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jsdvtr 4th December 2011 11:41

Would this be adequate enough for a paddle clutch? Wont bend or anything unlike the MA fork levers.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CLUTCH-FOR...item4cf7061188

I know its the same one listed as in the first post of the thread but wasnt sure if would need something stronger.

Also has anyone got any measurements of BE mounts for saxo/106 as wanting to make my own but cant until i have these as i would like to have everything ready before i start the conversion.

ryanmt 4th December 2011 13:35

Thats the cable one so its slighty longer. If you are worried about strength reinforce it. Im gonna weld some bits to mine to strengthen it up

tweeqd 4th December 2011 14:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsdvtr (Post 5689343)
Would this be adequate enough for a paddle clutch? Wont bend or anything unlike the MA fork levers.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CLUTCH-FOR...item4cf7061188

I know its the same one listed as in the first post of the thread but wasnt sure if would need something stronger.

Also has anyone got any measurements of BE mounts for saxo/106 as wanting to make my own but cant until i have these as i would like to have everything ready before i start the conversion.

a genuine one isnt much more than that, ive got the genuine version of that and run a twin plate AP lug drive and its fine

AlexFocusST 4th December 2011 16:20

[QUOTE=Ax_beefy;5624386]Someone correct me if I'm wrong but they are more suited to higher powered conversions as they are stronger QUOTE]

Can the fabricated driveshafts take the strain for track use???

BR Alex

jsdvtr 5th December 2011 06:25

How much are the genuine ones? Also is any box from a BE3/4 car ok? Just thinking ratio wise for boost.

Steffrallye 5th December 2011 10:17

No, you need a BE box from a Car with a TU engine, normally its a 1.6 8v.

NismoSteve 7th December 2011 07:45

So my xsara VTR 8 valve was a BE box then? I've just replace that with a HDI box.

jsdvtr 8th December 2011 17:40

Also another quick question, the hubs have to be from a 1.8+ BE car, does it matter about the shafts? So for instance can they be from a 1.6 8v off same car as the gearbox?

jsdvtr 25th January 2012 20:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by evensteven (Post 5075476)
I have also spent the time to find a suitable... manual adjustment cable that is a direct fit without any modifications to the bulkhead mounting/pedal attachment point etc. Also the picasso cable is very long and looks untidy in the day, this is the perfect length.

part number firstline part number: FKC 1078

;)

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Peugeot-30...item3cbfedcb77

Is this the correct one? Same part number just didnt want to order and be wrong.

I know some people say it needs to have a metal end, guess thats because its stronger but im sure the cable how it comes will be just fine.

tweeqd 25th January 2012 20:47

thats the one ive got, its a touch long so will need spacing but ive not had a problem with it

gazza808 17th February 2012 11:08

any gen on about using a be4 conversion on standard ecu?

cause doesn't it affect the placement of the crank sensor?

just wanna get the be4 up and running and tested before i put some power through it (read as massive supply of nitrous)

tweeqd 18th February 2012 20:20

the BE4 uses the standard TU/MA crank sensor

gazza808 19th February 2012 10:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by tweeqd (Post 5819384)
the BE4 uses the standard TU/MA crank sensor


I know this, but I'd read it's in a different position slightly,
Which in turn when running standalone you need to adjust the ignition angle? Had caused peoples engines to det?

Might be a complete lie lol.
Just wanted to make sure.

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tweeqd 19th February 2012 22:14

the sensor mounts to the block not the gearbox so changing the gearbox cant alter the position of the sensor

gazza808 20th February 2012 06:55

BE4 conversion
 
Ahh this is very true,
Dunno what at speed and other people are spouting on about, cheers tweeqd!

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tweeqd 20th February 2012 22:09

ive heard before that Atspeed say its different but i ran a standard 16v with standard ecu with my BE4 and now use the same sensor with my DTA and have it running at the standard settings

i also took the sensor off my car and fitted it straight on to a customers 106 quicksilver when his failed

perhaps they like charging for stuff not needed ;)

gazza808 20th February 2012 22:45

This is music to my ears lol!

Cheers buddy!

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gazza808 6th March 2012 12:29

so what cps bracket are you using here?

compared to this?


this bit is confusing me.

tweeqd 6th March 2012 19:25

the one i have is the standard late type 2 pin CPS

the lower one is an early sheilded type (with a bit of modifying you can get the early type to fit in the late holder)
not sure why they have cut the box to run that type of bracket as the standard one works spot on

i have run my DTA on standard CPS setings and a standard 16v ecu on the same late type plug


also in that pic it looks like someone has fitted the clutch cable back to front

gazza808 6th March 2012 20:41

Hmmm I'm sure it works fine, I'll have too see, just it's in a fairly different place about 5degrees at a guess, moves it from below that mounting bolt to above it.
Assume I need a picasso cps bracket.

