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Ross 15th June 2011 17:07
Not to mention there's at least two sets of full BE converted shafts for sale right now that I know of for around the £500 mark. Mine and Titchs... ;)

Tufty 15th June 2011 17:31
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Originally Posted by OllieVTS (Post 5378720)
Ive only got 300 in mind as that figure gets pinged about alot. Unfortunaty i dont have the time (or knowledge) to compare turbo's. Like i say i havnt been in any other pug turbo's so have no idea of how my turbo compares to others in the real world. Is the 2871rs bad enough that i need to swap it?

I think i'll get it mapped and set up. Then see how it feels.

All this means is that you deffo need to take me out in yours to compare :p
I have been out in a 2871rs and there is a bit of lag...

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Originally Posted by maddison_vts (Post 5378937)
bugger, I was hoping you'd have ran the ma for a while! I want to get a bit more power from mine but I don't know when would be best to call it a day, 200 atw proved to be very reliable and I'm slightly nervous about going for more power because of the extra expense it could incur.
The be conversion has always been something I've tried to avoid because I never wanted the expense of it, is it really worth it? Have you had any transmission related problems with yours?
Another thing putting me off the be is how much i spent on a friggin ma box by putting the quaife diff in it!
Paxo89 (dan) is running 222 atw on his turbo charged saxo, no problems as of yet, but to be honest, does not smash through gears on full boost and i do think the wheels spinning is helping him alot. Semi slicks on a warm day and there could be some problems!

maddison_vts 15th June 2011 17:33
I imagine if it has an open diff it won't have too many issues as once it wheelspins it won't try to regain grip!

Tufty 15th June 2011 17:37
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Originally Posted by maddison_vts (Post 5379052)
I imagine if it has an open diff it won't have too many issues as once it wheelspins it won't try to regain grip!
Thats right mate, just let it spin or change tbh. Its a shame in some ways that not all full power is able to go through and be transfered, however, i guess at the minute its saving him hassle! Also has a spare VTR box just incase!

One of his top priorities is to get the BE conversion kit from somewhere with a diff.

Ross 15th June 2011 18:26
Bingo to the above really guys. Wheelspin will actually help prolong the life of the box in some ways - as you've highlighted if it doesnt spin but you still try an put the power through it, something else has to give way - normally 3rd gear ;)

Titch always said it was a mixed blessing going BE - he said the MA was the most fun thing he'd ever driven but at the cost of reliability. The BE is less raw but more reliable. From what I remember of brents (non diff, MA) that thing made a bee-line for the hedge everytime it saw a wiff of boost :D

simmo 15th June 2011 18:33
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Originally Posted by RossDagley (Post 5379153)
Bingo to the above really guys. Wheelspin will actually help prolong the life of the box in some ways - as you've highlighted if it doesnt spin but you still try an put the power through it, something else has to give way - normally 3rd gear ;)

Titch always said it was a mixed blessing going BE - he said the MA was the most fun thing he'd ever driven but at the cost of reliability. The BE is less raw but more reliable. From what I remember of brents (non diff, MA) that thing made a bee-line for the hedge everytime it saw a wiff of boost :D
Im running MA VTR box with a diff and trs driveshaft......


It still tries!

Arghh all this turbo talks wrecked my head now! Do i persist with the 2871rs or is it worth selling it now while its fresh and going for something else?

Im Going to make a boosted gearbox thread to try keep the box and turbo talk separate.

deesvtsT 15th June 2011 18:36
Check this out on ebay im selling item no 12073761506

dannygti 15th June 2011 18:41
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Originally Posted by deesvtsT (Post 5379172)
Check this out on ebay im selling item no 12073761506
doest work mate

deesvtsT 15th June 2011 18:48
Woops 120737761509

adzvtr 15th June 2011 23:06
maddison, u gunna rebuild the s engine with a bit more mmmpppphhhh, sweet.
im gunna be looking into the be conversion towards the end of the year, maybe we could help each other out.

jsdvtr 19th June 2011 14:10
How come on boosted cars people run header tanks? Is this something is needed?

dannygti 19th June 2011 14:14
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Originally Posted by jsdvtr (Post 5387886)
How come on boosted cars people run header tanks? Is this something is needed?
so you can use a better radiator.. the standard rad has an in built header tank which gets in the way of most applictations..
you will find you will need to move the rad forward to give you enough space. so one option is a diesel rad which uses a header tank.

jsdvtr 19th June 2011 14:21
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Originally Posted by dannygti (Post 5387889)
so you can use a better radiator.. the standard rad has an in built header tank which gets in the way of most applictations..
you will find you will need to move the rad forward to give you enough space. so one option is a diesel rad which uses a header tank.
Ive noticed that the diesel rads are as wide as the normal vtr/s ones.

