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-   -   SaxoMuffin's Awesome Throttle Bodied 8V.....Bodies and Suspension Fitted and Collected..But There's Problem's...19/05 (http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=253013)

Tufty 30th March 2011 19:49
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Originally Posted by sje00 (Post 5219653)

I'm only at the limit of my camshaft choice thats all.;)

yes a 16v will make 200bhp+. How many of them acheive it?? not many Most stumble at 195 if there lucky.:oops:
Speaking to Sandy 180bhp from an 8v is acheiveable! maybe more.:P So plenty more to be gained. Also the 8v lump is surprisingly lighter than the 16v lump.

Much bigger/more powerful machinery have become very embarrased when they realised i was still next to them smiling when they thought i had long dissapeared. Only silly speeds do they leave me.



Rich keep dreaming,
Quite a few achieve 200bhp... quite easy... but were talking on both parties of the car not being street legal.

180bhp in a vtr lump, would mean regular rebuilds, a bore very close to the edge, and again not street legal.

Im going to be putting ph5 cams in my car once i have my daily drive, and with some nice big jp4 valves and a fully rebuilt head, i will be looking at the 200bhp mark.
for me, its about power to weight, and how much torque you have anyway.

when you going to ace cafe next? Im thinking of going next week if you and Alex fancy popping up again?

Jason

hard_corejoeboy 30th March 2011 20:04
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Originally Posted by sje00 (Post 5219653)
Do all Vtr's have the same long box?? didnt think they did.



I've played with cammed Gti's and Cammed and bodied Gti's and the cammed and Bodied Gti i sat dead next to smiling at the guy (LeeDiabloGti) all the way up to twice legal speeds and he didn't pull an inch!! (and i was only running 145bhpish then due to faulty TPS overfuelling.)



??
Thats just after i come on cam and finish at 8300rpm.




I'm only at the limit of my camshaft choice thats all.;)

yes a 16v will make 200bhp+. How many of them acheive it?? not many Most stumble at 195 if there lucky.:oops:
Speaking to Sandy 180bhp from an 8v is acheiveable! maybe more.:P So plenty more to be gained. Also the 8v lump is surprisingly lighter than the 16v lump.

Much bigger/more powerful machinery have become very embarrased when they realised i was still next to them smiling when they thought i had long dissapeared. Only silly speeds do they leave me.



Rich keep dreaming,
All standard vtr's do...its easy to whack a vts engine in for around £400 all in these days so cost/power its more effective.

Its like saying a V6 is going to be better than a V12..its not....fact

This has been done to the death so all i'll say is congrats for being different.

:y:

sje00 30th March 2011 20:14
Dropping a 16v in has been done to death, that is true.

See you all at FCS i hope.

SaxoMuffin 30th March 2011 20:16
Again I don't want to be the cause of arguments but there are way to many factors...

The main factor for me being this is an ideal car teaching myself good track driving...
And if you get a 180bhp saxo on track and can't drive for shit whereas I've got this but can drive it well then theres your answer...

It's just a pure 'fun' car to drive I had a smile on my face all weekend when i took an astra vxr in a pretty much standard 8v around brands lol..

And at the end of the day it's all about fun on track!

Sleight Update

Had a call from Colin with some good and some bad news...

Good news... It's started :panic:

Bad News: The throttle position sensor is naff, and as the bodies were also bought through Colin Satchell I need to find exactly what model GSXR they are from.

Sonny - you might be able to help with this as Colin said you had to replace your's aswell and I was wondering if you had any pics to see if it's the same as mine..?

Richy_Rich 30th March 2011 20:39
oooh that bits expensive!!

He bought his from suzuki, and colin normally works with k1 or k2 gsxr1000 bodies!

sje00 30th March 2011 20:43
oooh mate. Thats was not easy. I had to source one from Germany in the end via a local Bike shop. Cost £136.00!!!!!

Theres a few different types with different mounting points.

You need to know whether you got :

K1, K2, K3, K4 etc etc and what bike they came off i.e. 750, 1000, 1300 Hayabusa.

Also the 750 and 1000 bodies were the same K1, K2. I think the 1300 Hayabusa used the same TPS for a bit too. I think i bought a 1300 Hayabusa TPS in the end.

also if you have a picture of the TPS itself that would be good too. I think i have a Technical drawing of the one i have. I'll dig it out for ya.

SaxoMuffin 30th March 2011 20:55
Bollocks!!

I've sent Colin an email as i don't have a contact number so that's not really going to speed things up...and I only have the useless pics in this thread which are crap!

I know what it looks like though so if you can find that diagram that would be awesome!

sje00 30th March 2011 20:59
Give us ya email address buddy.

SaxoMuffin 30th March 2011 21:00
wjackson@sol-tec.com

Cheers man really appreciate it!

sje00 30th March 2011 21:39
Sent.

Make sure you find your exact one as i dont know whether they are interchangeable.

Harv 30th March 2011 21:45
Looks really good mate, can't wait to see this on the road now.

Disagree with the people saying 16v is much better. You can get decent power from the 8v engine an its always good to be different. I've seen 170-180bhp 8v's used in road rallies and they don't need rebuilding or anything, just the same as any other performance car such as a 16v on bodies. Ok, it did have a quaife gearset but oh my it shifted, more so than a 170bhp saxo on bodies I've been in - and even that had an s1 box.

Don't underestimate an 8v is all I'm saying as they can surprise quite a few people!

hard_corejoeboy 30th March 2011 22:05
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Originally Posted by sje00 (Post 5219756)
Dropping a 16v in has been done to death, that is true.

See you all at FCS i hope.
Nah mate i'd rather do a trackday or another ring trip than waste my money on that shite lol

sje00 30th March 2011 22:11
i plan on a Ring trip before i get rid of the Rallye.
Hoping for an RS end of the year.

hard_corejoeboy 30th March 2011 22:18
Sod that would rather a TB'd, cammed rallye over an RS any day of the year. FRS only has 203 bhp/tonne.

Soz saxomuffin :S

moxy89 30th March 2011 22:39
yeah but its has billies !!!

sje00 30th March 2011 22:40
Well it would be a mk1 and a remap would soon sort that out.
RS is a far better car all round.

SaxoMuffin - Let me know if you got the email. i hope its got everything ya need, if not just ask away and i'll try my best :)

SaxoMuffin 31st March 2011 19:35
AHHHHH panic over....the guys over at atspeed have managed to purchase a new TPS...
Although my wallet will be even lighter now..

Now awaiting delivery :y:

sje00 5th April 2011 12:03
I see the car down Atspeed yesterday. Looking pretty good mate, hidden round back with the turbo Gti's lol

SaxoMuffin 5th April 2011 12:47
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Originally Posted by sje00 (Post 5231219)
I see the car down Atspeed yesterday. Looking pretty good mate, hidden round back with the turbo Gti's lol
Cheers mate :y: Can't wait to finish it and drive it! :panic:

Wayne 5th April 2011 12:49
Whens the car ready Wes? hopefully soon for you;) i think the turbo gti's are giving wes's car the evils:P;)


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