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e8_pqck 8th June 2012 18:53

Been pricing this up:

Picasso 1.6 8v gearbox with O/S shaft and bearing carrier and speedo sensor and hubs (from breaker): £180
Hydraulic cable conversion parts: £35
Cable: £15
306 1.8 16v N/S driveshaft (from breaker): £25-35
Wheel bearings £40

Rear mount from Garry.M on Rallye Register: £70 delivered
Torque link for rear mount: £10
Gearbox mount for 106 (spoox): £118.13 delivered

maching for hubs and 3mm shim: £50 (quoted)
shorten O/S driveshaft to 330mm: £50 (quoted)

Quaife (GMC): £570 delivered
BE Satch shift: £301.70

Total: £1475

Seems the BE quaife bolts straight in so no need to open gearbox which is a result

Source own mounts and second hand BE quaife means it can be had for a lot less.

welshpug 8th June 2012 18:58

where did you get the £250 price on the BE satchshift? they're £305 on KAMracing?

blackie_2k5 8th June 2012 18:59

Probably from Colin direct

dannygti 8th June 2012 19:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackie_2k5 (Post 5982335)
Probably from Colin direct

Still £300, I should know I only bought one the other day.

blackie_2k5 8th June 2012 19:05

I've never looked into it, did think it seemed cheap :p

Just a guess :y:

e8_pqck 8th June 2012 19:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by welshpug (Post 5982331)
where did you get the £250 price on the BE satchshift? they're £305 on KAMracing?

£250 from ATSpeed:

http://atspeedracing.co.uk/products/...roducts_id=287

£8.50 delivery.

e8_pqck 8th June 2012 19:25

Usually its more expensive from the manufacturer so they dont out price their supplier network!

dannygti 8th June 2012 19:27

Don't you pay VAT?

blackie_2k5 8th June 2012 19:29

That price should be vat inclusive or he's breaking the law.. As John at gmc will tell you lol, remember reading about him being done for it lol

If you sell mainly to public all site prices should be shown with vat on, that's why likes of kam show both prices :y:

e8_pqck 8th June 2012 19:31

[quote=blackie_2k5;5982406]That price should be vat inclusive or he's breaking the law.. As John at gmc, remember reading about him being done for it lol

Edit - thought you meant Quaife!

Yes, it is very misleading on the ATSpeed website. At least John states that VAT isnt included hence why i followed the purchase through - doesn;t say so on the ATSpeed site though. makes me not want to buy from them on principal.

blackie_2k5 8th June 2012 19:32

That settles it then :)

e8_pqck 8th June 2012 19:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannygti (Post 5982401)
Don't you pay VAT?

Ah yes, there is VAT on the Satch, so thats £301.70 + 8.50 shipping.

Updated price. anyone else with updates/bargains to be had? :-)

I've actually seen picasso boxes for £50

tweeqd 8th June 2012 20:16

the top mount in the atspeed kit wont fit an ax so yuor paying alot of money for just the lower mount

gazza808 8th July 2012 18:03

Picked up my be4 box yesterday,

Having a look round it ready to make my mounts,
Does every one ditch the diff brace on the rear?
It bolts to where every one mounts there lower mount?

Because it bolts to literally nothing but the diff housing stiffening it I guess.

jsdvtr 10th August 2012 23:10

Is this the correct release bearing needed for the BE box?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Xsara-Pica...a#ht_746wt_689

tweeqd 10th August 2012 23:17

yes it is but there only about £24 from pug for a genuine one

jsdvtr 10th August 2012 23:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by tweeqd (Post 6056136)
yes it is but there only about £24 from pug for a genuine one

Do you the code as they always want a reg number don't they.

Know what the make they are also? Valeo?

This one seems good-
http://www.micksgarage.com/transmiss...rds/1.6/15472/

joe333 11th August 2012 00:24

Sorry may sound stupid but . . .

What is the actual benefit from a be4 box/conversion?

welshpug 11th August 2012 10:59

it wont shit itself quite as readily as an MA will if you have decent amount of torque from a tuned engine, or even on a stock engine with sticky tyres and half decent suspension and the right shock loadings.

atspeedracing 13th August 2012 08:49

hi

says on home page of our shop that all prices are plus vat, and on our main website that all prices are plus vat.

the vat is added throughout checkout procedure before completion.


quote from homepage

"Welcome to the Atspeed Racing Online Shop.

Here you will find a range of high quality products from world leading manufacturers, if you are unsure of your exact requirements, fitments, or what you need is not listed, please contact us.

Notice: Due to the specialist nature of many of the parts we sell, they are often made to order by the manufacturer, or custom made entirely, so delivery times greatly vary - please be aware of this before purchasing, if in doubt please contact us via phone or email before purchasing your products. Thankyou.

*Our guarantee - We will only sell products that we would be prepared to use on our own cars*

All prices are subject to VAT @ 20%

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