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jaybiss 17th September 2007 23:44

hes miles off lee :P

willsy 17th September 2007 23:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaybiss (Post 1471527)
hes miles off lee :P

Understatement.

Wont be in and finished until at Least March. If all goes to plan im taking it off the road still at the beginning of December.

Gotta get my arse in gear bigtime

jaybiss 17th September 2007 23:54

im positive you can do it before then

kms stuff in the for sale section too, you know you want it...

willsy 18th September 2007 00:00

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Originally Posted by jaybiss (Post 1471540)
im positive you can do it before then

kms stuff in the for sale section too, you know you want it...

Yup id love it :p its not a bargain enough to warrent me splashing out on it now though. KMS is about the last thing ill need to buy before Mapping (plenty of bits needed beforehand before i can start to get the engine in the car.

The KMS stuff in for sale section is barely any cheaper than if i was to buy it brand new tbh

jpsaxo 18th September 2007 11:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by willsy (Post 1471486)
Head wise im at a complete mind boggling situation now-

Firstly- i havnt got the foggiest idea what im doing, id like to get some cams in and upgrade the followers whilst the engines in pieces. Aside from that i havnt got a clue what to do, is there anything i need to do due to the initial high milage? should it be cleaned up much internally, if so how? and how much?

Bottom end probably not alot needs doing, i dont need to right now as Bodies would be quite a while off, prob not worth me changing the pistons...or is it? save taking the engine apart again at a later date?

Fook knows???

Purchase wise dependant on cams or upgrading other engine internals the only other major parts i need is a Gearbox and ECU (possibly a KMS)

Other things that will need sorting is:

Timing... Josh are you able to do that or know anyone that can set it up properly for me?

Putting back together... I havnt got a clue where anything goes lmao. Ive taken pics of everything before and after ive took it off so hopefully ill figure it out, its the mass of nuts and bolts that seem to appear that will stump me.

Nightmare

Its a good job you have those pictures now isnt it mate :)

I think at this point in time a cammed vts would be good enough? Along with zorst, induction kit etc it should make healthy figures anyway.

Baring in mind this, I'd get the head sent off as it is to QEP (as we discussed and when funds allow), include all the seals you've got, the cam's, tell them you want the head skimming, and the valves taken out, reground with the new seals and the cam's putting in and timed up to cat cam spec.

While thats being done you can get the rest of the engine cleaned up - when the head returns its a prety simple job from there.

Firstly put gasket and then head on with the new bolts you have.

Then cam liners and cam covers (which is something else that will need sending off to be painted, or just polish them?), then inlet on with ported TB.

From this point engines nearly ready to go into the car.

If you want it in for March you will want the engine complete before christmas

From this point wack the old engine out and get working on the front of the chassis, considering its age and milage its done it may take some time to sort - Mine took around 1 months hard work to clean up the engine bay.

So if the engine's done by christmas, when the engine bay is sorted thats takes us to around the beginning of FEB. You now have 3 weeks to install the engine, rad, kms / ecu, zorst and all the loom, ancilleries etc. Then allow at least a week to get it all running ok, sort any problems and get it mapped.

I've chatted on far too much, and probs missed a few things out, but that should give you a good guide to follow :)

willsy 19th September 2007 23:57

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Originally Posted by jpsaxo (Post 1472084)
I think at this point in time a cammed vts would be good enough? Along with zorst, induction kit etc it should make healthy figures anyway.

Baring in mind this, I'd get the head sent off as it is to QEP (as we discussed and when funds allow), include all the seals you've got, the cam's, tell them you want the head skimming, and the valves taken out, reground with the new seals and the cam's putting in and timed up to cat cam spec.

Brilliant :) Knew i could rely on you for some good solid info/advice.

Any idea what a ballpark figure could/should be for having that done to the head?

Keep meaning to call QEP and ask but ive been busy lately with work and job applications during 'normal' hours. Feel kinda embarassed still on my lack of engine knowledge lol.

Any chance i could be mega cheeky and see if you can get in touch and get a quote from them? :)

rushy_23 20th September 2007 08:31

Nice to see your still working on the engine Matt. Think you have made the right
move to overlook each part and not rushs into getting it fitted. I have been
emailing Pug1off regarding stuff, but QEP is a lot nearer myself so that and
plus the great results Ive heard from them makes that the better option imo
(sorry Pug1off).

Should be a lot of fun when its all done though, so keep us updated.

vtr_driver 20th September 2007 08:49

Its threads like this and JPsaxo's that are real inspiration for me!! I will get my car to a decent standard one day!!

Keep up the good work

willsy 25th September 2007 23:21

There may be a rather large update to come to this soon :)

MaRiO89 25th September 2007 23:27

I'm in the same boat with my engine..

Do i need to mess about with new parts in the bottom end etc etc..

I would be happy with a really nice spec head tbh!

Keep up the work though dude, it can get ontop of you at times as i have found..

willsy 25th September 2007 23:36

Yeah it is mayhem. Had plenty of advice from a fair few people and the general opinion seems to be that the bottom end doesnt require any adjustments/change of old parts. Pistons dont need changging unless i go for bigger valved head and throttle bodies neither of which i plan to have for quite a while. Throttle bodies maybe, but not in the near future.