Was your header tank easily made danny? Want one that would sit on top of drivers arch.

Mathias 19th June 2011 14:23
i have a diesel header tank whish sits on drivers arch ;)

jsdvtr 19th June 2011 14:29
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Originally Posted by Mathias (Post 5387904)
i have a diesel header tank whish sits on drivers arch ;)
Got any pictures? I havent seen a saxo deisel one before so unsure what they are like.

dannygti 19th June 2011 14:29
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Originally Posted by jsdvtr (Post 5387895)
Ive noticed that the diesel rads are as wide as the normal vtr/s ones.

Was your header tank easily made danny? Want one that would sit on top of drivers arch.
i wouldnt say it was easily made but its not too bad. you have to take a few things into consideration but not rocket science. there are plenty of cars you could use one from.

Mathias 19th June 2011 14:31
will get some later for you its from a 105 1.5 diesel, it even mounts on the fittings for your ecu tray so just bolts straight on :)

blackie_2k5 19th June 2011 14:42
seen lots of ppl use aer market renault 5 header tanks as theyre cheap and readily available

Mathias 19th June 2011 14:49
thsi is the one i have http://www.spoox.co.uk/catalog/produ...73ae71c76ad625

pm me if interested

Gareth_R 19th June 2011 16:50
how much?!?!

looks same as the AX Diesel one. Get down a scrapyard!!

Chr15 19th June 2011 20:17
just gonna throw this into the equation and ask if you'd use the turbo cams or not?

whats difference would there be in using standard, turbo or ph3/ph4/708/etc?

as in http://www.kamracing.co.uk/citroen/c...s-1321735.html

Mathias 19th June 2011 21:50
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Originally Posted by Gareth_R (Post 5388154)
how much?!?!

looks same as the AX Diesel one. Get down a scrapyard!!
ax diesel and 106 diesel, got mine from the scrap yard for a tenner, pic was just to show

quikydan 19th June 2011 22:37
Been offered a manifold and downpipe for a t3/t4 turbo, what turbo could you run off this for 1.6 16v.

Should i go for this or get one suited to a t2/25

dannygti 19th June 2011 22:53
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Originally Posted by quikydan (Post 5389134)
Been offered a manifold and downpipe for a t3/t4 turbo, what turbo could you run off this for 1.6 16v.

Should i go for this or get one suited to a t2/25
if you want one that spooled by you will be looking at a gt17 or something..
not many quick spooling turbos that have t3 fitment. t2/25 is what you need

quikydan 19th June 2011 23:01
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Originally Posted by dannygti (Post 5389196)
if you want one that spooled by you will be looking at a gt17 or something..
not many quick spooling turbos that have t3 fitment. t2/25 is what you need
Thanks Danny,

Great help mate.

dannygti 19th June 2011 23:13
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Originally Posted by quikydan (Post 5389223)
Thanks Danny,

Great help mate.

whats your budget for the turbo? there is a great garret turbo that would make for a proper road monster

quikydan 19th June 2011 23:16
i have no budgets, BUT, i don't want to spend stupid money on the entire build so everything isn't going to be 'brand new best possible parts you can get' sorta thing.

Want to achieve 200 - 220 atw, pred ecu, decomp plate.

want to spend sub 4k really.

dannygti 19th June 2011 23:20
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Originally Posted by quikydan (Post 5389266)
i have no budgets, BUT, i don't want to spend stupid money on the entire build so everything isn't going to be 'brand new best possible parts you can get' sorta thing.

