CloVis]

from Clo's thread yesterday, where

Wasnt my thread!!!!!

[bullit]

Wasnt my thread!!!!!

was meant to say col not clo suger

[Clouds_mate]

...only a matter of time till i crash tbh.

i thank god after every journey i complete.

Evertime i get an MMS i think, robb - crashed tbh... and a picture.

[funkmaster-fresh]

tbh i get all wound up when i hear people slating young drivers, brandin them boy racers maybe because theyre cruising around in a wee car or whatever..

I like to think i can drive, and drive well..
but what ive noticed is that most people that take good care of their cars, and keep them gleaming.. tend to drive quite well..

and it seems to me that the older generation that dont give a fcuk about their cars seem to be the worst!

more times than i can count ive seen middle aged men and women drifting across lanes on motorways and roundabouts not givin a fuck about other drivers.
ive seen them clip kerbs, come into contact with other cars while parking and menouvering..
and just basically bein stupid...

and yet who gets the bad name..
the young guy/gal in their car that they spent near every day trying to keep clean.

Idiots!

[TU-Tuning]

When i crashed i got called a boy racer by the police which pissed me off big time, and thats cause im young and drive a saxo. if it had been exactly the same situation but with a 50 year old in a vectra they would have been very different. The boy racer rep sucks balls

[Rocko]

tbh i get all wound up when i hear people slating young drivers, brandin them boy racers maybe because theyre cruising around in a wee car or whatever..

I like to think i can drive, and drive well..
but what ive noticed is that most people that take good care of their cars, and keep them gleaming.. tend to drive quite well..

and it seems to me that the older generation that dont give a fcuk about their cars seem to be the worst!

more times than i can count ive seen middle aged men and women drifting across lanes on motorways and roundabouts not givin a fuck about other drivers.
ive seen them clip kerbs, come into contact with other cars while parking and menouvering..
and just basically bein stupid...

and yet who gets the bad name..
the young guy/gal in their car that they spent near every day trying to keep clean.

Idiots!

Exactly what i thought mate.

When i was learning for my theory and driving test my parents used to always say, 'we never did anything like that', small drive and a few questions and your passed.

I do think though that there should be a harder driving test and most difficult questions on the theory and hazard perception because it's not that hard, not as hard as it could/should be.

[craig180]

When i crashed i got called a boy racer by the police which pissed me off big time, and thats cause im young and drive a saxo.


When I had my old vtr broken into (damaged passenger door, broken drivers window, roken rear screen, parcel shelf/cd changer/cds stolen, dash knackered so they could cut the plug off the back of the head unit for the cd changer) the police attended and the first thing one said to me was, quote: "bit of a boy racer are you then?"

Needless to say I lodged a complaint immediately

[TU-Tuning]

When I had my old vtr broken into (damaged passenger door, broken drivers window, roken rear screen, parcel shelf/cd changer/cds stolen, dash knackered so they could cut the plug off the back of the head unit for the cd changer) the police attended and the first thing one said to me was, quote: "bit of a boy racer are you then?"

Needless to say I lodged a complaint immediately

Wankers. The cops that are like that I cant stand. Some are alright but most are arrogant pricks all they do is make the situation worse by saying stuff like that and being cocky.

[dannygti]

its hard to find a solution to get the noobs off the road beacause for every possibility there will be an arguement.
i personaly would bring in an advanced driving test for anyone who wants a "high performance car" so they can understand how cars react to different situations,this would be better than say....high insurance premiums.

[Leo]

Do you really think changing it from 17 to 18 would make a diff? people make a decision to drive like a twat.. do you think preventing them from driving legaly by one year will trigger something in them to think "hold on, i was going to drive stupid but as im 18 not 17 i think i will give it a pass" ? course not.

people who drive like a twat will do it no matter WHAT.. a harder test or older age to pass isnt going to change a thing. why not leave it at 17 to pass but change it to 69 to have to retake your test??? because its pointless.

[craig180]

What they are wanting to acheive is fewer young deaths on the road. I was staggered when I realised how many deaths there are on the roads involving people that have been driving for less than 12 months.

Making it a compulsory 12 month lesson/test will reduce these accidents

[funkmaster-fresh]

Do you really think changing it from 17 to 18 would make a diff? people make a decision to drive like a twat.. do you think preventing them from driving legaly by one year will trigger something in them to think "hold on, i was going to drive stupid but as im 18 not 17 i think i will give it a pass" ? course not.

people who drive like a twat will do it no matter WHAT.. a harder test or older age to pass isnt going to change a thing. why not leave it at 17 to pass but change it to 69 to have to retake your test??? because its pointless.


I agree,

one of my mates is 29 and has been driving since hes 17.
thats 12 years experience, and he is possibly the worst driver ever!

I dont think preventing young people from doing the test till their a bit older will make a button of difference.
your either a good driver or your not..
but its sad the way some cops / parents / idiots that think they know better, brand young car enthusiasts as boy racers.

I know for a fact i can drive better than a lot of mature drivers, and can handle the car quite well in various weather conditions, and situations..
and ive only been driving 4 years.

Im sure this goes the same for many people on this forum..
but theres always the odd few that drive around like twats and give everyone else a bad name!

[Leo]

What they are wanting to acheive is fewer young deaths on the road. I was staggered when I realised how many deaths there are on the roads involving people that have been driving for less than 12 months.

Making it a compulsory 12 month lesson/test will reduce these accidents

so the solution apparently here is up the age. so lets say u have to be 30 to pass ur test, this way.. no young deaths!!

but then we need to deal with 30ish aged drivers deathers... i no, lets up the age....

just seems like a circle to me, its just a problem that needs accepting really.

[Leo]

also making the test re-take every 12 months wont help deaths it will help figures. because less and less people will pass, thus less drivers... thus less deaths = lower figers = win win

as they say, "thats how they getcha!"

[gregory87]

imo scrapping the current methods of passing ur driving test would be a start.

lets say for example that somebody has 15 driving lessons and takes their test and passes......does that mean that they are a competent driver?

fair enough they've been passed by a qualified examiner but after 15 lessons and a 40 minute test, do they really have the competence and experience to be given the keys to a car and let loose with it?

maybe a way round this would be to approach it as, for example, building a portfolio of things learned that you would be tested on at different stages, thus ensuring that you have been tested on everything.

perhaps it wouldn't stop everybody driving like dicks but it would at least give newly passed drivers that bit more experience.

[Leo]

imo scrapping the current methods of passing ur driving test would be a start.

lets say for example that somebody has 15 driving lessons and takes their test and passes......does that mean that they are a competent driver?

fair enough they've been passed by a qualified examiner but after 15 lessons and a 40 minute test, do they really have the competence and experience to be given the keys to a car and let loose with it?

maybe a way round this would be to approach it as, for example, building a portfolio of things learned that you would be tested on at different stages, thus ensuring that you have been tested on everything.

perhaps it wouldn't stop everybody driving like dicks but it would at least give newly passed drivers that bit more experience.

i see what your saying, i dont know all the figures etc but id put good money on the young deaths been a driver showing off to mates, testing cars, excitment of passing heavy foot, etc etc etc... sure there will be deaths of young drivers due to nervs and mistakes but thats inevitble. but like i said thats just how i think of it, i could be wrong

[nathb84]

Well this is an interesting debate. Young drivers have a boy racer image but is this deserved. Well i agree with most people here who say people at any age can drive like twats, i have seen awfull driving by old, young, male and female. However the fact is more young people have accidents than older people. of course lots of young people can drive better of just aswell as older poeple and vica versa but the fact still remains, more young people are involved in accidents than older poeple. I dont like the image but there is a reason for it.