I send an email to QEP with regards to headwork and they sent the following back which im 90% certain ill have booked in by the end of the week perhaps if possible. Then i can start to put everything back together :)

The only parts i then need to buy is a Gearbox and ECU with mapping to follow :)


Reply from QEP:

Hi,

If you want to run 1321708 and std pistons then you are limited to std valve sizes.

We can gasflow your head for £500 + Vat and this includes:

Inlet & Exhaust ports modified for better flow
New valve guides
Seats Cut
Valves Ground
Cleaned
Skimmed Assembled.

A new set of hydraulic followers is £150 + Vat.

The total for the headwork, Cams and followers is £939.13 + Vat = £1103.47

Regards

MaRiO89 25th September 2007 23:42

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Originally Posted by willsy (Post 1491379)
Yeah it is mayhem. Had plenty of advice from a fair few people and the general opinion seems to be that the bottom end doesnt require any adjustments/change of old parts. Pistons dont need changging unless i go for bigger valved head and throttle bodies neither of which i plan to have for quite a while. Throttle bodies maybe, but not in the near future.

I send an email to QEP with regards to headwork and they sent the following back which im 90% certain ill have booked in by the end of the week perhaps if possible. Then i can start to put everything back together :)

The only parts i then need to buy is a Gearbox and ECU with mapping to follow :)


Reply from QEP:

Hi,

If you want to run 1321708 and std pistons then you are limited to std valve sizes.

We can gasflow your head for £500 + Vat and this includes:

Inlet & Exhaust ports modified for better flow
New valve guides
Seats Cut
Valves Ground
Cleaned
Skimmed Assembled.

A new set of hydraulic followers is £150 + Vat.

The total for the headwork, Cams and followers is £939.13 + Vat = £1103.47

Regards

Yeah i think i will leave my bottom end..I have a choice between 2..My current one which is on 117k, but i know this has been serviced and is sound, or do i use the other one with 82k on that i have no idea what its like..

Dont wana start it up and hear it knocking or anything, but then do i want to dismantle it to check? (not really :P)..

Tough old decisions tbh!

Your headwork sounds kool though..:d

jpsaxo 25th September 2007 23:43

As per text, ask them for a price on

New valve guides
Seats Cut
Valves Ground
Cleaned
Skimmed Assembled.

A new set of hydraulic followers is £150 + Vat.

For just cam's your head wont need to be flowed IMO - or the gains wont be worth the £500 IMO again. and at an extra £500 thats alot towards Tb's ;) Or you could look at it paying for the whole of your mapping

jpsaxo 25th September 2007 23:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by James_Bristol (Post 1491399)
Yeah i think i will leave my bottom end..I have a choice between 2..My current one which is on 117k, but i know this has been serviced and is sound, or do i use the other one with 82k on that i have no idea what its like..

Dont wana start it up and hear it knocking or anything, but then do i want to dismantle it to check? (not really :P)..

Tough old decisions tbh!

Your headwork sounds kool though..:d

James - use your existing bottom end IMO, if its been serviced well chances are it will be in near as damn it the same condition as the 82k engine - IF thats been well maintained - so not worth risking it mate.

MaRiO89 25th September 2007 23:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpsaxo (Post 1491416)
James - use your existing bottom end IMO, if its been serviced well chances are it will be in near as damn it the same condition as the 82k engine - IF thats been well maintained - so not worth risking it mate.

Yeah, thats what i was thinking..also makes life easier too! Its defo been serviced well, fully synthetic every 5-10k since i have had it, upto that point was serviced by Citroen..:d

Sorry to talk about my engine in your thread Willsy, get these posts deleted if you like..:hug:

willsy 25th September 2007 23:58

Posts are fine James :) dont mind atall as long as its constructive engine based talk :)

Josh ill reply to Matt's email now then, hes replied within 24 hours so hopefully have a 2nd price with what you suggested by tomorrow.

Ill keep you both informed :) I know Rushy is wanting to do pretty much identical changes within his engine too so its all very useful :)

MaRiO89 26th September 2007 00:02

Ok, cheers for being understanding..:d

jpsaxo 26th September 2007 00:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by willsy (Post 1491445)
Posts are fine James :) dont mind atall as long as its constructive engine based talk :)

Josh ill reply to Matt's email now then, hes replied within 24 hours so hopefully have a 2nd price with what you suggested by tomorrow.

Ill keep you both informed :) I know Rushy is wanting to do pretty much identical changes within his engine too so its all very useful :)

Good stuff mate,

willsy 26th September 2007 00:09

Email sent lads, ill be checking my inbox eagerly at variour points during tomorrow :) Its getting a bit exciting now

willsy 26th September 2007 00:21

Josh,

Been looking at my parts list tonight and reviewing some of the benefits and needs of some items.

Baffled sump: how beneficial is this to have? is it worth the approx £200 cost of getting one considering the cars use?

Larger injectors? How strongly do you advice these?

Just looking at some of the more pricey items and wondering whether or not theyre needed? or whether theyre more of a hardcore extra?


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