Want to achieve 200 - 220 atw, pred ecu, decomp plate.

want to spend sub 4k really.
dnt think anyone on this scene has used this turbo, but it looks a great turbo for fast road use. small, potent and would spool as quick as youd ever want

http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbob...9_452214_3.htm

quikydan 19th June 2011 23:22
what turbo is that?

dannygti 19th June 2011 23:27
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Originally Posted by quikydan (Post 5389288)
what turbo is that?
sorry pal, edited my previous post with a link

quikydan 19th June 2011 23:34
Im not really clued up on this tbh but i noticed its oil cooling which is easier than water too.

Does the graph show that its at peak power at quite high psi or am i reading it wrong?

I take it something like this would be around 500 - 700 new?

Fancy making me a manifold? :P

dannygti 19th June 2011 23:39
Quote:
Originally Posted by quikydan (Post 5389316)
Im not really clued up on this tbh but i noticed its oil cooling which is easier than water too.

Does the graph show that its at peak power at quite high psi or am i reading it wrong?

I take it something like this would be around 500 - 700 new?

Fancy making me a manifold? :P
if your looking at the compressor map then you have to take into consideration atmospheric pressure is 1 bar already. so if you look at 2.5bar on the map then its really 1.5bar of turbo pressure.quite difficult to understand.

yes, imagine it would be around that cost.

unfortunatly mate i no longer have the resources :(

quikydan 19th June 2011 23:45
Really in two minds what to do, been looking at the dp engineering kits for around 1600 with the gt25 turbo but then im not sure on a budget alternative that i could run.

Theres the cituing (miltek) mani and downpipe for 455 but what turbo could i bolt on that and then i have the problem of getting oil feed from sump which comes in the dp kit already.

Ahhh, that's a shame about the manifold. Know anyone else that can make a home brew one up (reasonable quality) thats more budget than the cituning?

Sophia_Bush 19th June 2011 23:53
oil feed snd returtn is easy just go to local hydraulics place got both for 20 when i did mine

the cituning kit will take a gt17 found on saab 9-3 and 9-5s or a t25 off a saab 9000, but can get td04 in cituning fittment to plenty of choice

quikydan 19th June 2011 23:57
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Originally Posted by Sophia_Bush (Post 5389350)
oil feed snd returtn is easy just go to local hydraulics place got both for 20 when i did mine

the cituning kit will take a gt17 found on saab 9-3 and 9-5s or a t25 off a saab 9000, but can get td04 in cituning fittment to plenty of choice
That's good to know. Thanks.

I might just buy the cituning manifold and down pipe. It sounds like it'll be good enough for what i need. Is the gt17 not too small for 200 - 220 atw? can't see the specs on the garrett website.

Sophia_Bush 20th June 2011 00:06
td04 its what mathias has his is around 200 speak to deekb for link to turbo as he found a place selling new good price

marco999 20th June 2011 00:20
turbo advise
 
im looking to put a turbo on my 01 vtr and was told a kit of a starlet turbo can be fitted on is this true? thanks

maddison_vts 20th June 2011 03:13
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Originally Posted by quikydan (Post 5389359)
That's good to know. Thanks.

I might just buy the cituning manifold and down pipe. It sounds like it'll be good enough for what i need. Is the gt17 not too small for 200 - 220 atw? can't see the specs on the garrett website.
i use a gt17, made 200 atw (230atf) at 9.5 psi without a decomp plate and i ran more boost with no issues. turbo begins to spool at 1,500 and holds to 7,000. it gives a very smooth power delivery making it very useable and capable of putting the power down very very well.

shameless plug - i am contemplating advertising all my turbo bits and management for sale. pm me if interesed.

Sophia_Bush 20th June 2011 09:48
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Originally Posted by maddison_vts (Post 5389474)
i use a gt17, made 200 atw (230atf) at 9.5 psi without a decomp plate and i ran more boost with no issues. turbo begins to spool at 1,500 and holds to 7,000. it gives a very smooth power delivery making it very useable and capable of putting the power down very very well.

shameless plug - i am contemplating advertising all my turbo bits and management for sale. pm me if interesed.
if you are pm me with full list of bits and price i've got a guy wanting to 16v turbo

quikydan 20th June 2011 09:51
lool i just pmed as well :P


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